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Speaker 1: 0:59

Welcome back to the garden state outdoorsland podcast presented by Boondocks Hunting. I'm your host, mike Naturing, and today we have Mike Yoder from Drone Deer Recovery. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It is an absolute pleasure having you on, because a big part is where has all this drone lifestyle kind of come from? Like it feels like in the last couple years drones have just gotten really popular and now you know you have drone recovery in, especially in states where, of course, you're legally allowed to do it and everything like that. But what is what has been with this whole avenue of of drones?

Speaker 2: 1:42

yeah, so well, when when we say, in the last couple of years, that's when we really started noticing a ton of drones being used to do deer recovery specifically and I think some of that comes from just the content going out and people seeing it, and then going out and people seeing it and then encouraging people to have the same sort of business as we do here at drone deer recovery, and so I I think that's what you're referring to as just all all of this that we now see. Um, it is because of me probably sharing a lot of my stuff on youtube yeah, I, I would definitely have to agree.

Speaker 1: 2:26

You know, and you know, before we start really doing a deep dive into everything, mike, why don't you give a quick you know background on who you are and you know everything that you've done or accomplished? So far.

Speaker 2: 2:39

Okay, yeah, my name is Mike Yoder. I'm the founder of Drone Deer Recovery. Okay, yeah, my name is Mike Yoder, I'm the founder of Drone Deer Recovery. It really started out just me myself and I filming myself taking a thermal drone out and helping hunters recover lost game that otherwise would go to waste. So, instead of using the traditional dog tracking method, we use thermal imaging drones with a 200-time zoom camera on it, and so when I see a heat signature, something that glows hot, I will zoom in on it and see if it's a carcass or if it's the deer they hit or not, and me sharing content has gotten us to where we are right now, with substantial growth and continuing growth in other drone avenues as well.

Speaker 1: 3:29

Yeah, no, definitely. And I think, before I even found you on Instagram, I believe I saw one of your YouTube videos and I think it was the big giant drone that you have and everything like that. I think you're hauling away a deer or something like that, um, with the drone. I believe, um, you know, and that's where, all of a sudden, I, I saw that page and then, you know, I've, I found you on Instagram and everything like that, and I think I, I ran into you at the great American outdoor show, uh, this year as well, and you know, just this year as well, and you know, just, I think, personally, I imagine a lot of hunters agree, I think, if you, it is our duty and uh to the animal to give it our best absolute shot at finding, yeah, finding, every animal that we, you know, that we hunt and that we shoot at.

Speaker 1: 4:21

So I think this takes it to obviously a whole nother level and is able to hunters be even more successful or be able to know when to maybe back out, maybe to all right, maybe this deer isn't, isn't dead yet, or anything like that, um, you know, or find it where you know they're. They're very tricky animals to find, so, um, I think that this is a excellent tool and hopefully the rest of the states can, um can start doing something like this as well, because correct me or not, is it I imagine you have to be very careful because I know like, at least in new jersey, we're not allowed to use drones to hunt um, but it's that fine line where you can.

Speaker 2: 5:05

I believe you can use it to locate a deer, but it's very iffy and in the laws and everything like that yeah, yeah, it's like that in most states, because of the new technology, they're using old loss laws that were passed, you know, way back in the day, long before this technology ever existed. And so, yeah, most states do not allow an aircraft in the aid of a hunt. But really, what we have to figure out is you know what is the definition of hunting? Because it's not really clear of what is the definition of hunting, because it's not there, it's not really clear of what is the definition of hunting. I mean, if you look it up, just by Googling it or maybe reading your generic local laws, it's going to say to you know, pursue to want to kill, or something like that.

Speaker 2: 6:02

But really, if you don't have a weapon, then how could you be hunting? And so these laws that were written, and, uh, certain states or certain wardens might want to enforce something that you know they have their own opinion on if it should be used or not, and so it just makes it to be a really gray area of can you use it to recover a carcass? Because some states tell you recovering a carcass is still part of the hunt, and so that that's what we're going back and forth with gotcha, gotcha, yeah no, and it's we.

Speaker 1: 6:41

We always want to steer that line and and you know as much as I, I believe in it. If you can't use it, you can't use it. But if you can listen, all means go, go use. And I imagine there is a point using dogs too, where, or probably, and still maybe, are in certain states such a um, such a fine line tune it has a has a gray area as well is to use dogs in that matter of fact.

Speaker 2: 7:11

Yeah, I don't know much about the dog stuff, like how it was back in the day, but I'd imagine that they dealt with some of the same type of pushback that we are getting with this. You know, high tech thermal drones.

Speaker 1: 7:27

Yeah, you know so. So, mike, where where did you start, really start off before you even got into the drone deer recovery? Where did you start your love for, I guess, drones? Or when did you start using the technology of flying drones? Is that something that you've been doing for a while, or you just got the idea and just started running with it?

Speaker 2: 7:51

Well, the idea came from really me being at the lowest point of my life that I was in At the time. I injured my back, I had a residential hazardous tree removal business and I had a L4, l5 herniated disc and I was in a lot of pain and started drinking more than I should have been and, in my own terms, I felt like I was an alcoholic and I was like, what am I doing with my life? Like I have a business, I have a family, I have a house. I've done more for myself than I ever have, up to that point as far as dollars go. And I was feeling down one night and Jared Scheffler from Whitetail Drowning called me and he had just come through something that was, you know, not good as well, and he encouraged me to go out and do something that I want to do and not just be focused on the business all the time. And so I started praying to the Lord. I was like, lord, give me something new, something that motivates me. It's something that gives me, you know, give me a vision to really get my mind off of all the things that I'm dealing with right now.

Speaker 2: 9:01

And, uh, so I I've always liked rc, like I've always flown little rc airplanes, um, and drones. So I've used small drones to do like video and pictures and that type of stuff, but never invested thousands of dollars into good technology. And so I I like the idea of it and I was uh, you know, I was praying and and really trying to figure out what. What else can I do other than what I was doing with trees and that type of thing? And so I uh, I was talking to a friend of mine one day after I had started, you know, going through that, and I told him I'm thinking about getting a drone to do deer recovery and he's like, oh, I think it'd be a great idea. And just him saying that motivated me enough to go invest eight thousand dollars in a baby drone. And when I video of me finding deer and took that video to a outdoor show, which was a local outdoor show, and my booth, which was just a white table with a black tablecloth over it and a old computer, um, to show this video, my booth was the talked about booth at that show. And so I was like, okay, this is $8,000. This is a baby drone, like if I invest in the really good stuff like this is going to go wild just because of the feedback that the sports and had given me at that time at that show. And so the next, next season, that was tail end of the season.

