Speaker 2: 0:21

welcome back to the garden state outdoors and podcast, podcast presented by Boondock Hunting. I'm your host, mike Nitre.

Speaker 1: 0:26

I'm Frank Mastica and today everybody we actually have Adam Malone. Is that Maloney? How do you say that again?

Speaker 3: 0:34

It's all right, monteleone.

Speaker 1: 0:36

Monteleone. All right, as you guys know, on Instagram he's outdoor and more with Squatch. So, squatch, you have the floor. Tell us a little bit about, like your background, how you became, and tell us how you became the Squatch.

Speaker 3: 0:52

Oh, sure, sure. So it all started out a long time ago. Ok, my name growing up, my nickname with my best friend was Spatzy. My name growing up, my nickname with my best friend was Spatzy. And it was only because years ago we were out snowmobiling around, riding around in the yards and I had this Carhartt hat with the ear flaps on it and there was a welder. That was an old guy that we knew around and they called him Spappy. But I liked the fight. When I was a kid I was that guy that was always the tough guy and stuff. So he called me Spatzy because I was always in a spat with somebody. So Spatzy stuck right.

Speaker 3: 1:37

So I'll tell you a funny story. His brother and sister there's about 15 years between his brother and sister, and then the other one's about 17 years they grew up calling me Spatzy, spatzy, spatzy. So one day my wife called over to the house and she says is Adam there? And the kids were like nope, no, adam here. And they hung up and she called back and she said you sure he's not there. They're like lady, we don't know who you're looking for. She said Spatzy, adam. Oh, we thought Spatzy was his real name.

Speaker 3: 1:59

So fast forward a little bit further. I was working at the school district at the time and I had bought a new pair of boots and you know we had to have all weather boots for out there when we're plowing snow and everything else. When I used to work at the school district and this guy, he says, man for a short guy, you got some big ass feet. And I said, yeah, ten and a half, I wear it. I'm five, six, you know. So he says you're like a spat squash, so spat squash stuck. And then fast forward.

Speaker 3: 2:35

Um, I started getting on Instagram. I never did much with social media cause I wasn't really all for it and I started doing my thing and I just came up with my handle of Spatsquatch. My original page on Instagram is Spatsquatch. So then everybody came to me and they said, hey, you know all these things that you post with your outdoor pictures and you're fishing and you're hunting and everything that you do. Why don't you have a darn YouTube page? And I said you know, I don't know, maybe I should do a YouTube channel. You know, I don't know if I'm capable, I don't know, I don't know technology that good. So I looked into it, started messing around with it and I said, well, I need a name for this, you know. So I said I know.

Speaker 3: 3:17

And there's another reason too. Okay, I'm part Native American. My great grandmother is Blackfoot Natchitoches, indian from down in Louisiana. So you wouldn't think a guy named Monteleone would have Indian roots, but I do. My grandmother was from Louisiana.

Speaker 3: 3:35

So I'll tell you a quick story. What happened. And my father, when he was younger, they moved from the city up here back in the 50s and this was desolate, there was nothing here. He was chased by a squatch one night and when you got more time I'll get into that. But being that, I had that tie that we always had that in the back of our mind out in the woods when we were kids hunting. And you're scared to death to go out in the woods because he told you the story and it's a true story, it really is. My grandfather swore by it. It's a long story, I'll tell you another time.

Speaker 3: 4:06

So I came up with the Squatch and more outdoors, you know, and and and I said, ok, well, that's good. So I'm going to call it the outdoors and more with the Squatch. So it's got a nice ring to it and I started posting stuff and doing stuff and then little phone videos. I didn't have the different cameras and stuff yet. So, uh, one thing led to the next, um, I started posting more here and there on instagram and, little behold, um, diz, uh, from. Uh, you know, you guys know, know, diz, I think he does Diz Outdoors and stuff.

Speaker 3: 4:45

Great guy, I love the guy. He's like a brother to me. We started talking a lot on Instagram and he was hitting me up because he was seeing the pictures of the big monster browns that I catch and the Lakers that I catch. And he's like dude, what are you doing? You know how do you do that and this and that. So we got to know each other and I saw he went on a live with Pursuit Energy, with Chris and Dave, and I'm like, oh, what's this all about? And you know, don't forget, I'm 49. I'm not. I got off the merry-go-round with the technical world years ago. So I'm like, okay, let me go on and see what the hell this is all about. And they were a nice bunch of guys. So I got involved. A nice bunch of guys, so I got involved. Uh, as you know, that's how I met you, frank um, through the pursuit energy team and you know, the squash uh took off.

Speaker 3: 5:35

I started learning how to do more with the YouTube videos and, uh, you know, I got in. I got into really starting to hammer down. Uh, I did the editor program here on the laptop. I was trying to figure that out. I'm still figuring it out but I do okay, I think with what I got I started doing the fishing videos with me and my father out on the reservoirs. Then we got into bow season. I mounted a camera on the crossbow. I shot a doe with the crossbow because I could mount the camera on that pretty good. I had bucks come in that I chased off during deer season and got footage. I was putting footage up.

Speaker 3: 6:09

The real nitty gritty started happening when I started doing my predator hunting after deer season and I really started to figure out the program on here and how to make things kind of coincide and work and you know it's not the best out there, I'm not Realtree or one of them guys but kind of coincide and work. And you know it's not the best out there, I'm not Realtree or one of them guys, but I tried to do my best and you guys know cause you do it. You see how it is. I mean for 15, 20 minutes of video that I got. I'm slow, I got to sit here and I work on it and I edit. Sometimes I'm there two or three hours and then I had a problem with loading up the YouTube and I had to learn to go on the um main page and then get the stuff to load up because they were longer than 10 minutes or whatever.

Speaker 3: 6:51

So, uh, you know it's been an adventure, but yeah, my, you know my background, you know basically, is just uh, had great, great family. Um, I was the little boy in the big Italian household that was begging, begging, begging and crying to go with my grandfather and go with my father on these deer drives and all my uncles and cousins and everybody would come over. We were fortunate enough to have about 125 acres of our own and then it butted up to family's property on the other side of the hill to like another 300 acres and you know, it was a nice, nice thing. But I was that little kid. Please, please, please, let me go. No, you're not old enough. And uh, am I boring you guys? Should I change?

Speaker 1: 7:36

no, no, listen, keep going, keep going, keep going.

Speaker 3: 7:43

I can go on and on, but I don't want to bore you.

Speaker 2: 7:47

We always have to talk about it.

Speaker 3: 7:53

Go, just go.

Speaker 2: 7:53

Just talk Don't worry, that's what we want, we want this.

Speaker 3: 7:59

You give me the cutoff sign like hey, you know enough, Shut up.

Speaker 1: 8:02

There is no cutoff.

Speaker 3: 8:04

You're good, okay, so to get back to it like I. You know enough, shut up, there is no cut off. Yeah, you're good, okay. So, uh, to get back to it. Like I said, I was that little kid, I, I, I idolized my grandfather and I idolized my father. And uh, you know, you, I was just fortunate man, I, you guys, you know a lot of people don't have it and you take it for granted.

Speaker 3: 8:22

You talk to people that don't have the upbringing and they learn later on and you say, well, how the hell don't you know this stuff, or how the hell can't you do it? And I was fortunate. I had a lot, a lot of know-how around me and I was striving, you know, and I got to be an age where I could go out and start hunting. And my old man told me he says, son, when you can pull my bow back, I will go to the store without any question and I will buy you a brand new bow. Keep shooting that bear pan that you got and keep shooting the recurve I gave you, and keep practicing with me and you'll get a deer, you'll learn how to do it. But you got to get enough where you can pull my bow back.

Speaker 3: 9:06

Now you guys know I'm not a real big guy but I'm pretty stout and when I was a kid I did a lot of firewood and I did a lot of physical work with my grandfather and my father and I turned what was it about 12.? And I took his bare whitetail hunter and my dad's a lefty, it didn't matter. I just turned the bow upside down, I pulled it back on the 60 pound setting and I says hey, dad, and he says yeah, it's just look, I got the bow back and he says okay, all right, all right, we'll go get you the bow, like I got.

Speaker 3: 9:37

I said okay. So he took me to the store, got the bow, I got a whitetail hunter too. You know it was 1980, whatever something, six, seven, I don't know. And you know I had a metal pin. I had six, seven different arrows um different broadheads. I was telling you frank about that.

Speaker 3: 9:58

Yeah, like so we're talking about it my old man was like, hey, if you want to go work for it this and that, and at the same time my father had gotten remarried and he started to leave the outdoors a little bit, concentrating more on a second marriage, and I started, you know, taking taking control of the woods around us and doing that thing. And my grandfather was getting older and older and he was 85, 86. He went out with his odd six that I still have and we went down in the woods one day and he blasted one off. It was a big old fat doe, probably 180-pound deer, and my dad and I were ducking for the ground because we thought he was shooting at us. He had cataracts and we're yelling pop, pop.

Speaker 1: 10:49

So I said oh.

Speaker 3: 10:49

I got one. I got one Come over and he did. He shot it. So that was his last deer, but every time that I shot, a deer.

Speaker 3: 11:01

He was there because the property was there and he would yell hey, yeah, dad, did you get him? I said yeah, I got him. Stop yelling, I got another one coming in, I'm going to shoot it, you know. And back then I was a killer, ok, I had no remorse, I would just go shoot everything that moved and I shot so many deer. My father come home from work and he says you got another one. I says yeah, pop. He says no more, you got enough. Stop, all the cousins got meat. You got we got meat. We don't even know. Just stop killing the deer. I said okay, all right. So I went on to squirrels and I shot squirrels. But I was taking the tails from the squirrels and selling them to MEP's lure company. And MEP's lure company would mail me lures in return for the price of what I was selling them in squirrel tails. But he was getting pissed because I was throwing them down the hill and back of the house. So uh yeah.

Speaker 3: 11:51

So you know, that was my later years in my teens and in my beginning in my 20s. And then I really started concentrating on um, you know, bow hunting, primarily ted nugent. Um, I can't say enough. Man, the guy you know started coming on TV. The Realtree guys Noel Feather, you want to bring somebody out of the woodwork A lot of influences, man, a lot of guys, a lot of guys. And I started shooting my butt off and I started saving money up. I bought different bows and I used to go to the 3D shoots that the gun clubs would put on and I'm like, hey, I can do this. So I said to my father I said, you know, we got the property down there. It might be lucrative, let's put an archery range in, okay. So we ended up buying 40 McKenzie targets at the time we had more than anybody else. They only had 20. We had to go bigger and better and we had 40. And we had every damn McKenzie had.

Speaker 3: 12:51

I went down, I set it all up. I did traditional for women's and I did a regular stake for men and got a lot of compliments on how it was set up. I did it real life situations, hunting scenarios. You know, I did it for the guys with the recurves. I knew the whole, the whole circuit, you know, and I practiced every day. I shot every day and I was shooting at one time 75 yards down a lane and shooting apple sized stuff, you know, and we called that the William Tell shot. Fast forward a little bit more. It got to be too hectic.

