Speaker 2: 0:04

you welcome back to a garnt state outdoors and podcast presented by boondocks hunting. I'm your host, mic nitray I'm justin devlin and today we got a good one for you, we got a special one. I don't want to hype them up too much, but we got chris from only bows and I do not want you guys to mistake that. For only fans. Yes, they do a lot of filming, but not in that type of content.

Speaker 3: 1:17

We what's up how's it going, everybody?

Speaker 2: 1:22

oh man, so we we've been going back and forth. You got some some free time after coming to our event as well. I mean first time meeting each other in person. We've been talking for a little bit, man, how's it going like? Well, give us a quick backstory. I'm rambling on here. Give us a quick backstory about you. Know you how you got into hunting things, things like that?

Speaker 3: 1:47

all right, um, all right, where do I begin?

Speaker 3: 1:50

All right, it's still all. Started in 1805, when my grandpappy took me out with my rifle. No, um, no, about a probably 23 years ago now. I started hunting um, probably a little bit before that you're shooting squirrels with my baby gun, but, um, you know, I've been. I've been hunting for a little while now.

Speaker 3: 2:12

I really, in 2015, kind of made the decision like, hey, I want to, uh, I want to challenge myself a little more. So I pretty much exclusively switched to archery hunting. Um, at that point, I pretty much exclusively switched to fly fishing as well. Um, I don't really, you know, there's really no real good story behind it. I just wanted to make it a little bit more challenging on myself and and I I really haven't looked back since, um, as far as how only bows came about.

Speaker 3: 2:45

Um, back in 2013, and actually prior to that, I had started sharing um all my outdoor photos on facebook. I just had public albums um that I would just photo dump everything that I had and just, you know, let people, you know, view them as they wanted to. As instagram came about, I started a hucklebuck outdoors, um, with a couple of my friends, and that really was just something where it was like another spot where we could just kind of photo dump everything and just kind of kind of share the adventure with everybody. Um, I kind of fell out of it for a little while. You know it I don't want to say social media, I didn't really see it as like a thing that you know that I wanted to really get into um and then I started in. I realized in the 2021 season that I was reaching for my camera more than I was for my actual bow. So in 2021 I started the sharp stick um, really, I just wanted a place where I wasn't my personal page. It was just something that I could have in the public and just let people kind of share along in my outdoor journey. Um, what? What happened last year? While we were shooting at um at the frost lane hunt club, somebody said something, um about another only website and I spun around and said, oh, oh, you mean only bows. So about two seconds later and this is all on video too, I actually have the video of this I spun around on my heels and said wait a second, go on instagram and see if that's an actual thing. So I went I I went on instagram. About two minutes later I'm down at the target. I didn't even pull my arrows yet and I'm creating the only bows instagram.

Speaker 3: 4:30

I kind of did it as a joke, it really wasn't meant to be anything serious, but I realized that it it kind of took on a life of its own with really no effort. Only bows really just started gaining followers and gaining traction with really no effort on my part. And, uh, this year I think it was january, december, january I kind of made the, the decision to kind of shelve the sharp stick and instead of, instead of pushing two brands, I said why don't I just go with something that's relatable, that people, you know, they, they get it, they think it's funny. Let's just move forward with this. Um, I made that decision. It it was tough because the sharp stick was kind of my baby and I put a little bit of effort into that.

Speaker 3: 5:13

But following that um, only bows is really kind of taken off. It's kind of taken on a life of its own. People love it and, uh, you know, since then it's just been a steady uphill climb and we're, uh, we're moving forward and, as you seem like you know just what we're doing so far this year and it's not even the season yet we're uh, we're looking to do some big things this year. Next year, definitely it's. Uh, we've got some even bigger things in in the works. Um, I don't want to give too many spoiler alerts, but we are going to take some trips, um. So there there's. There's a lot more coming for uh, for only bows.

Speaker 2: 5:48

So you know just definitely I'm stick around oh yeah, I mean, and we're excited to see what you guys got in store. I mean, it's only bows, you know, before we get into you know you hunting, you know at your younger age and everything like that, but just on, only bows alone. I mean, it is so catchy and it's kind of something like the minute you you looked it up, it's like all right, nobody else has come up with it. And it's like, first of all, how the hell is no one else come up with it? I mean you got one of the bigger brands, as in only fans, and all you had to do was change to bows, and archery is becoming more and more and popular and just bigger.

Speaker 2: 6:37

And that's what, when you want to challenge yourself, that's what you really switched to. You know whether it's a compound bow and whether it's, you know, trad or whatever you're shooting. I mean that's the pure challenge right there. So it's like all that just put together, only bows is just, and the logo is just absolute fire as as well. So you know, you guys got yourself something good there and it's it's funny, but it's yet like it's serious because I mean it's guys. You know, for people who weren't at our shoot and weren't, you know, listened to us for the first time in. Whatever the case is, these guys come to work hard and play hard and their filming equipment and everything they got, I mean, is top notch like it. It was very impressive and I absolutely, I absolutely loved it. I'm enjoying what we're, what we get to see from you guys oh, thank you, man.

Speaker 3: 7:29

I definitely appreciate it. I appreciate the support, man. It was definitely uh, you know, not for nothing. It was definitely great for you to put that on this weekend. Um, you know, just thank you for inviting us out, where we were happy to be there and we're looking forward to the next one oh yeah, now, definitely it is.

Speaker 2: 7:43

It is going to be in the works at some point soon. We're, we're gonna try. I think what we all decide is hopefully august, but you know, then we're getting close to season and then you know we're already everyone's already far behind, I feel like so far this season, with getting trail cameras out and everything like that. But you guys in because you hunt mainly upstate new york, correct?

Speaker 3: 8:05

yes, uh, we're. We're about um an hour to an hour and a half outside of new york city. Um, we're not quite upstate, if you will quote unquote, but we are, um we're right at the pretty much the base of the cad scale mountains okay, cool, um, so that means your season opens up, october first yes, there's a uh new york's in uh 2021.

Speaker 3: 8:27

They implemented a special um antler list season in september, so we get a week, whether it's bow, you know, firearms, anything you can basically hunt does with any implement um, so we can actually get out a week beforehand. All the last years and um, so we've been successful both years. So this year it's uh, you know. Hopefully we can be equally successful oh, okay, that's, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 8:53

I didn't, I didn't know they did that. Um, that's unique. I mean, we get, we start when we start, september 9th. We're 14 weeks away until we can, uh, pulling some arrows, that you know some deer and everything like that. But now let's take it back to the beginning. When did it all start for you? Did you grow up in a hunting household? You know what did that like, look like if you did, and you know what?

Speaker 3: 9:18

would you do at a young?

Speaker 3: 9:19

age to get yourself into the outdoors well, actually, I grew up in the exact opposite of an outdoor household, um, if you will, um, but I'll tell you a quick anecdote. Uh, my, my mother and father split when I was very young and one of the one of the lines in my mother's divorce papers was actually that my father hunted and fished way too much. So imagine how she feels now seeing that this is basically my lifestyle. I, I guess, I guess, for, for you know, the first part of of my life, it really I didn't have that great exposure to it. Um, and then it was just something that I was naturally drawn to. I started fishing and I loved it, and then, you know, I finally was able to actually get out in the woods, um, with a BB gun, at first, me and my friends, and from there it just kind of progressed.

Speaker 3: 10:13

Um, but I was, I was definitely one of those kids that I I didn't play video. You know, I always like telling, telling people. I kind of pride myself on. I didn't really have my first video game console till I was 22. Um, like I loved being outside. I didn't, I didn't want, I wasn't that kid that was sitting inside watching cartoons on a saturday morning, like we were out, we were doing anything that we could outside, so it really was just a natural progression of you know, this is what some of my friends do. This was some of my friends, fathers, do. So I, I had some exposure to it and it was just something that I kind of wanted to, you know, sink my teeth into and, um, I kind of just dove in head first and, uh, that was that, was it um, I think, I think that's a big thing with with most kids getting into it, or the lack of kids getting into it is the fact of the lack of exposure.

Speaker 1: 11:02

You know, like I've taken so many kids fishing, at least in, uh in my town, where you know being in in the outdoors is not totally normal, honestly, and uh, like they've fallen in love with it and then gone out fishing on the road and now they do it consistently, things like that it's, it's definitely a lack of exposure, in my opinion, to why more kids don't do or don't grow up the way that we did, you know yeah, um, and I mean you guys met, met my buddy john.

Speaker 3: 11:27

He's uh, he's one of our team team members here at only bows a year ago. He was not a hunter, he had never shot a bow before. Last year I got him to start shooting one of my old bows. We set him up, got him practicing. He went and took his hunter safety course. I got him out in the woods a couple days last year and now you see he's coming out and and he's all about it and he never had that exposure.

Speaker 3: 11:49

Um, so really that's something that that we pride ourselves on is kind of bringing new people out like you guys. You guys met jimmy. Jimmy is has zero exposure to it and now he wants him because he sees there's there's more to it than just what what you may be led to believe. Like, so, as people get out, like jimmy's been fishing a bunch of times, he loves it. Um, john's been out hunting, he loves it. John's girlfriend, gloria, she's getting into it, she's finishing her hunter safety course. Like that's something that we like to do here, um, and that's something that I've always liked to do just throughout my whole life, is try and help other people get out there and experience this um and and that's, you know, a big thing.

Speaker 2: 12:34

I think that part of we talk about a lot on this podcast. That's what we want to do. Like you met american mike for the first time and you know that's what he excels at, you know. Just just to tell you firsthand too. I mean, he lives from in jersey city and I was actually just talking about this in a podcast the last night that I was doing and you know jersey city.

