From the Woods Of Sussex to Pine Barrens

Speaker 2: 0:21

Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast presented by Boon Nox Hunting. I'm your host, mike Nitroin.

Speaker 1: 0:27

I'm Peyton Smith.

Speaker 2: 0:29

And today, hey, we got some good news. We news that I don't think we've ever shared this early into the year. We're still not even done with our 2023-2024 dear season, but we've actually added two new members to the team. We got one of them here right now and then another one should be joining very shortly. But, frank, you know him as Broadside Ambush Frank on Instagram. He's being a big part now. Basically what everyone has been, from me to Dave to Chris, to Infant, to Pursuit Energy to kind of everything. He's kind of made a big splash, I'd say, since we met you over in the summer. So, frank, welcome to the team and welcome to the podcast. Thank you, welcome, welcome. So real quick for all our listeners out there. Just give them a quick rundown on yourself and how long you've been hunting and just a quick update for them, real quick.

Speaker 3: 1:37

Yeah, sure, so I'm Frank Mustica, also known as Broadside Ambush under the first Frank on Instagram. I've been hunting basically since I was five. I basically grew up in Sussex County. Most of my family were like they're all from the city you know Nork, you know Bloomfield, all that and so they basically my parents. They moved up to Vernon so that's kind of like where I grew up. But yeah, they, my family, was basically all like small game hunters at first. That's where they all started.

Speaker 3: 2:15

So I used to just go with them when my BB gun or whatever and just follow them, hold everything for them they're rabbits, they're pheasant, you know and then they actually then they started getting into, you know, hunting white tail a lot. So once I started like, and I was old enough to go like, I was hooked. I remember like it was basically I had my first bow. Once I got into actually bow hunting itself, I had a Hoyt Rebel and it was a compound bow that I used to just shoot with like I used to draw back with, like my fingers I ain't even shoot, release, you know. But yeah, I've been hunting. I'm 38 now so I've been hunting ever since then. So it's it's like you know, it's been up like this up and down. Do you know how it goes?

Speaker 3: 3:09

But yeah yeah, that's kind of how I grew up and I, you know, I love it. My passions, you know white tails mostly, but I do fuzz of hunt still, and rabbit hunt too when I could. Yeah, and that's basically. You know, like you know where. I come from you know.

Speaker 2: 3:27

Yeah, and you know, when we sit down we'll definitely go more into detail. I mean, there's a lot to go. Just look at the. You know first of all you see the two mounts behind you and then you see the. You know the other antlers and everything like that. So there is going to be a lot to get into. And it's pretty cool, like you know.

Speaker 2: 3:43

The pheasant hunting, the small game, like it's something that you know. I would like to get more into it. It's I started with just white tail hunting and mostly everyone in the family they white tail hunt and everything like that, and of course you're obsessed with that. But the more you get into it, the more you evolve. And now waterfowl hunting. You know I love squirrels, so like I want to get out. You know a pain we were talking about last episode squirrel hunting and stuff like that. It just always, wherever you start in hunting, it's only the beginning and it just kicks off into so many different types of hunting styles and then the animals that you're hunting, and from boat to shotgun to muzzleloader to trapping. You know and you know fishing. There's just so much to do, so, um, and always it's an endless amount of discussions. You know conversations to have. That can go on for hours and hours, and hours. So you know, I'm really excited, really excited to have you on the team. You know what we talked about a little bit off.

Speaker 2: 4:46

You know, for me it's um, I was I always want to add somebody every year. The way that Boondocks hunting has progressed. I wanted to get new people in before we started doing the events, before we started doing the shows. I want everyone to be around, everyone kind of when they know that they're a part of it. You know what I mean. When you come in, you know you're you're just joining as a guest or whatever. It's. Yes, it's the same thing, but it's also, I think it means a little more to everyone and it just well, you know, I think, unite everyone before the season, everything like that. We're already talking a lot. And you know the group chat. You know it's been bouncing already. You know 24 hours and um, and that's just the beginning. So it's really great.

Speaker 2: 5:32

I love the content that you've been making. I know it's, you know, just the beginning for you, um, and that's what I'm really excited for and it's it's. It's the same reason. You know, with with Peyton too, like um, yeah, I see so much in in both you, peyton, and the person that's going to be coming on um in a little bit of just kind of what I imagined Boondocks hunting and where I want to go and you know just everyone's unique in their own ways and you know it's just getting not only Boondocks hunting out there but everyone out there you know, to get Peyton stuff out there, to get yours out there, to to get everyone that worked, to get Dave's out there, to Chris, even people who are not part of the team. You know everyone's journey and everyone's um stories are unique and you know to share that with everyone I think is pretty, uh, pretty special.

Speaker 3: 6:26

Yeah, no, not absolutely.

Speaker 2: 6:28

So, peyton, last time we were on, we we've had a. We had a hell of a hunt. I wish Justin was on right now, but he's not. But we went out. One one was that, um, thursday, thursday, so it's supposed to be the last, supposed to be the last day of, uh, duck season for us, and the plan was to go duck hunting. Everyone knows it snowed like a few days before and then we got that terrible rain so everything was flooded out. We we thank God, and even Justin thank God we made the decision to just say you know what, we're going to go get some, some geese instead, because what within?

Speaker 1: 7:06

Thank God for Justin's like midday scout. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cause, yeah, he went out and and uh saw that it was flooded out at low tide. Even so, it's a good pivot move yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:18

Yeah, that that we would have kind of, I think, been screwed if he didn't go out for that midday scout, the scout slash hunt the day before. Um, but I would say we got set up and within what? 25, 30 minutes, maybe not even, I feel like we had that big flock come in that you guys trafficked in yeah, they were coming.

Speaker 1: 7:42

I mean I think if we got it set up a little bit earlier we probably could have cooked some of those other ones in um. We got set up and kind of put the last pieces of it together, just as they, they started flying. And then the big group got up and and usually you know, especially you know regardless of where I've been, you know it's a little harder to convince larger groups, but this one they, just as soon as that first group came over the horizon, saw the spread at the top of the hill, which was a great set up move on Justin's part. They dumped, they came right in the hole. I mean it was two or three circles and then they started dumping, it landing.

Speaker 1: 8:22

And you know, as soon as I saw that I knew it was going to be a good day. You know just how quickly that if you got a big group coming in a hole like that, you're going to have no problem having the you know the groups of fives, the singles, the doubles coming in and ended up being a great shoot. You know, limit it out could have limited out. You know, instantly in that group we should have we yeah yeah, we should have the bad shoot did.