Speaker 3: 13:27

I sold the targets off to another local guy that had a bow shop and an archery 3D shoot. And then I went to work for a friend of mine, logging, and he was a big outdoorsman and his brother-in-law was running his store while he was logging. His brother-in-law thought it was a better idea to pocket the money than to give it to him. And he found out and he said I'm in dire straits, you got to go in the store. You know the outdoors, you know how to set up bows and you're a good salesman. He said so get in the store.

Speaker 3: 14:07

And I took his archery store and I turned it around and, like I was telling frank the other night, I uh would take a site that was a halfway decent site off somebody who was a little well off, put it in a draw when a guy that came in could barely scrounge up enough money to buy a golden eagle. That's the bows we used to sell. Uh, you know, I don't have the money right now for to say so hold on, I got a site. So hold on, I got a site here. You know where we would work something out $20, or I just give them the freaking site if I had a bunch of them and I help guys out. And that's where I learned that you know like we promote each other. You know, you guys, we promote each other on Instagram or on YouTube or whatever we do. And with your podcast I learned that it was really important to have that brotherhood with people and it's not all about you and what you can do.

Speaker 3: 14:53

It's. It's about being kind. You know, being kind to people goes a long way, and you know what? I don't take stuff easy. I mean, if somebody's you know an idiot, I'll treat them like an idiot. But you don't have to. Usually people are receptive. People are good, you know, and I learned that through there working with the archery.

Speaker 3: 15:15

Um, then I got a bug up my tail end and I said well enough with the compound. I killed a couple of deer. I killed that big boy behind me on my shoulder and I said you know what? Now I'm discouraged with the compound, it's time for the recurve. So I purchased a Bear Super Mag 48 and I practiced my ass off every night after work with it and I told my buddy that lived next door to us. I said you know, know, guess what? The first buck that comes in, that's got horns, is dying. And I was fortunate enough to shoot a four-pointer. That was a freak and he had a double main beam on the one side and it was an 18 yard shot. I drew back, the mystical flight of the arrow, as mr nugent would say, took place and the deer went down in about 65 70 yards with a magnus two blade uh, stinger buzz cut arrowhead on it.

Speaker 3: 16:09

So I hunted with the recurve for a couple years after that, didn't do much with it, um, didn't have really any good opportunities. I had one decent buck come by. I almost shot, but I didn't take the shot and I was like, hey, maybe I want to get back to the compound. So I got the compound bow. I went to a mission and I started shooting a mission. I had a mission craze. I didn't buy nothing crazy, I just bought a mission craze.

Speaker 3: 16:35

Started shooting that again killed a couple of deer with that. And then I saw the Elite Revel on eBay and I think it paid 600 bucks for a brand new and I said, okay, I'm going to get that. My cousin was shooting them and he says they're a good bow. I said yeah, yeah, yeah. So he says, hey, you know, anybody who wants to buy the Matthews Excuse me. So I said, yeah, bring it down, I want to check it out. So it was a Z3 solo cam and I said, let me shoot it, you know. So I shot it and I hit the bullseye right off the bat with the bow and I'm like, dude, you set that up.

Speaker 3: 17:10

He goes you taught me well, and I said, oh geez, no, that's cool, thanks, and he goes, you want it? I said, yeah, how much he goes, it's yours. I bow hunting and that bow blew up on me that I bought from Dick's Sporting Goods and you told me not to buy it. I said, yeah. He says, well, you gave me a brand new Matthews Feather Max back then. I said, well, I had to have a new bow every year back then. So I gave you the bow and he says, yeah, well, I didn't forget, you take this Matthews.

Speaker 3: 17:40

So I went on, I hunted, I killed the bobcat with that bow, I killed a nice eight pointer with that bow on the property that I live down the road here with and I hunt with it every year. I killed the big buck that's the other one that I got downstairs that big freak that I shot. He's bigger on the one side and he's got the fork on the other and I love the bow, I love it. I see all these raffles. You know he just sent me a raffle and I'm in the one with Chris and Dave. I'm like I don't know. I kind of like my bow, but okay, maybe the new Matthews would be cool if I would.

Speaker 3: 18:13

But, they wouldn't hurt. Like I said, I got the Elite I set up because it was sitting here collecting dust. I said I really should shoot the damn bow. I'll leave the Matthews for hunting, I don't want to wear it out and I'll start shooting the Elite. So now I'm getting used to the Elite. It's a 60% let off bow to revel versus the Matthews and 80.

Speaker 3: 18:34

So it takes a little bit to get used to. And I tell you guys, I mean, I don't know, I think Frank and I talk I get target panic, something bad. You put fur in front of me. I'll kill it dead. Stupid targets. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1: 18:48

I'm like I have the same problem.

Speaker 3: 18:51

Yeah, but you put the fur in front of you, yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:55

I don't. I don't like shooting at circles, I don't like shooting, I like to. I have to shoot at. Like I'm so much more confident when I'm shooting at an animal or just like at a realistic target, like it has to be like that. When I have to do like you know, the small circles and everything like that, I don't know what it is about it. Maybe it's we're overthinking it because, like, we want to get it perfect, like yeah, in the you know what in the bullseye, but it's.

Speaker 3: 19:21

It just doesn't work hell out of me, yeah yeah, I, I've been watching some stuff on youtube because you know what? I know a lot and if I was standing there watching either one of you guys, I could say, hey, you gotta do this and you gotta do that. So I started video on myself and I'm kind of like trying to work on my form a little bit more, because form is everything. Form is the most important. If you've got your form, your accuracy will follow, and that's what I've always taught when I've educated people through years over bowhunting.

Speaker 3: 19:52

And it's hard, though, when you're critiquing yourself because you got to watch yourself. You got to kind of like get in your own head and say, okay, this is what I'm doing and I go through this every year, but usually it's in August and I practice from August right into the beginning of October, and then I'm hunting and I'm fine, and you know I'm confident out to 25,. You know I'm fine. I'll shoot a deer out here where I hunt. It's very thick.

Speaker 3: 20:13

I don't like taking big, long shots. I don't have the opportunity in some spots to take these long shots, these hill Mary shots that some of these guys do, you know, and nothing against that, I mean, if I got an area where I can do it, I'll do it. And, uh, I've been, I've been stretching out. I I learned long ago it's better to practice further back and take the shot at 30 or 40 and then, when you get up to 20 and you start working on your form, there it's a chip shot you know, okay, you may fling an arrow, you might break an arrow, whatever you know, but you'll get pissed off at yourself and you'll working on your form there.

Speaker 3: 20:44

It's a chip shot, you know. Okay, you may fling an arrow, you might break an arrow, whatever you know, but you'll get pissed off at yourself and you'll stop doing that eventually, and you know so. I've been working at 30. Tonight I was shooting at about a heart-shaped size red balloon, tack to the side of the deer. Two shots. I drilled it. So I'm like, okay, and the one was just touching it, so, and the one was just touching it, so I'm like I'm getting there, I'm not.

Speaker 3: 21:05

I'm not butcher outdoors. He shoots, you know 90, a hundred yards at these targets. I'm like my God, this guy's a machine man, but I can't do that either. No, and they shoot great, but the guys shoot great. You can't take nothing away from them but it's good, it's all good.

Speaker 3: 21:20

I agree, you know it's. It's a cool thing and being now that I'm getting more popularity and I'm going to be doing more events, it's kind, man. I thought, yeah, I can. But sometimes it's like you know, life gets in the way and you get going and you know it's just very hard man with stuff. Sometimes you don't have enough time in a day.

Speaker 3: 21:55

I do landscaping and excavation work on the side. I gave up the mowing part of it for this year. I've been doing it for 21 years and my back is falling apart. 21 years and my back is falling apart. And it's because I was always that guy that said, get out of the way, I'll move it, or you know, let me do it, or whatever. And beating around on mowers for 21 years it's taken its toll on me. I'll still do the excavation work with tobacco or, you know, the bigger excavators when I need it for a job.

Speaker 3: 22:20

But I want to concentrate more on this stuff and hopefully with a lot of the corporations that you and I are with, and gaining more and more. I'm hoping maybe it'll be something for a retirement plan. You know, I would love nothing more than to have my own kind of outdoor network or outdoor show or produce or, you know, do something. I think you know I'm one of those guys and it's hard. I'm an older guy, you know, I'm not a young buck anymore, but hell, there's room for us, you know, and we still can kill, we can hunt and do our thing. You know, it's one of those things you know. So I want to try to make something with it, if anything, if I'm educating somebody not that you know I'm some guru but you know there's a lot of stuff I can bring to the table. There's things out there that people don't know am so happy to sit there when somebody's talking and I'll be like a sponge and I'll just sit there and absorb what people are telling me and and I'll take it and I'll actually use it and I'll say, well, you know, he had a great point on how he was going after these deer when he's tracking, and I've run into the same situation. But you know I'm going to do a little twist to it here and it's the same thing with fishing and I started fishing the reservoirs, uh, about six years ago, really solid, and we're like yo, we got to get up there. We're going to break the double digits on the Lakers. You know we want to catch a monster. I want a 25 pound Laker. And the first year it was like you know, uh, 21, 22 inch, you know stuff. And it was all right. We were doing OK.

Speaker 3: 24:06

Second year I moved the boat, I went further down to the dam and I went down where a deeper water was and I learned. I said, ok, I got to set up like this and I started hammering, started figuring it out, and I was going to the local bait shop and I bring the fish in just to show the guy. I was like look, man, your bait got me this. Look, I rigged this up this way. I'm not here to brag, I'm just thanking you, man, thank you for the good stuff. And he's like dude, you're doing awesome. He's like you're a freaking phenomenon up here. I'm like I'm like cool and um, downstate outdoors, great guy. Um, I started posting my pictures with him on instagram. Get a little bit of you know publicity and stuff. And he's like dude, you're freaking, killing it. Where are you catching these fish? I'm like on the reservoirs and he's like that's awesome. He's like keep it up, man, send me pictures. So I caught some monster lakers over 10 pounds, and you know it was really cool and I just started started liking.

Speaker 2: 25:07

You know, it really felt cool so, uh, now that is cool, that's great, like that, that's so cool. And you know, I've, we, we see these reservoirs, especially around us, like I don't, I don't know what it's like, you know being over there, but just like there's a lot that you know we can't touch and everything like that. But then the ones that that you do, it's like the people that that fish them, they, they're, they're not getting hit at their full potential, because a lot of people are just fishing from the shore and don't get that opportunity to go, you know, deeper, and everything like that. And that's like, yep, I drive past them every day and I'm like I can only imagine the size of the fish that are in there. Oh, no one has even like been able to fish for.

