Tracking Bucks, Hunting Waterfowl: A Season of Outdoor Pursuits

Speaker 2: 0:21

Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast presented by Boon Nox Hunting. I'm your host, mike Nitro.

Speaker 1: 0:27

I'm Peyton Smith.

Speaker 3: 0:30

I'm Justin Devlin.

Speaker 2: 0:32

I'm manager for Sheridan. It's been quite some time, so the boys I guess forgot which order they're going in. But welcome back Andrew and Justin. It's been quite some time, jesse, you haven't been on since you killed your buck.

Speaker 3: 0:49

Yeah, he did that or won one after that. I think he won after that with Mike.

Speaker 2: 0:54

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're on there with Mike and then Andrew since before Justin killed his buck. So why don't we hear from Andrew and talk about you? Know, andrew? Give us an update of how your season has gone so far.

Speaker 1: 1:08

Oh just PG.

Speaker 4: 1:13

I found some really big bucks, lost some really big bucks, found some more big bucks, awesome big bucks. And that's just kind of how it's been since October. So it's just been up and down, finding them, losing them, finding them, losing them, finding them at the wrong time. It's kind of, you know, end of the rut, pattern change. It's just been up and down, but we're we're still grinding. I mean kind of going into my favorite time of the year now, so we're hoping for it.

Speaker 2: 1:49

Yeah, no, definitely. So what's the buck you after right now?

Speaker 4: 1:56

Well, I guess the one that I'm really after right now hasn't been on camera in like two weeks, maybe longer. Honestly, he's. We named him Brutus. Well, justin, actually named him Brutus Brutus and another buck called Lucifer.

Speaker 3: 2:15

And not knowing that Brutus was named the same as Mike's buck. At the same time, I just thought it was a good name. It fits the description.

Speaker 4: 2:23

Yeah, he's. I mean they're like literally polar opposites. They're probably pretty close in inches but they're both like polar opposite deer ones, you know, like a big, tall, like like a pretty boy, like if you had to imagine like a pretty boy, like that's what he is. He's just a big, tall, clean, wide 10 with big, tall tines and, you know, big, big brain. And then Brutus is like this old beta, one eyed, blind giant body, one of the bigger bodies I've seen in Jersey. I think he's a clean nine, I'm not mistaken, or banged up nine. He's like he's got a broke, he's broken off brow time. Just a fighter, just a beat up, scarred up old deer that's super wide. I mean he's got to be pushing like 23 wide, 22 wide, super wide deer. And he's like the polar opposite of the other one. But they're both pretty close in inches.

Speaker 4: 3:32

They haven't been around in a while. I'm assuming maybe a little bit of a change with the rut ending and I think I just got on them a little bit late. And then I got another one that I actually just found out of spot. I kind of just wanted to go to a new area, go look around and I found another. He's a, he's a clean eight, just a big main frame, eight pointer, tall brows, big frame, kind of kind of like a tall frame. He's probably I don't know maybe high 130s, low 140, maybe ish deer.

Speaker 4: 4:08

And that's kind of what I'm doing. I'm just kind of chucking along. I mean I'm seeing a ton of deer. It's just trying to find the right one, and that's anyone that knows me. That's, that's what I'm always doing. I'm just looking for the right one. So I mean it's frustrating, a lot of conversations with people, a lot of frustrating conversations. But I mean it'll get there, it'll be there. It's just trying to weave through everything else and and if I eat tag soup, then I eat tag soup. That is what it is. But you know I I'm reminded every day by Justin to not to not. So it's tough to not to not shoot that, dink you? A forecourt that comes through sometimes. You know I, you know I'm not going to settle, so we're gonna, we're gonna stick it out and see what ended up happening. There's more to all this if we all get into it. I mean that's just kind of a general statement but a lot, a lot of new scouting things.

Speaker 4: 5:09

I've been doing a lot of new areas. I've been looking into that. I don't like topography type areas that I don't normally focus on and finding good deer in them. So if we get into that, then you know I'll go into a little bit more depth about it.

Speaker 2: 5:23

Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. You know it's something that it's a long season and it's a grind and you know it's not done until we get there to the very end. So you, we got some time to to get through it and everything like that.

Speaker 4: 5:37

Oddly enough, I find a lot of pleasure in finding deer. You know, kind of going to a new spot, reading the sign and like especially spot, like areas that I never walked on or like topography that I'm not used to, looking for deer and you know, I find the deer sign. I was actually on the phone with Justin while we were scouting a spot. He wanted the duck hunt, I wanted to scout for deer and so we were just on the phone the entire time and he's shooting ducks and I was finding like three foot tall scray rubs on the trees and it was great. Yeah, so just a whole lot of scouting at the moment, just trying to get ready for this winter pattern coming in.

Speaker 2: 6:18

Yeah, I think you know, finding deer is a whole other new, not challenge, but it's a. It's an accomplishment. It's the first accomplishment and it's first like all right, that's a win already. So now the the second part the hardest part is is killing him. But like you take pride, especially in new areas and stuff like that, like you're taking pride and everything like that with, with what you're finding and the fact that you found the buck, and then you go from there and you know it's, you're finding where he's living, where he's, like you like to say, where he's daylighting every day. That's one tree that he's passing every day. You know it's. That's a whole accomplishment on its own and you know it's, it's a win in in your book and it is fun like man.

Speaker 2: 7:07

I did it for the first time this year and let me tell you it was a. It was a hell of a time. We talked on the phone a little bit and it's like you're like I'm finally glad that someone else is going through the same thing that I'm going through, just chasing, just like you know, a specific deer and going crazy. And you're, you're constantly moving and moving and moving and moving and it was, um, it made it really fun, like I had a blast, and I could see why you get so caught up on it and so obsessed with it because, like, it's a lot of work but it's extremely satisfying when you do, when he does pop up on camera and it's like right, I just accomplished for the first part, you know.

Speaker 4: 7:45

I think that's why I like I find a lot of pride. I feel a lot of pride in my, my deer scouting. I find a lot of joy, like I'm like a kidney candy store man. When I go out and I go to a new area and I put out a camera, like I can't wait. Like today I put out a camera in a new spot and I've been checking it every five minutes. Like I can't wait for for the pictures when I go, you know, go put them in, because a little piece of that is like you know, I'm a pretty I guess you could say I'm pretty picky.