Speaker 2: 10:49

The next season I went and I invested in the matrice 30t. At that time my, my whole kit cost 22 000 and yeah, I was like I'm gonna do a specific business, a niche business, just really focusing on helping hunters locate or recover lost game. And in the process of doing that I uh I said that I'm also going to create content around it, because nobody else was showing anything like it and I knew I was stepping into the, into the gray area. And what will the whole hunting community say about it? Some people are against this, other people aren't, and that's really what helped me is is people being like, no, I don't think we should use it, and that just that talk started pushing the content out there to tens and millions of people yeah, um, you know, before we dive more into that too as well, I just want to say is it actually called the baby a baby drone, or is that just like a nickname?

Speaker 2: 11:59

oh yeah, that's just my nickname for any drone.

Speaker 1: 12:02

That's not the matrice 30t okay, so explain real quick about the baby drone and and the differences that that you have, because you know obviously it sounds like, even though it costs what it costs, that still is the. You know. You know the model that you know you're not really looking to shoot with or or doesn't have the same capabilities as some of the bigger models you know. So can you explain exactly what is is in the baby drone, what, what it can do versus?

Speaker 2: 12:34

you know something else that that you're looking at what you wanted to go with after yeah, so the baby drone is usually referred to a Mavic 3T or like an Altel drone, and the reason I call them baby drones is it's a small step into better technology. So a baby drone gives you good fundamentals and gives you a little bit of the taste of what you get with a Matrice 30T. But so a baby drone can't fly in rain. A baby drone only has 50x zoom, um, it doesn't have defogging capabilities. It there's a lot of places where it falls short to be able to fly in that bad weather when you should be flying a drone.

Speaker 2: 13:24

So a lot of guys that have already bought the Matrice 30T, the drone deer recovery kit from us have been called out to local police stations that have baby drones and they couldn't fly because it was raining, and raining in a you know, rainstorm those are good times to be out to look for thermal, and so the reason I call it a baby drone is it's really just, it's a small, really small drone.

Speaker 2: 13:50

That is a step into where you probably are wanting to go, and I hear it all the time of guys buying these little drones, just like I did, and I get it. They buy these little drones thinking they're gonna have the same type of experience as they do watching my content on YouTube, and then later find out that they do not have the same experience and then move on and buying the really good drone and then tell me like holy smokes, mike, like we did not realize, like how good this actually is. And you know, I get pushback from the baby drone pilots because they think I'm just bashing their equipment. It's not that I'm doing that at all. I'm just saying like I get why you guys want to buy this, but once you get your hands on it, like a really good drone, like the Matrice 30T, you will then understand what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1: 14:52

OK gotcha, okay, gotcha, gotcha. So you know not and, like you said, you're not, you're not talking bad about it, but it's basically it's used for what it's used for, you know. But if you're looking for the all purpose to be able to, to fly in, you know the worst of, not the worst of the worst, but you know the, the bad weather, the foggy weather, the rain, everything like that you might as well take that next step and and purchase. So you could easily say it's kind of like um, the hunting debate of fixed blades versus you know mechanicals or you know why you should wear, you know go with Hoyt or Matthews versus something else, and kind of in a in a kind of in a way uh, yeah, I don't know that I can speak on like one broad head over the the other, based on mechanical, and and fixed.

Speaker 2: 15:40

But uh, it's bigger than that, because imagine that you know there's now been millions of people that have seen drone deer recovery footage.

Speaker 2: 15:51

And now there's a guy that's like, hey, I want to get a guy out there find my deer, like drone deer recovery does. And then the guy comes out with this little tiny drone and it's raining and he tells him I can't fly because it's raining. And he tries to zoom in on the deer and he's got a 50 X zoom and he's at 350 feet and you can't see anything because it's not big enough to let people now know that there is a huge difference from just anybody's little drone that they want to come out and try to help. You know, find find your deer for you.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Gotcha. Okay, all right, I got you. I got you now. So you, you take that next step. You know, you go move away from the baby drone and you get the next one. You know where, when you're coming up with the business and everything like that, what, what are your really your first steps after that? Like, you know what I don't know what it's like in Ohio when you come up with the business or everything like that. I imagine it's probably the same steps as it is here in New Jersey. But you know what was the next step after the show, after you started doing everything and you got your drone, your main drone. What happened after that?

Speaker 2: 17:13

Oh, obviously it was building a very professional website. As I'm launching the business, I want a professional looking website, and so I, uh, I launched that website the same at the same time as I'm launching the business. The business really kicked off the opening day, literally the opening day of the Ohio archery season. I was getting phone calls. Uh, unfortunately I was in Colorado at the time on an elk hunt and so I couldn't even take those calls. My, my business launched and I wasn't even in the state.

Speaker 2: 17:45

As much sense as that made. That made no sense, but, uh, it gave me hope, right, it gave me like motivation. When I was out there I was like, wow, this is actually going to work. And so, coming back home, um, having that website ready to go and then starting to create that content, and knowing that I am going to create content and push it out there, and as soon as I put some of those videos out and thankfully, one of my first big recoveries was a 200-inch giant Ohio whitetail uh that it was called out on and this guy that called me out to try to locate this buck for him, um, also had a tracking dog, but he refused to put his tracking dog on this deer that he uh shot because he wasn't a thousand percent sure that it was dead and he just knew if he puts his tracking dog on it and he bumps this deer once he's gone, like he, he's been watching this deer for many years and so he didn't want to do that and so creating that content.

Speaker 2: 18:57

At the time, kevin, my now business partner, was not my business partner at the time, he was just a cameraman and also built my website. I was telling him that what we are about, the film, will get hundreds of thousands of views and this could really push it over top and and I wasn't wrong on that it definitely did a hundred thousand views.

Speaker 1: 19:18

And so, yeah, I don't know, pushing that content is really what you know pushed us over the top yeah, I mean, oh my god, that when you're, when you're driving out to something like that, what, what was going through your head before you even got there. You know this is your first, your your first big opportunity, this is the first, your first client, correct? You know, yeah, yeah, two hundred inch whitetail deer, like you know what. What was going through your head as you're, you know from you got the phone call to to you get in there yeah, so it was.