Speaker 3: 25:52

Yeah, so the so the big wives tale of the reservoirs that the old stories is. And my father said he knew a guy that was a diver, that had to inspect the dams for damage every year. He says I went down in my wetsuit and he says I was swimming around. And he says I told him no more, I'm not going down without a frigging cage around me. He says there's fish down there. It'll scare you to death, Big, big, big.

Speaker 2: 26:22

I believe it.

Speaker 3: 26:23

I believe it. Big, big, big. I believe it. I believe it. Yep, so I can. I can tell you from pictures of people that I know that that's even up on the reservoir guys. You know offices up there that I know there's 25, 30 pounders out of them reservoirs, and the best I've gotten it was 11 and a half and that fish was 29,. I think 29 and a quarter when I measured them. Then I got on the big browns. I like browns.

Speaker 3: 26:54

So I went to the shoreline. What was it? Two springs ago? And I don't know how religious you guys are, I'm a pretty religious guy, I know you guys know you know my sayings. You know, shoot straight, god bless. And God has done a lot for me in my life and I was. I was praying to God and I said, lord, I just want a trophy Brown and you know it's going to be windy tomorrow. I was really set on going out. What do I do? What should I do, you know? And he just told me where to go. He said go down by the bridge, and I'm like the bridge on the big rocks, yep. And I said, okay, I'll go. So I cast a crocodile lure out there and I caught a Brown. Nothing, nothing huge is a nice size Brown. Oh, wow, I was like cool, it was really cold, I mean it was freezing. Talking to my buddy on the phone and I'm like, yeah, I got one already. He's like cool, and my wife called you. Okay, up there. Yeah, I'm fine, I got one already. Great, great, I'll talk to you later.

Speaker 3: 27:51

So I took a saw belly minnow. I rigged it up on a slip bobber rig, which is just a bobber. It's got a hole through it and you put a stopper so you limit it how far it can go down with a small split shot. Right, I yank that thing out there. I go out maybe about 65 yards off the shore, I put it in a rock and I'm fishing with my, my lure. I hear I says uh-oh, I look down and that bottle is gone. I was like, oh, okay, cool. So I threw the other pole down. I start reeling and let me tell you what I felt. This fish and I went, oh god, it's a big one. So I look over and I go, oh, you dope, you forgot the net at home.

Speaker 3: 28:28

You weren't going in the boat oh man, I'm about maybe a foot, foot and a half off the water with these rocks. And I always use a fluorocarbon leader. Big secret to any trout fishing any fishing use a fluorocarbon leader. Big secret to any trout fishing any fishing use a fluorocarbon leader. Right, I says, oh God, I hope that fluorocarbon lasts on his teeth, because he's got teeth and I seen him come around once and then he came around twice and the third time he started getting tired and I said, buddy, just hold on, please, please, don't get off. And I knelt down on the rocks, I got him over to me and I scooped him up by the bottom of his gills and I just let out this roar, the old squatch roar, and I was like, oh my god, I'm yelling, and these guys are out in a boat. They're out like 35, 40 yards off the shore and they're like holy crap.

Speaker 3: 29:16

And I'm clatter, clapping. I'm like look at the size of this fish. It was a seven and a half pound brown. I'm like. I'm like oh my god. I says, oh lord. I says this is a matter of fact. I'll show you. I got it right here on the uh phone, that's. Can you see?

Speaker 1: 29:38

go up this way a little bit.

Speaker 2: 29:40

There you go. Yeah, a little more, a little more, a little more, a little more to the right.

Speaker 1: 29:44

Yep to the right. Come on, okay, yeah, yep, yep, that's the brown that is the beauty, that's me holding them.

Speaker 3: 29:52

You know, I got a big mitt, I got big hands, so anyway, I get the fish. I call my buddy up, I'm I'm like born, I'm like dude. It came together. God was right. He told me to get this fish. Go here, go here. You don't need any more proof than that. You know, and the old saying, walk by faith, not by sight. And and I did, and it's not the only time this has worked for me. I told Frank my story about the eight pointer that I shot because I ran in kind of the same situation. And do you want me to tell you that?

Speaker 1: 30:25

story yes, I do.

Speaker 3: 30:29

So I was out with the bow I had, I had a little bit of time, I was working a lot and I got in one of my favorite stands and is over where I grew up. It's about 10 minutes from here and this buck walks in, comes in behind me and he's quartering away from me, but he's quartering away kind of hard. And I had that Matthews mission and I'm telling you, man, I picked the spot right behind the shoulder, just back about the third rib back, and I said, okay, the exit's going to come out, just like middle back of his other shoulder, the exit shoulder. Take your time, make the shot, make it count. So I drew back, got to my anchor point and I just picked a spot and I let it rip and that arrow went all the way down inside of him. I could just see the fletching sticking out.

Speaker 3: 31:17

I said, oh, I hammered him. I said this is great, I got him. I got him. But he was weird, you know, and you always tell a lot by a deer's body language and I watched him like a hawk man and all the years I got killing deer, I said something right, he's walking, he's walking and I know I didn't punch him and I watched him go about 75 yards and there's a draw that goes down to like a little cut in the in the property and he was right by this bright, blazing orange maple tree is where he stood. For a second I said, well, I'll definitely have blood there. So I waited a good maybe hour and I said, okay, I'll get down and creep over, see if I can find blood. There wasn't a lot of blood, there was hardly anything.

Speaker 3: 32:05

And I got a boy I call my son. His name is Corey. I was never fortunate to have children, but this kid came along. He worked with me. He's like my son and we do a lot together. He's a great kid. He's 30 years old now and he started hunting with me when he was 19, 18, 19, working for me with the landscaping.

Speaker 3: 32:23

I took him under my wing so I called him up. I said come on over, you got to help me find a deer. Okay, all right, pop, I'll be over. So he comes over and we looked and we went right by that orange tree and there was dark red blood. I says, oh, okay, well, let me keep looking. Couldn't find him, no blood. And I'm a good tracker. And I said I can't believe I can't get this damn deer. What the hell happened? It was a perfect shot and I'm, you know, replaying it over and over. You guys know you get that instant recall. They call it instant recall. You got that instant recall and I'm going nah, nah, I know me, I know that shot was perfect. I put that arrow right down through him. He's dead. He's dead. Looked around, looked around, made circles, nothing didn't kick him up, nothing.

Speaker 3: 33:10

I says, oh man, I'm getting aggravated. What the hell is going on here? So at the same time, I had really started, you know, my walk with God. Really seriously, god had did something for me with my father. He healed my father and you know, I promised God. I said, you know, I'm giving you the time. I'm giving you the time. Why are you doing this to me? Why you made me this guy that loves the outdoors. You made me this guy that wants to be here and do this stuff, and then you take this away from me. I'm aggravated with you, I'm mad, I'm really mad. And all of a sudden, man you know, and some people never hear from God I'm very fortunate I do and he said listen to me and listen to me. Good, be patient, follow me and all your trophies will follow. You will get what's coming to you and I like. And I heard it plain as day and I said okay, all right, I gotta just I gotta go with it, I gotta go with it.

Speaker 3: 34:10

I called deer search and I got a hold of this guy and I'm talking to him and I said look, I made a good shot on this deer. I think he's just bleeding internally and he's dead. But I can't find him, no problem, I'll come up. I said come up, where are you? I'm in manhattan, manhattan. I says I'm in ulster county. Yeah, I know where you are. I used to hunt up in modena, he says. I said small world. I said you sure you want to come up? Yeah, I'm going to uh, green county to hunt and uh, it's on my way. It'll be a pleasure, I'll come up and help you out. Okay, cool, the guy comes up.

Speaker 3: 34:48

We walk around for about two and a half hours, three hours. It's starting to get dark. He says I don't know man, the dog went towards that lake about five or six times and I said that's where that deer went. He says but there's no blood. I can't find him. I'm so sorry. I said look, brother, it's all right. I said do you mind me praying for you, for your help? And he says no, not at all. I respect that. So I said a little prayer for him and I said God, please bless this man. He's went out of his way to help me make sure he gets a nice deer on his hunt. So, fast forward.

Speaker 3: 35:22

I go out for the next three days I try to find a deer. I can't find a deer. I looked everywhere. I am pissed, very pissed. Two days later I get a text message from him and he says look, here's the buck I got. Thanks for praying for me. It was a beautiful buck man, freaking 10 pointer. And he's like thanks, thanks. And I'm like OK, you know what, it's good enough, god, you know you. You you did that for me with him and I just said screw it, I'll hunt other places, I'll leave that stand alone. I don't want to go over there, I'm frustrated. So it was three weeks and rifle season started and I said I'm going back to my favorite stand, screw it. So I got up there with my trusty 257 Roberts with the FN Mauser action and it was like via Dom, there's shots going off everywhere I said oh God, there goes a buck.

Speaker 1: 36:17

Oh God there goes a buck, son of a gun. You're hoping they're all met there. Yeah, you guys have all been there. I you're hoping they're all met.

Speaker 3: 36:25

you guys all been there, you're okay, I know you've been there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going. Yep, there goes another buck. Yep, there was another buck. And then you hear like the three, nope, he missed. I said okay.

Speaker 3: 36:34

So all of a sudden it's quieted down and the woods got quiet. Then I I heard something. I heard a grunt, then I heard fighting and I'm like, no, I'm like not with all that gunfire, ain't fighting right now. And I heard the horn. I said huh, well, I look over to where that orange tree was the last place.

Speaker 3: 36:59

I saw that buck and here he came up the rock wall and he's limping a little bit and I said, no way, that looks a lot like the buck. I shot with the bow. So I got a good sky and a nikon scope on that 257. So I seen him coming up. He's walking out towards the log road and I don't have a shot. I zoom in on him and I can see the dark spot in his hide where I shot. I looked up. I said are you kidding me? Are you playing with me right now? Because this don't happen, not three weeks later, not with all them gunshots.

Speaker 3: 37:34

It just went off. I hit my grunt tube. He turned to the left and he walked up that log road and I said, lord, just let this bullet go where it's got to go, please, I don't want to have to not get this deer again. And he came out to the log road. He looked at me. I saw his dew hairs off his mouth and I seen him breathing. And he looked and he just looked around. Where's that buck that just grunted at me? Well, the buck that grunted at him was a 257 roberts with a 300 something thousand or 3000 foot per second lead projectile hitting him dead in the neck. He hit the ground, he flopped around and I put another one in him because I said I'm not looking for you again, bro, sorry, I had a friend with me and I got. Now I'm shaking.

Speaker 3: 38:19

You know how you get shaken from adrenaline, you know it wasn't because he wasn't a monster buck, he was just a two and a half year old eight. He was a nice eight. I get down and I'm like if that deer's got my arrow in it, I am gonna have a conniption. I got over there and there was the arrow outside of his between the hide, in the spot where I saw it stuck between his hide and his rib cage down into his armpit. It never hit his vitals. Never hit his vitals.