Speaker 2: 12:56

For anyone who doesn't know what jersey city is, I mean you either get a wealthy area of jersey city, like the business area, or you're getting you know the the uh, the opposite of that and it's not like you're. You're getting you got the hood right where they don't know hunting and fishing and you know stuff like that. But mike has excelled at getting people like that interested in the outdoors and has grown that side of it where and you know also not only that, but you know getting other races and involved you know and different backgrounds and different cultures, and that's something that's extremely important too. So, regardless of who you are and where you're from man, female, black, white, asian, doesn't matter, like this is for everybody and the way that we're going to grow it is by just hey, you want to know something about hunting? Come on and come out there.

Speaker 2: 13:54

You know we had two people at our event on saturday. Um, the guy he's brand new to it, you know, he just got himself a crossbow. I met him that monday before the event and I told him to come out like hey, if you want to learn, come learn, hit me up whenever you want, email me. We've been emailing back and forth. He's been asking questions, you know. So it's all about growing the outdoors any way you can. You know, and getting you know the people who didn't get to grow up like us or experience the things that we did, because, honestly, there's nothing better than being outside in the woods and the things that we see.

Speaker 3: 14:32

Just on one hunt alone is more than what most people see in their and their lifetime no, I totally agree with that, and that's something that showing people some, some of just the photographs that's that's kind of what got me into this was I just started taking pictures of everything, whether it was hawks landing hawks or owls landing 10 feet in front of me, just sitting there goose hunting out on the river and watching the sunset come down.

Speaker 3: 14:57

It was, it's just there. There's certain things that you get to experience that people take for granted, um, that once you're actually out there and you can sit and you can watch, like I, like I've seen on the, the one piece of property that I hunt we had a fox come by and I saw him three times this year and every time he came very close to me and I was. I I mean I could have shot him, but you know why would I? It's beautiful just sitting there taking pictures of him, so actually getting people out there and they realized that it's a little bit more than just, oh, we're just a bunch of blood thirsty killers, like. No, it's a little bit more than that. Um, I think that's kind of the important thing is opening people's eyes to what's actually out in front of them in the wild yeah, and something I love to say healing is one percent of it.

Speaker 2: 15:42

Like honestly, like there is so much that goes into how many animals do you actually kill? Maybe maybe one percent of what we actually do. I mean, it goes from off season to post season to you know tracking, to setting up stands or saddles or getting your bow to everything you know, and then when you are hunting, I mean, how many deer are you actually actually killing?

Speaker 3: 16:10

well, the problem if you sit there and you break it down into minutes and you just think about the actual time spent in minutes of you pulling your bow back or you, you know, pulling the trigger on on a deer, gutting that deer, dragging it out, processing it, you know it's. It's minuscule, um, in comparison, like you said, it's less, one percent, maybe less of the time actually spent. You know, preparing for the outdoors and preparing for the hunt and everything that I mean. Look at this, like just this, this is, this is part of it. We're sitting here talking about it. You know this is something that we do. You know, weekly, sometimes several times a week, and the you know, this is it, this, this, all this is all time spent, whether you know we're doing this and we're sitting here talking about tactics or equipment, or you know the community or anything like that, or we're shooting or we're out scouting or just taking any of it. All of that adds up and you are right, it's probably less than one percent of the time is actually the, the kill.

Speaker 2: 17:08

So, yeah, definitely um jesson got anything for us.

Speaker 1: 17:13

No, I mean everything that I was about to say, uh, chris, kind of hit it on the nose, so not much. Not much to respond after that um, so your your first deer.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Take us through. You know, your your first time, you know, in the woods and actually hunting. You know a deer, what? What was that like? What was your first? You know, kill like what. What it's got to be one to remember.

Speaker 3: 17:38

Everyone remembers our first one my, my first, my first deer. I was with my father and one of his friends and it was, it was a rifle hunt and it was an antlerless deer, um, and it was. It's, it seems surreal. Um, you know, looking back on it, I think I didn't really at the time really understand all the aspects of what was exactly going on. Um, I feel like my second, my second deer, which was a buck, at that point I actually realized, you know, this is a little bit more what hunting is. This is, you know, and, and it kind of progressed from there.

Speaker 3: 18:18

I think the first time, and it was, it was an interesting experience, don't get me wrong, but I think it was. I didn't understand the totality of it yet, and I was 12 years old, I was still a kid, so it was like you know, I don't know, I don't quite know how to explain it Once I started getting a little bit older, I started hunting on my own. I think that's when, that's when it really became what it is for me today Taking my first, you know, my first deer by myself, taking my first deer with my bow. You know first self-film deer. You know doubling down on deer. You know taking.

Speaker 3: 18:55

You know, taking other people out for their first time, like there's so many other experiences to it than just than just what I experienced on my first hunt and I don't, I don't look back on it with this thing and I just I look back on it and I just think I didn't, I didn't really comprehend everything that was going on at the time, but I can tell you now that it's, it's a world away from that and and everything that I do in the woods, it's, it's.

Speaker 3: 19:24

It doesn't have to be where I pick up my bow. I was some of my best hunts. I've never even picked up the gun or my bow. I am. I freely tell people that I've sat there goose hunting and, like you know, like I was saying, taking pictures of the sunset and just watching a flight of geese come in and, rather than try and shoot them, call them in and actually take pictures of them coming in, and I enjoyed that just as much. And that's kind of what drove me back into social media and trying to share this with you know, with anybody that I could.

Speaker 2: 20:00

Yeah, no, it's. That's the beauty of it. I mean, being that young, it's different. You know it's. Most kids don't anything, that what they're doing they don't appreciate the same as like when you get older. That's straight up one, you know. But you know so your, your first hunt was with your father, or your first harvest was your father, and everything like that. How does he still? Does he still hunt?

Speaker 3: 20:32

No, my father actually passed away two years ago.

Speaker 2: 20:34

But I'm sorry for your loss.

Speaker 3: 20:37

That's well, thank you, no, I believe it, or not even just talking with. Coming from like. My father's side of the family were very big hunters, and I think I am I'm the only one that's still getting out in the woods. Yeah, I'm pretty much the only guy that's still out there doing it.

Speaker 2: 20:59

Yeah question Is that? Because, yet again, just like everything else in life, when you know when, as you get older, you got to work, you got to do this, you got to do that, you have kids, things like unfortunately for most people, the whole hunting thing kind of has to just slow down. Is that, what kind of happened?

Speaker 3: 21:19

I would say so. You know my uncles, they kind of they kind of dropped out of it. They were getting older. You know they're retired, they don't really go out and hunt like they used to. My brothers, you know, they don't really do it anymore. My cousins don't really do it anymore, and that's it. Like you, just, you move on with life. You get families, jobs, everything. It's just something that you know. You start prioritizing. You know life, and if this, if this is something that's just extra weight, at this point you can shed it and that's unfortunate. You know it's unfortunate that that's happening. But you know, I, to me it's a big part of my life and I make time for it. So I, you know, I understand when people, you know, fall out, but at the same time it's, you know, it's difficult for me to understand that mindset as well.

Speaker 2: 22:09

Yeah, no, I, you got to find a balance. I mean, what we do, you know, and Justin included, and you know all the guys that we run with like this is we always have this joke it's a full-time business without getting paid for. You know, when it's it's a grind and it's you're constantly working on it, You're constantly working at it. You know, but even so, like say it wasn't for us and say we were just doing this. Just, you know, part-time or whatever the cases are like, you do have to find that balance.

Speaker 2: 22:42

And anyone listen out there Like, yes, you need to work, you need to spend time with your kids and family, but you also, for your mental health, need to do what you love to do as well. And you know, even if it's 100 a week or 100 every two weeks or you know, all you have time for real quick is the hour. Disability, maybe just go walk those woods, go, go align in real quick at the local pond or whatever the case is. And you know, take that advantage and do it. Then you know, because it's very important, it extremely important.

Speaker 3: 23:18

No, it definitely is, and I, you know, that's something that that I believe, like, like for my own mental health, like you know, there's been days when I'm like, oh man, I don't really want to go out, like it's cold and tired, like then I then eventually I'm like you know what I have to get out there, because you know whether or not I want to go, sometimes I almost feel drawn to it and you're right, it is big, you know, for for my own well-being, because it is something that I like to do. So it is relaxing, it is something that helps me clear my head and it's just, you know, it lets you detach from reality a little bit.

Speaker 2: 23:54

Yeah, I agreed with that, you know. So now, as you're getting older, you know, when did you really start like grinding with it and just like, hey, this is kind of what I know. You said you lost a little bit, especially with the social media and everything like that. But when you're, when you're teen, were you ever like full blown with it? Then you know, as life goes on I know you're ex-military and everything like that so like kind of, how did that play, play along?

Speaker 3: 24:24

Um, yes, when I, when I was in my teens, I really I got into it pretty heavy. I was out there, um, but there was, there was a lot of other things going on in my. You know, I was growing up, so it's like, you know, I was out there, you know, experiencing life, so you know, if I can get out hunting or fishing, yeah, it was great. There's so many other things going on in my life, um, after I got out of the service, um, I, I really got into hunting, you know, even more, I would say, than my teenage years, and it's, you know, it's just steadily progressed even since then, um, what I, what I would say is maybe what was? It's 2017 or 18, that's when I, I think I really that's when I really kind of dedicated myself to it. All right, I made that, that almost full time commitment, and it definitely, um, it was definitely a positive move. It was just something that I that I found um more interesting for some reason than I had previously, and I just kind of dove into it a little bit further and it was like when I kind of, you know, started to want, I wanted to become a better archery hunter, um, and that's, that's really what it was.

Speaker 3: 25:46

After I made the decision to kind of kind of bo hunt exclusively. At that point it was okay, how am I, if I'm going to do this, how am I going to be the best at this that I can be? And it just was. I'm a I'm a real analytical guy, so it, you know, I started digging into the research and just you know, that was it.