Speaker 2: 19:51

uh, he shot him in the morning and the sun came up and it was bright out and the sun was brightly shining and he called me and he was like hey, we want you to show up at 3 pm. That's when we're going to go after him. And and I started being concerned, I was like, oh, no, like, cause the sun is out, and I know that the sun being out is not good, but it's my first call. It's. It's a big deer, he, he wants the technology to help him. And I was like you know, I tried educating him. I was like I don't know how well this is going to work now. Now know that I was new and I hoped that it would work. And I just tried telling him like, I don't know how well it's going to work, but I'll definitely try.

Speaker 2: 20:36

And so I went out there at 3 pm sun's out, brightly shining and I'm like this is no good, like this is bad, bad, like I can't see any heat signatures. I was showing him deer that were laying in a big crp field that were not showing up and they should have been showing up, but because the sun was out, they weren't showing up. And so I told him, like like, just give me some time, let the sun go down and then I will come back and I I think I will find your buck for you. And so that's what we did. We said we're calling it off and we're waiting till the sun goes down. I left the place and I tried going and eating dinner with my wife and I was so nervous. So many things were going through my mind like they're relying on me. They, they believe that technology could work if it's in the right hands. Relying on me, they, they believe that technology could work if it's in the right hands.

Speaker 2: 21:27

and I was so nervous I couldn't even eat that night and went back out to that location and thankfully, I was able to locate his buck and you know good for him that he did not put his dog on it, because he actually just had. He ended up wounding him like a flesh wound, and so we were able to see that. And if he would have put his dog on him, who knows what would have happened if he would ever got another opportunity. But using the drone, we could see that the deer is going to make it, and so that's how we left it. It's like there he is, but you know, maybe you'll get another opportunity, and so thankfully I think it was like 10 or 14 days later he did get another opportunity at that buck and was able to kill him.

Speaker 1: 22:12

That's that's that's as good as you're going to get. That's like a perfect scenario, but it's got to be so. Like you said, it's so nerve wracking, you know you can't really eat. This is your first experience and you know, knowing what you know, it's like, hey, I got to go out there at three o'clock, but you know what do you? We don't know what this could make or break some things, you know. I mean, he could have easily been like, oh no, like you know, maybe after you showed up and you guys like I don't want to do this and he would have used the dog and thank god, like you said, he didn't, because you know, you guys were able to find out the key information that you needed to do. But you know, now, looking at it, and now, with your experience, you know what is the first thing that you're asking your clients about. Like, are you asking hey, was the shot good? You know what, what are what? Are you kind of asking before you even get to?

Speaker 2: 23:03

get to the location. I'm collecting as much data as I can. You know shot placement, where do you think you hit the deer? What type of broadhead did you were you using? Did you get a pass through? Was the arrow stuck in them? Did the arrow fly out? Did you recover the arrow? How much of the arrow did you recover If some broke off? You, you know those type of things and that's really just me collecting data in my mind to be able to figure out what the chances are of that being close by and those type of things like. And I might ask them how far did you track the deer? Um, you know what. How far did the blood go? Or did you track them just based on tracks, physical tracks actually in the ground, and so those types of things. It helps me for the next client that will call me with a similar type of situation, and so then I can educate them on what the potential outcome might be.

Speaker 1: 24:01

OK, makes makes sense, and you know you. You stated when you're looking at broadhead, something from from what you've noticed. I like to ask butchers this. I like to ask dog trackers this you know, usually when they're going to give you one or the other right, what have you noticed? What? What animals do you usually have the highest success rate at or not animals? But which broadhead do you usually have the highest success rate at or not animals? But which broadhead do you usually have the highest success rate at recovering that deer?

Speaker 2: 24:30

Recovering meaning dead or finding, because recovering and finding are two different things for the drone space, because you know, dogs only got credit for when they actually found the deer dead, like the dog has a hard time to show you the deer while he's still alive.

Speaker 2: 24:53

So for us we have, you know, we have two different type of records. We have deer that we found that were 100% dead and then other deer that were still alive. But we could we could, you know check out the wound. Like where, where is this actual hit? Uh, on the deer, you thought you hit him here, but now, after using this, you know, 200 times zoom camera and zooming in on the actual wound and checking it out, you actually ended up hitting it back further, a little higher, a little further down or whatever. You know, whatever the case might be.

Speaker 2: 25:26

So it's, uh, it's not based on broadheads. How many you know, let's say, fixed blade, like how many deer were shot with a fixed blade and found dead? Or how many deer were shot with a mechanical and found dead? That doesn't really um, I don't really collect that data and be like gotcha this many were fixed, blade were dead and this many weren't.

Speaker 1: 25:51

Okay, gotcha makes makes sense. Um, you know, then, which is so? It just blows my mind that you're, you know, and it makes sense with technology, the way it is like that you're able to see the, the wound and everything like that, and that's such key data into finding out what the hunter should do to the next. You know what he should do next, but, um, have you had anything that stumped you where you couldn't find the deer? How it does that happen? Like very often, I imagine it's still, it still can, maybe in thicker, thicker woods, or something like that.

Speaker 2: 26:28

Oh, there's definitely deer. I don't find what stumps me about why can't I find those deer is how far away did they go? Because the client might tell me they have this type of shot, and my thing is like, if you have this hit on this deer like you tell me, then it's just not making sense in my brain that he would have gone this far. And so that's what bothers me the most is leaving those recoveries or those uh you know attempts and not having any data of where their deer is. Now I it feels like I found every other deer in their neighboring uh area, but I could not find their buck, and so those are the ones that really get me like where did this buck run to? And but it's just something. You got to deal with it.

Speaker 2: 27:29

Literally I have yet to figure it out why it's like this that some, some deer, literally just go further than others.

Speaker 2: 27:36

But I do know that we will find oftentimes in the rut we will find oftentimes in the rut, the bucks will just have so much adrenaline going on and so much rut that they just keep going it. Even if a, if you have a really decent shot, it just feels like they go a whole lot further than they would. If it's early season or late season where they they run you know two, three hundred yards and bed up and try to, you know, start healing up where those deer in the rut, they will go for a long way.

Speaker 1: 28:11

Yeah, what is the longest track or recovery that you've had to do so far?