Speaker 4: 8:17

I'm very, uh, goal-oriented. So when I find one, you know there may be five or six that I will harvest. You know bucks that I will harvest, but when I, you know, I try to zone in on one deer. So especially when I like go to a new spot and I'm looking for a certain age class, a certain you know rack size or you know certain body weight, you know, when I'm looking for these those three things, and then it happens like within 24 hours it's a new camera. I just like, yeah, that's it's. I'm not going to say it's as good as shooting a deer, because there's almost nothing that's as good as shooting a deer. But, um, when you find that it's very, uh, it's, it's very nice, it's like a, it's like a win for you. You know, you may not win the world series, but it's definitely a big win and it's fun, it like I don't find bow hunting very fun, and anyone that says it is fun I think they're lying to you they're doing.

Speaker 4: 9:17

I don't think they're actually bow hunting if they find it like just fun. I think it's very frustrating to be a very tough sport and I think that's why you see people that that are serious, serious bow hunters like there's just a different, something different about them. There's just a different aspect. So it's, I don't find it very fun. And when I put out cameras and I go look around and I, you know I get big deer that pop up on cameras within a couple days. That's fun like that. That's the fun part that you know it keeps me, keeps me happy, keeps me going.

Speaker 3: 9:55

So yeah, I agree with that statement it's not fun. It's not. There are moments where you have fun, but the overall experience is not fun.

Speaker 4: 10:07

We had a friend like I mean, I don't think I've talked to you since my friend Ernest came from California, but I don't think I've been on the podcast since then.

Speaker 3: 10:16

No, I don't think so.

Speaker 4: 10:18

The first day he came here, before he even stepped foot in the New Jersey Woods, justin, I think, was on the phone with us and Ernest was sitting there and he was like, yeah, I'm real excited to get out. And you know, he was all pumped up and he was like, but I get it Like both of them are not fun. I'm like man like that's crazy, because there's not many people that like, just come out and say it Like because it sounds wrong. You do it all the time. You do it for so long out of the day or the week or whatever.

Speaker 3: 10:45

Why would you love doing it if it's not fun? Yeah?

Speaker 4: 10:47

But it's a weird thing because it's not like like go play baseball, have fun. It's like a I don't know how to explain it, but when he said that, I was like you know what? Like you hit it right on the head and I said that for years that it's not fun, but we love it so much and just like Justin, I mean there's fun moments, like when everybody goes and shoots deer and like the anticipation of like driving up to go meet them or, like I said, putting on cameras and scouting, or like when Peyton shot is there, like we all went there, Like that was a great time, that was so much fun it's higher, a little high and lower lows, I think it's like it's got steeper peaks and deeper valleys, yep.

Speaker 4: 11:27

And when you're up, man, you're high, but when you fall it's a quick drop. It can happen quick, you know. So it's, and I experienced that with that buck, lucifer. We had him daylight, broad daylight, 10 o'clock in the morning. We jumped in me and Justin jumped in the woods that day to go pursue him, and you know who would have thought that he was 15 yards behind where the camera was bedded down.

Speaker 3: 11:53

Literally so so so rung you through that that day we had a picture at 10 o'clock. We didn't know what we were going to do. We were going to go somewhere to scout, or you know. We were just figuring out our plan and we were arguing over it. I wanted to go to our one property to go knock on doors and get and get some permission to goose hunt on, and he was like, oh well, we could go there, we could scout, scout over here. And I was like I don't know. And then I was working and he was working. So we were like, all right, let's both think about it, and then we'll call each other back and like at lunchtime or whenever and sure enough, I get we hang up the phone. Like five minutes later I get a call and as soon as I saw the number or the you know the name, I knew what it was, because we had said or we could just get a picture of him right now. And then our answers are answers right there, right before we got on the phone. And then when I saw that name, I was like, oh my God. So yeah, you got them.

Speaker 3: 12:47

And then we went up, we bought a blind because we didn't have. We didn't have our saddle. Our saddle gear is at the one property and no stands on this property, no, nothing. So that was our only option really. So we went and bought a blind, because where it's set up like a blind would have made sense and even on the first day you could probably get away with it.

Speaker 3: 13:04

And so Andrew forgot the chairs. So he went back to the truck to go get the chairs and I'm still walking in with the blind. I was going to go start setting it up and stuff, just to save time. And I come over this berm and when I start going down the hill I just he pops up and literally like 15 yards behind the camera, just bedded down behind behind a lay down, and he got up and walk out of our lives, which is not not ideal, but seeing him was absolutely draw dropping. I mean such an incredible animal. But yeah, it was a little bit heartbreaking. And then we still hunted at a great hunt and had a you know probably what a hundred inch, 95 inch, eight point. Come in and eat at the corn, dope him in stuff like that. It was good.

Speaker 4: 13:46

So and then I ended up seeing him in person a couple of days later. He just kind of skirted around me, never came in, you know, in a more clear area, maybe open hardwoods or something, or in a field I maybe would have had a chance at him. He's probably at 65, 70 yards, so I might have had a chance at him, or just a different circumstance maybe. But he went that way. And then you know, I told Justin I was again he's the one, like he's the only one I'm pursuing I took out all my cameras from all my other spots, kind of put it around him. And then that same night that I said that we had the buck Brutus show up who, like I said, he's probably a little bit lesser, an inch, a little bit, not much, but a little bit a little bit.

Speaker 4: 14:36

His frame is just incredible. It's an incredible frame because it is, with it's very, very, very close to two feet wide, like he's just incredibly wide. And I saw him and I was like, okay, maybe, maybe there's not just one deer there that I would take a poke at. But I hunted him. My first sit I passed you could call it a pass because I could have slipped an arrow in but I didn't. But I passed up like a buck we called kickers. He's got a bunch of junk hanging off of his G2s and stuff. And so I passed him up, which was like 130 inch deer and you know, kind of regretted it a little bit, kind of did it. And then, maybe 20 minutes after that, I saw Brutus kind of working in and working out, working in, you know, and he never came in. And then he daylighted another handful of times within a week and then all of a sudden, man, they just they both just kind of fell off the map.

Speaker 4: 15:37

And you know, I actually got some information today about the surrounding properties and no one's ever seen them deer ever. And we were trying to exchange a little bit of information and so I mean I'm sure they're still around somewhere, but I think with the rut coming to an end, there's just some different patterns going on. The woods are changing and you know stuff like that. So I just I hope something come in. But I mean, I got a couple other bucks in the back pocket that I would be more than pleased with, especially with this, how the setup is and, like I said, if we get into that later that would be great. But you know just a different setup than what I'm used to, so it'll be fun to chase those bucks down. So that's been about it for me.

Speaker 4: 16:26

I mean couple bucks here and there, a couple passes, but just chipping away.

