Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 1:13

Welcome to the show. Hey, how are you guys doing? This is my first podcast.

Speaker 1: 1:19

so give me a break A little nervous. What are your expectations coming into a podcast?

Speaker 2: 1:27

I don't know, just um, mainly to just kind of go with the flow, and that's all really what I'm gonna go do, really that's exact listen first of all.

Speaker 1: 1:36

That's exactly how we record our podcast and everything like that. So you know, we we were going back and forth. You know, I really try to stay away from the scripted episodes because scripted never works, for, especially with hunting, you talk about one topic and you have all these plans and then you don't hit any of the plans. So you know, I've learned in the four years now that we've been running this to let's just go with the flow, that we've been running this to let's just go with the flow.

Speaker 1: 2:08

I kind of have an idea, but I really let the conversation take us, um, take us in that direction yeah, I got you, yeah, definitely so you know, when we have new people on, you know, I give us a quick background story, a quick breakdown on of who you are and everything like that, so everyone can get to know you hi, uh, I'm cody hartman.

Speaker 2: 2:27

I grew up in new jersey. My father basically brought me up hunting ever since I was three years old. Uh, my brother also hunts. He's younger than me. I got one sibling and we started out bow hunting. Uh, then we got in shotgun hunting, but we're primarily bow hunters and I do like to fish, but I definitely took the hunting side and my brother went fishing route. He's more of a bass fisherman and trout fishermen, so definitely got a big, outdoorsy family and we go to my cousins and uncles and all of that, they all do it too.

Speaker 2: 2:57

So so you guys, give me a little bit of background.

Speaker 1: 3:01

You grew up in it. You know the whole family does it. You know what. What was that? Like you, you know. You said, from basically three years old. So what? What are your?

Speaker 2: 3:09

some of your earliest childhood memories in the outdoors, my earliest was probably my father, when he'd bring me out the backyard and we were going a little wooden stand that he had built and he would carry me up there. You know, back in the day there was no harnesses that he would really use. I got him into using harnesses once I started, uh, getting really into hunting more and more but, um, back in the day we didn't use harnesses, so it's a little sketchy, but we got it done and we were hunting out of wooden stands and we were at my uncle's every uh 6.5 arm here in new jersey and every monday we would go over there and we'd all cook some stuff up in the morning and go hunt and come back down, have lunch, go on again.

Speaker 1: 3:48

So that's basically my probably earliest childhood memories of hunting was doing that with my uncle and my dad take me out my backyard now that that's amazing and I feel like, listen, I feel like the harnesses were such a at that time they it wasn't as widely known to really like safety is just change in general, I think in the whole entire world, or at least in our country, where you know, everyone is really concerned with safety and doing all these things.

Speaker 1: 4:18

But I mean, I remember in the beginning too, like I don't think I didn't wear a harness either. Looking back and I'm like gosh, you're an idiot. But you know you're younger, every everything you know, you listen, they could drink and smoke back a long time ago and at such young ages. And now look at it like it's all 21, I think, even the tobacco age. I think now it's 21 as well. So, yeah, things, things have changed, um, but when did? When did you really, when was that transition from you know you're going out with dad and everything like that? When did um really you start getting out there to to do some of your own hunting?

Speaker 2: 4:56

uh, it transitioned when I got my bow. Probably my first bow was a psc stinger, I think, was it. I think that was same here. Yeah, I got that kake with the arrows and everything like that, the quiver, the case. Um, my brother actually got the same one, but, um, I started going. I think I was 10, 12, I think I was 12 because my brother was 10 at the time. So I would just go out. You know, my dad would drop me off either at a spot and be like, don't move until I come back in the woods against you, or I'll just go out behind the house no, I, I love that.

Speaker 1: 5:29

Yeah, the, the psc stinger, I mean I still have it. I actually just had my hands on it like not too long ago. It's in my garage and I was, you know, I was like, oh, this thing, like I want it. I'm not throwing it away because it's my first ever boat and I want to eventually like restring in and like everything like that, but it's uh got some, got some great memories with that thing, that's for sure yeah, mine's ready to go.

Speaker 2: 5:52

I can bust mine out right now and shoot it. It's got good enough strings on it where I could shoot it right now, probably go kill something with it. But I got two other bows I'm using right now at the moment.

Speaker 1: 6:02

What are you hunting with right now?

Speaker 2: 6:04

uh well, I do have my pc, another pc, I believe it's the dominator and then I got my expedition over there it's just hanging out. Yeah, it's last year's 33 that they released last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm shooting. I'm big. I'm not gonna do bo going into this season, you sure? No, no, I'm done. I'm done for a little bit. We're gonna stick to that 33 and we're gonna kill some.

Speaker 1: 6:30

Well, hopefully, come hunting season we kill some with it yeah, yeah, no, definitely understand that. You know you're you talk about. You know family and this. You guys are obviously just a family of outdoorsmen. You know where are you got any like crazy stories, funny stories with you and your brother, you and dad, like you guys do, deer camp a lot.