Speaker 1: 38:47

That's amazing it stayed in him for three weeks.

Speaker 3: 38:50

I've got the piece of arrow still at home. I showed you the picture.

Speaker 1: 38:54

Yeah, yeah, you sent it to me.

Speaker 3: 38:56

Yeah, I showed you the piece of the arrow, everything right, I got it all there. And then my buddy walks up and I said I had tears in my eyes. I said, can you believe that God just blessed me? He told me if I gave him time that all my trophies would follow, and it did. So I can't, I can't, you can't make it up, bro. You can't make it up and and it's. It's really like I said I don't know, I don't like to push religion on anybody. Like I said, I don't know I don't like to push religion on anybody, I won't.

Speaker 3: 39:27

Just because it says you plant a seed and you let it grow, and when people are curious they'll ask. Or they see what happens to you and they ask, and I believe everything has fallen into place with the outdoor stuff that I'm doing. I've met wonderful people've met you guys. I've met a ton of other people. Pursuit fell apart, it went out of business, but what we gained out of this is the brotherhood, the friendship, and I'm on this adventure now with God's telling me go this way, this is what you always wanted to do. I got six more years at my job and I can retire. Okay, if I can do something. You know I'll have 30 years, I'll say in six years I could get out pretty soon. But you know it's I think he's really pushing me to, to endure this trail of having the brotherhood, the camaraderie, the educational side of it. I'm making videos of stuff that I love to do, representing good companies that you know help you out too. And you know it's a blessing man. I mean, you know I can talk to you guys, like you know I've known you 20 something years. Why? Because we all have the same accord of hunting, fishing, the outdoors, the love of having that camaraderie. And you know, I just I'm blessed man, I'm really blessed and it's you know it's a cliche Everybody says I'm blessed. I'm blessed, I really am, I really am to get out and do what I can do. And I still got my old man, I still got my father, I got both my parents. My mom don't fish, she just likes to smoke. But anyway, you know it's, it's just the hunting side.

Speaker 3: 41:09

My old man, my old man and I, you know you're, you were, you're like two Rams when you're growing up. You know my old man was a hard ass. He was a hard ass on me and there was times, him and I didn't talk for a long time and it had a lot to do with the remarriage and the stuff and the bitterness. And then all of a sudden it was like one day, you know, we just I got my own place. You know, we've been living here over 15 years and I've been married 26, and time flies. It flies and I'm looking at my father and I'm going, oh my god, I see my grandfather and my father and he's he's at that point now, like it's like he's the young kid and I'm the guy that's teaching him like the father, and I'm constantly yelling at him in the boat hey, put it to fight, don't pull on the damn drag that you just butterflied the whole spool. You know, and I just told you two minutes ago, you know, like he would yell at me when I was a kid, doing something I wasn't supposed to do. But it's all out of love, we're fine. You know, right, and we have a shit, shit good time out there and he's so excited. You know, april 1st is right around the corner.

Speaker 3: 42:21

Here we got a new reservoir to fish that we only got in once last year. It's the best brown fishery there is in New York State. I can't wait. Guys watch what happens. It's crazy. So we bust on it. I call him baby Huey. I said baby Huey, get to the back of the freaking boat. You're picking the ass, end up out of the water. I put them in the front of the boat the one day I was going around circles trying to row, so you can't go in the freaking front. But we have a good time between him and my dad. We get out there and we we kick some butt fishing up there in these reservoirs. And you know, last year we got on the Shokan Reservoir, hadn't fished that one yet and was trolling around.

Speaker 3: 43:14

And I use Elmer Hinkley spoons. He's a local guy, if you guys have heard of Sutton Spoons. Sutton Spoons and Elmer Hinkley came out around the same time in the late 1800s and the company had sold and this guy bought all the dyes, the tooling, everything and his name is Pete. He's a hell of a nice guy and I used his lures up there and I hammered that big brown that was over eight pounds that I caught in the show kit. So just another opportunity, opportunity, another good guy. Um, you know I promote him when I'm out there on my youtube channel. Um, great lures, really great lures. In fact, I gotta put an order and I gotta get a couple of new ones that he made. So, uh, but you know, in there with, uh, you guys know, rack getter, you're on with rack getter uh, I just picked up the adventure with gerard, hell of a nice guy.

Speaker 3: 44:06

Uh, he hooked me up with some with some sense for uh fishing and I bought some of his calls because I love calling turkey. I don't even care about shooting them, I just love calling them.

Speaker 1: 44:16

Yep we're actually talking about setting up a hunt, me and you. We're just talking about it too. No, no, we are, we are, yeah, we're definitely doing it. Yep, I'm gonna be 100, I'm gonna be behind you.

Speaker 3: 44:27

I'm gonna be behind you and you're gonna shoot the damn turkey and we're gonna get it on video and you know um, you know I got. No, I'm just a nut, because I got one right here, you know, and it's you know, this is the uh rubber necker from uh uh beaver creek that I'm on with. Yeah, and I got some of his calls too.

Speaker 3: 44:47

His slate, oh my goodness, oh you told me another day on the phone oh, it's slate over glass and I've used a bunch of them, I've got the primo stuff and stuff over the years. Quaker boy, he said, uh, I'll send you out this call. I said, great, you know, I love sleet, I love using that the call. You can finesse them, you can get loud and I like sleet over glass. And man, I got out there and that thing is, oh, it's wicked. It's wicked, if that don't call a burden, I don't know. Um, also, uh, loving waterfowling, uh, lew Lewis, you guys know Lewis, he's making his own set of calls now and, um, um, uh, he wants me to be like his uh tester. So he's going to send me some stuff out.

Speaker 3: 45:34

Lewis is a good guy. Um, lewis Lau is his name. He's a loving waterfowl and he's got uh, uh, forgive me, it's uh hunting all of New York, as I think is his other handle. Great guy, nice guy Found out he lives not even 10 minutes from me. When he comes up he's a couple roads over. So he's like we got to get together. I'm like, yeah, we will. But yeah, so you know, where do you guys want, want to? Where do you want to go from here now?

Speaker 2: 46:08

First, before we keep going, I just want to say there's not many episodes where I get to Literally sit up, kick my feet up and just Listen and not think of like Think of questions to ask, and I absolutely love it because you're making my job so easy here.

Speaker 1: 46:26

I thought Mike was sleeping over there for a minute.

Speaker 2: 46:28

Listen I am fully, I got the headphone in. I'm just sitting here petting the bear. I literally am just sitting here petting the bear listening to this, and you know what it's. It's great because, you know, we've been talking about a little bit with you know, with people, and it's like the episodes that we've been doing this year. They're absolutely phenomenal and it seems like the episodes are going so quickly because the conversation so well, the storytelling so well, our guests are just really good at telling stories and talking and leading the conversation and it I appreciate that so much because usually like I'm like, okay, like I'm sitting here, I have to listen to the conversation, but I also have to start pulling, like, okay, this has got to be the next question, or or no, this has got to be the next, and I'm trying to pull multiple things.

Speaker 2: 47:16

So, um, I mean it's, it's so nice just sitting back and just and just listen. It's like I am we're not even recording the podcast. It's like I'm just listening to a podcast. So I I I deeply appreciate it. So you know, frank, you guys talk, talk a lot. So I'm going to let I'm going to let Frank be the host of this episode and I'm going to enjoy listening to all the stories and everything like that.

Speaker 2: 47:43

I I I do have to say my goal for this year is to get a brown trout. That is the trout that I have to get. Next, I think it's like one of the only you know trout that we have in New Jersey that I have yet to catch. So that is a huge goal of mine. Nice, and I'm obsessed with what I think they're so beautiful, Don't get me wrong. I love a great rainbow and I love brook trout, but there's something about a brown trout that, just like they are absolutely amazing. So I love that, that story and hearing about that. But one thing I will request is I want to know about that buck in the back I need to hear this story about, about the buck right behind you.

Speaker 3: 48:24

Okay, sure, I'm happy, sure, sure, no problem, I'd be happy to share it. Um, so I was a younger guy and, uh, I had just started working, I think, at the school district. So I was uh, 23, yeah, 23. I bought the matthews, I had a feather max uh z max, feather max and shot the hell out of it, loved the bow. And I got a cousin.

Speaker 3: 48:48

He was in one of my videos, we call him Chum Lee, but his name's Brian and we just we bust the hell, we bust balls on him, something fierce, and he's like the little brother you just want to punch in the mouth sometimes and tell him to go to his room. But I love him cause he's my cousin. And, uh, he shot, I, I, I got him in the outdoors. He didn't know he was a Newberg guy, he was from the city and, um, he never was around much when we were growing up and my grandfather made me promise him. He said, please teach your cousin. He didn't have the upbringing you did. So get them in the outdoors. And he's the guy who gave me a matthews, by the way, and I gave him my matthews years ago, okay, so, anyway, um, up behind where my dad lives, um, there was a nice section of woods there's about about 150, 180 acres and I had a sweet spot up there. We shot so many bucks off this ridge. Up there, um, it was a bowl that faced, uh, to the north and there was a log trail that came up from a swamp. So I was on the high side of it and I was facing that bowl and these bucks would run that ridge up and down, up and down, and every year, every year, we had bucks and you know, back then the trail cameras, um, geez, I had one that was like 35 millimeter film going back and you were lucky to get a couple pictures or something. But, uh, put the camera out.

Speaker 3: 50:13

Saw that buck, he's the buck. I told you before that. I saw the year before and he had drop tines. He had there's nubs on the bottom of his horns where he had to drop tines and it was just opening day. I went to that stand in the bowl and it was probably 6.30 or 7 o'clock and to my would be towards the east. The log trail is directly behind me. The tree I was in was just off the edge of the log trail and there was another log trail that went up towards the north, to that bowl and then up over the ridge.

Speaker 3: 50:50

Well, I heard all this stuff break loose and I looked down the log trail. And don't forget, now it's October 15th, it wasn't October 1st like they open up here in New York now. So the acorns were down, there was leaves really starting to fall and the so the acorns were down, there was leaves really starting to fall and the bucks were starting to feel that first rut. And that's when we started. We used to have pretty decent normal times of the year. You had a good fall and you had a good winter and it was starting to get brisk in the air and cool. And uh, I was like.

Speaker 3: 51:19

I heard this commotion and I looked over to the left and this big, big doe come out and she was zigzagging up the log trail to me and behind her I saw horns and I heard him grunting and I says, oh, oh, it's him, it's him.