Speaker 1: 8:48

First we got real excited. Um, I think what ended up happening is that three people shot at the same bird. It happens, it always does. Um ended up getting one out of that and then one sailing off for Justin to go get. So Justin had to go for a real long walk and me and Mike stayed in the blind and called in a few more. And you know, by the time Justin got back I had shot my limit and Mike, I think, was two into his. So Justin had. You know by the time Justin, got back.

Speaker 1: 9:15

there's only, you know, more birds to shoot and, um, you know a little. You know kind of worked our way and took our time and just kind of had fun with the last couple of groups and, you know, shot our limit behind nine o'clock yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:32

Now, um, when, when Justin when go went to go get the bird, I think we had another group coming and we shot and then we went to go get our birds and the reason why Justin couldn't get back any quicker was because birds were just flying in. You know, and I posted a video the other day of Peyton just dropped his bird and then all of a sudden you see me running and dropping my bird and I'm trying to get as low as I can to the ground and get into the to the ground by him, because birds were just flying all over and it was. We were literally talking. It's like these birds they wanted to die, like it was. It was so weird, just wanted to kind of come right in the hole.

Speaker 1: 10:10

And then your Mike went for a long walk to go get one that had kind of sailed off and I remember he was off to to the right and there was a cupped up on the left side. So you know, I yelled at him, you know, just kind of stay where he's at, and ended up shooting the last of my limit, you know, while he's like 200 yards out the opposite direction. You know it was.

Speaker 2: 10:34

it was a fun hunt, I think it was.

Speaker 1: 10:36

They just wanted to come in yeah, yeah Now.

Speaker 1: 10:42

That's what just goose hunt is all about. You know, when you get, you know birds that are super receptive to the calling, like that you know. And then you had to call. I think in a lot of ways you had to call them all the way to the ground, but once you were, if you were calling, they were coming in and you know they were responding to the calls. They were responding to the flag. You know they see that Justin flag and they would stop and turn on a dime. You know we had. We had three geese come in, shot one, the two got out, called the other two back in and then killed both of those after they'd already been shot at. It was. It was pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 11:15

It was. You know, when I went to I think twice I went to go retrieve a bird and every single time like I couldn't get back to the blind because I just had to lay down. And then you think you're done and you start walking and I think I only made it like 30 yards and the birds came back again. So I'm laying back down. You know, I got the goose in my hand, I got the gun on the ground, like I'm just trying to stay low as possible and I'm trying to film too with with just the phone. And I remember there was one time where like oh, like all right, cool, like all the birds are gone. So I get up and I start walking back and all of a sudden there's there were two birds in the spread that I don't even think they knew and I don't. I don't know if they shot at them or or I think Justin and I think shot at one of them, cause eventually he found out and I think he shot one.

Speaker 2: 12:02

But crazy hunt. And then it got even better the last bird. I can't believe. I got it on film. The bird was just flying around above us and you can hear it in the audio. Pete was like, yeah, let's just let me out now, like just go for it. And you know Justin shoots it and he hits it and you can tell, you know the bird literally made like a big circle. And you hear Pete put it on the shell and put it on the shell, and they're scrambling around to you know, to get the shell and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 12:34

Shells were fine, you know, they were coming in so fast that nobody actually had the time, you know, or the wherewithal to put all the shells in their guns. So there was a lot of times that, you know, one person would stand up, pull the trigger and it would just go click. And he was like I forgot to put shells and like from the last it was just like go get the birds, get back in. You know, you know everybody. Just just the most important, one of the most important things, it was just got neglected and I just he click, pulls up, hits it, and then it was kind of high and it was gliding back around the black side of the blind. He pulls up to shoot it again, click. That's when I put another shell in here, Got it, Made a great shot, yeah, dropped it Just absolutely just dropped it.

Speaker 2: 13:18

That's what it's like shooting like we talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do talk about that line. It's 100% Like. I think the problem was when those birds first came in the first group that we had. There were just so many. And I think it just like you in the mindset and yeah, I think painting is 100% correct we all picked the same bird, which which does happen, but once everyone hit the same bird, it's like, oh shit, what did I do now? And I remember like I went to go shoot another bird and then, like it just was so chaotic that sometimes when you're, when you overthink it doesn't matter if you have a gun bow, whatever the case is, you know it can affect you, you know your shot and everything like that. But that instinct shot that Justin had on that one, I mean just absolutely a wicked shot. And then it got better, cause that was like we're already at peak. What we thought was peak.

Speaker 2: 14:08

We thought we were at our peak hunt and Justin was like you know what, like Justin's on a mission to kill a pheasant. So he's like why don't we go? Try to get ourselves a pheasant? So we drove to the literally it's the next property. It's like right over and we want to go walk the pheasant fields. There's a nice pond there, and what two. We had two ducks fly in while we're walking towards the pond. So we're like, oh, like, we're looking, we're like there's a bunch of ducks. There was like three or four ducks in the ponds. We're like, all right, let's see if we can sneak around and go get a shot. So we sneak around and we're sneaking, we're in the woods and all of a sudden two mallards just jumped up and started flying away and we popped both of them and we were able to get our ducks on the last day of a duck season, which we did not expect, and not mallards, we didn't see them earlier. So I think what was in there?

Speaker 1: 15:06

What was a? A couple of a couple of mugs, I think. Justin said he saw a gad wall dump in there and then those two mallards.

Speaker 2: 15:14

So yeah, just absolute shock. They had a you know the one that Pete and got himself. He had to go around, he got the bird and the Drake was literally in the middle of the pond. And we had a week Justin and I ended up going to get Chick-fil-A and we had to come back and we had to. Let just you know, the wind pull it in because we didn't bring any.

Speaker 2: 15:34

We didn't bring anything. No duck stuff, no kayak, no boat, no dog, no nothing. Just, you know, end of the day, on a high note, and it was pretty remarkable. I was, I'd say, a top three, top three moment this year for hunting. You know the Peyton's Bear, our waterfowl season, and then you know you know one of the deer hunts that I had. I mean, those are the top three so far of this season for sure, but that was a lot, but I don't think any Peyton's been busy. But, frank, you know what is. What have you been doing the last couple of weeks with deer season? You know we're winding down. I know muzzle loader ended Kind of what are you hunting private? Are you hunting public? Are you hunting both? Kind of? Break us down with that and what your seasons look like so far.