Speaker 2: 16:34

Dave, I hope, and Mr Devlin here. You haven't really been much in the Deerwood, but you've definitely been on the water.

Speaker 3: 16:42

I've been somewhere else, I've been smashed in the Ducks and Geese. It's been a really good season so far, not going to have been skunked yet, I mean. So we started off. The first hunt of the year was a duck hunt on November 14. Me and my brother went out to the normal spot that we normally go to and it was pretty slow to start out. We started off in one spot because the tide was real low and then we ended up moving once the tide rose up. First spot, nothing. We passed on a couple like Ruddy ducks and stuff like that. We just didn't shoot him. Then we slid over to the other spot and we were like all right, ruddy ducks no, but if a buffalo head comes in, it's screwed. Sure enough, three Drake buffalo heads buzz in. We smashed all three. It was awesome.

Speaker 3: 17:27

And then we're talking and it was a pretty calm, warm morning, but it was our only opportunity to go. So we went and we're just sitting there talking and my brother's looking at me and I'm looking at him and neither one of us are looking at the water and we both hear something in the look and there's a Drake pintail that literally just plopped in the decoys. We didn't see him fly down. He just plopped right there in the decoys and we both plopped our guns and both water swat him. We were not letting him get away. Our Drake pintail has been on our bucket list for literally our whole career, so we were not letting him go. And sure enough he was a stud. It was really awesome. But, yeah, water swatted. It didn't feel bad about that one at all. But so that was the first duck hunt.

Speaker 3: 18:10

Then we went on a goose hunt on the opener. I think that was the 18th of November. It was a great weather day. Great weather day. It was just what you dreamed about. It was kind of cloudy, kind of sunny, blown, like 15 to 20 miles an hour. We were set up on a hilltop farm and we were in an A-frame running six and a half dozen decoys, I think, a mix of silhouettes, these white rocks that are kind of like inflatables Not a big fan, but in some shells. And we even took out the floaters that we have for water hunting and just kind of stuck them in the ground there, just because we were running traffic on a hilltop field.

Speaker 3: 18:48

So the geese were not feeding in this field every night, but we knew if we were up there and they could see us and would have a lot of calling. We couldn't get them in and in the morning it started off. It was supposed to be four of us. Then we showed up to the field and it's only me and my brother and we don't hear from the other two guys. And we're like, ok, that's weird. We call them a bunch of times, don't hear either one of them. So we're like all right, they slept in, whatever.

Speaker 3: 19:13

So we hear geese on the roost there's a roost like 400 yards away from us or so and we get all set up, flying's good, everything. Sure enough, we have one bird come in and write it like 10 minutes after shooting light, and I'm like, all right, tom, you shoot it all film, so it's coming in. They came off the roosters going the other way, you're trafficking in. It's coming in. I'm like, all right, I pull up my camera. Sure enough, goose is landing in the decoys. Boom shot one, miss, boom shot two miss three. He barely wing tipped it Like not enough to really do any damage, but just enough to where he then dove back down like 100 yards in the field. And I'm like, all right, go chase it, go chase it. I got it all on video. He goes, he runs out in the field and it just takes off. He takes another shot and it whiffs. But it was the funniest sequence of events I've experienced in a goose field. We were crying and then the rest of the morning it was all right. We from shooting light until 9, not much. And then finally we get a call from the guys and they were too embarrassed to say it but the one guy they got halfway down there and the one guy forgot his gun and they had to drive home, get the gun and come back down. So finally they get there around 9.30 10,. It was real funny Making fun of them the whole time.

Speaker 3: 20:29

And there's some times in waterfowling where there's just like an incredible amount of birds in the sky and everybody's just kind of like standing there saying like wow and like normally when that happens, like you're not expecting them to all, like come in. You're just kind of like watching them in the distance and just saying like jaw dropping, wow. So we get the flag out and we start flagging. I have an acrylic call. It's super loud and it's across the valley where they were and I'm just ripping on the call Like my face was red, the veins are popping out. I'm calling as loud and as fast as I can. Sure enough, a two-pack comes off the group and starts coming at us. We're like sweet Tommy's keep flagging, they're seeing it. We turn a four-pack, five and then a 20-pack and then a 50-pack. We must have had 100 to 150 yeast landing in our decoys at one time, like to the point where everybody in the blind like had buck fever, like I was shaking so bad I thought I was going to puke, like it was incredible, like 180 inch buck was walking in.

Speaker 3: 21:23

So we pull up and we shoot and out of the four guys we dropped three birds. And you know it wasn't great, but everybody was just so excited. I know for a fact me, like I didn't pick out one bird, there were so many birds. I just pulled up and boom, boom, boom and then just try to grab more shells. But you know we only dropped three, which wasn't ideal, but it was funny.

Speaker 2: 21:46

So then we get done with the wood.

Speaker 2: 21:47

I told you it's so overwhelming it's literally like we've talked about it multiple times and it's like I don't blame any of you. That's such a like you just don't know what to shoot at. Like it's just so. I don't even like. What do you do in that situation? Like, and I swear, when you do pick one, your buddy just ends up shooting the bird that you freaking, that you picked and now you're scrambling again to freaking find, like there's so many, like I couldn't even imagine if, like a hundred birds came in.

Speaker 3: 22:22

Wow it's overwhelming as shit. It was so overwhelming, it was so loud, like that was the most breathtaking part about it. And you know I didn't take video and I regret it so badly, but it was just too exciting to take video. I mean, I was just in it and it was so ear piercingly loud, it was incredible. But yeah, just the whole thing was so intense.

Speaker 3: 22:42

And so that was the morning, and then we said, all right, we're gonna stay for the evening. It was still supposed to, the wind was supposed to be pretty good and they always roll in the evening down there. And so after that flock came in, there was a four or earlier in the afternoon I forget what it was there was a spore pack that just kept on flying around, kept on flying around and they wouldn't do anything. They were just kind of like looking around for the day. It was weird. And my brother, he had something against them. He was saying the whole day he's like I don't care if we shoot a single goose for the rest of the day, I just want those four to come in. I just want them to come in. And so the other guys asked this was their first time goose hunting ever. They were like so what time do you think they'll start flying in the evening and I said, oh, about three o'clock.

Speaker 3: 23:20

I'd say so, sure enough, at three o' four was because when we first heard it we asked and we looked at the time we hear the first honk and it was bright blue skies at this time and we couldn't find them. But I just start like calling at them because we could hear them but we couldn't see them. So they must have been like sky high, lined up with the sun. All of a sudden I look up and I just see black speck and, sure enough, right there, the four pack whether it was the same four geese or not, I don't know. But at three o'clock when we said it and that four pack just comes sky high diving in and we call them all the way into the decoys and we shoot all four.