Speaker 3: 51:35

And I said to myself Adam, don't mess this shot up, don't mess it up. It's the big buck, it's the one you wanted and, like I told you, target panic, that's yeah, who cares about that? I got this monster right. This is, he was. He's still the biggest buck that I've gotten. He's not the biggest buck that I've shot, but he's the biggest buck that I've gotten. So here I am, I'm in the stand, I can't turn, I have to pivot at my hip and I draw back and he's on a trot after her and I gave him the oath and he stopped. And as soon as he stopped I picked that spot and man I'm. Hey, I was using aluminum arrows, man x, xx, 78, right, I put that freaking arrow through him. The arrow's up on it, you see the arrow's up on his head yeah you can see it, it's the arrow.

Speaker 3: 52:28

Okay, so that arrow went through him. It cut his aorta, he mule kicked out and he took off in a half moon back where he came from. Hard I mean hard and I almost passed out and I sat down in the stand and I couldn't get my composure and I said, oh, oh, my God. I said I just shot the biggest freaking deer I've ever seen. I got him with the bump. I don't believe it. So I climbed down real easy out of the stand and I had my three-wheeler up there. I had a Yamaha Trimoto. It was an 86. I still got it. I didn't even start it up. I was so afraid I'd push that deer off somewhere. And the year before my brother had shot a nice buck out of my stand with my 35 just down below that ridge. So I knew there was another big buck. I saw this guy running with that other buck the year before.

Speaker 3: 53:22

Right, I walk all the way back out of the woods. My step-uncle's in the tree stand closer to my dad's house. I'm like Dennis, he's like what. I go, I got a freaking monster. He's like what. Already I said, yeah, he goes. You must have, because you're never out of the woods this freaking early. Well, where is he? I said I got to go home. He's like what do you got to go home? He's like what do you got to go home? I said I got to go home. I got to. I'm crazy right now. Okay, okay, so we go home.

Speaker 3: 53:53

I wake my brother up. He was working second shift. My brother's seven years younger than me. He's like what the hell do you want? I said I'm going to need your help. Come on, man. You got to help me. Come out and get this deer. Okay, all right.

Speaker 3: 54:04

So we waited about an hour, had some coffee, I got a little bite to eat. All three of us go back up there. He said where did you shoot? I said right here. He goes. Oh, there's blood everywhere. I'm like yeah, so I'm walking nice and slow, nice and slow, nice and slow.

Speaker 3: 54:20

And about 65 yards the deer is boiled up laying there and I said, oh my God, there he is, there, he is my. And I said, oh my God, there he is, there he is. My uncle goes. That's not a buck, it's a doe. It's got its head in the limbs from that tree. I said you got your glasses on? He says no. I said that ain't limbs from the tree, that's its horns. He goes. Oh my God, it is Holy cow, he goes. That thing is huge. I said yeah, yeah. So I'm screaming and yelling and carrying on like a little kid. I'm like, oh my God, I did it, I finally got him. I got him, I got him, I got him and couldn't have been happier.

Speaker 3: 54:56

We, the whole three of us, grabbed a whole lot of deer and we're like, oh my God, he's a horse. So I picked them up, I put them on the rack. I had a rack on the three-wheeler on the back. So we pick them up. I have bungee cords, I bungee cord them down to the rack and I gotta sit on the gas tank because I can't even steer this thing getting out of the woods, you know. And they're like god dang adam, that thing is huge. I said yeah, yeah, he's getting mounted, he's definitely going on the wall.

Speaker 3: 55:19

So, uh, yeah, so that was the story of the big guy there, and, uh, here I'll show. Actually, I got pictures right here. This is tremendous. Yeah, so yeah. This is how long ago it was. It's even on 110 film. I'll show you. So this was the year before. Let me see that buck right there. That's my kid brother. That's him that was his first deer he ever shot out of my stand. Why, yeah, I said you little bastard, put my gun in my out of my stand and that's what he killed, that that big old, big old eight.

Speaker 3: 56:02

Right, okay, so now the next year I go up in the same area and I says, well, you're not going to shoot that freaking deer and add up from our dream. But, uh, yeah, so this is, this is a picture of him and I that you know that's when I had a normal beard. Uh, there we go. That's him and I with our bucks. That's my wide buck and that's his tall buck. That's me with with my baby beard.

Speaker 1: 56:28

Yeah, man.

Speaker 3: 56:29

Yeah, so, and that's him with his buck, and you know, look at how old this is. This is look, 110 or 35 millimeter.

Speaker 1: 56:38

Gorgeous Two studs.

Speaker 3: 56:40

Absolutely. We had a real good area back there. My cousin shot some really nice bucks up there with us. A good friend of mine, brian, uh heatherly um air guard guy, him and I are like brothers. We we hunted up there. Uh, he, he had a shot at a nice 10 pointer up there. Uh, he didn't get it, unfortunately, but it was a good area. And then guess what development time they came in and put a development in and ruined all the MPCs. Oh, of course. So that went that. And fortunate enough, though, just down the road from there I still have 100 acres. For now they're talking about trying to sell that, but I still got 100 acres over there where I grew up, jesus.

Speaker 2: 57:22

Trying to sell everything.

Speaker 3: 57:24

Yeah, we got hit really hard with EHD. Um, what was it Three years ago?

Speaker 2: 57:30

You couldn't walk in the woods over there without stinking.

Speaker 3: 57:32

I mean it's stunk Holy hell. And, uh, I lost a lot of bucks, I lost a lot of good deer out of there and that place had turned to crap. It was such a good spot too. I had, I had some really nice bucks over there and it went downhill, just went downhill. I stopped hunting over there, um, I let it come back and now I'm starting to see, you know, decent deer there again, nothing monster, but I'm starting to see um, nice deer, you know decent deer. Um, so I'm hoping it comes back.

Speaker 3: 58:02

Um, that's where I was the other day when I was in, uh, cleaning the trails up and I made that little earth blind, frank out of the turkeys. The turkeys are in there. Yep, um, I just got the turkey like twice already on the same trail camera and he's been through between 9 and 11, so he's gonna die. Um, yeah, um, but you know it was. That's a good area, good gene pool over there, and I have seen there's been really good bucks coming back now. Um, uh, that guy lewis, he's, he's actually the adjoining property out a little further from that. He was sending me some trail cam pics and I was like, yep, yep, starting to come back.

Speaker 3: 58:38

That's the dogs downstairs playing with each other um yeah, so that was the story of the big buck. There I was very blessed and fortunate um. Let me see, I can pan over.

Speaker 1: 58:49

How much did he weigh? Again squatch 225, 225.

Speaker 3: 58:56

I mean you guys can, I mean you can see how big his neck is? Yeah, yeah, his neck, his neck is huge. If you, you measure around that with the tape measure, it's 33 and a half inches, big as some people's waist. So, and that, that little younger eight, there, I shot him right out from underneath my cousin that was. I told you he's the little brother I want to punch in the mouth. Um, he kept going.

Speaker 3: 59:21

Ever when I killed that buck out of that stand in the ridge, it was the next year. Oh, hey, man, you think I could go up there. I really like to shoot a nice eight pointer. All right, brian, go ahead. Bang, opening day, bang, another opening day. I let him up there. I'm like you're freaking killing me, man, what, what? You're showing a lot of deer. I said, yeah, but come on, man, put your own stand. Now I gotta do all the work. You know this and that, yeah, so so what do I do the next year?

Speaker 3: 59:47

The Squatch scumbag hunted him. He went up ahead of the ridge on him same run and I put a stand up and I can just see the top of his head from where I was and he can see me. So I said, look, you got them if they come to the bottom side of the ridge. And I got them if they come to the top side, all right, he was just trying to hit me up on the walkie talkie. Hey man, that eight in here, boom, and he went tumbling down. He's like oh man, I was just getting ready to pull up. I said no, no, no, not this year.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

I took that eight right off my turn, I had to come back up to get my buck out of there.

Speaker 3: 1:00:19

But you know he was all right, we're just. You know it's all fun and games brotherly love I'm sure love guys can relate to. You know how it goes with that stuff. But yeah, you know it's, it's. It's all good man, it's all good and like anything. You know when people are with me I'm glad, I'm happy for them. You know, don't get me wrong you, there's no friends when you're in in. You know racing or hunting. You know if you're you're next to that guy, I'm getting that buck. You guys go on your own.

Speaker 3: 1:00:51

I hope you get him out of the woods, but I'm not giving you all my secrets of where he's going exactly exactly, I'll help you drag, I'll help you do that type of stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

But besides that, like yeah, no yeah, but no, it's all good.

Speaker 3: 1:01:06

You know I'm, I'm 90% bullshit. Anyway, you guys know me, I'm I love to help people out man.

Speaker 2: 1:01:12

But uh, exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:01:13

You know it's, it's, it's good there's, there's been some really, uh, fortunate, fantastic hunts. Um, the pictures downstairs, the story of the two bucks on the mountain, um, I was telling you guys that son cory um that worked with me, him and his dad and his grandfather used to go up to a spot that was state land and, uh, he was begging me. He's like yo, come on, you got to come up. I'm like I'm not coming in on your guys's place where you go, and that's your deal, you guys hunt. So he shot a nine pointer out of there the one year and he called me up. He's like pop, I got a nine pointer. I'm like, oh, good for you, man, that's your deal, you guys hunt. So he shot a nine pointer out of there the one year and he called me up. He's like pop, I got a nine pointer. I'm like, oh, good for you, man, that's awesome. So, uh, he's like you got to come up next year, you got to come up. There's bears up there. You got to come up. And I'm like, yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:02:01

So his grandfather's knees got really bad, he couldn't go up and his dad, you know, he just kind of like fell out of the hunting circuit. You know, he just never was a guy, was never really much of a hunter, but, you know, got his son involved in it and that's cool, you know it was good. So time for me to kind of step up and take him under my wing and teach him the way I hunt. So I said where do you want me to go? He says, uh, well, my dad usually goes out over here, two ledgesges up, and I got on X on my phone and I'm looking. I'm like, yeah, all right, well, it had snowed. It had snowed the day before. And I'm walking in and it's pitch dark. Never been in these woods before. And I'm using my OnX and I'm looking, with the snow on the ground, I'm like, oh, that's a good thing. And and I'm like, oh, that's a good thing. And I can't answer that, sorry guys. So I look at these ledges and I'm like, huh, I said that looks like a good spot. There's a blowdown right there and I said I'll tuck myself in right on that blowdown. Usually I'm a tree stand guy, but I hunt on the ground some places and it's a big piece of DEP state land and I wasn't going to put a stand up there. Too many people you know you don't know where it's at Found a spot, got into the blowdown.