Speaker 2: 28:17

My longest one, I think, was like a mile and maybe a quarter, like a mile and a quarter, but I do know other guys that have found them further away than that. But oftentimes, when you find them farther away than that, they will still be alive, unless of course they got pushed for some reason that pushed them that far. During that time of being pushed, then they bled out. Because I hear people say all the time no, we find deer, you know, all the time over a mile away.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, but why did the deer go that mile and then die? Is it because he was being pushed? Or did he run that whole mile the first hour? Nobody's after him?

Speaker 1: 29:07

right the whole mile in that first hour and then lay down that that far away highly unlikely but you know, I, I can't, I can't say with 100 certainty yeah, you, you can't ever say without, but like, yeah, it's not very reasonable. Yeah, you know exactly, and that really must. That tells you that the battery life on these, on these drones, I mean what? What are we looking at here? Cause I can't even and I know it's not the same thing, but man, I can't even get my GoPro to go five minutes in the in the cold weather and everything like that. So the the battery, the battery life on these drones.

Speaker 2: 29:46

I mean, you went from what's it like with the, with the baby drone, to the to the next, to the next step, so the biggest thing with the battery life is not just how long does it last, but how many batteries do you have and what type of charger do you have to charge it fast enough to fly all day? Um, so, but batteries here, what I tell people is, in great conditions, from 100% battery power to 0% battery power, you could probably fly for about 40 minutes, but you don't want to fly from 100 to 0. Usually you want to do from 100 to 20 percent and you're looking at realistically, probably about 30 to 35 minutes of flight time, um, closer to 30 minute mark, depending on wind. Uh, you know how much wind are you fighting? How much is the drone having to use extra power just to stay in hover or whatever it might be?

Speaker 2: 30:42

so, but, for the most part, you know. You know the specs might tell you 40 minute flight time. Well, that ain't always the case. Uh, could you fly for 40 minutes? You probably could if you absolutely want to push the boundaries, but not, not a good idea yeah, no, especially when something that costs so much money, you don't.

Speaker 1: 31:02

You don't want it to crash, you know somewhere into a pond or lake or whatever, whatever you're doing, or into the woods.

Speaker 1: 31:09

I actually was out for um six day gun season and it was like the end of end of it and we were hunting this just spot that we, you know, we only hunt during during the six day gun season and I set up in this hedgerow and I'm getting all set in and everything like that. And I looked to my right and there was a downed drone, just literally just just right there and it's right, it right in the thick stuff and everything like that. And I I was like, wow, like what are the chances? I guess someone early in the year came out where they're either flying, got too close or they ran out of batteries and just were never able to find it. But it was, it was right there, it was all busted up and everything like that. So gosh knows, uh, what happened to it.

Speaker 1: 31:53

But you always hear that horror story of people um, running out of batteries and it just come crashing down and everything like that and going into to ponds or water or and stuff like that. So it's got to be nerve-wracking. Where, when you first started this, were you ever nervous about that? Like you know what, what was your adjustment period learning about. Okay, I need, I can fly to 220, basically yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.

Speaker 2: 32:21

I mean, obviously, the more you operate something, the more comfortable you get. But with aviation, with something like this, you can't become complacent. You become complacent. It will catch up with you at some point and you will have the drone go down.

Speaker 2: 32:38

But certainly in the beginning, yeah, I was concerned my drone was going to run out of battery and it's going to go down. In the beginning, like, yeah, I was concerned, like my, my drone was, uh, you know, we're gonna run out of battery and it's gonna go down in the trees. Um, I mean, there's literally nights that I was. I would wake up in my sleep and think like, oh my gosh, my drone's like too far away or whatever, and uh, so it was a concern. But the more you do it once you got hundreds even I don't know if I'm over a thousand hours now but once you have so many hours, you just you know the limits, you know the wind, you know the direction that the wind's blowing, how far out you are, how much uh battery is gonna use to get back and those types of things how um?

Speaker 1: 33:19

has there been any horror stories for you, um, any anything that you want to tell? Is there been anything where you've crashed it or anything like that? Yet so far? Hopefully you haven't, but throughout this this time, especially in the beginning, any anything like that yeah, I've never trashed my thermal drone.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Um, I've always. If I had to ditch my drone, and I've only ever had to do it once where I was watching a group of elk that we were trying to capture again and put them into their high fence, and I needed to stay in the area for hours, a little longer to keep, you know, keep eyes on him, and I really I pushed the limits and I started coming back and it was, yeah, I was miscalculated and the drone started landing at five percent. The drone's coming down, it doesn't matter how far away it is from home, it's coming down and so. But with the training of me flying airplanes and stuff, the first thing you do is figure out where you're going to land, so start scanning and so, basically, you know, most of my flying is done at night, so I can't really see. I can see in thermal. So I look in thermal, make sure there's no trees around. Looks like an open field. Now I go back to my satellite image on my controller, quickly zoom in on satellite image. Looks like this should be a good area to bring it down and as I do so, I just I put it in an area where you know it's not around houses, not around people, just out in a, in a field, and the drone will just slowly come down and it ended up landing out there on its own.

Speaker 2: 35:01

But yeah, that's, that's the only one that I had. That, uh, I didn't make it back. I mean, there's multiple times when I was, you know, right on the edge, but uh, yeah, never crashed a drone. I had it fall off the hood of my truck. Uh, I, I was flying in the rain, I was sitting in the truck and I was just complacency, yep, and I landed it on the hood and didn't realize that the truck was slightly on a slope. And when it did come down, it just kind of slowly scooted off. And I'm looking at it like on the inside, like, oh yeah, like walked out and both arms were broke off because the drone was about eight pounds and so when it went back, and landed on its arms.

Speaker 2: 35:45

Those arms just buckled forward.

Speaker 1: 35:47

But oh, man, that's that's no, not, not at all. But you know that that experience of you set up flying, which is so yet again. Now we've recorded two episodes today and we have someone that is, uh, the one that we did earlier. He's actually in aviation school right now, so he's learning about flying, he's flying and everything like that. So it's two back to back where we have someone, uh, that was basically flew aircraft. So what? What did you do when? How'd you learn the flying of the aircraft? What school did you go to? What was that kind of background? And then, obviously, it helps you so much in what you do now.

Speaker 2: 36:27

I just hired a private instructor a.

Speaker 2: 36:30

CFI certified flight instructor at my local airport here, bought an airplane and then just hired the private instructor to come out and, yeah, go flying with me. And the stuff that they're taught as cfis is to get you in situations where they put you in a situation where your brain remembers about the situation to to have you think about that when it happens in real life. And so, um, for instance, like you know, engine out training, like you'll, you'll be flying along and he just goes over and rips the throttle out. Oh, you just lost, you just lost the engine. Like, what are you gonna do? And so what are the procedures?