Speaker 3: 26:07

It was just digging and digging and digging and reading and reading and watching and watching and listening and listening and just trying to learn as many lessons as I could. Um, one of the things that was a change for me I had to unlearn everything that I had learned about hunting, everything that I had learned listening to and this it's nothing against these guys, but listening to all these old timers, whether it was at hunting camp, at the firehouse, no matter where I was you know you're listening to these old timers and this is how they've been hunting for years. Unlearning everything that they said and applying new methodologies to hunting has actually made me a better hunter. So really, that kind of change in the late, you know, pre COVID I would say pre COVID, but like right there, that's, that's where I think hunting kind of changed for me, for the better.

Speaker 2: 27:09

I think that's no, that's, that's pretty cool, and you know when you so, when you go from there, like that that pre COVID era, you switch primarily to the bow. You know, were you shooting? What were you shooting at the time? Wasn't Matthews always?

Speaker 3: 27:27

No, it wasn't Matthews always. At that point I think I was shooting a diamond, Um, and all my buddies were shooting diamonds. That's why I bought one. I liked it and it worked out well. Like I, you know, I haven't always been a Matthews guy. Um, and believe it or not, I was thinking about buying a Hoyt. I'll admit it before I bought this man.

Speaker 1: 27:51

There we go there we go.

Speaker 3: 27:53

I narrowed it down to the RX five and the VX or V three X.

Speaker 2: 27:57

And what's it? Usually that's what it boils down to. It's usually probably those two.

Speaker 3: 28:02

Yeah, you know the P, you know the PSE. It just didn't. It didn't feel right to me shooting it. The bow tech was louder than all the other ones. Um, it was a good shooting bow, don't get me wrong, but it was just. It seemed a little bit louder. The Hoyt was a good bow, it was fast, it was quiet, but it just didn't feel right in my hand. It felt awkward. Um, the Matthews and, believe me, me and John had a lot of laughs at your expense because, as a Hoyt shooter, once you picked up my Matthews, you could see the look on your face change Like well, you know it's, it's so okay.

Speaker 3: 28:42

Um, everything about the Matthews just just felt natural, Um, and that's kind of why I went that route.

Speaker 2: 28:50

Yeah, so what was what were some of the challenges you you had to face when you made that decision to switch to to bow hunting? You know, only you know what. What it looked like, what were your goals? Um, you know, was what's kind of the rain? What do you? How'd you practice? What was the range of practice? How'd you feel comfortable at yardage, at shooting at animals, like those type of things? Like what were some of the challenges that you had to face?

Speaker 3: 29:19

Well, one of the things that really, um, that I had to face was I have to be successful before anybody else, because if I'm going to go out during rifle season, all these rifle hunters can reach out to 300, 400, five, you know, even 500 yards now, and I'm very limited. So I'm out there with a bunch of guys that can out shoot me and you know what? What do I do? I can't do that. I can't shoot across the field like some of these guys. So it kind of that was part of that learning experience of how to be more successful earlier in the season instead of waiting for the rut. How do I go out and chase these big bucks? How do I go out and shoot? You know shoot. I'm a big proponent of shooting antlerless deer. So how do I go out and target does if I want to target does? What I started doing is I started practicing at farther ranges, um, all the way out to 50, 60, 70. And you see that we were taking 90 yard shots um, this past weekend. Practicing at those ranges is something that helps build your confidence. It's not necessarily that I would take a shot, a 90 yard shot at a deer in the woods If the buck of a lifetime shows up at 60 yards, yeah, he's probably going to get. He's probably going to get one flung at him because I feel confident that I can make a 60 yard shot. But that's because I'm practicing out to 70, 80, 90 yards.

Speaker 3: 30:43

And what I started doing was I initially, you know, when I was, when I was younger, it was 20, 30, 40 was a far shot when I first got into bow hunting as a kid. And then as I got better bows, as as time went on, I got faster bows, better bows and just I was able to back my ranges out to 50, 60, 70. And it was just that continual practice out to um, out to, you know, farther ranges that that gave me the confidence to be able to say, okay, I can just show up and a 20 yard or 30 yard chip shot is not going to be a problem Getting a 60 yard shot at. You know, it's not something I'm going to do at a doe or so, you know, just something that walks out and be like okay, you know, whatever, I'll wait till you get closer. But if, if bullwinkle shows up and he's, you know this massive 12 point or okay, I'm going to let one fly at you and I feel confident like I would like I would land a pretty decent shot on him.

Speaker 3: 31:41

So that kind of practice definitely has been challenging but as you saw this weekend, it doesn't always go according to plan. You know it's. It's not like I have a 90 yard pan on my site. So just being able to know my holdover is is something that you know it. It makes it fun but also challenging. It also makes you know it also makes me a little more confident knowing my bow is still hitting hard out to those ranges. So a 60 yard shot I'm probably going to puncture both longs. I might even get a full pass through. So that definitely practicing out to these extended ranges was was a challenge. The muscle memory of bow hunting is it's not something you can just pick up and you know, put down your bow and not shoot it for a year and then expect to be able to do that Like you can with a rifle. You can put your rifle in the case in your you know your safe, pull it out a year later. It's still going to be dialed in and you're going to be able to shoot 100, 200, 300 yards.

Speaker 2: 32:46

So you could pull it out five years later and it's most likely it's still going to be dialed in like and it doesn't.

Speaker 3: 32:52

it doesn't really require everything to go right. The mechanics of bow hunting, everything that you have to do with your body and your mindset has to be, has to be in line, it has to be perfect for you to make these kinds of shots. So that was another challenge that I had to overcome Getting better spots, because when I get out during rifle season, I don't want to be out where all the rifle hunters are. I want to be out where these guys are not going to go because, let's face it, at the end of the day, you start banging up the woods with a bunch of, with a bunch of rifles. The deer are going to run, they're going to try and find cover. They know where it's safe, they know how to survive. Where are they going. That's where I need to be to ambush them with the bow. And that was another. You know, learning those kinds of tactics was that was another challenge. Fighting the bullet and buying a lot of safety gear that was a challenge.

Speaker 2: 33:50

Yeah, I mean the most challenging thing but the most rewarding thing to do. I mean the Gucci of the, the white tail woods, I'm telling you. But we let's go back with real quick shooting. I remember when I first started bow hunting I mean even shooting at 30 yards what I was like I'm never. I like I ate it. I don't like shooting at 30 yards Like it's it's nerve wracking. I at the time I was not practicing like I am practicing now. Now, 30 yards of it's a chip shot, 15 now for the most part, I have all the confidence in the world when we stepped forward to the same thing and even when we shot at 70, 70, we're practicing at, you're practicing 90. Me, who is, who's also shooting with us still at the time.

Speaker 3: 34:46

Well, he was, you man shooting at 70.

Speaker 2: 34:49

Yes, and that was a quartering away shot and something I've been preaching and everyone knows this is looking for a podcast preaching practicing quartering away. You know I, it's a shot. You deer are never going to present themselves the way you think they're going to is never. Honestly, no, I'm not going to say never. It's very rare You're going to get that perfect broadside shot, especially when you're hunting in a state like upstate New York where you one can't use minerals or feet or anything like that. You know, or you could be in the woods up in Maine where it's real sick and like you have that split second decision to make a shot. You know some of the, some of the states and even out in the Midwest, when you you know those deer during the rut, they they're not stopping. Deer during the rut do not stop like they would stop in an early season or late season. They're constantly moving, moving, moving. Your chance of you getting a quarter way shot is extremely high. So that is another part of practicing and something that you know.

Speaker 2: 35:57

When you first started, when we all first started no, and probably we didn't practice that. You know, we weren't practicing at 40, 50, 60, 70, you know, I wouldn't even think about it? No, and the equipment? Fair to say, the equipment has changed, just like in everything else that we do. Damn, when we're kids couldn't even imagine having a freaking iPhone where we could pull up mats and everything like that on it. Like it's just crazy how technology has come, like our sites, these arrows, these broadheads, the classic good old Sica I mean best, best Camo in the world. You know, it's come a long way and we're younger. It's just just was not like that. So it's different.

Speaker 3: 36:44

No, I mean, I will say that, you know, when we were younger we did have the best Camo ever invented, which was advantage timber.

Speaker 2: 36:54

But the OG, the OG but not you're.

Speaker 3: 36:58

You're right, because, like shooting out to 40, 40 was a far shot, like 40 was like, holy crap, I'm I'm taking 40 yard shots at the range and I'm like, do I really want to do this? And this is back in the days, like aluminum arrows and like this was back then. You're right, the technology was not what it is today. And you know, even though and I tell people, I started out with a Hoyt, that was my very first bow, but it was like a 1990 Hoyt, like this thing was ancient. So like the power of that bow at 20 yards is what my Matthews is probably doing at like 80 yards now.

Speaker 2: 37:40

Justin, were you even born in 1990? What?

Speaker 1: 37:42

year. I was born 12 years after that, in 2002.

Speaker 3: 37:49

Yeah, all right, I'm hanging up now. I'll see you guys later. Oh my God, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:58

So I I try to forget that Justin's a baby, I shot aluminum arrows.

Speaker 1: 38:05

That was my first set of arrows where my dad told aluminum, but I never had never had a deer or anything.