Speaker 3: 1:03:17

I have my .35. I love my .35 Marlin. I've killed more damn deer with that lever gun. My father bought it for me when I was 12 years old and I love that gun. That gun is a part

Speaker 3: 1:03:27

of me. We could tell stories for hours and I had my trusty 35 Marlin with me and just as it started to break daylight I heard all hell break loose, three ledges up ahead of me and this big buck was chasing a doe and he stopped for a second. I laid the gun down on the log and I was basically shooting on a hard angle up and I shot. The buck just took off. I was like, oh, I knew I shouldn't have shot that far with this thing, damn it. So I stand up, I turn around and behind me about 35 yards is a great big eight pointer standing there and I'm like boom and I shoot him and he drops right to the freaking ground and I'm like, oh shit, I got him. I said, oh, I hope I didn't hit that

Speaker 3: 1:04:15

first deer. Now I'm freaking out and I don't know. I haven't been up here before. I don't know who's around, so he's trying to call me on the phone. So I could barely hear when I shoot. I'm a drummer, I've been, you guys, there's my drum set, so I mean I've been drum since I was five years old. But uh, when a gun goes off, the old squatch goes deaf. I can't hear nothing. So I'm trying to talk to him on the phone. I'm like get your ass up here. I just shot, I think, two bucks. I don't think I got the first one. Now, okay, no problem. Comes up. He looks at the eight pointer. He goes holy crap, pop. He says that thing's a freaking monster. I said, yeah, it was your first time up here. You shoot this big ass eight pointer. I'm like, yeah. I said go up the hill, go up till I tell you to stop, all right. I said to the left oh pop, there's blood everywhere up here. I said, oh, frig me, here we go there he is, he's laying dead.

Speaker 3: 1:05:10

He's a big seven pointer. I said, oh no, he goes, don't worry. Don't worry, I, you can use my tag, I'll tag him, I'll tag him. I said all right. I said come on. So we come out of the woods with both of them bucks. And he tells me don't worry, pop, there's never anybody up here. I said there's never anybody up here. He says, yeah, I never see anybody up here. Here comes two guys and they're dressed in green and I'm like, oh no, I said uh I said, oh god, no.

Speaker 3: 1:05:40

And uh, it's two guys that he knows from a camp down below and they're like nice box guys. I'm like, oh, thank god, because, like we didn't have nothing. I mean we filled it out but we didn't attach it to the deer because we were dragging them out of the wood jet to where we got to park and then drive 20 minutes down this log trail to get out to the main road. So it was so funny. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to brain you. I said you told me that there's somebody freaking here, and now there's people here, you know, and he's like, no, no, it's okay, it's okay. So he ended up tagging the one deer and I tagged the other one.

Speaker 3: 1:06:13

But uh, and bear with me, I'm just looking for the picture on my phone of him and I, uh, when we came out of the woods with the two bucks. But actually, if I'm smart, I'll go to me and it'll show the pictures of me, yeah, but it was really cool, man, and it was, I was blessed man Both of those bucks at the same time. And you know I don't I try to always. You know, you always follow the laws as best as you can.

Speaker 2: 1:06:45

But sometimes things happen and you know they were legally tagged and that's my story and I'm sticking to it, and and that's the thing, like I think the unfortunate side is when you're trying to do everything legal and listen, at the end of the day, yeah, that's a, that's a, it's a quick second judgment call where it's like, ah, you know, maybe maybe I didn't hit that deer maybe I you know, whatever the case is, and I honestly I thought I, I, I mean I swear I I honestly thought I missed the deer.

Speaker 3: 1:07:09

It was a long shot for a 35 marlin. And uh, I the deer ran, it just ran. I said I I didn't hit him, I never, because usually that gun just drops them to the ground. But uh, you know, he got up there. I'm like, oh god, what do you do? You're gonna let a deer go to waste, or you're? Gonna let exactly you know he got the deer but uh, you know it was here. Here's the picture here here we go.

Speaker 1: 1:07:36

Let me blow it up a little bit okay yep, yep, nice.

Speaker 3: 1:07:46

So that's him, that's him and I. When we came out of the trail and we're holding hands like a couple you know weirdos, but sorry, I gotta be kind of, you know. I don't want to say the wrong thing, but this is yeah so there's, there you go and then my girls are down by my feet. But you know it was a blessed day, man, I mean it really was. It was a lot of fun, you know. Here's give you a little background more on me. Here's my two beagles. I got four total.

Speaker 3: 1:08:24

That's me with the rabbits.

Speaker 1: 1:08:25

That is awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:08:32

You know, and it's's, here's a we were talking about sheds. There's a set of sheds, yeah, yeah that was a couple years back that deer got shot by uh, the joining property neighbor, neighbor guy got him how far are you from jersey?

Speaker 2: 1:08:44

how long does it take you to get to Jersey? I'm just curious. No, no, no.

Speaker 3: 1:08:52

Maybe close to 45 minutes to an hour.

Speaker 2: 1:08:56

All right, that's not bad.

Speaker 3: 1:08:59

I'm in by Newburgh.

Speaker 2: 1:09:01

New York I'm north of.

Speaker 3: 1:09:02

Newburgh. I'm not far. I'm in between Newburgh and Newport. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1: 1:09:08

I think it takes me an'm in between Newburgh and New Paltz. Let's put it that way. Yeah, I think it takes me like an hour and like 10, hour and 15 to get up to our place upstate.

Speaker 3: 1:09:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:16

So it's not too bad.

Speaker 3: 1:09:17

Yeah, here's a Jeremiah Johnson picture of me with the turkey, and that's when I look like Jeremiah Johnson. That's so cool. You know I could bore you guys to death. I mean, ok, so the next year after that, pop we going out opening day? Yeah, we'll go back up to the mountain. He goes don't shoot up the woods.

Speaker 3: 1:09:37

This time I said, ok, son, I won't, I won't. So I'm sitting there, same damn spot hanging out, and it's just getting light. In the next ledge up ahead of me, I see these big black four legs walking along. I went, oh, wow, that's a big black bear. I was like, okay, he comes full broadside to me. I squeeze the shot off. That bear comes tumbling down the mountain and he's like coming right to me. I always carry a sidearm, so I have my 45 smith and wesson. I pulled the smith out and I'm like, if he jumps up and he's gonna attack me because he's hurt, well, he did his death moan literally five feet away from me and I am, I hammered. He wasn't by any means a huge bear, but that's me with the bear right in the same spot. These are some great pictures.

Speaker 1: 1:10:34

They are man.

Speaker 2: 1:10:35

Wow, thank you very much.

Speaker 1: 1:10:36

Some great stories too.

Speaker 3: 1:10:38

Thank you. Thank you very much. That's a little bit better picture of him. You see my 35, my good old 35.

Speaker 2: 1:10:48

How many animals have you killed with that gun?

Speaker 3: 1:10:50

roughly, would you say you're you, you wouldn't believe me. You wouldn't believe me. Um, and we've my cousin and I sitting down uh, drinking, talking about how many deer I've killed over the years alone. You got to remember something too I used to work on a farm as a kid. Uh, the farmer would tell me to go out and shoot the deer. So I don't, I don't really count that. I mean you can. But if I had to guess to me how many animals I've killed in my lifetime, it's over 250, um, respectfully 250.

Speaker 3: 1:11:26

I've had a gun in my hands since I was 13 years old and I got. Where the hell's the picture of that I got? I mean there's pictures up there, so I'll show you guys another time out of my album. But you know, 13 years old, I'm 49. How the hell did that happen? I never thought I'd make it past 20 guys, honest, honest, I, when I was younger, I was hell on wheels and uh, you know, but that's that's god, that's god. God said, hey, now that stuff, you're, you're, you're a good guy, you're gonna, you're gonna make it and you're gonna be something. And, and you know, I've made a good living for myself. I'm very fortunate. I got a roof over my head.

Speaker 3: 1:12:09

I got a great wife um a loving family and great, great friends, great friends, people I call my brothers and that's why everybody here, when you guys, you guys, you might get tired of it as you say brother all the time, those are my brothers, man. I don't care no, we're brothers, brothers all together can never get tired of it, right. But you know it's one of those things and and yeah, so if you ask me, you know, respectively it's it's at least 200, 200, I'd say a good solid 225 for sure, but I think it's closer to 250.

Speaker 1: 1:12:46

That that's amazing, Some experience right there.

Speaker 3: 1:12:49

There was times guys, no lie, and I'm not, you know, probably incriminating myself, but when I was a kid I shot a lot of deer. I shot a lot. They weren't great deer, they were just deer. And I had a lot. There was a guy that used to jack deer by me and he was a piece of crap and I'll call him that because he was a real piece of crap and he would brag about the deer that he shot. And I was friends with his nephew and I found out and it's I'll tell.

Speaker 3: 1:13:15

I swear to god, guys, the only time I hunt with a light or whatever now I don't even hunt with a light anymore is I hunt with infrared on my scope that you guys can see in the videos. Yeah, I never, never, never would do that or feel right about a trophy on my wall ever. And this guy used to do it to me. He would cut deer out from underneath me. So I got to be really angry at that dude and every deer that I saw I shot, because I said you know what? You're not gonna out shoot me, you're not gonna out hunt me.

Speaker 3: 1:13:46

And I was a lot younger then. It was a different mentality. So I shot a lot of deer.

Speaker 3: 1:13:50

You know there was years of sometimes seven or eight deer I'd kill and they were accounted for. They were all tagged. I had my grandfather's tags, I had my father's tags, I had the deer were tagged. You know what I mean. Um, we always stayed within the guidelines. But, um, that's where the numbers, when I tell, tell you how many deer over the years that I've killed. And you know, I feel having the American Indian blood in me.

Speaker 3: 1:14:17

I changed from that. I changed from that killer that was just out to find blood and hunt. And I ate don't get me wrong, I ate everything we shot. I would never let a deer go to waste. My grandfather was a butcher second generation butcher from Italy and he taught us kids and my father had a butcher to deer. So every deer that I kill, from the time it hits the ground, is processed by me. I've got videos. I'm going to put videos out of actually processing the deer and cutting it up. I did a couple on Instagram showing you five cuts of meat out of the rump. But you know a little bit to brag about myself and I don't mean to toot my own horn, but everybody that tastes my game and the meat that I smoke. I've got a pretty good reputation on what I can put out there and hopefully someday I get to share with you guys.

Speaker 2: 1:15:08

Yeah, I mean next game dinner. I hope, I hope you can, you can make it and you know, bring some of your, you know, smoked medicine down.

Speaker 3: 1:15:16

When is that? Tell me the date again. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

We have the next one. This one coming up is next Friday, so the April 6th, and then this. This will be a yearly, yearly, annual thing and then we're going to be.

Speaker 3: 1:15:30

We had a meeting last night Not officially confirmed yet, but we'll be doing another event, probably in the summertime, and we'll do our second Annual like meet and greet and just like Bow shoot, just to have fun, a little competition, everything like that, and just that would be cool, because the summertime one Would be better For me to get down that way to you guys, um, and I would have more time to, you know, prep some stuff for you, because I got two deep chest freezers downstairs that are full, um, and not only that, I'll have trout by then. I can smoke some of the brown trout and the lakers, oh yeah I'd love to let you guys try that with my brine.