Speaker 2: 37:18

Well, first go through your checklist. It's my mixture on both mags. You know gas full, different. You know try the different tanks. There's so many things that go through your mind and and so that helps me with drones. It's like when something isn't going right, I start thinking of the checklist. Like you know wind direction, how far away am I? I start thinking about the checklist. Like you know wind direction, how far away am I? I start thinking about ditching this. And if we are ditching it here, you know, is it going to come down softly? Could somebody walk into it while it's coming down.

Speaker 1: 37:52

I think of those things while it's going because of probably because of my, you know, aviation training you know aviation training, yeah, yeah, wow, that's first of all, I don't know how I would be, I couldn't do, it wouldn't be able to do if someone just ripped and flying is my like. I just got back from england and my first like. I've flown I think what 11 times and this was the most relaxed and most comfortable I've been going to and from right and I and I'm not going to say I am a flyer, but I mean I to learn how to fly, especially I've, I've thought about it, but now that you said that that's what the guy did to you, I don't know about that. And but it makes sense, cause you, you have to learn. Like you, it is a a hundred percent you have to learn all these things because gosh for a bit if something does happen.

Speaker 2: 38:43

Yeah, yeah, I would be more scared not knowing about it, like so uh, for instance, like learning how to land an airplane in crosswinds, like learning to land where the wind isn't directly down the runway and where you have to like, literally like crab your airplane into the runway and then kick it forward, like so if I, if I were never in that situation and I'm flying somewhere, say I'm, say I'm wanting to go to, I don't know, oklahoma, and I, uh, I've only flown in ohio in fair weather conditions and I get to oklahoma and and the runway I chose is the wind, for it is exactly the opposite. And so not if you've never been in a situation, how you're going to get yourself out of it. I would much rather train in those scenarios and then be ready for them if they ever do happen 100% agreed.

Speaker 1: 39:39

100% agreed. Um, you know you, you've gone from, uh, drone recovery or deer recovery. I know the last time that that we talked, I think you were starting up something new as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember exactly what it was that you told me you were doing.

Speaker 2: 39:57

Yeah, yeah, so, uh, what we do currently and this time of the season the company is called New Way Ag, spelled N-U-W-A-Y-A-G. New Way Ag. We use large spray drones, so these drones are about 12 feet across and they have a 10 and a halfon tank in them and we use those spray drones to spray row crops, so corn beans, specialty crops, pasture fields, those types of things. Instead of the traditional ground rig sprayers or the aerial airplane or helicopter, these drones now have the technology built into them to do it autonomously. You tell it where to go, how fast to fly, how high to fly, how many gallons per acre. To do it autonomously. You, you tell it where to go, how fast to fly, how high to fly, how many gallons per acre to do, and these drones go out and get it done all by themselves. And so that's what we're doing is we? We spray fields, we sell drones, we train people to do the same thing, we manufacture trailers.

Speaker 1: 40:57

It's been nuts no wonder why you're so busy. Oh my god, yeah, now. Well, man, talk about that a little bit like. The technology is so just amazing and just like, but when, when you're doing that, you know you're, it seems like it's taking farming to a whole, basically new, new level and it makes everything just more efficient. So, are the, are the farmers or whoever is managing the, the land, they are, contact you guys and so you guys can do this and I imagine it frees up a lot of more time for them to do, to do other things to to work on the farm yeah, yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 2: 41:39

Um, farmers do hire us to spray their crops, but the really big one is like co-ops and chemical retail companies. A chemical retail company can't sell chemical to a farmer unless there's some way to apply it. And if the farmer can't apply it, then they have to get an airplane or a helicopter or something like that well those.

Speaker 2: 42:02

Those have been a little bit hard to be super reliable, uh, because of they travel a lot like aerial application. But now you can have a smaller cost up front to get this equipment. So there's more, uh, there's more custom applicators with drones in areas where now can have aerial application done, and so farmers will buy some of their own. But a lot of people are just being custom spray applicators and will you know, work with those farmers, work with those co-ops and that type of stuff to to help them, uh, get their crop sprayed.

Speaker 1: 42:42

Wow, that's. That's very impressive. What, what, how else can the technology grow like where? Where else do you see it going from the next in the next five years?

Speaker 2: 42:55

uh in the crop spraying, a sector or like just every just in general and just drones in general yeah, so I I think the next big thing that's coming is, uh, heavy lift drones, drones that are able to lift heavy things. Uh, right now, we are capable of lifting at max, about 130 pounds with a heavy lift drone like the flight cart that I have currently, but I, I see that being, you know, someday being able to do maybe a thousand pounds, and when we get to that point, there's so many things that this will be used for to replace cranes, um it, it could be used for delivery service. If you get beyond line of sight, uh, exemptions from the faa, those type of things we think we might think that there's no way. There's just no way that drones are ever going to deliver things and this and that, and it's just not true. Like no.

Speaker 2: 44:02

10 years ago, if you would have asked a farmer, do you think drones will be spraying your crops? They would have been like no, because they don't carry enough, they don't fly fast enough, they're not reliable. And all of that was wrong, because now they are, they are reliable. They do carry 10 and a half gallons. Yes, that's not a hundred gallons, but you feel it, you just feel it. More often. You goes out, comes back, goes out comes back and it will absolutely knock out acres.

Speaker 2: 44:32

And so I feel the same way with heavy lift drones. Yeah, things will be delivered with these drones, for sure. On islands right now, like I think of island, uh, ferries and, uh, the delivery of those types of things you can literally tell this drone to fly a mile out, go two miles to the left and then land, and it will do that. And so the heavy lift drones is really, I I think, what we're really gonna see. The technology in the ag space like these drones are only getting better. I mean, they are, they are advancing so fast right now that, uh, I'm really excited to see where it's going there yeah, and you know another thing that is so crucial, that's been getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 1: 45:20

But, and also I think a lot of people would would love, is how much better this could. This is a better solution for the environment. Right, you know you hear all these things about gas and you know all these things, but you know this is running off of electricity, off the batteries.

Speaker 2: 45:39

Yes, I mean it is running off a battery, but we are using gasoline generators to charge those batteries oh, are you okay? Yeah, we are. But you know, those gasoline uh generators are using a whole lot less fuel than an airplane or a helicopter would if they're out spraying.