Speaker 3: 16:29

Yeah, so right now I'm actually I'm bow hunting again. I mean I have some private property not much, so I mainly stick to like. Right now I'm hunting federal land, because it's literally like like two miles down the road so you got tons of acres. So that's mainly where I've been, where I put a lot of my focus in. But it's just it's hard to get on them there because it's like when you so, you're not allowed.

Speaker 3: 17:04

There's so many different rules so you're not allowed to like scout until like two weeks before season. You know, so like you're already like behind the eight ball. I almost feel like there's obviously like there's no baiting either, you know. So it's almost like knowledge. So it's for me it's like since I grew up here and I kind of have an idea of what they do and where they go. That's been basically my focus, so it hasn't really worked out for me. Usually every time I go out I don't see them. I mean I'm not there. They're there, obviously, but you know I mean that it happens to everybody. But that's hot in the out there.

Speaker 2: 17:48

Yeah, that's hot in you know.

Speaker 3: 17:50

But I mean, I did have some excess on our on my dad's property up in New York state with the rifle I shot that eight pointer. You probably saw it on Instagram, yeah, yeah, that was actually the first time I seen him, so had no idea he came out of. He came actually out of our, our neighbor's cornfield, came running to our woods, you know, and I'm basically the only person that hunts the woods. So he was, you know. He had to come and run to me. The bad thing is, right before I shoot him he laid down behind the tree so I couldn't see him. So I was like literally watching him for like 20 minutes and I got lucky, cause my uncle shot a smaller eight pointer out in our open field and that chased up a bunch of deer into our woods. When the dose came running in, he stood up. He didn't know what was going on. So he's and they literally they came right to me so they literally walked him right to me. I just waited and shot him and he dropped right there.

Speaker 2: 19:01

That is. That's a can't ask for anything better. I mean, you got to take it as much as other hunters or sometimes can help you in such, even without meaning to like. You know, just that gunshot going off and it's like all right, the deer, it's curious, you know. It's like all right, what was that? Is that danger? Is it like, am I okay? Yada, yada, and that was just what you needed to to get that shot off. So that that's absolutely great. You know, the one thing he had again and we'll dive more when we when we officially, you know, sit down and for the, for the interview and everything like that. But you know, the, the no baiting thing, that's completely. You know, I get that right the no scouting up to two weeks. Do you know why? That? That's, that's there, dude. I just don't want people on there Like what's the case with that?

Speaker 3: 19:53

See, I never. That's one thing I never understood and they never could give me a clear answer when I have talked to them. Because, like, they let people, you know, walk and jog and use the kayaks all year around, you know, and I'm like, why can't you know if people are walking and jogging? Why can't we just be walking around scouting, you know?

Speaker 2: 20:15

Like it makes no sense to me at all you know, yeah, no, that's especially if you, if you have people doing other stuff, like obviously, like I don't have a weapon, I don't have anything like this. I'm not trying to put like. It's basically like I'm on a hike, you know, then that's what. You're on a hike, you're on a walk, you're doing what other people are doing, you're just taking, you know, notes down, you know maybe drop even if they don't let you drop, a camera, which is okay, no problem. You don't want cameras until you know two weeks, that's fine.

Speaker 1: 20:47

At least you know be able to get in there and do some scouting. And there's some permanence bands or stuff like that yeah no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 20:52

Yeah, because you're basically, when you, like I said, I always feel like I'm going in there, even though I know what they do, like you go in there blind because you know every year deer change, you know they don't always do the same thing, so it's like you're only relying on what they did last year.

Speaker 1: 21:07

You know Parts of me do like that.

Speaker 2: 21:09

I kind of no, no.

Speaker 2: 21:11

I don't get it Like it is a, it's a very unique and I do. It's not bad when you're so like when you have multiple spots, that's actually great. Like I'm not gonna lie, I would like to hunt a spot like that because there's no money going into it, there's no like all right, I'm just driving and I'm just gonna just hunt it and just go off of my knowledge, you know, and look at the map and everything like that and just use it. You know, I don't have to worry about putting a camera there, I don't have to worry about, you know, doing minerals, I don't have to worry about going out there really scouting at all. I can leave it there for the whole summer and nothing is going.

Speaker 2: 21:47

You know what I mean? Yeah, so if you can balance both, where you have another spot where you can do all that, you have some, you throw some private in, whatever the case is, it's like all right, like now, that's not bad. But if for someone say, you know someone's out there and he's like you know what, this is the only spot I hunt and everything like that, then well, you know what?

Speaker 2: 22:10

That's a little different, that kind of sucks for them, but I do agree with Peyton and I do like that as well. So we are about to get our other guest on here Because I imagine he's setting up, so we'll go a little more. But yeah, that's really unique and pretty interesting. I mean, I wonder if we have any. Do you know if we have any federal spots around us, Peyton?

Speaker 1: 22:43

Yeah, I think I can think of some, but they're a little bit, they're really far from me.

Speaker 2: 22:49

but yeah, everything's far from you.

Speaker 1: 22:54

Everything is far from me.

Speaker 2: 22:57

Everything is. But if it's far for you, then that means that it's pretty far out there, but maybe something we'll look into in the summer and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 23:05

But yeah, there might. I think there's more. I think there's a lot of it down Spread throughout the state, but I know South Jersey's got a lot to add to it.

Speaker 3: 23:14

Yeah, I know they're in South Jersey quite a bit and the good thing is like. So there's also like a no drive I didn't get to tell you guys this, but there's also like a no deer drive policy that they just won't affect. A couple of years ago.

Speaker 1: 23:26

I like that, oh wow I think you could gun hunt it too.

Speaker 3: 23:30

Yeah, yeah you could gun hunt it. There's just no driving deer, no more, which is awesome because I love it, because you know before we would have a group of you know 30 guys driving it all week, dorm buck week, all day long. You know so and I mean you can tell because there's literally there's. You see, you can see like the deer numbers and like the bucks in there or like they're getting huge because nobody could touch them almost. You know, they know where to go. They're not being driven out. I like that.

Speaker 1: 24:06

Yeah, yeah, federal usually means larger tracks and land too, so they can really kind of out walk you.