Speaker 2: 6:52

Any any type of tradition that you guys have uh, it was a tradition up until basically I graduated high school, um, so it kind of faded. So now we really don't do it as much. But up until that point, basically from when I was going to the stand, like I said, I started when I was three, so I'll say when I really remember was five, six, all the way until I was probably like 16, 17, so we did it for a good 10 years and we would go over my uncle's for six day firearm and shoot, make food, and that was probably the number one thing I remember. Over that beats everything. And then going into when I was older, uh, after high school I probably remember we met me, my dad picked up a lease and that's when now me and my dad mainly do things together on that lease okay, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1: 7:40

Now I that's. That, that's pretty. I was gonna that was gonna ask, like, are you guys public, are you guys on lease? Like what, what are you guys really the the hunting setup for? For you guys all?

Speaker 2: 7:49

around. I mean, I do go in public um. I've had had a lot on public um and I don't know. I just like to stick into my private kind of. You know, I mind my own business, no one bothers me, and uh, that's the way I kind of like it I know, I, I completely listen, I, I I'm the same way.

Speaker 1: 8:07

I love public land but I think at the end of the day, like just a private piece it's, you're not bothering anyone. No one's bothering you for the most part, like you know you can do, you know you don't have the same worries like you would on a crowded piece of public or or anything like that. So I think you know, I, I see the the aspect of why you know you would prefer one over the other. But you guys travel around a lot, or at least you travel around a decent amount, um, for hunting and everything like that. Are you usually? Are you usually the trigger man or are you the cameraman for the most part?

Speaker 2: 8:48

Well, the last five years, I would say six years. I've been a cameraman for a long time Not really a long time I'll say six years but, um, decent amount to where. This season I'm probably not going to be a cameraman for anyone. I'm going to mainly focus on myself this season. Um, not that I don't like being in camp for other people, but I just want to pull myself away and focus on myself this year, going into this season.

Speaker 1: 9:13

Yeah, no, I and that's something I've noticed over like you're, you're constantly filling people, which is great, I mean. But like you said, you want to, you want to get it done and worry about yourself first. But I mean, first of all, how'd you even get into, how'd you get into this Cause? Your work is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2: 9:32

I appreciate that. And, uh, I went to a school out in Ohio at the time I think it's still it's called film the hunt editing school. It's with, uh, tom and Nick and, um, I went out there twice at all the courses, all twice, because they just give you that much information, um. But that's where I started, basically. And then I had my first gig with, uh, jared gibson, with jury outdoors on critical mass, and I did that for three years or so. I filmed for him here and there, um. And then there's a couple other people I filmed for that were youtube channels and stuff like that, and then I will also film. Most recent was smoke time outdoors, which is up and coming youtube group. That, um, they do a lot of hunting all over. So that's what I was filming last year.

Speaker 2: 10:22

Your prior was blitz tv with trent cole. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then just basically here and there for other people. The whole six years never had a full-time, full-time gig. But I would say, jared gibson, that was pretty reliable gig, I like that. And trent cole yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, no, that that's pretty reliable gig, I like that.

Speaker 1: 10:44

And trent cole yeah, that was pretty good yeah, no, that that's pretty incredible and I think I the school that you're talking about I think I've seen that a few times like where I actually looked into it and everything like that I just didn't have the opportunity to go. I mean, now I'm kind of kicking myself in the butt for it because of how much I film and how much I've fallen in love with filming and editing and like doing all this. Um, you know, at the time, I just, you know, I didn't think it was going to be what it is now. You know, but for for you, like when you decided to go there, this was after high school, high school, okay. So, yeah, I took a year basically off before I went there.

Speaker 2: 11:27

As soon as I graduated I went to community college, tried stuff there for a year, didn't like anything because they make you take extracurricular classes that you really don't need and I just didn't. That wasn't me, so I wound up going to you can call it a trade school, uh, school basically for that with them, and that's where I went yeah, so you head over to ohio you know it's, you're just probably what graduated and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 11:54

Um, what, what was the experience like? I mean, I know you said there was a lot to learn and everything like that, but your first day you stepped there, what, what were you going in with your expectations and, and how did, I imagine, exceed your, your expectations?

Speaker 2: 12:09

well, the first year I showed up uh, I was, I don't know. I didn't really have the right equipment. I would say I didn't have a dslr. At the time I really didn't know how to operate a fully dslr videography camera. I had a handheld, just a handy cam, and two goprros. I showed up with probably those two that are up behind me at the time, or they may have been threes or fours at the time. I have so many GoPros now but I don't know. I just didn't grasp it the first year because I didn't have a DSLR. So going into the second year I had a DSLR, so I was more prepared, I knew what kind of going in, what to expect. But that first year, yeah, it kind of blew me out of the water with the information, even though I got all written down in a book and everything like that, the camera class and the editing class. It just was a lot, especially with not a DSLR camera.