Speaker 1: 45:58

Oh wow, that's how you guys charge.

Speaker 2: 46:00

You think that's yeah, yeah, so impressive the generator is built to charge the battery at basically the same rate as it consumes it. So a battery, you know, without a load, will last for about 10 minutes and a battery will take about 10 minutes to charge. Wow. Wow, technology is absolutely just amazing, oh yeah, yeah, and it's like I say, it's just going to continue getting better, like the current batteries that we run in our spray drones, like this one down there.

Speaker 1: 46:33

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:35

Those batteries are 30,000 milliamp hour batteries, and the latest drone that we just got our hands on is called a fly cart, and that battery now is 38,000 milliamps, so it's 20% better and it's lighter. So the battery before is 27 pounds, now it's 25 pounds and more power.

Speaker 1: 47:01

Wow.

Speaker 2: 47:04

Yeah, it's just going to continue getting better?

Speaker 1: 47:06

yeah, yeah, for for sure. Um, you know, and I know I'm asking so many questions, but there's just like, and I there's just so many questions popping off in my head. You know, when you're in the late season, right, and you know winter is is much harsher up there. You know what? What is it like flying? You know one of these drones? I imagine one, first of all for thermal, it's phenomenal, but you know, for for battery life, for for you know, the flight time, because it's so much colder, it's usually windier and everything like that. What do you? What are you looking at like in a in the winter over there?

Speaker 2: 47:41

so I honestly haven't seen a huge uh degrade in my battery life when it's cold, because they have uh an internal heater, so uh, keep it warm, so it's not getting super cold. I would say, if something, maybe instead of being a 30 minute flight it might be 25 minutes, but it's not like huge.

Speaker 1: 48:13

Yeah, not nothing crazy at all, and that's, that's a big, big difference. And yet again, if, since it's got a internal heater, I mean that helps so much. I mean a big problem with, you know, batteries that we use nowadays. You know, first of all, we're talking on a much smaller scale and everything like that. But you know, from gopros to you know the video cameras, you know cell camera batteries, everything like that, you usually see such a difference in battery life. I mean, man, I, I'm, you know, I got, I'm done using gopro, just because, you know, in the winter I can't even say a sentence without it shutting off, unless I have an external battery pack charging it at the same time. And it's, it's just not efficient, while this, this is like all right. You'd normally think, oh man, this is going to take such a big hit, but you know the fact that it doesn't five, five minutes is yeah, yeah, it's nothing really not not been a huge uh factor in our operation.

Speaker 2: 49:14

Again, I go back to you want to have enough batteries and that's what we did with our kit that we put together that people can buy now is I have enough batteries in my pack, in my kit, to sustain you being able to fly literally all day long. If you need to. Of course you'd have a little like a Honda 2000 generator or something like that, charging those packs as you're consuming them. But yeah, you should be able to fly all day long yeah now.

Speaker 1: 49:45

Oh, my god, that's yeah, that's cool. Um, so you know we're gonna. I want to talk a little bit about you and your your hunting experience. You said you're you're out doing a elk hunt right before right, when your company started and everything took off, you know. Let's get in a little bit about you personally hunting.

Speaker 2: 50:06

Yeah I was on an elk hunt, but that elk hunt I was there to to watch. I actually took a old uh boss. That was an amish guy. He didn't uh, he needed a way to get to colorado and so I I was his driver and got to go with him on his elk hunt. Not that I was physically hunting the elk, but I was there. I do enjoy hunting, no doubt about that. I just got back from a South Africa trip about a month ago, but I'm not a super big, diehard hunter. Uh, I I do like hunting, but it's just not like I'm going to lose a lot of sleep over it okay, so you're not like uh, like myself or or one of the guys that's crazed over it, but you enjoy it and it, and it must it.

Speaker 1: 50:58

That's got to be good, though, for doing what you're doing. You know, whenever it comes to tracking any type whether you're a dog tracker or whatever I just hear there's just never enough time to really get out there and hunt anyway. So if you're like a super crazed person who, yeah, die hard about hunting, it would be this tug at like oh man, like I really want to go hunt but my phone's blowing up right now and I gotta go out and and work so you don't have to deal with that, and it definitely has happened to people like, including myself.

Speaker 2: 51:27

The first season I was all on my own, trying to do it all on my own. Um, I went hunting that season for 45 minutes outside of that I was looking for deer. But but for me, I enjoy it more, like I literally enjoy it more helping other people recover their bucks than I do going out and getting my own big one. And I hear that more and more coming from serious hunters that bought drones from me and they're like Mike, you know, I want a thermal drone, I just want to do it for myself and some buddies, and that's all. I want a thermal drone. I just want to do it for, you know, myself and some buddies, and that's all I want to do. And now later talking with them, they're like Mike, I like this more than me going hunting, and they have gotten some big deer, uh, themselves and they they now enjoy finding other people's deer and so yeah, that's yeah, no, it's always.

Speaker 1: 52:20

I think, as much as I love hunting myself and obviously I'm crazed for it, but to see the thrill of of other people, you know I like filming people, I like you know, going to track, you know track and everything like that. Listen, it doesn't matter what time if you're calling me, as long as I'm not at work, like for the most part I'm coming out I'm like okay, like I'm coming, like like you know, like it's just so. It's an amazing feeling. Plus, also, I like the fact that I think when you're actually the hunter, it's more nerve-wracking, you know, and you you have no choice. But when you're you're just there to just just track or whatever the case is, it's like all right, I don't have all this pressure on myself. So it is a, it is a big difference.

Speaker 1: 53:04

Oh, yeah, I couldn't agree more and I'm actually taking I'm taking a look at the kit right now. That, uh, that you guys have here. I mean it's, this is a beautiful, just beautiful machine. So you know when someone places an order, you know where. What does that look like? You know what I mean. There's, there's you can get. You know the monitors. You know there's extra, you offer a training to with that as well, things like that. So you know, when someone places an order, you know what, what really happens over over there at your guys warehouse and and whatnot yeah, well, we'll get the order, uh, and we'll fulfill it.

Speaker 2: 53:51

We'll put it all in a box, like so, all the batteries, uh, the landing pad, the, the spotlight, the whole nine yards get packed in a box and uh, shipped out. You Now the other stuff you referred to, like the training, that is in-person training that you can buy. It's additional costs, of course, where we, we do in person, so you guys come out and you will train with usually it's my team, not necessarily me. I'm not saying I won't be there. There's definitely times I will be there, but uh, yeah, we, we sell the training.