Speaker 3: 24:13

Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1: 24:14

But she's in a place like New Jersey where you can kind of you know you're limited to walking you know. I know that there's some places that I've talked to people about that you can get kind of some off road permanent, but you know, it's very few and far between that's.

Speaker 2: 24:30

I like it, like the sound of that, something we might have to dive into a little more in the off season. But let's see if our other special guest is ready. Steve, you're ready for us, maybe not yet, maybe not yet. So once he gets that all situated we will get into that. So, of course, right when I got off the phone with you, frank, my trail cameras started going off. Of course, six to seven doges, everything that I needed. I missed them by probably like 20 minutes, walking out, just you know, and hit both my camera, because these are I hunt two different, like it's in the same area but it's two different. Like there's a front spot that I hunt more morning and then back further is more of evening hunt sit, and they worked both of those within five minutes of each other. But, you know, just missed in and that's the thing. That's the thing at this point of the year, late season, less cover, the woods. I know the woods were, were drove during six day and ever since then, like it's, the woods change, you know, 100%, even with the cold, and I thought it was with the snow and the wind, and how cold now, like they're still, they can bed up across the street, which has is private and their fate, they're safe and they don't have to come in until after shooting light. You know, at this time we're hunting really smart deer.

Speaker 2: 26:15

But something I will say, two things that have anyone out there that's looking, that's filming their hunts, that's looking to get into filming their hunts, anything like that, especially if you're using a GoPro, I highly recommend picking this up right here. So it's a sub-tig, it's a portable charger and you basically, like I clip this on, clip the camera up, clip the camera up top and it will charge my GoPro. And usually GoPro batteries die really quickly so you're always having to change them, especially the colder it gets. But now I get to set it up and I can leave it on. So during the, the waterfowl season, the hunts that we've been doing, I'm leaving the GoPro on. You know it's easy to to connect, I don't have to worry about the batteries dying. So I'm going to get all the footage that I need to get.

Speaker 2: 27:06

Same thing like a day like today. You know, freezing, freezing out, it's snowing. You know GoPro batteries last me maybe, I don't know. I can't even get through an interview, so I'll start speaking yeah, this is. And then it cuts out and I'm like all right, well, that didn't work, so I do. I do highly recommend picking that up. And then something else I got this for Christmas. It is the Genus 3D printing. It is their, oh man, the hip hip yep, the hip pitch.

Speaker 2: 27:44

I used it for the first time today, actually loved it, and it was a huge difference. Now, no one I'm not saying you have to go out and spend your money, but anyone looking for something simple to make their long sits a little more comfortable. I actually would recommend this. I loved it. Now, for a short hunt would I use it? No, but for a hunt like today, where I was out there for a little longer, it's freezing cold or during the rut or something like that, I definitely could see why and why they came out with this and it's a pretty unique product. But now I think our second special guest is ready. So this is the second guy that is going to be joining Boondocks Hunting. You know him as Wild Pines Pursuit on Instagram. Steve, welcome to the team, welcome to the show. It is a pleasure to have both of you guys joining. And, yeah, let the listeners out there know something about you. Tell them something.

Speaker 4: 28:52

Oh, it's great to be here, guys. Can you hear me? All right? Yes, we can. Okay, so make sure it just kind of setting some things up and then we'll get to the next one. Yeah, my name is Steve Molnar. I live down in South Jersey. I'm really excited to be hanging out with you guys and pursuing everything that we do this year and getting some collaboration going and all that. It's going to be really awesome.

Speaker 4: 29:13

I grew up in South Jersey. I've traveled all over the country, worked in live television for the lion share of my career, got off the road about seven years ago, met my wife. Right after that I was on the road for a year and a half, got married shortly after, took a position at a local company and just got back into hunting about four years ago. I grew up with my dad and my uncle. Hunting started when I was like 10 years old here in South Jersey in the Shemong Tabernacle area and, as fate and would have it, that's where we're living again now after a long departure and hiatus from hunting. But it's been really awesome to get after it again and we've had some good success and we're having a lot of fun with it. So really excited to be here with you guys.

Speaker 2: 30:05

Love to hear it, and he's going to be our first South Jersey guy. Everyone's up here up north and everything like that, so I'm really excited for that too as well. It's something that we've all talked about getting down into South Jersey and everything like that, and with Peyton and everything like that, it's been coming up more and more and more often. South Jersey, why don't we start going a little south, things like that. So really excited for that. And you took a hiatus Now, when you're working, were you ever in states that you're like, oh man, I wish I could? Okay, so what states were you in where you're like I want, I wish I could be hunting right now?

Speaker 4: 30:47

Well, first off, I have to apologize because I didn't get the memo about having to have your deer behind you in the frame.

Speaker 2: 30:53

I'm going to work on that for the next one.

Speaker 4: 30:57

So let's see, I lived in Kentucky, tennessee, florida and Oregon and I could have had an elk tag for six years straight probably, living out there and muleys and everything else, but because I was on the road full time and I was so busy with all that, it just never came together. I actually even had guys I worked with that they were getting tags for elk and all of that. To be honest, it just didn't cross my mind at the time. I had other priorities, I had other hobbies and stuff like that. I kind of lived a pretty loner lifestyle.

Speaker 4: 31:34

So and honestly, I didn't have time for it. I mean, I was on the road at that point. I was on the road probably about 220, 230 days a year and as even when I came back east and I took a different position, I was still, I was on the road even more, like 270 days a year and I did all of postseason baseball. So I worked the entire rut and everything pretty much the whole time and I just I wouldn't even been able to take advantage of it. So the God has orchestrated some things where I have a lot more time now and it's been really cool. But I do, trust me, brother, I have remorse about all the missed opportunities and all the tags that it could have.

Speaker 2: 32:18

Yeah man, that, oh man, but you know what that's, that's, that's how it goes. Like same thing, like with hockey. You're traveling, like I was in Ohio, been all over, you know the Midwest, northeast, everywhere, like that, and it's like you're so busy like you don't think about it. But now looking back at it, it's like, oh man, that's a really great state. Like, oh, I wish I was out there hunting. Like I wish I was doing this, like that.

Speaker 4: 32:42

You know, and in retrospect too. It's funny now because the closest place for us to hunt, and for all of us, would be Elk, pa, and so this will actually be the third year that we'll be putting in tags, but the first year. So my two cousins and I, we have a deal worked out where we all put in for tags. If any one of us ever draws, we're all going. So, you know, that's just kind of that's how it's been, and in comparison, the ease of getting a tag in other states, especially as a resident, as compared to not just out of state but just the small amount of tags in PA for Elk, it's like all right, well, I might, I might get one before I die.