Speaker 2: 38:13

I shot aluminum and then obviously went to good old and I think they were Easton too, the Easton OG once. Once you found them Dick Sporting Goods. Yeah Right, I mean I remember first shot with those things. I had no idea what the hell was doing. Yeah, they got first person in my family to bow hunt and everything. So everything was self taught. Take a shot in my backyard at a deer target right over, hit something hard, they just breaks. She got the same thing. It kept on happening and then, finally, so I figured it out. But then I, you know, got myself some, some real arrows and went from there. But just an absolute obsession bow hunting is. I mean, justin plans on diving even more into the bow hunting world and that's why he didn't bring his bow to the event, because he's getting, he's going to be getting new strings put on, because it's been.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Yeah, I've been thinking about that this whole time long About how I need new ones. I I've never gotten new bow strings, so that'll be a new thing. Maybe I'll do a special crazy color, but uh, you should. Yeah, no, I'm excited for this year. I think it'll be a little bit different for me.

Speaker 2: 39:29

So you should what? What color should Justin get? Everyone? You know we're going to have a thing. Get that. What do you say?

Speaker 3: 39:35

Do that fluorescent orange or that like toxic waste green color, like that lime green.

Speaker 1: 39:40

Yeah, that's how I was thinking. Either one of those, yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:43

Yeah, Do something, just absolute. I that. And that's another thing that I love about our trade is the customization, especially nowadays, of your arrow veins. To you know that you have wraps to everything that you can put on your bow, to your bow strings, everything like that. Like, during the whole month of October I hunt with only pink, you know, just for breast cancer awareness month, everything like that. Like it's just something that I love to do, support as much as I can. You know, or at least even I like to do USA colors. Usually I'll do red, white and blue, something like that. And then, you know, now I'm running all black and green ones, or my all white and green ones, Like it's just an endless amount of and yes, that might be a little lame and nerdy to say in the cases, but like I don't know, there's something about archery in that you know, once you start it, you just get absolutely hooked on it and you can't put it down.

Speaker 1: 40:41

Well, that's why there's about like a million and a half hours of podcasts out there, people arguing over broadheads or sites or rests or anything like that, or or Bo Brands themselves. So I mean or heavy heavy light arrows.

Speaker 2: 40:55

You know everything that we, we, we do Talking about in all our lives on the podcast, everything like that which company is better? This is better? You know single pin and multi-pin. I know that's a big one too as well, but what, what's your setup kind of look like now, chris. What's your, what's your archery setup? I know you're running saddle and everything that's a go from your bow setup to. You know your hunting rig setup, all right.

Speaker 3: 41:22

Well, I'm shooting a Matthews V3X 29 in ambush green. I'm using a QAD ultra rest, drop away, trophy Ridge Alpha or a react pro, because I like the, the all metal components. I'd set it 70 pounds. I have a 29 and a half inch draw length. Right now I'm shooting the Easton axis the Easton axis five millimeters with a 300 spine.

Speaker 3: 41:58

With that I'm shooting a hundred grain three blade g Montec G5s probably my favorite broad head of all time Nocturnal Knox, and I shoot a Scott Mongoose release that I've had for forever and it has not let me down. So, in addition to that, what else do I use besides all my sitka gear, which we could get in and talk to for, you know, for hours. I guess we'll get to that in a little bit, but as far as, as far as my actual setup, I use a tethered phantom saddle with a predator platform. I use Hawkelyum climbing sticks and a mystery ranch. What is that? The sawtooth backpack to carry it all in? I like having a little bit bigger of a backpack, simply because in the wintertime when I'm carrying my sitka fanatic suit you can't walk.

Speaker 3: 42:58

You have to wear that suit. Sitting still, you can't do any physical activity in that. So I like having a bigger pack.

Speaker 3: 43:05

I like telling people the story that I made the mistake when I first bought that. I walked into the woods with it. I got up in my stand. I still have my climbing stand. At the time I had to strip down to my base layers in 26 degree weather and sit there for two hours to cool, to like regulate my body temperature back down. That's how hot I got. So shameless plug. But if you're definitely into late season hunting, the sitka fanatic suit is the top of the line. Warm, you know, warm equipment. Like there's nothing better. What else? For the most part that's it. I use Sony cameras 4th arrow camera arm. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 3: 43:53

I got into using the Conquest Sense this year. I kind of like the Herd Sense. It seems to work, especially with the younger deer. It seems to, I guess, spark some curiosity in them. And when the younger deer are out playing around it seems like the older matured does kind of let their guard down a little bit. And if they're out running around then these does will. They'll kind of mosey over and won't, won't be, it, won't be on such high alert. So when I'm out there actually trying to, trying to put down one or two, does that's, I found that that's a pretty unique tool. I like that it comes in the sticks. This year I'm going to start using the vaporizers and see how they work the scent fire vaporizers. So what else do I have that I you know AVNX, turkey, decoys. What else do you want to know?

Speaker 2: 44:55

So when you what was the process like? Getting into Sadovon and you know, I know the joke is like the best thing in the world you got to get a gather we always like to bust these balls over there but what was your experience when you first got your saddle, your first hunt Like? What was your experience like? Because it can be, you got to practice, practice, practice with that. In the off season. You have to practice with it. Many people think that they can just buy it and they're going to go out in the woods and it's going to go well, and that's usually where people start to complain like oh well, it's not this, like it wasn't that hard. It wasn't. I mean, it was pretty hard, you know.

Speaker 2: 45:36

I couldn't do this, couldn't do that? Well, yeah, cause you know, it is not just like you're in a tree stand, you just climb up a bull and that's it, and you're sitting on this, this bigger platform and everything like that, where you can move freely, like you know, climbing with all your gear on, doing this, making sure everything's that's correctly. That is probably the more, and actually picking the correct tree is probably the more most difficult part.

Speaker 3: 46:04

Well, what I will say about saddle hunting is, when you have to pick the correct tree, you have better options. You have more options because, when I was using my summit climber, you're always looking for that telephone pole straight tree with no, no limbs. It's got to be a certain thickness or a certain diameter, according to the saddle. To me, number one, my saddle with the sticks and my backpack basically my full, my fully loaded pack right now weighs less than what my stand alone used away. That was a big, a big plus for me, especially going up on on the public land. We have a 3,300 acre state park not far from here that we hunt and it's it's a mountain. So if you're climbing up the mountain, you don't want to be hauling a lot of weight. In addition to that, when you're trying to select your tree, I hunted this year out of a tree that was that was at like a 60 degree angle, and I never would have been able to sit in that tree with anything other than a saddle, because you can sit there and you can adjust everything in different spots to ensure that you are, that you are, level, even though all your equipment is at different angles. My first hunt out of the saddle. Last year I doubled down on two does, first time ever, doing that with the bow, which was kind of exciting for me. And something that I that I will, that I'm a big proponent on, is the comfortability factor and I say this to Greg Godfrey, you know the founder of tethered, as a disabled veteran myself, it's, it's something that has kept me in the woods longer. Um, I I'm able to be more comfortable sitting in my saddle than I ever was in any other stand, and I think a lot has to do with being able to make those micro movements where, if you have to adjust, you can just kind of shift your weight ever so slightly and it just takes the pressure off of, off of something and you're, you're fine and you're not really making a big movement where it's something noticeable. Not only that, having 300, almost 365 degree coverage around that tree this year I shot my buck. I was standing with my bat, I was standing on my platform with my back directly against the tree and the tether up over my shoulder because he came in directly behind you. So, having that ability to be able to cover such a wide area, get into almost any tree in the woods and to be able to sit longer, kind of made me realize like, look, I could bite the bullet.

Speaker 3: 48:46

Getting into saddle hunting isn't cheap. But you're buying, buy once, cry once. You know you buy all this. You buy your saddle and your accessories and you have it for the next 10, 15 years. Let's face it Um, you know, with and, and I'm able to hunt in in places that I couldn't get to with with my climbing stands. Um, even even sitting in fixed stands, it's, it's. It's something that I find it much. It's improved my hunting um 10 fold.

Speaker 3: 49:23

And it's hard to really, it's hard to really put it into words until you've actually sat in a saddle. When we went to the outdoor show, um, my buddy Pat and Dave, uh, both, both sat there and I was talking to Greg Godfrey about it and we put my buddy Pat in the saddle and he's was totally against saddle hunting. He was very adamant about like, oh, I don't see why you spend the money. It's stupid. Why would we do this? We'd sat him in the saddle, got it adjusted for him, changed his mind, and Pat said look, I don't deer hunt enough for me to make this kind of investment, but I definitely see why somebody would.

Speaker 3: 49:56

So, um, anybody like we. You know those of us that hunt out of saddles. Like you know we, we break everybody's chops about it, but in reality, what we're trying to do is just promote a another option, and until you've actually sat in one, um it's, it's kind of hard not to to really be a believer. And I say that to Dave all the time too. So she's, if he ends up listening to this, dave, like we're going to get you in the saddle because it'll change your, it'll change your game entirely.

Speaker 2: 50:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I grew with that. I always tell people like I highly recommend it. You know, justin, he's, he's going to be getting into the saddle for the first time this year. I mean, he saw the saddle firsthand when we did our Delaware hunt and you know he was like, wait, that's it, like that's all you got to do. And I was like, yeah, like I was able to get up pretty quickly.

Speaker 2: 50:50

Justin definitely struggled way more than me to get into the stand, like you know, especially if that's a you know the stand, they're big, they're awkward, you know, and you know, especially for filming too, and it's such a underappreciated thing Like, say, you're going out to fill some film, somebody man having a saddle and just film equipment is the perfect combination as well and say like Justin, justin, you use a tree stand. So I was able to get perfectly right behind Justin, get in, get comfortable, and all I had to bring was my platform, and I even bring my sticks because we use Justin's sticks, right. So I just needed a platform, which I think mine weighs like two pounds, like most. Most platforms are only like two to four pounds, right, and you know you, you bring your camera gear and that's. You know I'm running a very light camera gear option. You know I'm running lone wolves beast. I mean, wow, wrong company Lone wolves pocket arms and at my fixed stands I do have, you know, fourth arrow camera arm and everything like that at those stands. So you know I like to live best of both worlds but man, once, once you start it, once you get into it, it's yet again.