Speaker 2: 54:25

And then the other thing that we started uh putting on our website is the, the tv kit, the. It is a carry case with a tv in it which has a, has a battery in it. That way you can plug your tv in and plug your controller right into that tv, so your clients can watch that big screen tv instead of looking over your shoulder, uh, or, you know, instead look for the deer. And so we made that easy, I really. So when I started it, right, I had to figure out well, how many batteries do I need? This light, that this? And it's like I, I made an easy kit for you.

Speaker 2: 55:03

Not, you don't have to think about it. Like the only thing you have to do is trust me that I know what I'm talking about when I when I say I built the drone deer recovery kit and it has everything you need. And so when I say that, it means it has the controller. It has the controller batteries, two batteries in fact. That way you can run all day and never lose your battery on your controller. You got eight flat batteries. You got your charger, you got your landing pad, you got your spotlight. You're like literally everything I use in my videos I put in there, so it doesn't take any brain work.

Speaker 1: 55:37

Just know that if you're watching the content and you want to fly the same thing as I do, just know that if you're watching the content and you want to fly the same thing as I do, like that Matrice 30T up there, and you want the same kit, it's going to be in there. I'd love that. Because you look at a lot of. And yet again, when you're looking at drones and you know I don't know my drones like that, but you know I've always been interested in everything like that you know, when you look at drones, it's like okay, well, you get the drone, but then you have to buy this, this, and then you, you have to do, and it's like, oh my god and the price really, just this is like this is all in one.

Speaker 1: 56:14

You know, and you know the. It is great how you guys offer the, the training too as well, because yet again you're you're spending one the money on it, so you don't want to just take, you know, and yet again, some people probably just do this, but, like for me, looking at it in my eyes, I would be someone who would be very interested in doing the training especially. You know I'm gonna buy this. You know I'm gonna come out and learn the correct way by the person who they're the company that put this all together. You know, instead of just hmm, you know I'm gonna come out and learn the correct way by the person who they're the company that put this all together. You know, instead of just hmm, you know I'm just gonna go fly this and then you know what, something, something bad happens, yeah yeah, exactly, yeah, that I mean.

Speaker 2: 56:53

I just had so many requests that where people were like we appreciate your, you're selling this kit, it's easy way to buy it, but we really would love if you'd offer up some training. And I, you know, we were scaling our company, our team, to be able to do that, because I just couldn't do it in the beginning. I was too busy, I was out doing calls and I just couldn't focus on that. And so now we do offer it and it's been really good feedback.

Speaker 2: 57:21

A lot of people have come from all over the country coming here and getting their thermal drone training and then going back and starting their own business.

Speaker 2: 57:30

For sure, every kit is copycats. Is other drone sellers seeing how well we were doing with the kit, and so then they tried coming up with their own kit that looks like it's cheaper and looks like it has the same things in their kit as I do in mine, but they won't tell you it's coming with six batteries instead of eight, or it's coming with one controller battery and instead of two, or it's not coming with a landing pad, or whatever it might be. So, yeah, you know, there's always things that you, as things progress, as people start catching on and they want to make some money too, and nothing you know against them. I, I want everybody to make an income, but it's like, okay, guys, like we might, we have to educate. Like now, we have to educate everybody on what is a drone deer recovery kit. Because if you, if you, look for a wildlife kit, uh, a wildlife kit looks like a drone deer recovery kit, but the wildlife kit is like almost 800 cheaper. Why is that? It's because it has six batteries instead of eight.

Speaker 1: 58:40

So gotcha, gotcha, you're in it's, it's yet again. And when I say it's, you want to spend yeah, you know, eight hundred dollars. Listen, you might as well just spend the extra eight hundred dollars and get what you really need, because you're going to be kicking yourself in the butt later when it's like, oh, like, I need that extra battery, I, that extra thing. I wish people was like well, why do you buy, you know, such expensive equipment? Well, honestly, because you know what. I much rather buy that expensive equipment and it not break on me or or something happened then me kicking myself in the butt later when something fails or or or whatever the case is. Yeah, exactly, you know, man, I it's. The videos are just great. Everything that you're, that you're doing is, is is great, and I love how you like.

Speaker 1: 59:31

You said you want to. You want everyone to grow you. It's not just about yourself. You have your own business, of course, but you created something where, hey, you know what, we'll put this all together for you and you can go, start your your very own business and do the same exact stuff as as us were. Honestly, not many companies would would be doing that, you know, and it's, but it's, it's a testament to also the the person that that you are as well, and you know, I definitely love that and you know, eventually I would love to to do something like this at at some point. I mean, it does seem so, so unique and you know what, the more I hunt and the more I do these things like I think it's just going to take over and once every state hopefully makes it legal, you know it's, it's something that you know. Why not? I want to, every chance I get, to get that deer, to get that bear or whatever animal that I that I've shot at.

Speaker 2: 1:00:35

Yeah, no, if you fly, if you fly these drones, and you find people's animals that they otherwise would not find, yeah, then that's probably when you become hooked.

Speaker 1: 1:00:50

Definitely you know. You said that you're busy, you're doing a lot of stuff, so how many calls do you think you and your team get during the the hunting season?

Speaker 2: 1:01:06

how many calls do we get um, I would say in the heat of the season, uh, last year anywhere, conservatively, between 30 and probably 50 calls that's not bad at all and can.

Speaker 1: 1:01:22

Are you able to make all those what? What dictates your? You know you, maybe a prioritizes it first come, first serve. What? How does that?

Speaker 2: 1:01:30

go the most that I did in one one 12 hour. I think it was one 12 hour, one 24 hour day. It's hard to keep them all straight.

Speaker 1: 1:01:56

Wow, that's, that is a. That's a long day, that is a very long day. And you know anything outside of you know there's not, really are there bears in.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

Ohio. No, not really. I mean, every now and then we have a straggler go through, but not really.

Speaker 1: 1:02:14

Is there any specific animal that you would like to be able to do a recovery for?

Speaker 2: 1:02:26

to um like to be able to to do a recovery for, uh, I mean, I'd like to find an elk with a thermal. It'd be pretty cool. I did, uh, I did get to use my thermal drone in south africa and it really helped over there to find kudu that otherwise would have gone to waste because, uh, without it they they would have bumped it and it would have went who knows where. But yeah, I would say it's probably an elk elk elk talk about that, that africa trip.