Speaker 1: 33:24

Yeah, is it a one-time draw?

Speaker 4: 33:27

No, I mean, I don't think it's once in a lifetime, but just like, just like some of the other states as soon as if you do draw or if you miss a year, then all of your points up to that point go away and you start all over again.

Speaker 1: 33:42

So you don't apply one year, so you apply for seven years and then you miss on year eight, year nine, your points are gone.

Speaker 4: 33:50

I believe so.

Speaker 1: 33:51

Yeah, oh wow. Well, it's the average kind of number of preference points. That's a great question.

Speaker 4: 33:59

That's a great question. I think it's hit or miss and the draws. There's three seasons, there's the both season, there's a regular season and then there's late season. And I think I'd have to look at the numbers. I'd be lying if I tried to shoot out a number. But it's not high. I think it's rare that it's over 200 for all three seasons. And of course there's a lot more Cal than Bull draws. So I don't know anyone that's drawn a tag in PA yet.

Speaker 1: 34:29

So it's discouraging. Neither do I. I don't think about starting. I might be a PA resident here in the near future, maybe.

Speaker 4: 34:38

I'll get a better odds. I don't know if it would. I don't know if it would or not, but I know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 34:44

I don't think it really does, because I think.

Speaker 1: 34:47

I don't think I know, I think some states it might, but maybe not the best. Yes, but not.

Speaker 2: 34:51

I don't think PA for PA, I don't think it does. I think it's just like and I have the same with Maine, I get my bonus. I got to check to see if I miss a year, Do I lose it Because I forgot to do it this year? So I'll be going on four or five years in a row and then this year I just ran it. Well, some of it was just so crazy that I just ran out of time. So I got to check that. Now that you said that I'm a little nervous Because like, oh, and mains are any hard enough, we're like same thing with PA, Like it's almost impossible. I know people have been doing it for 50 years and they still haven't drawn one.

Speaker 4: 35:29

So like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it's not, I don't, but I'm speaking out of turn or not on that. I'll double check that. There was something my cousin told me, so I thought that was the case. I didn't.

Speaker 2: 35:39

I do. It would make sense. But it would make sense, so like it would. You know that's how it would be. Like it does make sense Because like, let's be honest like it's more money in the pockets of the state, so like for them, like it doesn't make sense, like you know.

Speaker 4: 35:56

but that is something, though. That's that's. That's cool, though that they'll do in series with that is, if you decide you can't make the hunt that year, but you just want to get your point for the year so that you know you're not going to miss out. You don't have to put in for the actual hunt so you won't. They won't put you in the lottery for the draw, but you'll get the points for the subsequent years.

Speaker 1: 36:19

So, that's what we've done in the past To buy the license.

Speaker 4: 36:22

Yeah Well, you don't have to buy the license, you're just buying basically a spot, the points, and I think it's like 12 or $13, maybe 15 max. So that's what we've done at all, no, all. You're literally just buying a spot and then, if you choose to enter the draw, then that's when permits and fees would change.

Speaker 1: 36:41

Mike, we and you were talking about, and we might have just this, might have been just me looking at the wrong thing, because I've got no idea what we're doing. We've always talked about looking at canvas, not canvas Kansas.

Speaker 2: 36:53

Yes, yeah, we're talking about yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:55

Yeah, Some of those states and putting in and I don't know why. What I was seeing was like $200. And I am after you're saying this now. I think that I might just have been looking at the wrong thing.

Speaker 2: 37:07

Well, you know, you know what with those are the big hitter states. So, like when people are thinking dear, like those are states, like when you think elk, you're not really thinking PA, you're really not. You know. You're thinking Colorado, you're thinking Utah, you're thinking Washington, like you know New Mexico, like those places. So it might be a little different over there if you have to draw Like I'm not, I'm not sure how it works out over there, but it might be one of those things where it's like they might push up the price a little more just to enter the lottery, just because those are the it states. You know it would make sense like ending.

Speaker 1: 37:44

I know Virginia is hoping they're opened up their hunt. Fairly recently Kentucky's had a hunt for a little while.

Speaker 2: 37:50

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:50

Maryland. Looked at reintroduction in my lifetime but it was rejected by the people in the town, which is a real bomber. But you know again, you don't know what it's like to live there. Maybe they had their good reasons that I'm not aware of, but yeah, those same people want to introduce wolves to Maryland. I actually think that those people would be very against wolves also. We, we hope so we we hope so, we hope so yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:21

Now we want to go down for the sick of deer right.

Speaker 1: 38:25

Yeah for sick of deer.

Speaker 2: 38:27

Is there a draw? There's no draw for that right. You said.

Speaker 1: 38:31

I don't believe so. I'd have to double check. But I don't believe so. I think it might be a first come, first serve, but I think you can just buy a tag there's already enough.

Speaker 4: 38:47

There's already enough to turn hunting sick of deer as elusive, and all that as they are right.

Speaker 1: 38:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's the whole process. That is going to be tough. I think that that's something that I want to do. But it's not like a lot of the other out of state hunts that I've done where I've had fairly confident in it's like this one. I have to really hype myself up because I confidence in it and coming away successful for at least a few years is very, very low. It is I just walking in that swamp, similar swamp duck hunting.

Speaker 1: 39:23

It is just a different kind of brutal Just marsh and yes, you're making me so excited, I'm just going in filling up your waiters and all that mosquitoes and sounds like it It'll be worth it in the end but it'll be one of those type two fun kind of moments.

Speaker 2: 39:44

Hey, Bianca, whatever we scheduled this, you have to tell me that we got a wedding or something to do and I can't get it. So I'm all for it and I'm going to go ahead and get it.

Speaker 1: 39:54

So I'm all for it and I'm going to go, but just for a warning it will be type two fun. We have a term for that down here.

Speaker 2: 40:03

What's what's here? What's what's that term?

Speaker 4: 40:06

We have a term for that down here Embrace the suck.