Speaker 3: 23:56

And just to have that story of the morning of Tommy making all these jokes about the four geese, and then finally they come in at three o'clock, we said it was so funny. And then we finished out the rest of the evening like they were just flying the whole rest of the time. If we had 10 guns I truly think we could have filled 10 limits just in that afternoon. It was incredible, yeah, so that we limited out for guys.

Speaker 1: 24:18

Would say I was like you could have filled them in the morning too.

Speaker 3: 24:21

Yeah, yeah, you shot a little better. Yeah, you know you're not wrong, you're not right.

Speaker 1: 24:27

That was going to be my first question was I thought that story was going in a different direction on your answer to tell these guys not to shoot too many of the 150, but it happens to everyone, it does. No I will say that you shoot the ruddy not shoot the ruddy ducks, but to shoot the buffalo heads. What was the thought process there?

Speaker 3: 24:47

I don't know, like buffalo heads, like a buffalo head, drake, I think, is one of the beautiful, like the most beautiful ducks you'll ever see, but like ruddy ducks, like they don't really do for you, they don't eat well, they don't like I don't know they're, they're just a pain. I don't know, I'm not not a huge fan. They're kind of like a organiser in my opinion. But, um, yeah, so we filled the four man limit there and then real quick.

Speaker 2: 25:10

What's the? So? Because there's a better bunch of people out there that limits are changing. They're back to what two or three.

Speaker 3: 25:19

So that's so. I hadn't goose hunted in the past three years just for the fact of it was one one limit, one goose limit. So like I would duck hunt and shoot geese when I duck on all the time, but I would never gotten a field and target them. But this year they bumped it back up to three, which it's just enough to make it just so much more worth it to do all the work for it and uh, yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:41

So all the decoys that early in the morning just for one goose during that moratorium. No yeah, motivate yourself to do that.

Speaker 3: 25:48

I'm not a hundred percent on that one, and so I was almost scared too, because there's been times where, like, you shoot into a flock and you're meaning to shoot one goose and two fall. Like I'd be scared of that too. Like one goose Another good point. Yeah, it could be tough.

Speaker 2: 26:02

Now real quick, justin. Why is it so much more work to set up for geese than it is for ducks?

Speaker 3: 26:09

It's not. It's not, but you were still able to shoot six ducks, so like it was still a lot more worth it. I would say it's a lot less work for geese and preferably like if I could hunt in the field all the time. I would never hunt in the water ever again. Um cause, like I just like being on dry land, don't worry about getting wet and the waiters in the water, and it's true.

Speaker 1: 26:28

Yeah, but uh, waiters are the bane of my existence as well, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:33

No, I'm not. We were talking about the Cabela Woods. I mean not the Cabela, the Sika Woods, yeah Good pair.

Speaker 1: 26:39

I've just been a pair of waiters that doesn't leak. I don't think exists. No, I've yet to find it. Me too, I've yet to be proven wrong on that theory.

Speaker 4: 26:50

I had a pair last for trout fishing for a good it lasted a good three years, and then uh the requirements are a little different.

Speaker 3: 26:59

Yeah, the trout fishing and duck hunting are two different things out of eight.

Speaker 4: 27:03

So it's funny. Uh, my good friend he's got actually he has duck duck waiters. Like um, he went to Alaska, you know, salmon fishing and you know, on a fishing trip in Alaska and his Cabela's waiters uh, have massive hole in them and he had to get new waiters. The only waiters that they had in the store were duck neoprene waiters. So in you know 90 degree weather in Alaska he was wearing the crazy neoprene duck waiters that were meant for like 30 below and uh, I mean he is funny because now he still wears until today. I mean they're torn up and beat up but he still wears until today. So, but yeah, I mean they're thick, like very thick, thick. So I can imagine.

Speaker 3: 27:55

Yeah, and then after that I went on a couple more hunts. Nothing crazy, I mean. I went out with my buddy, brian, the one day. We got a, I think a gadwall and four buffalo heads or something like that Not not a crazy hunt at all. I went by myself twice and, um, I shot one Drake by duck the one day.

Speaker 3: 28:14

And then, uh, I went out on last Friday by myself in the morning and that was, that was a good time. It was a flat, calm morning, but I had scouted the day before and a ton of fresh birds. So I was like, I mean, fresh birds are normally pretty dumb if they just migrate in, they're not familiar with the area where it's pressured and everything. And I, uh, I set up it's just me and my kayak, so I fit every decoy. I couldn't act, kayak and it was me and 13 decoys.

Speaker 3: 28:41

I want to say, but, uh, I wanted a bigger spread, for more of a pull, because I had noticed that the one time I did hunt by myself, I, uh, I what do you call it? I just didn't have enough of a pull, like ducks were flying by and they just worry. I knew that they weren't seeing the spread, so I put out a little bit more and a couple of motion decoys and, like I said, it's flat, calm, like just glass, and the decoys, the, the motion decoys just made them seem from so far away. And it was good. I shot a shot, a limit. It was uh, what did I get? Five, yeah, five gadwall, three Drake's, two hens and one stud Drake, black duck, like the prime full plumage, red red legs, everything it was uh, it was awesome. And I also went out and then that time, when, uh, when we were talking, and I shot four gadwall, yep, but that was it so and then you, michael, be out tomorrow.

Speaker 4: 29:29

So what's that that, when uh mean you were talking, yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:33

Yeah, yeah, and you know we'll. Yeah, we'll be out tomorrow, which we'll talk about in a little bit, but um, it sounds fun.

Speaker 4: 29:42

I'm surprised you haven't, uh, you haven't, gone out with. I mean I can't say us because I it's a dangerous light tomorrow. I mean, I got very dirty.

Speaker 1: 29:57

I what are?

Speaker 2: 29:58

the odds, tomorrow is a murder case that you're going to be like away for like two to three weeks.

Speaker 1: 30:02

Oh, oh, as long as it stays virtual court, that's fine.

Speaker 2: 30:08

So also right now it's virtual.

Speaker 1: 30:10

It says virtual. They just sent me like a zoom link and, um, so hopefully. But I was talking to one of the my coworkers and, um, because we were supposed to have whatever going on at work, and she was like, oh, I got pulled for a month. And I was like, oh, I'm not going to get called in or whatever. And she's like, oh, I got pulled for a month for this high profile thing. And I was like, oh, sick, he's like half the time we've just sit in the room and do puzzles with strangers. And I was like that sounds horrible.