Speaker 2: 52:05

It's another thing you can get obsessive about because there are so many options, there's so many different sounds, so many different platforms and my favorite is there's so many different sticks options and I love the sticks and you know what works for me. I run beast, beast hunting sticks and you know I recommend those to everyone. You know latitude just came out with their new sticks, which you look absolutely amazing, that you know. And I've I told them the guy was like, look that I wouldn't buy it if I didn't just buy a beast sticks last year. And you know it's hard for me to put away my beast sticks and I don't think I ever will. So you know, but you know you never know. There's, you know again, so many options. Hey, beaster, if you want, you know, if you want to send me or sign me. I would happily use your use your sticks for the rest of my life, but you said you, so the the buck that you killed out of the saddle right Was that last year's buck?

Speaker 2: 53:03

Yes, so absolutely just a hammer of a buck. I mean, what take us through the backstory on that. Like was that a deer that you've been hunting for a while? Like is there a crazy backstory or was that a random buck that showed up, or what was the case?

Speaker 3: 53:23

No, I had no pictures of him in the preseason. As a matter of fact, the first camera pictures I got of him were probably three weeks prior to my encounter, my second encounter with him. So I'll get to that. We didn't know he existed. I knew there was a couple other, couple other decent eight pointers. You know where we live, we don't have huge deer up here. So when I actually got on my spy point cameras everybody wants to say spy point doesn't work and they don't send you pictures. But they seem to have no problem sending me pictures. So I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2: 54:00

My well, hey, listen, I real quick before we get I. Most my spy points are done in a way with because they they actually did stop working. But my spy point, I got one left. It just stopped working. And I love the micros. I haven't had any issues with the micro, the only one, I think. I had one other and it still works. Just at night it doesn't send me it, just black. So the what's infrared or whatever the hell is it? It just stopped working.

Speaker 1: 54:33

I don't know if it.

Speaker 2: 54:39

But I try not to say bad things about spy point. I mean I really try not to. I do like them. If customer service was a little better, I probably would stick with them a little, a little more. That's my only thing about spy point.

Speaker 3: 54:54

I mean I like they haven't let me down yet and actually wouldn't you know it. The first photos I got to this book were at night. I got three good photos of them. One was basically broadside. He was staring right at the camera, so we got a good look at the rack. The next one, he had his head down and then he had another one where he must have been sniffing the camera or something, because we got like just one whole side of the rack, like right up against it. So either he was rubbing on that tree or something. So I saw, I saw these pictures and I said, okay, that camera is 45 yards from one of my, one of my best trees to sit in. It's basically in the geographic center of this 300 acre piece of property. It's right on the edge of a swamp, it's right at this transitioning area of cover. So sitting in this, in this area, it has always been productive for me.

Speaker 3: 55:51

I got these, I got these camera photos and I said, okay, now what do I have to do to find this guy? And I knew that there was a couple other bucks in there, but I said I'm probably not going to see him, he's probably not going to come out until the rut. He's going to stay nocturnal for some for some reason. I just I knew I wasn't going to run into him. About a week before opening day of rifle season I saw him and he was at about 48 yards on the move, fit and you know, nose down to the ground. He was following something and he would just not give me the opportunity and I had to sit there and film him the whole time and watch him walk off and it was such a heartbreaking experience watching this deer walk away and there was nothing that I could do to stop him. After that I said, okay, you know he's coming through here, I know which way he's going, I know, you know he walked basically the same path that that he would have when I got the trail cam photos of him. So I said, okay, obviously I got to be close to where he lives, so let me just give it a little bit of time. I backed out and said, okay, let me, you know, let this, let me not put any pressure in this spot Backed out, hunted another spot for the next week.

Speaker 3: 57:07

Came back in, hunted this spot, opening day of rifle season. I see, early on in the day, right at first light, I hear three shots go off. Oh my God, man, I'm never going to see anything. And whoever shooting definitely sucks at shooting, because if you got to shoot more than once, like what the hell are you doing? But not long after that I saw a bear come through and I got him on video, which was great. Had that bear been about five yards closer I probably would have let one fly at him. He was close enough and he wasn't. You know, he wasn't super small. That was the second time I'd seen that bear on that property. So I said, okay, you know, that was cool.

Speaker 3: 57:48

I saw somebody walking and then two minutes later I turn around and I hear I hear this doe coming over this, or I. I hear some deer and I look back and I see a doe jumping over this rock wall. I said okay, great. So I kind of spin around and I see that there's this buck fun. I just see following right behind her. I'm like, oh man, all right, I got to get ready. So I spin around trying to spin the camera arm around. I didn't even get it. Get it in frame.

Speaker 3: 58:17

This was the worst part. Everything that you see on that video was actually shot on my GoPro above my head and he wouldn't stop. The one time that he actually stopped was when his vitals were behind a tree and you can see it on camera. It's the worst Like he just that's when he stopped and like looked at me and was like, haha, but he kept walking. The doe kept walking towards me. So I said, okay, let me, as soon as he gives me the opportunity, I'm going to let him have it. So he walked out. He kept walking towards me. I was just quartering to. I said, okay, let it fly Now. Mind you, this was not an easy shot, because I was standing on my platform, I had my trip, my back against the tree. It was something that I'd never really practiced for and it was. You know, it was an awesome experience to know that I connected with that deer.

Speaker 3: 59:12

Just the fact that he came back out and I had the opportunity to see him again, let alone actually harvest him, was, you know, it was huge for me.

Speaker 3: 59:23

I didn't make a great shot and I knew that right off the bat, so instead of chasing him, I just went, found my arrow, saw what was going on with the arrow, stuck it in the ground and walked off, said Nope, I'm getting out of here.

Speaker 3: 59:34

So I went and took well, let me back it up a little bit. So, as I pull my phone out to text everybody and say, hey, I shot that big eight pointer two more deer come like running up, like basically almost at a trot, right to my stand, there was this little seven pointer and this nice, you know symmetrical eight pointer came walking right. You know, they were probably 20 yards from me and I actually got good footage of the seven pointer almost walking under my stand before he realized I was there filming him. So to actually be able to connect with this, with this big buck, and then have two other shootable bucks show up within you know, two minutes later, was it was just I don't want to use the word magical, but it was definitely some kind of. You know, it was definitely an exhilarating experience. It was something that I'll never forget.

Speaker 2: 1:00:21

Sweet November, right Cause this was in November right.

Speaker 3: 1:00:25

Yeah, this was open day. Right, this was November 19th. You know, the rut was in full swing at this point up here, and it was chilly. It was definitely a chilly day, I think it was like probably 28 or 30 degrees by that point in the morning.

Speaker 2: 1:00:40

Sounds exactly like how it should have went like. Those days are by far the best days.

Speaker 3: 1:00:49

So I waited for those two bucks to meander off. I knew I knew I made the bad shot. I went and found my arrow cause I knew it was a pass through stuck it on the ground. There was, there was good, some gut material on it and there was blood on it. So I said, okay, you know, I definitely probably hit the liver and I definitely hit the guts. So he's going to die. But I'm definitely going to give him as much time as I can. It's rife, it's opening day of rifle season and there's other people on this property. I don't need to push him around and, you know, give somebody else the opportunity.

Speaker 3: 1:01:20

So stepped the arrow on the ground, went and grabbed all my stuff and made this super long loop around the outer edge of the property to get back, to get back out, called some people to come help me track it. I said, okay, you know, we're going to give it plenty of time. We're going to go in later on, at night. So we went in at night and it was funny because, as we're tracking it, there was no blood. We found one spot of blood and that was it. So what this deer actually ended up doing? Where we found him? He went up probably 60 yards to 100 yards, bedded down, and then must have gotten directly up and walked directly back and we found him within 40 yards of where I shot him dead. So he went up and then came right back. So, knowing that I was definitely somewhere where this deer felt safe because you know he was hurt bad and was walking or you know, coming right back through where he just you know where he just got it so I plan on hunting that spot again this year. I was walking through during turkey season and also in the post season last year. There was definitely lots of tracks still running through there.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

I think it's a productive spot and, you know, just actually being able to lay my hands on that buck, I really didn't have a doubt after I hit him. I knew we were going to recover him. I just, you know there wasn't, you know there was zero doubt. It was all. You know. I kept the faith that said, look, we're going to get this. Deer Like this is no big deal, sure, sure enough. We got him, got him out and the rest is history.

Speaker 3: 1:03:00

I will say I mean, deer like that don't live around here at all. That definitely created kind of a stir locally up here. I didn't. I didn't really share too many photos of that outside of Instagram, but I was finding it on Facebook, where you know it was on all different web, you know all different pages. So this deer was seen by thousands and thousands and thousands of people.

Speaker 3: 1:03:29

When I went to the tax-dermat shop I was dropping it off and I opened it up out of the bag and the one guy was like, wow, it's a hell of a deer. The other guy that was in there was working on this big buck from Iowa and I walked over and looked at that deer and that was a hell of a deer. He walked over, looked at this buck and said where did you shot this thing? 20 minutes from here. Are you kidding me? He's like come on, you're like you're full of shit. There's no way you shot this thing, like across the river from us. And I was like yeah, no, this is a local deer. So, yeah, it was definitely a record book, if you will. It's, you know it's. It still almost doesn't feel real and I don't want to say that it's like one of those crowning achievements, because I don't really measure my hunting experiences by that, but it was definitely. It's definitely something that I'll never let go of. I'm always going to think back to this.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

Of course, yeah, no, and of course you know, and it's. It's one of those things like when you hear that story and then you know at the end of the day job well done, and it's magical and like all these things Sweet November to have people, I mean, I get it. Deer, you know, may not grow normally to that size, but it's a lot of jealousy maybe, like you would have to say, like there's a lot of hate in the hunting community, there's a lot of disbelief in the hunting community, unless a person's there to see it and with their own eyes and make sure it's done by the books and whatever the case is. But like, how could you not just like love to see that? Like that's, that's a deer for ages that you're always going to remember, that's, you know, something that you'll get to show your kids and everything like that, like it's just remarkable, it's truly is, truly is amazing, right.