Speaker 2: 40:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's what it like. That's what it is like today. Snow, especially when you get lots of snow, I love hunting in it, but, oh my God, it is one of the toughest conditions to hunt in because you could barely move. I'll never forget I was climbing up a ridge. I think this is back like when we actually got like good snow, so I think like 2014, 2015. And I've climbed this ridge so many time without snow and it's like all right, 15, 20 minute walk, I can, I can get there, I can get down and up, no problem.

Speaker 2: 40:45

The first snow storm is real bad. It snowed for a few days. Got out there and like, oh, I'm so excited, I love hunting in the snow. Get out there, now it froze top over, so I'm walking on the on the frozen part of the snow, but it was, you know, sun was already out, starting to melt a little bit. So every like four or five steps, you fall through and then. So now I'm up till probably like my knees, maybe a little higher than my knees, and you have to get, you know, wiggle yourself up and get everything like that, and you walk a little bit and then you fall back through and then you start crawling on top because you think that's going to work and literally I think maybe a 20 minute walk took me an hour and 15 minutes and I thought I was going to die. My heart rate was like I would just did the biggest cardio, like work, out of my life. Like I was sweat. I was literally taking clothes off and I was sweating and it was just absolutely brutal. Once you got to the spot, it was like all right, like this, this is, this is beautiful. Like all right, this is what I wanted. But damn, now I'm going to have to walk back all the way out. Like this is not going to be fun and you know so. Like, yeah, I'm braced, I like that a lot because you got to.

Speaker 2: 41:58

You know to get the job done, especially or not even to get it done, not even to kill an animal, just to do what we love and to put ourselves in. You know positions to potentially see an animal and to experience. You know nature of the way that we like to and you know everything that it has to offer. Sometimes you definitely have to embrace the suck. Like you, you're going to. You're going to go through some stuff If you're going through thorn bushes and ripping yourself up and you, yeah, yeah, the thorns are getting right into your fingers and yeah, like that sucks Early season, it's hot, you got mosquitoes all over the place, you're, you're eating alive. Or if you get poison ivy on you, like it sucks but it becomes all worth it the minute you get up into your st-stand or saddle or blind or whatever it is. Then you know you're like all right, that was a hundred percent worth it and you know the memories that we create. Could it ask for better memories for?

Speaker 4: 43:00

sure there's an element of masochism to it. There's no doubt about it. I mean, it's what we sign up for, right? I remember coming home after scouting probably it was July and just was getting into some really thick stuff and just got totally tore up. I came home my kids asked me when I got attacked by out the woods. It was like no, no, no, no, Papa just ran into some thorns, that's all. Yeah, Lots of them.

Speaker 2: 43:28

Oh yeah, oh man. So hunting down in South Jersey, you know, give us a little description of like what that's like. Like I said earlier in the episode with Frank, you know we're going to sit down and have our full length interview and dive deep into to a lot of topics when we when we really sit down and talk. But give us a quick background on what it's like hunting in South Jersey. You know it's completely different from where we're up here. You know the terrain, you know the deer habitat to. You know just how the deer act, you know. So run us that down real quick.

Speaker 4: 44:04

OK, do my best. So it's pretty diverse. But we have a lot of wetlands. I don't know how it is. I've never hunted up in North Jersey. A cousin lives in Howell who hunts actually some of the parks up there. But down here we have a lot of wetlands so a lot of swamps. Wharton State, I mean it's the pine barrens, so it's basically a lot of brackish water, a lot of cedars, a lot of scrub pines, but then there's also a lot of a lot of areas with, you know, deciduous trees where you've got oaks, you've got hickories, you've got all different. You know a very diverse species.

Speaker 4: 44:48

So I think, as far as hunting is concerned, for myself since I've been back I've mostly been looking at public lands that are owned. I haven't really ventured into the big forest like Wharton or, you know, brendan Brine. I mostly have stuck to the township public properties sub 20 acre spots, the place that I've been hunting mostly in the past, hunting mostly in the late season. This year I've only been able to hunt there three times because all the rain we have gotten, it floods completely every time. I mean it's just going in with waders or whatever and then the deer don't come in, I mean into those areas necessarily. There, you know, their patterns change because of those environments. Not that they're you know, not that they avoid it necessarily, but they're looking for food elsewhere because everything's flooded right the rest of the year. I mean we have some other small pieces that we've been in, but I mean, on the whole, I'm honestly still figuring a lot of it out. As far as hunting South Jersey and hunting this area. There are one, two, three, four, five, about six different public pieces that I've been on this year and I've killed a different deer. I've killed a deer in three different spots of those six. So I mean it's relatively diverse terrain. I mean you can wind up in Wharton State Forest where it's all sand, I would say a large portion. Certain parts of Wharton State are that very sandy pine barrens area and it's scrub pines and it's a lot of browsing that the deer are doing because there are no fields, there are no sources.

Speaker 4: 46:42

You know we're trying to position ourselves. The guys that I've been hunting with we're trying to get on private. It's very difficult. You have a better chance of asking one of those farmers if you can marry their daughter than it is for you to get permission to hunt on their land. So you know we're working those relationships and, you know, trying to make them symbiotic and all that Just beat the pavement and that's definitely what we're going to be doing this spring. Winter have already actually just went and I spoke with one of the farmers in our area. We have permission on a piece of private for Turkey, but only for Turkey, but it butts up to their field. Well, I called two jakes and a tom 500 yards across this person's field that I just asked for permission to just retrieve on their property. And you know we're hoping that. You know that's another entrance to a relationship. So, like I said, I think the best answer you know, after saying all that, is that we're still figuring it out.

Speaker 2: 47:45

That is a good strategy.

Speaker 1: 47:45

Something I haven't really thought of is that people might be more willing to let you Turkey hunt there than they would be to deer hunt there, for whatever reason. You know they might already know some people that are deer hunting now might already know some people that are deer hunting there. You know there's often talks about like there's a little different perception of shooting a bird than shooting. You know a mammal, you know somebody that's not as familiar with hunting. So it might be great. You know, even though you might not be as interested in Turkey hunting, it might be and you really want to do your hunt this place. It might be a good foot in the door Make the relationship, you know 100.

Speaker 1: 48:25

It's like same thing, like getting a job at a company, and the job might be what you want, but it's the company you want to work at. So yeah, foot in the door.

Speaker 4: 48:33

Yeah, there's so, and I'll get into the full story of this another time. But I got a trail. I had a trail camera stolen this year and I got it back. I'll tell you that story another time. But I was going to ask permission on this person's property. That brought it up to the public and I didn't get permission to deer hunt because he already had somebody there.