Speaker 1: 1:02:54

Uh, a little bit. What led you over there? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:02

So what started the trip off is a company that is also manufacturing a drone really wants me to carry their drone in America and invited me over to check out their drone, hoping that I would love it. And in the meantime, meantime, they mentioned something about he has a friend that has a uh, a hunting ranch and asked if I wanted to go hunting and I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? And so it was kind of like a two-part. One was, uh to go check out a new drone that they were hoping I would like, and the other was to create thermal content in south africa along with heavy lift uh drone content showing, um the industry, what these drones can do oh, wow, and you know what was what was there when you were showing them how, what these drones could do.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

What was their? You know, take on it, Is it? What's it do they fly? Is this like the first company over there that that's doing this drones? Like, how big are drones you know over there and what the use is over there compared to in America, Can you?

Speaker 2: 1:04:28

hear me, we're still on.

Speaker 1: 1:04:34

Yeah, can you hear me? Hello Still on.

Speaker 2: 1:04:44

You loop Still on.

Speaker 1: 1:04:58

Looks like you hit the mute. Can you hear me now, hello, hello, still can't hear me. Can you hear me, hello yeah, so they.

Speaker 2: 1:05:30

they use their thermal drones for way different types of things than we do here. Um, as far as, like, recovery goes on a game, yeah, you're in and out.

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

All right, give me one, give me one second. Let me refresh this. I'm going to be right back. I can hear you in and out All right it should, because can you still hear me now? No, can you hear me, yeah I can hear you okay, I it's.

Speaker 1: 1:06:26

I don't know why that's doing that, but the good thing is so the good reason why we moved to stream yard. If there's any difficulties, it actually it records locally, so I'm being recorded locally, you're being recorded locally, so if there's any type of mess up, it should still be able to. Everything should still be recording perfectly nice um. So this is really gonna, this is really gonna test it. We just moved to this um a couple weeks ago and we haven't had any issues, so this is really going to, uh, going to test it. So hopefully it it works perfectly. Yeah, I hope so too.

Speaker 2: 1:07:01

Yeah. So the last question that you had asked me is how much different is their thermal use over there compared to how we're using them in America? And so they don't really use thermal drones over there to recover lost game because they never really thought that it could work until I was there. I do believe that people in South Africa will be using thermal drones to do the same thing that we do here, which is use thermal drones to recover lost game, but for the most part they have other applications that they they use thermal drones for, but I don't really know what all they are.

Speaker 1: 1:07:40

Gotcha Gotcha for but I don't really know what all they are, gotcha gotcha, and I imagine they'll be able to, you know, you probably, you know, would get a just good enough guess too and to use it to help fight, uh, poachers maybe, um, you know, and stuff like that. So hopefully, you know, it is something that they use that for as well. But, um, you know, mike, um, I guess we'll we'll start wrapping it up. We're almost hitting our our time here. I mean, my mind has just.

Speaker 1: 1:08:11

I, I knew that I was, I really wanted to get you on, but I didn't know like it was going to be. This like this much information, of like I didn't know how much went into drones. Honestly, you know, I I'm very new to drones. Um, you know, I've been following the page and everything like that, but I didn't know how complex it really really got and I knew that, yes, technology has grown so much, but it's also when you don't see it every day, you know, you don't, you don't really know the ins and outs, yeah, but this right here is like wow, this is, this is next level stuff yep, yeah, and it's really not slowing down as far as the drone industry.

Speaker 2: 1:08:56

Maybe drone deer, as far as the, the company's growing and the people getting in will slow down some, but the technology is not going away and the technology will only get better. So the drones that we're using now for drone deer and everybody else that's doing drone deer in their state they'll probably get something that's even better. Better. But uh, the, the industry as a whole, the drone industry is is forecasted to to compound to grow 30, some percent each year. So there's a lot of drone uh technology still coming yeah, and you know one one last thing.

Speaker 1: 1:09:37

Um, I will say, and do you know, like, so I'm big into the military, like I I do a lot of my family friends are in the military, so I'm always like curious about that and their technology. Do you know anything that that that they have, what type of technology they have, compared to no, right, we, we had somebody on who, uh, did some work with the military and they said that you wouldn't even believe the type of technology that they, that they have and everything like. I had somebody on who did some work with the military and they said that you wouldn't even believe the type of technology that they, that they have and everything like that. So so I was just curious if you, if you, knew anything and what type of drones that that the military has and what's their working with.

Speaker 2: 1:10:15

I'm sure I'd like to get my hands on it. I'd assume that it would be a lot better, but yeah, I don't know Gotcha Gotcha.

Speaker 1: 1:10:24

Well, mike, hands on it. I I'd assume that it would be a lot better, but yeah, I don't know gotcha gotcha. Well, uh, mike, I want to thank you so much for for coming on. It was definitely a pleasure. Um, I cannot say enough about this.

Speaker 1: 1:10:33

We I would definitely eventually like to to get you on again, and you know I have a full team here and so I can't wait for them to hear this, but to talk to you, I think, in person and have, they're going to imagine, have questions and everything like that as well. You know, about drones, I actually one of the guys that we do have on our team, steve he currently was unavailable today, but he works for the NFL, so I know he's very big into the technology and like all these things, so I can only imagine he knows all about the filming and the cameras and what is this and this and that. So, um, I'll have to make sure the next time we get you on that he is definitely definitely on, because I guarantee you he has a lot of questions, um, himself. Cool.

Speaker 2: 1:11:20

Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks it. Thanks for uh.

Speaker 1: 1:11:21

Thanks for having me for sure no problem, and everyone, listen, if you haven't already, go check. Uh, drone deer recovery. The link is going to be down in the description below, same as the youtube channel. I'm telling you you will not be disappointed. These videos I I usually watch them when I'm at work or when I'm, you know a lot of times where the fiance and I are in the bed. I'm like, oh my god, look at this, especially the one where you carried the, the deer and everything like that, like I didn't know that they could, they could do that. That thing is giant, it's huge, um, but you're going to be extremely entertained. If you have any questions, don't hesitate. I guarantee you, mike, we'll, we'll answer them for you. If you're looking to get into a drone, make sure you reach out, and I hope you guys enjoy this episode.

Speaker 2: 1:12:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:12:12

Thanks so much.