Speaker 2: 30:43

How much do you get paid? Like if it is a long one, don't you get paid. I can't get paid Cause of my job.

Speaker 4: 30:53

Oh yeah, wait, why wait, why can't? I thought that was the thing.

Speaker 1: 30:59

No, I mean I can't, some people can, I can't.

Speaker 2: 31:02

I wouldn't know, because I was told to go to Jerry duty in California three years ago and they're still waiting for me, so I yeah, the one time, I the one, the one time I was supposed to go, I I completely forgot, and I was 18 and I haven't.

Speaker 3: 31:22

No, I just slipped my mind and I just well in better news than jury duty. This is sort of relevant to the podcast. There was five inches of snow that fell today in High Point, new Jersey. Oh yeah, really That'll. That'll change things for us, for for everything for ducks, for deer, for everything, yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:42

Yeah, especially for ducks.

Speaker 4: 31:44

My father in Pennsylvania. He just got seven inches and I got it. I wish I would. If you gave me half of that, I'm going to tell you it would be well, let me tell you let me tell you two inches is a lot.

Speaker 3: 31:57

So I think if we got that much snow we would be. We would be looking pretty good.

Speaker 2: 32:01

Listen, I think it's, I think it's bound to I. This year has already been a lot of snow and it's already been colder to me what from my experience last year. Remember how warmer it was last year. The rut was actually like cooler.

Speaker 1: 32:13

We had no last year.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Yeah One, and I wouldn't even call it a good day, because the next day it freaking melted.

Speaker 1: 32:20

Yeah, you're soaking wet and raining the whole day.

Speaker 2: 32:22

Yeah, like water snow, yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:25

So, like I, I'm a huge believer that we need it, not for many reasons, but I think what made deer hunting so hard in the winter last year and Andrew can definitely talk on this too was you know there was no, there was no cold, there was no snow. So, first of all, their food sources they got. You know they don't have. They still didn't have to go far. They weren't traveling far, you know. It wasn't as cold, so they're not getting up nearly as much as they usually would during the day.

Speaker 2: 32:57

You know, and Andrew, it's something that Andrew's talked about, I think we talked about last year literally when we're giving a winter update was you know, this is when you know he does his most of his killing and you know, for you know specific reasons. And you know, when you have a mild, warm winter with no, no snow, you know every animal and R they don't have to. Really, you know they don't. They don't have to go far because there's food everywhere. They're part of winter. You had bears out, you like you had bears out almost all winter last year. That's that shouldn't. That shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 4: 33:34

Deer, deer especially, they don't. They don't burn calories like a person or like other animals. Their their hair is hollow. So a lot of people think that their coats are like incredibly warm and this and that, and they're. They're not as warm as people think they're not. It's not like a bear's coat where they have multiple layers, they just have one coat of hair that's thick but it's also hollow. So it does get cold quick.

Speaker 4: 33:58

And how deer burn calories is by staying warm, so like you could, as a person, you could sit and be warm for you know X amount of time before you really start getting like seriously cold, just by your body. Deer, the way that they keep warm is actually like eating and when they're not eating, they're burning calories to stay warm and it's like they're, like they're you know their self-defense almost to the cold. So when you get a, you know I I've been praying, praying for like a high of like 25. If I could get something like that, like man that gets deer up in a frenzy, if you could get snowfall, it turns them into a panic where they just, you know they travel so much, so fast to find food and once they find it, they don't leave it. You know you could, you could damn near walk right up to them and grab them and they won't leave it and that's just. You know, that's what the you know your first couple of snowfalls really do to deer, and if you can capitalize on that, that's that's. That's really big.

Speaker 4: 35:05

And you know, like I said, especially in cold days, like I don't know if you guys remember, this was years ago, this was like six, seven, maybe even eight years ago we had a winter. That it was. You know, we were getting highs of like 20 degrees the high, and there were some times like where it was like dipping into like single digits. That was my best year. I killed seven deer that year. I can't, you know, like you can't, make it up when you get really, really cold, like frigid, cold temps, don't get me wrong, it makes it miserable to be out there, but I mean, you're usually covered up in deer If you're in the right spot, you're covered up in them.

Speaker 4: 35:39

You know it's tough to not see deer and that kind of.

Speaker 1: 35:43

You're gonna be eating like that too, and if it's that cold, they got a drink as well. So it also like concentrated. Finding that open water, finding that you know what's not hard water you know, can also help like concentrate on kind of like. I think what Carolina Reaper was saying if it wasn't the last podcast is the podcast before. Like as winter goes on, you start to lose like a lot of that leaf cover against the concentrate them. So I think, just like it'd be a compounding effect, gets real cold like that.

Speaker 4: 36:10

Yep, yeah, for sure it makes it. It makes it I don't want to say easier, because it's not, there's nothing easy about deer hunting but it makes it more patternable. You know I've been I talk about it December, like mid December, going into like January and February around here.

Speaker 3: 36:35

It's almost like you're.

Speaker 4: 36:36

It's almost like September. You know August and September patterns. You really find like if you could find where they're traveling to every day. They're not going to change that because they're doing it because it's cold and they need the food, just like they need the minerals when they're in velvet, or just like they need to go find a doe when it's the right there's. There's no difference, it's just what they need. So you know you can get fridge attempts. I mean that's seriously something to capitalize on. And last year it was miserable. I mean the other day I went hunting and it was cooler. I mean I think it was like 4550. But I remember I had a memory pop up on my social media and it was. I was hunting that same day last year and it was 71 degrees out in December. So it was just like. I mean I guess it's a little bit better, but I mean no wind, no nothing, and you know it's it's pretty warm you know, 50 degrees is pretty warm out, listen.

Speaker 2: 37:29

That's why, besides today and, you know, those last few days, man, the wind has rarely not been there. It has not been wind, it's been real calm and quiet in the woods, which has made things very difficult as as well.

Speaker 3: 37:44

Which, if you were, if you were duck hunter this morning and you went out, congratulations, because you definitely smashed them, because that's all I thought about all day taking a final was wow, it would have been a great day to be out there. But I think tomorrow we're going to have very similar wins a team so hoping it's going to be the same. But whoever went out there today definitely smashed them.

Speaker 1: 38:05

That's what I sent that text to Mike. Mike called me and mentioned is like you guys are going tomorrow and I was like, well, I can't go tomorrow, but you guys should get out there today, Because it was blowing stink today, yeah which we really haven't had.