Speaker 3: 1:05:39

And that's I mean just to touch on that point about you know, a lot of hate being in the in the hunting community and this is something that that we've talked about quite a lot. You know on on some of our live chats and whatnot. But as as we go through this, like we, we don't need to detract from each other's hunts, you know, I don't really care if somebody goes out there and they shoot does, or they go out there and they shoot a spike. Whatever they shoot, you know what it's your tag. You know it's your hunt. Enjoy it how you will. It doesn't matter if you go out there and shoot monsters every year. It doesn't matter if you go out there and shoot one doe every year. You know what that's. That's what it's all about. It's all about you went out and you hunted your way and I think social media has done has done a decent job of being able to promote each other.

Speaker 3: 1:06:34

But unfortunately, that one of those side effects is where now everybody looks at. You know guys that shoot all these big bucks and they want to be like that, or you know people will be afraid to celebrate. You know their does or their spikes or their four pointers, or you know, some little raghorn six. They're like oh yeah, you know I'm not going to post this because I don't want anybody, you know, bust on my chops online about it.

Speaker 3: 1:06:58

I think that that's a problem that we need to talk more about. You saw the one live that I did. You hopped on for a few minutes where, where we, we were talking about that exact topic, and that's something that that, I believe, is an issue. I think we need to address it amongst ourselves. We need to do we need to do a better job of policing ourselves as as hunters and within this community. It's not really about who shoots more deer or who shoots bigger deer. It's that we're all in this for the same reason. It's because we love it, we're all passionate about this and it shouldn't matter you know, it shouldn't matter if you shoot a small deer or a big deer or any deer. The fact that you're out there doing it and you're out there enjoying the sport, that's what it should be about.

Speaker 2: 1:07:46

Perfectly said. You know it's. It is something that we, we all talk about very often. So, with that also being said, you know more about, about you, before we dive back into only bows. What type of terrain are you you really looking at? Like what terrain are you hunting? And then, when you're trying to find bucks, or or even does, like what, what are you? What are you looking for? As in terrain wise, what are you trying to key, key on? Like things like that.

Speaker 3: 1:08:19

I like swamps. To be honest with you, if I could sit on a swamp edge, I think that that's a very productive, especially if you can find a swamp edge next to hardwoods. That seems to be one of the best transitioning, transitioning terrain types. That that I found to be most productive, and not just for deer but bear also. Like you know, they like that swampy area. So you know the, the swampy areas, when I can find them, or like the creek bottoms, that's what I tend to try to look for.

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

Field edges are another one, probably less so than the, than the creek bottoms or the, the swamp edges, but then I get into. I try to get into the hardwoods a little bit, especially where there's good bedding cover and good food sources. If there's something you know, if there's a good patch of Oaks where there's going to be acorns, I may sit in there. Especially if I know the acorns are falling, I'm going to try to get in there because those deer are going to come there like a magnet. But that's more of a situational kind of kind of stand, because just as quickly as the deer show up they'll stop showing up there. So I think those swamp edges are probably my primary target.

Speaker 2: 1:09:41

Gotcha. Yeah, now we, we love a good swamp. I mean the areas that we hunt are pretty damn swampy and honestly hold some giant bucks in those swamps. I mean it holds a lot of bears too, of course, and everything like that. You know with Jersey and it's something that you're just used to up in Northern Jersey and have one and not the other. You know when it's hunting season, you know you're going to. If you're hunting swamps and stuff like that, you are going to get a lot of bear action. But it's where the big boys like to be at, you know they feel safe, they feel secure. It's extremely thick so it's hard to get into it. It's just the the correct environment for them. So I agree with you, right there, you know hardwoods we have.

Speaker 2: 1:10:31

We found a great spot, that swamp, some hardwoods and some food plots at the state put in. Now there's a pond and supposedly there's a mama and her cubs. That, that den under some fallen trees. That pushes into a really good den. I have yet to see her, don't want to see her, but if I do, you know whatever. But this is a spot where I hunt on top of that ridge and let's just say there are two to three giant bucks, that one. They have that access they were. They go up on the ridge and go across the road or they go down and they're in that swampy thick what trails off through it, where I literally was on hands and knees and the off fees and trying to, trying to get through some bedding, found some bedding on the on the opposite side of everything. But that's that's. That swampy thickness is just. You can't beat it and especially as a bow hunter, it's like up in close and tight, personal. You know you want to be where they usually are and that's that's exactly what, what you're looking for.

Speaker 3: 1:11:44

Yeah, and that's what I. What I like to do is, especially in the early season, on those nice hot days, you have to find the find the travel corridors to water, or be near water, because these deer have to drink. Let's face it, we've got to hydrate. So if you can find the water, or at least find where they're going to get the water, that's, that's perfect, and that's why I like the swamp edges, because there's water and there's cover.

Speaker 2: 1:12:12

Definitely. Yep, justin, you got anything for us. I know Justin's more of the turkey waterfowl guy, but anything for for the deer talk or bow hunting talk anything you got.

Speaker 1: 1:12:23

No, but one thing relating to swamps was the. There's a spot that I've been looking at on the map a lot and it's it's a mixture of swamp into hardwood, so I haven't been there yet in person, but I'm really excited to try it out for exactly that reason. Like I was thinking the same same thing to where the they would go feed on the oaks, especially in October, and stuff like that, and then bed in that super, super thick swamp. So that's that's my plan for the first time getting out and scouting, at least. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:12:51

I mean it's crazy how we're. We're already in June, like once July hits, it's like shit, it's, it's, it's goat, it's goat time Like we're. We're almost there, you know, three, three months away and we're back. So when you're, do you key on on bedding too at all? You know, are you a big bed person? Like obviously no one's, like Andrew, who literally walked through beds and all literally hunt on top of beds. But is that something that you use? Yeah?

Speaker 3: 1:13:26

What I'd like to do is if I can find the dough beds.

Speaker 3: 1:13:30

It's not so much about the buck beds, it's if I can find the dough beds.

Speaker 3: 1:13:34

I know where the bucks will be looking in the rut.

Speaker 3: 1:13:37

So finding it, you know, to me finding a dough, finding a dough bed is more important than finding buck beds and keeping an eye on them, because come the rut, the bucks are going to be walking around and you may actually get some of those ranging bucks that you don't even know existed, or from a neighboring property or from three miles away that are just showing up and smell it and they know where they're going because they know what they're looking for.

Speaker 3: 1:13:59

So it's if I can find the doughs and I know where the doughs are walking and I know where they live, that's a big thing for me. I also don't, like I said, and I will keep saying it, I don't mind taking a dough or two in the early season, but that also helps me know where the doughs are walking, where their travel quarters are, where their feed to bed is. So if I know that, I know where the bucks are going to be looking for them. So it's just kind of it's a whole lot of intelligence that you have to put into a big picture and then best use the information for the situation at hand.

Speaker 2: 1:14:42

Analytics. It's all about analytics, that's it. You know that's what it is Like. I love that whole part of hunting. Like I have just notebooks and notebooks and notebooks that just filled. Like every little thing I do from scouting is written down to. You know, my time in the woods, whether it's, you know everything's videoed for a reason so you can go back and review stuff and trail camera picture scouting missions, all the boots on the ground, everything like that. It goes into like it's analytics.

Speaker 2: 1:15:16

And then you're trying to narrow it down, you're trying to get what's your best option and honestly like, yeah, buck, you, I enjoy finding buck betting. But then the day you got to find those, those doughs, like you really do, because once it's that end of October and all of November, where are the bucks going to be? They're going to be outside those dough beddings looking to cruise right through. You know they're looking for those hot doughs and there's no better way than to knowing where your dough betting is and keying on that and you can, like you said, shoot a dough early season, shoot two doughs early season, boom, that's. You know that's what we like to do and then after that it's really it's grind time to keep tabs still keep tabs on your doughs and you know a buck is going to walk by. Cause, if you, you can hunt those buck beddings and this is my, this is my theory right, you could hunt, hunt those buck beds during, you know, the rut, which I don't know. If you know what you're doing, not too many people are right In my opinion.

Speaker 2: 1:16:27

How often do you think you're going to get a buck there? You might not get that buck there. He's probably off. Like you said. He could be the traveling buck. That's three miles down the road. He could be you know wherever. You don't know, but if you're hunting those doughs, you can get either him and the other of the mature bucks even the younger bucks are going to come through and then you're going to get those, those wanderers. You're going to get those neighboring property of those bucks. You're going to get those three mile bucks, you know. So you're increasing your odds just through the analytics right there. Yeah, I love analytics, I do, I do, I do, I love it, are you? So you're not an overly aggressive hunter then?

Speaker 3: 1:17:16

Yes and no, I'm so situational.

Speaker 3: 1:17:21

I'll get. I'll give you a situational, because I do put a lot of time in. I'm out there and I'm out there any waking moment that I can. So I'm very aggressive at getting out there. But am I very aggressive at hunting one specific spot? Probably not. I don't mind moving, especially in the earlier season. I don't mind moving around a little bit or trying new things or, you know, testing certain theories, like you know. Hey, the deer you know came through here at three o'clock yesterday and they were headed this way. So why don't I sit a little bit further this way and see what you know at four o'clock where they are, or at five? You know, I just try to move around a little bit. I try not to put too much pressure on individual spots. So I don't like to be aggressive in that sense. Am I aggressive about hitting the woods as much as possible? Yes, am I aggressive in I have to hunt these beds or I have to hunt this scrape or I have to do this day in and day out? No, gotcha.