Speaker 3: 1:16:09

That I do, and you know, if you like it, I'll tell you even how I do it. You know I'd be happy to share that with you, definitely. But you know it's, yeah, the 35 and I have divided and conquered a lot of deer over the years and I'll post I'll usually post a picture with it in my hands or or you know, just saying you know it's, and I sit back and I go, I got the brain of a 16 year old. I really do. I'm like 16, 18. I still tell myself I could do this. And then I go, oh, wow, I'm hurting. You know it's like, yeah, I got to 18.

Speaker 3: 1:16:48

I still tell myself I could do this. And then I go, oh, wow, I'm hurting. You know it's like, yeah, I gotta. I gotta realize I'm 49 and I'm going to be. You know, next January I'll be 50. I'll hit the big five. Oh, but you sit back and you go my God, I've had that gun in my hand since I was 12 freaking years old man and you know, you think about the things that happened to you over the years and the trials and tribulations that in your life that you've gone through and that that damn rifle's been by my side that whole time and there was a while that I had there was a little while that I had put it up.

Speaker 3: 1:17:22

I put it up and I was on the 257 roberts kick, I reload, I reload. You guys, there's my bench. It's cluttered with crap right now but nice stuff, I mean, I got, I got. Uh, I want to do some stuff with the reloading on here, but, uh, like this, here, these are the uh, these are the 257 roberts that I reload. That's my uh 117 grain round nose and that's bad medicine for deer. That flies at 3,100 feet per second and I shoot only Magnum bench rest primers for my primers.

Speaker 3: 1:17:59

I was really fortunate to learn from a fella. His name was Leroy. He was a guy in our gun club. He's a freaking nut. He's the only guy around here shot bigger deer to me, um, and he was a reloader. And I asked him and I said, hey, you know, can, can I learn from you? And he's like sure, he's like, yeah, I'll come over.

Speaker 3: 1:18:22

So, uh, I was still living at my dad's house at the time. I had a nice uh 12 by 20 shed out there and I had to bench out there and he told me what to buy. Just buy a lead press. You know, you don't need nothing fancy, which is, oh, that press right there, that single stage. I got the. The big one is over there behind me, right there, and he's like, yeah, just buy that you, ok, cool. So I bought him a 12 pack, you know, using easy date. I said. I said, yeah, here's your beer, teach me what you know. So he did, he taught me what he knew and all little tricks and he shot a 6.5 times 55 Swedish Mauser, which was real close to Roberts, and you know, I learned.

Speaker 3: 1:19:07

And then I started reloading for my 204. I started reloading for all my guns, my handguns. I just worked up a really cool load. Do I got any sitting here? Well, no, I got empty cases, but that's my 45 brass that I had shot, that I came up with. Um, I had to work up a recipe. Uh, I got all kinds of stuff. Frank, remember I was telling you about that powder. Yeah, there it is. That shit's older than me, that's probably. That's like 1972, 71, and it still goes bang. Can you believe it?

Speaker 1: 1:19:46

it's unbelievable that's amazing man I'll tell you what man.

Speaker 3: 1:19:50

It's sealed up in the can. It works great. But anyway, I, I got into reloading and then I, I, you know all aspects, like you know. Somebody said to me, oh, you know how to do arrows. And I was like, yeah, I used to work in a pro shop, man, I used to have to do two or three hundred arrows for, you know, a whole season. You know gluing stuff together and we only had the bits and burger jig. We didn't have the Arizona easy fletches or anything like that and make it quick. You know, hey, man, you got my dozen hours ready. Yeah, dude, I got glue all over my fingers. I'll be right with you, I'm trying, you know. So it's always. It's always stuff you know.

Speaker 3: 1:20:32

You learn as you go through the years. But, like I said, you're sitting here and you're looking back and you think about the hunts, you think about the people you don't hunt with anymore and you think about, um, you know where are you going to be in the future and you think about what am I going to do? I mean, I'm pretty happy with everything that I've done as far as what I've wanted to accomplish, and but I know there's more and I want to do more and I want to. I want to be that dude, I want to be the Ted Nugent. I want to be these guys but I want to be me. I don't want to be exactly them. You know, and you know, like this year, like last year, I really started. I always predator hunted but I never had like the good technology stuff. I got a little gunpowder on my laptop but there was residue from on the top of the one thing on the shells that I showed you. So I would always go out coyote hunting and we had the red lights and I hand called, I would hand call. I had scary hand calls and in fact last year, year before last, I had got the six, five creedmoor, uh, you know, and people frown upon or whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:21:40

I'm not saying I'm not a deer hunter with it, but I like it for coyotes. It's flat. I hunt a lot of orchards out here where I live. I got really long shots and I'm not sold on it. As far as a deer cartridge, I got to do some reloading for it, do some testing. It's on a great gun. It's a Howa 1500 Lightning. I like the action of the gun, I like the gun itself, I like how the gun handles, but I don't't know. I've heard so many mixed reviews about it. I'd have to shoot a 140 green out of it and um, a buddy of mine, killed an elk out west with it. No problem, um had good success with it. So I think it's just like the he-man haters club or something with guns. They're just like. That's the six five. We don't like it, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:22:24

Same thing with, I would say like fixed versus mechanical. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:22:28

It's it's going to kill, but you know it yeah yeah, I've killed with both, but I am a fixed blade guy, you know, and and I I do that I will say mechanicals have its advantage for some stuff too, but I'm just it's. I'm a simple old school guy. I shoot a whisker biscuit. I don't shoot these dropaway rests. I like keeping things simple. On my hunting bow, you know I'm rough, I go through a lot of rough stuff, I travel through a lot of rough stuff. I don't want something coming loose and you know whatever. So I keep it simple. Yeah, I lose a couple of feet per second, but screw it, I don't care, the deer don't know. You know the arrow hits where I'm aiming and the deer dies. So it's like that's all that matters, right, but I would. I put a, probably a drop away rest on my 3d bow. Yeah, absolutely, you know. But I'm not having to worry about, you know, is it going to work when it's snowing or whatever? And mechanicals to me I don't know. Wreck, wreck broadheads has got some really cool ones and I was listening to him talk and, uh, I applied for the pro staff with him on that venue, so I'm waiting to hear. I think it looks pretty good, um, but he's got some awesome mechanical heads and he was telling a story. He shot a pig. His dad shot a pig uh, bigar I guess with the two blade and it sliced that thing open. It wobbled about 18 yards and fell over and died. And you know, a shoulder on a pig is pretty, pretty, damn hard to accomplish. Getting a broadhead through and being as a mechanical, it robs kinetic energy. But I don't know, man, I might have to give him a try. I might have try it, but I do like the fx4 that they got out. It's a really cool looking head.

Speaker 3: 1:24:13

Uh, I've been a slick trick guy for years now. Um, before that, I was shooting magnus had really good success with magnus broadheads. Um, uh, rick double lunder. I don't know if you guys know him. Follow him, great hunter off of long island. This guy is phenomenal man he's. He shoots some big bucks. Uh, him and his daughter hunt together and I was looking at the holes and I said, hey, uh, you know, let me ask him what broadhead you use. He says, oh, slick trick man, I love him. Hunter, green slick trick man, I love them 100 green slick trick. I said, yeah, you know, I heard good things about them and shot my buck with it and had no problem and used them. Been using them. I like them but, like I said, it's just less to think about the reages.

Speaker 3: 1:25:01

I got a box of reage here that I had shot Pain in the ass yeah whatever you know now yeah, pain, yes, I can't stand the way thing breaks and you know nothing against rage. Hey, you know what they're gonna focus for everything, but for me it just just didn't work out.

Speaker 3: 1:25:18

Didn't work out, but um yeah, so that's, you know the basics with the bow and you know the stuff that I do a little bit of reloading and, uh, I got my first deer this year with the crossbow. You know, boo, people don I do a little bit of reloading and, uh, I got my first deer this year with the crossbow. You know, boo, people don't like crossbows. What do they make a season for? You know, I'll shoot them with anything. I'll throw sticks at them, rocks, I don't care, I think they got a season should, should make a season.

Speaker 2: 1:25:41

I would like to see new jersey make a season for them. I like, like this is my, you don't have it. You don't have inversion. No, so we know it's, it's included in our archery so you can yep it just it's. It's the same thing. I to me don't. It's, it's in the same realm, but it's not the same thing. I would like to see, because from the stats that I'm starting to get is more and more, just more deer being shot with the crossbow which I have. There's nothing wrong with that, right, but I want them to like maybe reward or or something you know, compound or traditional hunters, like a little more. Like, hey, you know, we get to start in some zones, uh, the second week of september.

Speaker 2: 1:26:25

Make that only, compound and traditional only, and have when the rest of the state opens up, have the compound hunters open up too, cause then also you're pushing people who don't want to switch just because they don't want to learn, or whatever the case is. Maybe this will get them to pick up the compound and or or something like that, and use it. I have nothing against crossbows I really don't but I think if you're, if you're able to shoot a compound bow, I think you should at least give the opportunity to, to give it the chance and just practice at it, because that's what it takes, and I think part of it is. It's just gotten too easy with with the crossbow, and they are, they're like rifles, they're. They're so damn strong and fast. So I don't, to me that doesn't. It doesn't compare, though they're two different things and like you said.

Speaker 3: 1:27:15

Like you said, not to cut you off, but like you know, let me let it be with the rifle or let it be with a separate season. Early on, make it, maybe, maybe, make it a a dough season. You know, you're only able to shoot a dough with it or whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:27:27

But you know, and that's what I did I shot a dough. You know I needed meat and I was like you know what? I never shot anything with this stupid thing. I'm gonna take it out and I videoed it. I got one. I was like it was cool. You know, I don't. I don't begrudge nobody. You know, you use what you want to use. I always told I've used it before I you know I've got a deal with it.

Speaker 2: 1:27:45

I've know I've shot a buck with it. I've used it. But I used it because I had a messed up shoulder that year and I didn't want to make my shoulder worse. So me and my physical therapist, he was like listen, you can use the compound, but like let's heal this thing up. You know you're still young. Like let's heal this thing up. You know the best way that we can Take the season off. Let let's heal this thing up. You know the best way that we can take the season off. Let's strengthen it. Let's let's work on it. All. You know, all season, use the crossbow. And I did. I made that sacrifice and I and I used the crossbow. Now do I do I want to continue doing that? No, but I said it in the episode that I just recorded earlier today, you know, with John Goodwin from uh, um, jesus christ, I'm having a.

Speaker 1: 1:28:31

It's been a long day um wild deer freaks.