Speaker 2: 38:19

So you know, but I'm hoping you know it's colder weather this year. Things are going to change. They're going to be on their feet if it's cold. You know patterns, everything you tracking is a lot better, finding beddings a lot easier in the snow and everything like that. Who doesn't love hunting in the snow? It's my favorite, definitely my favorite time to to hunt and like you can't really beat it, the woods are just like this perfect white. It's quiet, the animals are up and moving like I don't know, like I think I'm in love with hunting in the in the snow, like, yes, I love early season, I love the rut and everything like that. Don't get me wrong, but I would like to be able to say that I hunt every year. I get at least one or two hunts and a good, nice snowstorm, because it's you can't really beat it, it's just perfect.

Speaker 4: 39:09

It's a. There is a fine line with the snow. I've noticed, you know, dear yard up if it's too high, if you can, if you can find that happy medium like like two to three inches is, I don't personally find it being enough. I feel like it goes away too quick. So, like, usually it bangs out on the first day. But like, if you can get like like five inches of snow, six inches of snow, it's usually enough to stick around for like two or three days and it's just enough to keep the ground completely covered.

Speaker 4: 39:43

It's, you know, not enough to keep them yard up. You know, like, if you get like a foot and half of snow, like that's just going to keep them in a bed for you know two days, like they're not going to move as much, from what I've noticed, at least you know, make some yard up. But man, that like six inches, like that six inches of snow is like that like sweet spot, I think. But I don't know, I mean I haven't gotten it yet but I'm hoping, I'm hoping soon. I mean it's my favorite time. I mean I like, if I could pick a time, it would definitely be from like December 20th to like middle of January, you know right before things start getting you know, you know before deer start really dropping out, which I don't know if you guys noticed, but I'm seeing people like posting about the drop in Antlers in New Jersey already it's.

Speaker 3: 40:31

Yep, I've seen that on a couple guys post and we saw one that that appeared to be shed right, yep.

Speaker 4: 40:38

Yeah, he was a hard horn buck one day and then the next day it was often it didn't look broken Like when we download the video, and looked clean off, like I guess it could have been broken right at the base, but it sure looked like a clean, like a clean just drop, so weird. But we'll, we'll see. It's a grind. It's a grind and I think right now you know me and Justin were talking about it earlier that it's just. You know, you just got to find them. You know, like sitting in one spot is just not like there's too much transitioning time right now. It's just, you just got to, you got to stay on the move. As easy as sitting in one spot that worked in, you know, early October might be, it's just. It's just not the time. That's the time to really get on your feet, go find them and execute as soon as you do.

Speaker 3: 41:29

And I don't know when this podcast is coming out, but like today it's the yeah, it's, it's December 11. So gun season just ended last week, so now, six.

Speaker 2: 41:40

Six day just ended. So six day, the to the buck week ended, which is where you're going to get most your damage. And let me tell you, I had idiots walking around everywhere and spots where they shouldn't even be walking around with a gun. But you know, that's whatever. You know it's. There's nothing I, you know, we can really do about that.

Speaker 3: 42:04

You know patterns have definitely changed.

Speaker 2: 42:06

Yeah, patterns have changed a little bit, but there we still have a gun season. But I'd say the crazy week, 100% is done. Most of the deer drives mostly are probably going to be done. Like you probably going to get some guys maybe doing a drive and stuff like that. But the wild six day week where if it has a little tiny antler it's being shot and probably you get majority of the hunters who don't really hunt.

Speaker 2: 42:37

Yeah or only hunt during you know, this time like I had a guy that was old as hell and I could tell right away, I was like damn, he had a gun out on him. I go, this guy probably hasn't been hunting all year but just waiting for this sixth day to kill himself some, some two bucks and just get whatever meat they could. This this is what our six day gun season is like. It's a crazy time of the year.

Speaker 4: 43:00

I, you know, I'm rolling into this time of the year, man, I'm exhausted because my year starts in, you know, april, may, for white tails, that's when my season starts. I'm, cameras out, I'm out in the woods, you know, three, four times a week. So once I roll into, like December, january, I'm exhausted, I'm just I'm beat. And it was. It was funny me and Justin were out scouting on last or two Saturdays ago and I was like man, it's crazy to think that some people season is starting Monday, like their season is just starting Monday, and I'm man, I'm, I'm exhausted from this season, like I'm just beat, and they're just starting off. It's pretty, it's definitely different, animal for sure. And you know, it's not a, it's not a bad thing. I'm not, it's not a bad thing, but it's definitely different, it's certainly different.

Speaker 2: 43:54

I know it definitely is. And you know what I everyone knows and we talk about time like I'm a die hard bow hunter. You know same one, andrew, here, and you know, justin, if he's going to kill the deer, it looks like he's just going to kill it with a with the bow. I've never, I've never heard you right, I've never said I it was, and I was talking about it with Peyton and I was talking about I was up at Bear Camp with with Mike and you know back down production crew for a couple days and I think I needed that break because, like we said, the grind is so long and you're exhausted and you're, you're up and moving and you're you're constantly just searching and searching and hunting and trying to find, you know, a specific buck or mature buck or whatever the case is. You know I'm at sit, I think I've done 40 something sits All right and I needed that break.

Speaker 2: 44:54

I needed to mix it up and try something different and I'm very happy that I did because it was like we went and if you guys see my setup, like I was in a hedgerow, had Mike's gun and I got myself so comfortable I was able to lay down up on a tree. I had the binos and I was able to see everything in front of me and you didn't have to worry about like a deer walking right up out of you on a thick gate or anything like that. Like and being still or whatever. Like you're able to see that deer and I was able to just slide up on my stomach, push myself like two yards away, get to the gun and just like I just needed the deer, just needed to close. I think they're at 175 when they first popped out and they closed it to 130, 125, but this isn't my gun, so like, I've never shot this gun before. It's a muzzle loader and I know guns can reach out that far, but I've never shot it and just the crosshairs are just the cross, just one. There is no Dash is below, so you can have just been like, oh like, ok, 50 yards more and you're going to be here and here. It's like, so like I didn't want to risk it. At the end of the day, I'm still not there to take a shot and wound an animal and everything like that. I'm there to take the best shot I possibly could. So like I wanted that deer to get to 100 and it was a perfect broadside shot. But, like I just needed 20, 25 more yards. And you know, regardless of your hunting with a bow or gun, whatever you got to be as ethical as possible and still make the decisions. I don't care that I haven't killed the deer this year. That doesn't mean I'm going to start doing stupid shit. And you know, take shots at deer that you know I don't feel comfortable at, even if I have a gun. It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 46:41

And you know we saw seven. You know the action was there and it was just good. It was a good, nice change of pace. I could have used the meat, but you know it happens. And I went out the next day and you know we had fun. It was a beautiful day, much warmer. So the first day that I went out, there was perfect. It actually was snowing, it was, I think, with the wind chills, like 20 something degrees, so everything was perfect how you wanted. It wins in my face. The next day, what? 25, 30, 25, 25 degrees warmer. Those were roughly in the 50s stuff like that. So but yeah, we only saw one deer. But you know it was, it was. It was a good change of pace.