Speaker 2: 1:18:27

Yeah, no, I think that's kind of the way that you got to look at it and hunt, I mean, I agree that's how you should hunt. You know Andrew's going to be full blown, like we said earlier, pushing to those beds, bump them out and hunt right on those beds. You know, you get guys that and it works for them, everyone. It works for different people in different ways. You know you hear a lot of people that hunt, buck beds and they, of course, they kill giants, all right, and they get super aggressive. And there's always a time in the place to get super aggressive, you know, and there are time and place to get, you know, super passive and just lead back and maybe not push and live to fight another day or live to kill another day. Basically, you know. So it is very like. You know, andrew's catchphrase is very it is very situational. So I think that all three of us probably would have the same hunting style. You know, where it's analytical, it's where we're playing it by the percentage, we will get aggressive when we need to get aggressive and when the time presents itself to get aggressive.

Speaker 2: 1:19:45

But you know why, bump out that buck. You know, and especially, you know we could say maybe in Jersey, for for Justin and I, if we bump out that buck he could. He's probably going to come back again. You know maybe where you're hunting it up. You know in New York or other people who are hunting Midwest or up in New York. They bumped that deer run. They may not see that deer for two weeks, three weeks or maybe even a month. You know, and you can go up on the neighboring property. You can get killed on the neighboring property. You just never know. So you have to figure out what is the appropriate steps, and that's all about how bow hunting where it is.

Speaker 3: 1:20:26

No, I would agree entirely. And that's it is all situational. Because if you, if you bump the, you know bumping does I've. I've bumped those and had them come back later that day. I bumped them and not seen them for two weeks. I've bumped bucks and then never seen them again and then next thing you know they're on the neighbor's property or they're up in some residential area because they know it's safe and they're hanging out there. So you do need to be cautious in how you approach your hunting areas, and one of the things that I that I'll do is I will.

Speaker 3: 1:21:07

I will move into an area in increments where, if I sit in a spot that I think is good, I may sit there, but I may not sit directly over something. I may sit a hundred yards away, see the, and I may watch how the deer are moving. Okay, Now I see they're coming along this trail. They're coming at this time. You know this is how they're behaving. Okay, Let me move 40, 50 yards up. Let me see if I can't get a little bit closer, Let me move. Okay, Now I'm in this tree. I see how they're reacting. I see how they're moving. Okay, Let me move a little bit this way and this will give me the clear shot opportunities.

Speaker 3: 1:21:42

And then from there then I can make that final decision where it's like, okay, the next time I'm going to hunt in this tree, and that should put me right in line where these deer are going to pop out. They're going to be in range and I can take them. So again, it's not about just hard charging right into a spot and trying to get in there and kill on the first day, Like you. Really. Is there a time and a place for that? Yes, I'm not going to say that there's not, but again, it's situational. You kind of have to go in with an open mind.

Speaker 2: 1:22:19

Great, I agree. A few more and then we'll get going. Only Bose when do you see your guys still for the next five years with only Bose? What do you hope to achieve? I know you guys do have a bunch of big plans coming. This season is going to be a big one for you guys. What's the five-year plan and where do you guys see yourselves?

Speaker 3: 1:22:45

Buying out the outdoor network.

Speaker 2: 1:22:50

I mean, I honestly I would love for that to happen. I would love for that to happen.

Speaker 3: 1:22:59

Realistically, would I like to grow the team and grow the brand a little bit? Yes, I think I'd like to be able to produce more content. I'd like to be able to produce better content, whether it's making me money or it's just something that I continue to do because I love doing it. I think that's irrelevant. I didn't get into this to make money. I didn't really get into this with the aspiration of having my own hunting show or being sponsored by Sitgar Matthews or any of this other stuff. Really, what I got into this for was because I love doing it and I want to share my passion with everybody. The five years, if I can grow my audience or our audience, that's really what I would like to see. If anything else comes along sponsorships, paid partnerships, anything like that great. But that's not what it's about. I think.

Speaker 3: 1:24:05

Really for me, it's just about sharing my experience with as many people as possible in the hopes that somebody will get something out of it, Somebody will get something positive from it. If it helps them in their journey, great. That's really what it's about for me. I can't really say that in five years, I hope that we're making good money and that we're doing our own show and we're doing this because that's not really the goal. The goal is that in five years I hope that we're still hunting. I hope we're still out there doing it Maybe we have a few new members to the team. I actually hope we have a lot of new members to the team and hopefully the audience grows. That's really my biggest hope.

Speaker 2: 1:24:52

I love it. Respectable, that's how it is. For a lot of people it's funny. You know what thought is like oh man, we were going to get this type of attraction and people are going to really follow along and everything like that. The money aspect is not why any of us are doing this. Listen, I'm not getting paid to do this, I'm really not.

Speaker 2: 1:25:20

If I do, or whatever the case is, that's all just going back into the brand Stuff like that. Hey, listen, throwing these events. There are tons of fun. It gets everyone together. It grows the outdoors. We can get new people who they've never been a part of something like that. They got all these questions to ask.

Speaker 2: 1:25:46

Whatever the case is, it's all about growth. Yeah, if we make some money, guess what that just means. We get to get more reach and more of an outlook and where it sets it up, hey, now we can do more events. Now we can do this and do that and do things that we never imagined, but that is so far out of, I think, everyone's mind.

Speaker 2: 1:26:17

I think it's really just doing what we love, filming what we love or recording what we love, and getting out there so people can find something and grab one thing, whether they listen to me or they listen to you, chris, or they listen to Dave or Andrew or whoever how many other people we've interviewed and talked to Maybe it's a young kid at home, boy or girl, that's listening and they really connected on what Elizabeth said for rookie hunting. Now they've followed rookie hunting and now they've gotten into waterfowl and turkey hunting something that they never thought they could do before. But no, this girl does it, so why can't I do it? Kind of like a scenario. That's what we do it for, chris, and them and Dave. They're all great guys and this is what we're here to do Just grow the great outdoors and just show you the things that we haven't saw in the love and the friendship and the brotherhood and the respect that everyone has for each other.

Speaker 3: 1:27:36

No, 100% man. That's what it's about just growing the community and trying to move forward in a positive way. If one person is helped by it, then it's worth it. That's it.

Speaker 2: 1:27:53

Yeah, no, 100% For filming aspect of it. You guys have got yourselves a good old studio there. You guys got all film equipment, everything like that. What is the goal for this upcoming year? It has nothing to do with killing or anything like that. What side do people for the filming aspect? Do you want people to see from you guys?

Speaker 3: 1:28:29

This is something that me and Dave, whenever we talk to people, this is something that we really harp on. This is real. This is not Bill Jordan's real tree adventures and the bone collector. We don't edit this stuff to show the best light. We film and we present ourselves as hunters as real as it gets, because, let's face it, we are just everyday dudes out here hunting.

Speaker 3: 1:29:01

I think that having the film equipment is just going to make us able to produce a better quality video or photo or anything that people are going to get a little bit more out of. It's not necessarily about being able to film more of what we're doing, although having more cameras does mean that we get better angles, better footage. All of this it makes the show a little bit more interesting With that. That's something that's going to appeal to an audience and then that's basically what's going to make people watch it. If you don't make good content, people are not going to watch it. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 3: 1:29:51

Filming and editing this year are really going to be a leap forward compared to last year. We had new editing software, new cameras. I was looking at some of the first footage from when I had the sharp stick and we had just my phone. That was it. It was my phone. We had no editing software, no anything, and it was junk footage. It was good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't what it was last year or the year before. It's certainly not going to be what it is this year. Again, the better quality of the content then, the more people are going to be likely to watch. That's it. The more people that watch, the wider the audience, the better our message of building a better hunting community is able to spread. It's able to get out there. That's really the purpose behind upgrading everything that we've been able to do.

Speaker 3: 1:30:55

Really getting into these live chats that was the purpose of opening the studio here. At first I was hesitant about it. I didn't really see that as something that I necessarily wanted to get into. Same thing with podcasts being a guest and actually out talking to people. It really wasn't about my own self-promotion with this. I was hesitant at first to do any of this, but now that I'm actually out there, we're getting positive feedback. I'd like to be doing more of it. It is a good venue. It is a good opportunity for us to share what we're about. Hopefully, we can keep this momentum going Sure.

Speaker 2: 1:31:40

I mean those lives for anyone who's listening I mean, I imagine, most everyone who's listening to you as you guys listen to our lives they've become so not only just useful and you see the growth and the education purpose, but they're also just tons of fun Just sitting back with you guys and just talking, laughing, talking about what we love to do, whether it's we're deer hunting, turkey, waterfowl fishing, equipment.

Speaker 2: 1:32:14

Having these great debates like it gives a whole nother concept of just growing and brotherhood and family connection. It's hard to explain, but if anyone who has they have not, make sure you guys tune in because they are incredible. It's literally it's like we're doing a live podcast. Basically it's what we're doing right now, but it's on Instagram live where people can ask questions, they can chime in. You get some of the guys that are absolute characters and like to bust chops and everything like that and are saying funny things in the chat, things like that. So it is definitely a pleasure. I love that you guys started that whole thing and it's just grown into something that that's absolutely great. Justin, anything on the only both topic before we move to our rapid questions.