Speaker 4: 48:57

But I asked him about Turkey hunting, because I know the birds are in there for the spring, and he said, oh, we had some guys in here before and because it's you know, without giving too much away, they have a greenhouse. And so he's like, oh, we had pellets hitting the tops of the greenhouse. Is that off to ask my wife this or that? I said, ok, what if I bow hunt? He said let me talk to the wife. I said, all right, I'll circle back, that's fine. So you know that's a. That's a second property that we're looking into. You know, possibly just being able to have access to shoot birds in the field on rainy days. That's where the turkeys love to be. So if you can up your, find an advantage, you know, take advantage of that advantage, right?

Speaker 2: 49:39

So yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah yeah and we will. We will be having a lot of turkey talk for a turkey talk segment this year, so we will be diving a lot into that and that will be really more run by probably Peyton and Justin and you guys me being the newbie, and Kyle and stuff like they will be like Talking about that. Usually I learn a lot during during the turkey talk segment. I'm more of just sitting here just like, ok, yep, that's the key, let me, let me write that down and let me write that down and all right. So like that's kind of how I learned about my turkey hunting is through through the guys during our turkey talk segment.

Speaker 1: 50:19

But it's my revenge.

Speaker 2: 50:21

Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, which? Yeah, we know you do so and I don't even. We got the forecast. You know we're moving into to this week's hunt. We had snow today, south Jersey. What would you guys get? Did you guys get any snow?

Speaker 4: 50:43

Yeah, we got snow, we got a dusting, turned into pretty icy conditions on the way home tonight, but we really only got maybe an inch and a half, but I think it's forecasted for about two and a half inches for Friday.

Speaker 2: 50:57

So yeah, yeah, friday. Friday storm supposed to be a little bigger than today's, so I took Friday off. So I will be out in the in the woods Friday, but Saturday too I. Unfortunately I'll be working Saturday, but if people can get out on Saturday, that Friday Saturday we're looking on Friday 20 degrees high, 28, low 12, which we're going to have some snow, and then Saturday is going to be a high of 19 with a low of 11. If I was not where, if I did not need to be in work, I would be very excited to be out, and I mean, let me not say very excited, because I'll be freezing, yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:38

But it's a new Christmas, cold weather here to put the test.

Speaker 3: 51:42

Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1: 51:43

But I think I have to work.

Speaker 2: 51:46

It's the cold weather gear is amazing, like I'm running sick or whatever you're running, it's great. All this stuff works, I like. Today I was perfectly warm, everything was warm. I'm good, except for the last 30 minutes after that sun goes down. I don't think it matters at all. The two little fingers that I had showing because of the gloves, and I have to have the finger frozen anytime in it. You know Frank text, and I was like, yeah, you're going to have to wait until, like, my fingers are just absolutely frozen right now, you know, and the toes and the feet, that that's the that, but it's the worst. I feel like that's the worst part when it's the fingers and the feet that go for some reason. I don't care how warm my core is, I just feel cold. Yeah, and I forgot my wool socks today too, so that did not help me either, but I don't know.

Speaker 4: 52:42

I was listening to you guys podcast your last podcast. You guys did an excellent job of explaining about how the cooler works, your temperature and about why the extremities get cold, and like that was super informative. That was great.

Speaker 2: 52:55

Yeah, you know, it's something that I watch a lot of the survival stuff. So I'm really big into survival stuff and that's something that they watch.

Speaker 1: 53:05

I never watched that all the time. Girl watch the survivor man and yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:10

And now with YouTube, everything's on YouTube. So like there are times like I'll be sitting in bed and you know, bianco, like what the hell are you watching? I'm like I'm watching some guy dig like a trench and he's going to stay outside in, you know in Alaska, for like three or four days and, you know, survive on just nothing but his own shelter that he made and everything like that. And she's like what is wrong with you? She goes you're never going to be in that. I was like I hope I'm never going to be in that situation. But gosh forbid. Like you know, look at what we do. Look at what we do Like you never know. So I like to learn all this information. But that's where you know with the corn, everything like that, and just you make that mistake so many times during this time of year.

Speaker 2: 53:52

You overdress walking in and then once you climbed and everything you're, you're soaked and I think that's the biggest problem. Like, even if you don't need second, you don't need. You know first light, you don't need all these If you're just going to Walmart and getting your camel there and you're just just don't layer up until you you get in and you'll, it's a big difference. You know, you could have the most expensive clothing in the world and the best, but if you're wet, yeah, throw that out the door. That doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 4: 54:28

I think a lot of people major on trying to get the right, the right gear. Maybe I don't care what your experience level is when new products come out. You want to try new stuff. I think buying all that stuff is great, but if you don't have the budget for it, I mean I'm putting myself in that camp for this year, like I did when first light had their sale. I did buy their solitude jacket. I was like awesome, but I'm like I'm not buying the bib. I don't have the money for that, so I'm expensive.

Speaker 1: 55:00

Neither yeah Same boat.

Speaker 4: 55:02

But I have the whitetail, I have the whitetail catalyst.

Speaker 1: 55:05

That's what I have. Same, yeah, so this is what.

Speaker 4: 55:08

I did. I'm sitting there in my head and I'm like you know what I know. I have cold weather gears. I have snowboarded and done winter sports my whole life and I was like you know what. I have a pair of Patagonia synthetic insulated pants. I'm like I can throw those on underneath and that's free and I can just put those on with the regular long johns and I don't need to spend another $200, even if it's on sale for another bib. Like I can make this work. And I think those are little hacks and stuff that you know. I think that you know a lot of people take advantage of that.

Speaker 2: 55:45

Your base layers are extremely important, yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:48

I think, your base layers are going to be extremely important and as much as I wear, you know, I have the bib and everything like that I still, you know, paint we've talked about, and paint will really tell you he gets cold, I think, regardless. You know we're skinnier guys, you know. So we get real cold real quick. I'll throw on, I think, a Patagonia sweatshirt. It's a real thick sweater. It's supposed to be worn out to dinner and to let, but it's so thick and so warm that I wear that.

Speaker 1: 56:16

I think I know what you're talking about yeah, yeah, yeah, the better sweater.

Speaker 2: 56:21

Yeah, the better.

Speaker 1: 56:23

Listen, that thing is crazy warm yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:26

Yes, and I'll wear that. And it's like, why not? Like, why not?