Speaker 2: 47:25

But, andrew, I know you got to get rolling. We'll be back on next week. We'll be back on next week and then we'll be back on the week after that for our Christmas episode. Boys, you can get yourself some ugly sweaters. We're going to do an ugly sweater theme real quick.

Speaker 2: 47:42

Also, before I get Andrew going, what we're going to be doing, what I'm going to be doing now, because New Year's is coming up for our New Year's episode, we're going to, you know, going over our best highlights and stuff like that, our favorite episodes, our favorite episodes that we've recorded with people and just some of the highlights through the year, and I'm going to be posting out all episodes that we have dropped for this year.

Speaker 2: 48:05

And I want to see what you know, what is rated through the fans. I have our top five already done here from downloads. I just want to hear what you know, all listeners and stuff like that, what take into their perspective, what their favorite episode was, you know, and I want to hear what the boys think their favorite episodes were recording and stuff like that. You know we've recorded a bunch of good ones this year, so it's always interesting to see that and, yeah, it's always a pleasure to get you on, brother, and, you know, hopefully, hopefully, the next. You know, sometimes, dude, you know we're telling a good story and I noticed you added another, another deer to the collection in the back. I don't know if we talked about it on the last podcast that we're on this was a.

Speaker 4: 48:49

That is my North Dakota white tail. So yeah, he was. I don't know if we talked about him much.

Speaker 3: 49:00

Seeing that over like the video, like yeah, it looks big and everything, but when you see it in person, like walking in, not even just even if you ignore the rack like the body is not, it's the biggest like shoulder mount I've ever seen.

Speaker 4: 49:15

Yeah, as far as body goes, I mean, I mean my hand, it's not even close. He was a I forget what no 299 dressed, 298 dressed Wow, it was something different, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 49:32

You did a really good job too. It looks like you're really well done.

Speaker 4: 49:35

Yeah, yeah, it was my buddy Jay, you know. Make sure you guys go follow him too. He's, he's, he's a perfectionist, to say the least, up at North Dakota.

Speaker 3: 49:47

His. His Instagram is is North Antler Hunt, I think Yep.

Speaker 4: 49:51

Yep, that's, that's him. And I'm going to tell you you definitely won't be disappointed. I mean, I know not they do guides.

Speaker 2: 49:57

And is that the guides and the taxidermist, or is that just taxidermist? Yep.

Speaker 4: 50:01

Yep. So he's running guys out in Minnesota and you know stuff like that and he's he's a very knowledgeable dude. He's killed some giant deer and I mean he taxed it. His tax summary work is next to none. I know it's tough, you know, for us to go send it up there and have it sent back or whatever, but it's it's definitely worth it, that's for sure. He did a great job. So you know, guy, you know at least go give him a follow, keep up to date with him.

Speaker 2: 50:27

Yep, go, go, go, check that. Check that page out. I'll put it in the. I'll put this clip up and put their Instagram in the video. But all right, andrew? Well, I know you got to go, so we'll talk to you. Talk to you. Yeah for sure, hopefully, hopefully.

Speaker 4: 50:44

I'll have one down next time we chat boys.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Yeah, I'm talking to you guys later right. Thank you, brother. All right guys. So let's, let's get. We'll start getting wrapping this thing up. You know, like we said, gun season was fun. I think it's a tradition. We're going to do it. I think even Peyton we're. You know we're talking, I, wherever Peyton is for next year, like definitely, hopefully he comes up for six day because it was fun they had like at their max at 10 guys, I think, and like it's just a different pace and you know you're looking to change it up.

Speaker 1: 51:21

Yeah, and it is definitely fun Kind of gun hunt like you see, you know, like where you see deer camp and like you see it a lot in like Wisconsin and kind of those like Great Lakes regions and, you know, even PA. They just really get into that sort of thing. So it's nice to do a bunch of different styles of hunting, which is what I like.

Speaker 2: 51:39

Yeah, I, you know I'm never going to be oh my God, gun hunting, you know. But you know it is fun and just it's more of really the friendship and the brotherhood and you know you're hanging out, your you know if you're. If you did go to the camp, you know, I know what that's like. I went. I went a couple of years ago. Bianca and I and Bianca and I both definitely decided like this year we're definitely next year we're definitely going to go, regardless whatever we're going to make sure we put into our budget so we can go now that we're saving up for a wedding. So it was a little out the question this year. But you know, you're, you're eating dude. I oh, I forgot to tell you guys.

Speaker 2: 52:15

So Mike's dad made a gumbo, right, it was deer bear and raccoon and I tried raccoon for the first time. Holy hell, it was good like I. I kid you. Now, first of all, mike's Mike's dad oh my God, is he a? I love when you know when Mike's dad cook and anyone that wants to know. You know you can order food, I believe, from them at Callie's Calliente. They have hot sauces and everything like that too. So like they got some pretty pretty damn good, good shit going on over there too. So their guineas and the food a lot of spices, a lot of herbs and everything like it's it's just phenomenal. So you could even tell that as raccoon and I even looked it up because I was pretty like interested in it. About it I actually said that raccoons actually really good for you, like it's really really healthy for you and it's actually a really good meat to have. I know we have this thing where they look and of course I wouldn't want to eat a raccoon in my, in my backyard. That's eating up the trash.

Speaker 3: 53:31

I don't want.

Speaker 2: 53:31

I don't want that raccoon but, like I even said, I was like damn, I was like I might. If I'm out in the woods, like deep down in the woods, I might go pop a raccoon.

Speaker 1: 53:39

When we go out for coyote season this year, People need to start shooting raccoons, 100%. You know, if you like, shooting ground nesting birds. And that's your turkeys, that's your grouse, that's your ducks, that's your geese the mesopredator population in this country because, as a result of like trap, like fur prices falling to next to nothing, they need to go Like it's. There is a correlation, I think, between or actually I don't even think, I think there's, there's data that suggests that you start. You know these mesopredator populations, like those raccoons and those coyotes. They need to be these foxes.

Speaker 3: 54:14

Yeah, I, raccoons have been known to even take down fawns, I mean, especially when they first drop. Like raccoons are more predators than you think. Oh, they're nasty, they'd be terrible.