Speaker 1: 1:33:10

No, I mean I found out about you guys through the live and then I've been following ever since and it's a pretty cool page and I think the name especially will catch on to a lot of people. So I think there's a break for sure yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:33:27

Yeah, no, it definitely is All right. Ladies and gentlemen, it is a rapid question time and you know always the first one. This is the dream hunt. Justin and I, we are going to guess what it is and then, chris, you're going to let us know. So it is a dream. Your dream hunt is for two weeks. Money is not an option. What animal? Where would it be? We're going to guess the animal, justin. What is your first guess? And I'm? I think I'm the only one that has guessed right on? I think any of them.

Speaker 1: 1:33:59

I'm going basic, I'm going elk.

Speaker 2: 1:34:03

You're going elk, okay, I'm going moose. I'm going to go moose and I'm going to one update. I wasn't going to guess the location, but I'm going to guess an Alaska.

Speaker 3: 1:34:17

Alaska caribou hunt would have to be it.

Speaker 3: 1:34:18

But if it was close, I would say that a moose hunt would probably be the second pick. So I'm going to go ahead and give you credit for it, because an Alaska caribou hunt is kind of something I've always wanted to do. I'm planning, I'm planning a hunt for next year with with the boys from team Wackenstack. We're going to go up and hopefully, hopefully, tag out on some caribou. But an Alaskan moose hunt is probably, is probably the dream, so I'll give you credit for that. There we go, we got it.

Speaker 2: 1:34:58

There we go. This is catching up, so it is. We've been doing this for a while now, chris. Since the podcast started three years ago we've been asking. I never took a record and then by the time I wanted to, I think we're at like 70 something episodes where I was not going back and going through all those episodes. There's one day where I am going to pay someone to do it. I know elk is winning it in that. So right now, since we've taken count, number one is Elkwood five, and moose is making a comeback with four. We had last night's episode that I did. It was moose as well. We got rookie hunting as a moose and we have someone else as a moose too as well. So moose is catching up.

Speaker 3: 1:35:47

Yeah, I'll give you moose, and the only reason I'll give it to you is because I'm actually planning on accomplishing the caribou hunt next year.

Speaker 2: 1:35:57

Oh, I'm looking forward to that. I mean, moose is on my bucket list. Obviously, everyone knows it's my dream. But if those Alaskan hunts I mean we're going to do a prep, a pre episode, with you when you guys make that official, and then we're going to do a post episode, Like I'm excited for that one for sure, like Alaska is just a dream come true. All right, now let's get it going. People are non typical.

Speaker 3: 1:36:27

Non typical.

Speaker 2: 1:36:30

Your favorite tree stand or slash saddle snack.

Speaker 3: 1:36:36

Chewy granola bars.

Speaker 2: 1:36:38

That's a good one. That's a good one. Go to broad head.

Speaker 3: 1:36:45

G5 Montec, 100 grain, three blade.

Speaker 2: 1:36:49

If you could get sponsored or only Bose could get sponsored by one company.

Speaker 3: 1:36:54

Sitka.

Speaker 2: 1:36:56

I was okay, all right. I wasn't sure if it was going to be sick or Matthews, that's the only.

Speaker 3: 1:37:02

All right, it's thick. I'll tell you I'd take either.

Speaker 2: 1:37:08

Not going to be.

Speaker 3: 1:37:09

the only reason I say sitka is because I only really need one, possibly two bows or maybe three or four, but I have a whole closet full of sitka gear. So I would say that either would be great, but sitka just because I need more of it.

Speaker 2: 1:37:32

Yeah, after a long hunt and unsuccessful hunt, what are you going to buy for dinner? Are you stopping at like Wendy's or something like that, or are you a home cooked meal type of person? What gets you out of that rut after a bad hunt? Pizza.

Speaker 3: 1:37:57

I'm from New York, so probably probably some New York pizza Gotcha.

Speaker 2: 1:38:03

All right, I like that answer.

Speaker 3: 1:38:05

Oh well, at least I'm in a good bottle of bourbon.

Speaker 2: 1:38:08

Yeah, well then, that was going to be my next one too. What is your post drink of celebratory after a hunt, after a successful hunt? What is your drink of choice?

Speaker 3: 1:38:22

Bourbon Several different types of bourbon, so it's hard to pick just one.

Speaker 1: 1:38:28

I'm a fan of the brand.

Speaker 3: 1:38:30

So I guess good fucking bourbon, it's probably one of my favorites. Also basil Haydn's. Probably a basil Haydn's.

Speaker 2: 1:38:39

All right. If we were to give you $2 million, what state would you move to to hunt Great tail deer or just hunt in general?

Speaker 3: 1:38:51

Alaska. Second second choice would be Montana.

Speaker 2: 1:38:58

You could split that mill to mill it up and buy a place in both.

Speaker 3: 1:39:02

Well, that's it Like. If I have to pick just one, I'm going to Alaska. I'm sorry, but if I am able to do more than one, then definitely Montana would be number two.

Speaker 2: 1:39:15

If you had to give up Thicke Matthews or just bow hunting in general, which one are you giving up? No longer where used or bow hunt, which one is it?

Speaker 3: 1:39:32

What's the point in living after any of that, though I don't even know how to answer that question.

Speaker 2: 1:39:39

That would literally just keep to the head. Yeah, I just knew it was going to be a tough one.

Speaker 3: 1:39:49

I guess I'd give up Sitka, because I can always start wearing Kooie you.

Speaker 2: 1:39:57

Still not going down to real tree with multiple layers on. Now you are given the scenario you shoot a 200 inch plus deer every year for the rest of your life. It's never caught on camera. You have no idea it's going to happen. It's never on trail camera. No, nothing, no one knows about it. You cannot tell anybody, or you consistently shoot, does for the rest of your life once again and only does.

Speaker 3: 1:40:43

Either one, they both taste the same. I didn't get into this to be famous, so I mean, it's not like I shooting big bucks like yeah, that'd be great. But I didn't get into it to be like, oh hey, look at what I shot. I got into it because I like the taste of deer meat, so either one it really doesn't matter, as long as it's filling my freezer.

Speaker 2: 1:41:08

Morning hunter or afternoon hunter, afternoon? If you can hunt only one week out of the year, what is your time frame?

Speaker 3: 1:41:18

Second week in November.

Speaker 2: 1:41:23

Favorite type of hunting condition, like weather scenario. What are we looking at?

Speaker 3: 1:41:28

Cold, cold, clear, yeah, so freezing to sub freezing temperatures, clear, sunny, maybe some clouds I would say that's probably my favorite.

Speaker 2: 1:41:47

If you can hunt with one person for the rest of your life, who would it be?

Speaker 3: 1:41:56

That's a tough question, teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 2: 1:42:04

That's a good one. I was not expecting that. I went with Fred Bear. I can't remember what Justin went up with Teddy Roosevelt. That's a good one.

Speaker 3: 1:42:15

I don't remember what I did.

Speaker 2: 1:42:17

I can't remember either the OG himself. That's a good one, jesse. You got any more that are sometimes hard to come up with. I just come up with the wackiest ones.

Speaker 1: 1:42:29

No, I thought they were pretty good, though I can't think of any off the top of my head, but those are pretty solid.

Speaker 2: 1:42:39

Light, heavy or medium era.

Speaker 3: 1:42:44

I'm going to decline to answer this because I have signed a non-disclosure agreement. I also don't want to ruin any surprises for anything that's upcoming.

Speaker 2: 1:43:02

I was given a little teaser to that, and it's exciting. That's all I'll say. My mouth is shut. It is exciting, exciting news. Yeah, no, let's see. I already know that you're a fixed blade person. I think I'm all out of rapid questions for now. Once you hit your normal ones, they are hard to continue with. Have you shot a bear? Have I no?

Speaker 3: 1:43:43

So is that on the UC1 year, letting it fly? This year I'm definitely going to hunt this bear here at RPS Property down the road here. I'm going to hunt that pretty aggressively for that bear. I've also been in talks with one or two other people about going bear hunting this year. I think that that's something that I want to get accomplished. Yeah, that's in the works, I think this year a lot of things are in the works.

Speaker 2: 1:44:14

I love it. I can't wait to see everything that you guys got going on. Justin. Any last words, chris. Any last words before we give our outro.

Speaker 1: 1:44:27

No, I didn't talk too much, but I thought it was super interesting. Justin never talked too much, unless it's turkey or water, it's the only way you eat. When it comes to deer, he listens. Yeah, I'm a better listener than I am a talker. I feel like I don't have any insightful input when it comes to those subjects, sometimes when people like you guys are more experienced.

Speaker 2: 1:44:49

That's why I do not talk anytime when it's going turkey season. I started talking more about waterfowl now because I'm starting to learn waterfowl or salt water fishing. You will not hear me really say anything on their show. We had a whole episode where I did the first part was deer, and I did that with Brendan Black, but I was so hungover and I love telling the story I slept during the second part and Justin carried the whole podcast about waterfowl. When I mean slept, I was literally just bundled up in this chair. I think I had a blanket because I was shivering. One eye was kind of open and I was like, oh yeah, this is going to be a great episode because I was able to listen to the whole entire thing. But I was like, oh, my head is pounding. I was just drinking water. I think I'm going to throw up, but I'm not sure it was just to get to carry a lot of those conversations.

Speaker 1: 1:45:52

Yeah, that's more my topic.

Speaker 2: 1:45:55

Anything else before we go?

Speaker 3: 1:45:57

No, no. Once again, thank you. Thank you for having me on, definitely thank you for having us out this past weekend. It was a lot of fun and, just as I always tell people, stay tuned. It's only going to get better from here.

Speaker 2: 1:46:12

Yeah, definitely. We appreciate you guys coming on and coming out to the event. Everyone who's listening now. Go check out OnlyBows. All their links are going to be down in the description below their Instagram, their YouTube page. They got Chris's OnlyBows official and the company is OnlyBows LLC. Go check them out. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and we'll see you guys next time.