Speaker 2: 1:28:37

You know any way you can get it done. You know I'd much rather use the crossbow than not be able to hunt at all. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:28:44

So it does have its place, but I think they new jersey won't do it because you know they I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:28:46

So it does have its place. But I think they, new jersey, won't do it because you know they their thing is they want to get rid of deer and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 1:28:54

So I know it's never going to happen but I definitely do, believing in rewarding, you know, us compound and traditional hunters for sure yeah, no, absolutely, because even upstate that, that, um, that video that you posted for me, mike, the one I sent you, when I stopped that buck, I switched to the crossbow because I actually had kidney stones and I and I wasn't gonna let that stop me from going. I heard that's extremely painful, oh, it sucked. But I was like, look, I like it was like the rut was on, I was like, listen, I gotta go, you know, and I was dying. But when I shot the buck I felt a little better, but then I died afterwards again.

Speaker 2: 1:29:34

But so, squash we, we got a few quick hitters for you.

Speaker 2: 1:29:43

There's so many storytelling that yet again, you're another one that we're just going to have to get on, because unfortunately we can't spend five, seven hours talking about no, I know, I know, you know but, this has been like I said before, like this has been the easiest podcast and work I've had to done in the four seasons that we've been shooting this over a hundred and now 60 something episodes and I would say this is the least talking I've had to do and questions asking you. You are the own. You're like. I said that, uh, frank was going to be the host of this. Yeah, you were the host of of of this uh episode by far.

Speaker 2: 1:30:24

You hosted the whole thing by yourself and I thank you so much, so we're going to ask a few quick hitters here for you, and then we'll get you going Sure. What is your dream hunt and where?

Speaker 3: 1:30:37

would it be Okay? So my dream hunt, that's an easy one. Have you guys seen Modern Day Mountain man on YouTube?

Speaker 2: 1:30:47

I might have Probably have come across it at some, yeah, guys, great, uh, alaska.

Speaker 3: 1:30:53

I'd like to go to alaska before I die, or I can't walk and to shoot a either monster, huge brown bear, grizzly, and uh, you know, maybe like, uh, one of those huge mountain rams, or um you know, uh, um, the, the, the caribou up there are huge too, but I, I just, I don't know man, it's just that that last frontier, you know that, yeah, yeah I think it's most people's dream.

Speaker 2: 1:31:25

Wants this watch me.

Speaker 3: 1:31:26

Wants to not see anybody and I just want to get out. I'd love to fly in. I've actually priced it out. It's astronomical, man, to go. It's over 30,000. But I don't know, man, I hit lotto or something. Dude, I'm getting on a plane. I'm going out there and hunting one of them.

Speaker 1: 1:31:43

I agree with you on that.

Speaker 3: 1:31:50

Either that or, uh getting out west to hunt elk, uh, especially with the bow. Um, it's a little more. You know, uh, in reach I, I definitely could do that, but I would love to kill a monster elk with the bow. You know nothing more, because elk are like turkeys. They just talk to you, man.

Speaker 3: 1:32:02

They talk to you, they come in the same way get that adrenaline going yeah yeah, and actually the best, probably the best dream hunt I would have is to be able to hunt my grandfather again. So that's, that's going to be one of the questions.

Speaker 2: 1:32:17

So we're gonna we're gonna be getting into that in a second too. Uh, are you a a snack guy in the woods? Do you eat in the woods? Are you snack a snacker? Do you have a favorite snack?

Speaker 3: 1:32:27

Yeah, pop-tarts. Probably I like Pop-Tarts. You know I'll have that with my cup of coffee up there in the tree.

Speaker 2: 1:32:35

Oh yeah, pop-tarts.

Speaker 3: 1:32:36

Oh, pop-tarts, frozen Pop-Tarts. I'm nuts man but I like just a Pop-Tart. I throw it in the pack with me. I'm not a big junkie, uh, junk food guy. I see these guys with the little Debbie's or whatever. I don't do that. But uh, yeah, yeah, pop-tarts. You know, up there in the mountain especially, I'm burning, burning calories, hauling my 230 pound ass up the mountains and uh, I get up them Hills with my 60 pound pack on and you know I'll sit there and pull my coffee out and I'll. I'll have my coffee and my pop tart out there in the morning. Not only that, maybe the bear smell the sweet stuff. They might come into the pop tart.

Speaker 2: 1:33:10

I don't know, maybe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but when you guys in in upstate new york when you get your tag, it comes with the bear tag. Correct, yeah, correct, yes yep yeah, I bought it.

Speaker 3: 1:33:23

Yeah, I wish they call it a super sportsman license. So the only thing I don't get is trapping, one thing I never did. I mean, I would probably venture into doing it sometime, but I don't have the time to dedicate myself to a full trap line and stuff. But, like you guys know, I predator hunt, I knock enough coyotes and fox down and stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:33:44

Oh yeah, we're slaying them this year, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:33:49

And that's another. We're gonna have to save that for in the winter, when we'll get into that. Uh, for next winter, um, typical or non-typical?

Speaker 3: 1:33:58

uh, nah, I like the non-typicals, I like the freaks. You know you can keep them standard. Eight points and ten points all along. Give me them them freaky deer. You know, like Holy crap, what the hell happened to you buddy. You know and I was on one this year I had a crazy freak but watched him for four years and he ended up just dropping dead over on a neighbor's property. I don't know what killed him, they don't know what killed him. He just dropped dead. Get that news in the middle of your season. Yeah, your target books dead over over here.

Speaker 2: 1:34:30

Thanks a lot, no I didn't kill him, oh okay. Um, if you could own property in one in one state, what? What state would it be to hunt, if you have hunting property?

Speaker 3: 1:34:38

I would say montana would probably be number one and idaho maybe the next, or somewhere down in kent Probably, I'd say, out of those three, but Montana I think I'd go out to Montana, got it.

Speaker 2: 1:34:55

If you could be sponsored by one company, what would it be?

Speaker 3: 1:35:02

One company. Let's see, that's a tough one, man, you got me on that one. You got me. Geez man, maybe Matthews, I don't know, I'd say Matthews. Or maybe Well, it couldn't be Marlon because they're out of business, but maybe Matthews, Matthews, or you know the higher.

Speaker 3: 1:35:29

Basically, man, I'm going to put it to you like this because I don't want to BS anybody. A company that would stand behind me and I could stand behind myself is any company I would love to have you know alongside of me and be part of I. It's such a that's a hard question but, you know, maybe I would like to see something like Matthews or somebody like that, maybe now I've been pretty loyal to them for years.

Speaker 2: 1:35:55

Last one for you, sure, and we'll do it, because obviously, the family, so one family member and then one, like famous person, who, whoever else, dead or alive, who would you want to hunt with? If you can do one hunt, you know? So that's okay. So that's the family member right there. That's my grandpa.

Speaker 3: 1:36:20

Yep, His name was Edmund and he was a great guy. Great guy Chokes me up, but yeah, he would be the one to say come on, let's get one last picture. So you got to be cool. And then you said somebody famous.

Speaker 2: 1:36:44

Either famous or someone back in the day like we I just got one with with Fred bear. So you know I've said Teddy Roosevelt, like or someone. Obviously, if there's an NFL player, any anyone just like famous it could be.

Speaker 3: 1:36:57

I'll say Ted Nugent, I'd love to hunt with that crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:37:00

Cause.

Speaker 3: 1:37:01

I'm a drummer and he's a guitarist and we got a lot.

Speaker 1: 1:37:03

Could you imagine these two together?

Speaker 3: 1:37:06

That'd be a hell of a time man I would love, I would love to hunt with uncle ted man, I mean, I would, I I think that'd be so freaking cool man and just jam out with him afterwards.

Speaker 2: 1:37:16

You know, I mean, I've been enjoying sitting by the fire, having a few drinks, just just absolutely going. That'd be so that I mean, I could see that like, yeah, that would be my deal, man.

Speaker 3: 1:37:26

If somebody famous, I'd have to say uncle ted man, probably uncle ted, and you know why? Because he's he's like the direct descendant of fred bear, you know. I mean, he's like he was his blood brother. That's the guy who you know brought modern day bow hunting out and it's, it's I don't know, I just gotta you'll see man, sometimes his music's in my my. I always, like, you know, I gotta do the nugent thing or something.

Speaker 1: 1:37:47

I just I just love.

Speaker 3: 1:37:48

Uncle. Ted man, We've been an Uncle Ted fan for years. That's great Well.

Speaker 2: 1:37:54

I think that's gonna gonna wrap this one up until until we re-record again. There will be a part two where we already know that's coming. We appreciate you. We, you know everything that you do. You post their stuff. You, you know everything that you do. You post their stuff. You, you know you give us some content and everything like that. Um, and it's absolutely amazing and we're all here for each other and that's the the great thing about our community that we're, that we're building here. So I, I deeply appreciate it, love having you on you.

Speaker 2: 1:38:19

You know you gotta invite whenever, whenever you want to come on too, if you ever want, it's like, hey, listen, I want to come on. You know I got some. You know I want to talk about this. Listen, just just let us. Just let us know we'll. We'll set it up, um, anything like that. Hopefully you can make some of our, of our events and we can meet in person and everything like that. And you know it's going to be hell of a time coming up to next season. You know all the guys like it's going to be something that it's going to be fun absolutely.

Speaker 3: 1:38:46

And let me just say my little ending here too I would like for you to be able to get a day or so with me to come up. I'll put you on a big brown trout. You can come with me anytime there's an open invitation. It's mostly better before about the middle of June. If you get a free day or something coming up. I'm out every weekend and sometimes, whatever, I'll take a damn day off, I don't care. Get yourself a New York State license and your DEP reservoir permit, and I've got boats just about on everything up here. Get your butt up here and I will put you on a big old brown trout, and that goes for you too.

Speaker 2: 1:39:24

Mr Frank, I told you that before All right, we'll have to, we'll have to lock it up and get that scheduled for sure and that's it's no, that's no bs, I'll stand behind it.

Speaker 3: 1:39:34

You just reach out to me, I'll make time.

Speaker 2: 1:39:36

I'll make time I'll make all right.

Speaker 3: 1:39:38

Sounds good, sounds like a plan that's and you and I are going to frankie, you and I are going damn old turkey hunting and I, like I said, you, you're gonna be with me, we're gonna shoot something this year and, uh, I just want to get I want the footage, man, I want to get it on my channel. So, but, thank you, I appreciate your kindness from the bottom of my heart, and it's nice to connect with good, good, wholehearted people that represent the outdoors the way that we do. You guys need anything from me. You know where to get a hold of me and how to get a hold of me, and if I can help you in any way, please don't be shy. Just let me know. Just let me know, okay definitely man.

Speaker 3: 1:40:17

Like I said, man you know, and as always, as always, I close everything out, shoot straight. God bless you, and the squatch is out and uh, you know that goes for you guys too. Man, you know, god bless you both. I, I hope, I hope he riches, enriches your hunts better than I've ever seen. So Thank you, we appreciate it and at that note.

Speaker 2: 1:40:37

We're. We're ending it right there. I'm not even saying any. We're, we're done. We'll see you guys next time.