Speaker 1: 54:27

Oh, I've squared off with one this year. Really, I think I sent that video still, but yeah, that was early season.

Speaker 2: 54:34

I think you did send it. Maybe you sent it to our other group, I'm not sure, I'm pretty sure I saw it.

Speaker 1: 54:39

Oh, I did send it. I sent it to you guys. But yeah, it sometimes and that's not even the first time that's happened to me where I've just had them just have no fear of me and then just come right at me on a rope and it's like there's something else.

Speaker 3: 54:57

Yeah, I was listening to a podcast the other day with a biologist and he also said that in bait states the increase in baiting in all these spots has also grown the population. Because I mean, who hasn't put out a trail camera with corn and gotten a raccoon eating all the corn? You know, we're feeding them just as much as we're feeding the deer, and I think they could probably fare better off a corn than a deer can anyway with, I guess, nutrition wise. So yeah, that's another thing that you wouldn't think that's grown their population. But yeah, definitely shoot them if they're good too, apparently.

Speaker 3: 55:30

Yeah, I don't know, I think you could probably make anything good with the right amount of spices and a good recipe, like me, but that's what we're talking about this with something else.

Speaker 1: 55:42

That's one of those things that it's a turtle when I was snapping. It was the turtle, that's one of those things that's going to work, for me to get my head around. I mean, that's going to be, that's a mental hurdle.

Speaker 3: 55:56

I think I could eat a turtle before a raccoon?

Speaker 1: 55:58

for sure, I think so too. I think I'd rather eat the turtle than the raccoon.

Speaker 2: 56:07

I think I have one bite left. I'll bring it for you to try tomorrow, Justin. Oh God, All right. So yeah, we're going. We're going to do some predator hunting this year. We've done it before, Justin, and I did it last year.

Speaker 3: 56:21

Yeah, it was a ton of fun last year when we went.

Speaker 2: 56:23

We're going to do it again. First time we'll be using the. Well, no, I've used the tactic. I'm 6.0. When I shot that do I forgot to turn it on. So so that tomorrow, make sure I actually turn it on, and I'm excited to get some footage through that and I'm pretty, pretty pumped to finally use it correctly. But, yeah, anything, anything else that we got covered, I think. I think we hit it now.

Speaker 3: 56:57

Yeah, you know we're looking, looking forward to tomorrow. Speaking of jerky, I actually just got a smoker, so now I can make the geese a little bit better than what I was doing before.

Speaker 2: 57:08

Smoker is so much fun. Yeah, smoker is so much fun. So today's try is going to be kangaroo, kangaroo, kangaroo for the first time.

Speaker 4: 57:19

What do kangaroos eat?

Speaker 2: 57:20

I don't think you know.

Speaker 3: 57:23

Are they like a deer? Are they like a jack?

Speaker 2: 57:27

They are a freaking jack deer they are freaking.

Speaker 1: 57:29

I think they eat plants and stuff. I don't think they. Yeah, I don't think they're.

Speaker 2: 57:32

Yeah, I don't think they're a meat either.

Speaker 1: 57:36

That's a big problem, I think in Australia. I've heard those meatier guys talk about it a lot. It's like it's next to impossible to hunt in Australia. But they've got so it's state. Just the nation just pays to shoot them all out of helicopters.

Speaker 3: 57:50

Hmm, yeah, shoot them and leave them. Probably don't even, don't even take the meat.

Speaker 1: 57:56

And yeah, somehow yeah yeah, somehow that for them to go out and get them. Yeah, this helps. Makes no sense how lucky we are to have the best conservation model that there is. Yes, agreed Very good to. What's the review? I think you should start giving me these number scores, like To one decimal place, like a day before my score.

Speaker 2: 58:17

Yeah, the problem is, and I want to, and that's actually a good idea we can probably do something like that.

Speaker 3: 58:24

You just can't do it with jerky.

Speaker 2: 58:26

You can't. Well, you can't really do it with jerky Because, honestly, all jerky and even Mike said this I can't, because he has this too so they all taste the same Like jerky, just has this taste like it.

Speaker 3: 58:36

Yeah a lot. Of it tastes. I think, I think the seasoning matters a little more jerky.

Speaker 2: 58:43

I think that I think that it's a big part of the seasoning and these two are two completely different. Like, this is like your traditional style jerky that you'd get at like 711 or something in those bags, and this is not like the stick, but this one's a little. It's skinnier, it's thinner, so to me it seems a little more dry. I do believe that there is a regular kangaroo like yeah, so there is an actual weight. Nope, that's alligator, that's buffalo.

Speaker 1: 59:14

Now find it somewhere. I didn't even know you could jerky pork. You'd cook it hot enough.

Speaker 2: 59:22

But usually they give you a stick to. That's more like a, you know. But it's not bad, it's just, it's dry, a little drier. But I would give this I think I like this the snapping turtle more. So I'll give the snapping turtle, probably like a 7.8. And this is pretty high score.

Speaker 3: 59:44

Yeah 7.3.

Speaker 2: 59:48

It's not my favorite, but it's still jerky, so it still gets the job done. I don't really taste after taste but I think, like Justin said, it's really about the seasoning and Can't complain about the season.

Speaker 1: 1:00:01

Definitely plays a role.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

Definitely, definitely. So, yeah, we can do stuff like that. I think it's a good idea. Oh, we had some. I'll have Bianca make her her bear meatballs and give those guys a score, because that was when I had it the other day. That was phenomenal, phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal. But All right, guys, I mean I think I think that's going to end it. I think that's everything that's happened last week. Oh, I ran into a little bit of hunter harassment, I guess. Today I guess I could talk about I'll talk about that one on the next podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:00:37

We're already past an hour and I got to get this edited and everything and get to sleep because I need to be at Justin's house. So, like 5, 5, 15 in the freaking morning we're gonna go shoot some, shoot some birds and then hopefully goes well, and then I can go maybe shoot a deer in the evening, but we'll see. And Christmas episodes coming up, new Year's episodes coming up. Go check out our all our Instagrams. First of all, justin Andrews Payton's. Obviously, you must follow Boondocks hunting if you're listening to this episode and go take a vote on. You know what's your favorite episode will be dropping a new four or five every day in the top. One from each will play in the finals. I guess the day before New Year's or something like that, so I haven't fully come out with it yet, but something, something like that. But yeah, no guys, any last words.

Speaker 1: 1:01:35

Yeah, think that's it. No, nothing here.

Speaker 2: 1:01:38

All right, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see you guys next time.