Speaker 1: 56:30

I think you know only that we're talking about cheaper options, but then we've gone straight to Pataguchi, but there's just not really that much better. But it doesn't necessarily have the print, the camo print tax associated with it. I guess yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:43

You know what I like about it, though it's a multi. You can go to a nice dinner and wear that or you could be in the deer woods or shooting waterfowl, so you know what it really. We got our money's worth out of that, like as much as I love my sick or whatever I wear. But I'll just get really bad, especially if I walk in somewhere with my waders on my real nice warm waders. I would be getting started. I like I can't do that. I can't go to a nice restaurant. I'm trying to get over that.

Speaker 2: 57:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:12

I actually, after we left the goose field, I had to go to Hoboken to pick up my dry cleaning and I didn't stop to change my clothes, so I still had my the muddy pants on and the the Sidker jacket on. There was definitely some funny looks, especially from my dry cleaning guy, but being in Hoboken but I've kind of gotten over that. You should have asked him directly in your hunting class. What'd you say?

Speaker 2: 57:35

You should have asked him to dry clean your hunting clothes.

Speaker 1: 57:37

I don't know if he does that for free. I'd have to ask.

Speaker 2: 57:43

But, um, so, yeah, good weather, um, anything else that we, we, we need to talk about on this episode. I don't really know what. We're going to keep this one short, like we do um, steve, you missed it Like our weekly episodes that we do, they're they're going to be roughly 45 minutes an hour. Once we get into the off season, our detailed interview question and a podcast are roughly an hour 32 hours. Um, so we basically we re record normally every Monday, today's, uh, tuesday, uh, we had to do something yesterday so we were not able to record yesterday's, but we usually record every Monday and we just give it update and this is what we're going to be doing.

Speaker 2: 58:26

I think from here on out, every hunting season is give updates every week and you know, whenever people come on, whatever the case is, that's when we're going to give her like hey, you know, this happened, yada, yada, yada, because there's so much that goes on to season, and if we do that every two week or every month, there's so much that's forgotten and it's like, oh, because so much new stuff came up, so many. You know there's always going to be an interest, especially during the, the main part from between, and if September to November, end of November, just like too much is going on and you know we'd rather it be like hey, let's just do it right away in it, that's a good time to talk. Like it gives us an excuse to always sit down and talk about hunting and you know bounce ideas off each other and everything like that.

Speaker 4: 59:15

So um, as if an excuse was necessary.

Speaker 2: 59:17

Right, um, what? Um, like I said, really excited. We are going to be hosting our game dinner everyone. It is official, it is going to be April 6th. I'm going to be probably posting it either tomorrow sometime this week the first um notification about it for everyone out there. Um, it is going to be, you're going to have to. It's going to be 25 for adults. It is going to be for kids, I think 13 to 13 and up, it's going to be $10 and then anything below the age of 12 and below will be free.

Speaker 2: 59:58

Um, we are going to be doing a raffle. Uh, we might be doing a turkey calling competition for any. Uh, turkey calling guys out there or or gals out there. Um, confirmed already that. I think I already said this on the last one. But bear, of course, is going to definitely be on the menu. Um, I we're hoping we can get some squirrel on the menu. Deer is going to, of course, going to be on the menu.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

It is going to be opening day of trout season. So anyone out there who's going to be traveling in, if you want, bring your fishing pole. Um, we can trout fish during the day before the event. Go to the event or you can come out with us the next day on Sunday to and and trout fish if you want to as well. We're going to be trout fishing, eating food and, you know, having a good time the whole entire time. The place does have a bar. It is a um, it's a cash bar, so everyone out there, just remember that if, if you are going to have a few drinks, um, it is going to be cash only.

Speaker 2: 1:01:00

Um, we're probably going to be catering some food as well. Probably do pizza and stuff, stuff like that, for, you know, people who may not want to have, you know, bear or you know all these other stuff. We are going to be giving another food option as well. Um, we'll have some merch there as well. We'll probably do some podcast, something like that. We're we're still coming up with what we're going to be doing, uh, but, confirmed, we are going to be having a game dinner. It's going to be our first annual game dinner, um, and really excited to do that, really excited for to meet you guys in person, um, and to meet everyone of you guys out there in person and, uh, you know, have some good stories and have a few laughs and everything like that, and um, yeah, I think that is that's going to be it for this episode, guys. Any last words?

Speaker 4: 1:01:46

Where are you from Frank?

Speaker 3: 1:01:48

Oh, I'm from. Uh, I'm up in Watt, New Jersey, Sussex County. Okay, Nice.

Speaker 4: 1:01:53

I'm sorry, I probably missed that in the beginning.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

I can't remember if we talked about did we, did we tell you we did right? I'm not sure if that was before.

Speaker 1: 1:02:01

Actually that might have. Uh, the point had been before we started recording. Yeah, it might have been before we started recording. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:02:08

But he did mention where he went when he did his, when he introduced. But I think we asked, but you asked before the recording. Um, yeah, we're all North Jersey guys, like all, all of us North Jersey, you know, we're all, we're all pretty close within, I would say, probably like an hour hour 15, 20 minutes away from each other. Um, nice, so yeah, it's uh, and you know, knowing with Peyton, he may now be closer to you, you know, by by come next year. So, uh, you, know, so who knows?

Speaker 2: 1:02:41

But thank you everyone for for tuning in. I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Another thing um, make sure you guys go check out um racketter. It is one of our, one of our good friends. Um, he does a lot of great stuff for us. Um, we lose a lot of his product especially. You know I I can't say I've been, I've been using racketter now for I don't even know how long um, you know, loved the, especially the cover sense, huge cover, sent guy in with it being winter.

Speaker 2: 1:03:10

Um, my huge mineral person, I love minerals. I love to get my minerals out there for the deer. Um help with the. You know these bucks they've been through a lot, losing probably up to 35% of their body weight, so they do need some good minerals in there. And then you know the dose out there they're going to be carried. They're, you know, going to be pregnant soon. They're. They're going to need as much health as they can and as much help as they can. And you know it is winter, it is pretty harsh out there for them, especially if we're going to have a normal, normal winter this year with snow and everything like that. They're going to need all the help they can get. So go check it out, go get yourself some mineral and help out your, your deer herd there and, um, yeah, I think. I think that's all guys, and we'll see you guys next time.