Speaker 1: 13:02

No, I could completely understand that that whole concept and it's like you, you show up to the first day of school, just absolutely just you're that one kid that just like is so unprepared and and everything like that. But you know, it's still at the end of the day, it's still such like you said, it's such a learning experience. You still have all the notes and everything like that, you know. So you know, as you're, you're using your little handy cam and your your two gopros and everything like that, what, what was everyone else I know, like dslrs and everything like that, but what was kind of like, were you gauging? Or were they telling you, hey, like you know, look into this, look into this. What for equipment like what?

Speaker 2: 13:45

what was everyone else rocking it for the, for the most part, and those at that time that was the sony a7s2, so that one of being the camera that I got um and the lens the starter lens I had on that was the 24 240, so that was a good beginner's um camera to definitely start out with um. But the camera shop that they were working with at the time don't know if they still do was bedford camera and video. That's who I still associate with now and they had a hunting package on there that I wanted getting ahead of.

Speaker 2: 14:17

Fourth, arrow camera arm, a backpack, badlands backpack, the whole nine yards, basically a starter pack and everything like that. So, and you could, I put my camera that I wanted into that starter pack. So that's how I wanted to get that whole entire kit oh wow, okay, all right, that's, that's a pretty good deal yeah, yeah. So that's kind of where they were pointing me at the time that direction, because they were working with that company at the time and so far that I really like that company yeah, yeah, um.

Speaker 1: 14:48

What was the probably the most crucial thing that you really learned um while you're there, your first year?

Speaker 2: 14:55

the first year was definitely I uh, definitely grasped, grasped the uh camera aspect more, um, because I don't know, the editing basically was a little bit too much for me because I was going from final cut to adobe at the time. So that was a little bit of a hard transition. But being coming from a handy cam, not knowing, like you know, all the canon, sony, all the other brands out there, I was kind of able to pick what camera I wanted and based off what everyone else was also using at the time and kind of went with that yeah, I mean, I guess that's a.

Speaker 1: 15:31

You have this open mindset, like you're kind of not. You're like you said, you're not stuck on, you don't know all the other stuff, so you're not stuck like I. You know, I have a Sony right now, um, you know. But it's also kind of like for me, like with bow hunting, like I'm a white guy because I I've shot hoyt for the last couple years, and like it's almost impossible to get me off of hoyt right now because that's just what I'm comfortable with. You know, it's what I'm used to, it's it, this is what I know. You know, if someone came in and said, hey, listen, this is the best bow in the world, am I gonna switch? Probably not, because it's probably not a hoyt. You know, I'm just so I'm, I'm in my comfort. You, you kind of stick to what you know. So you're going into with a brand new experience of I don't know any of these, I have no experience with anything.

Speaker 2: 16:17

So you get a real open mind instead of kind of like a your mind just set on just a sony or something like that I mean, yeah, I definitely looked into more cameras and just that sony a7s2, but at that particular time that camera was shooting such good low light video quality that that's the reason why I mostly went with that camera gotcha.

Speaker 1: 16:43

Gotcha. Now year two did you go the next following year or did you take something? So one was okay, so year two was the next year after that, yeah, right after I didn't. Yeah, I didn't take a gap year or anything, okay. So you come there, you got the proper equipment and everything like that. Um, what, what did year two look like? And, and you know what did. What was the? What did you learn in year two? Year?

Speaker 2: 17:09

two was definitely more like. I knew like where the buttons were on the camera. I knew how to go through the iso, the f-stop, the whole nine yards through the camera, adjust everything basically from the picture profile and in the settings to everything um, and then what lenses to use for distance, you know, and close up and stuff like that. So that's definitely what I grasped more in the second year because I knew what I was getting into. The first year I was like what's he talking about? Like I mean my camera. Really I couldn't really adjust the ISO on a handy cam at the time and the F stop and all that. So I just learned what they were. I didn't really do the functions.

Speaker 2: 17:55

So going into year two, I was able to do all the functions, actually do the buttons, hit the buttons and not be looking over someone's shoulder being like, oh, that's where that is.

Speaker 1: 18:09

Yeah, you don't want to be that that guy that's just like kind of like cheating the whole entire time, but you know it's it could be very overwhelming. You know, especially picking up anything new to begin with. But like I know for a fact, I still don't know every like I don't know anything about my camera, like I know it enough, but there's still so many hidden things that it's like, oh, I still I still don't know stuff about my camera.

Speaker 2: 18:32

I mean, I got upgraded this uh last summer to the sony a7s3 so that's why that's what I'm running now. But uh, yeah, no, I still don't know all the features on that camera yet. I got definitely gotta and it's insane yeah, it'll go on for endless too.

Speaker 1: 18:48

It goes, yes, and then it's not even like I know, because I noticed. One of the most important things I noticed are the big lens that you have back there now oh, yeah, yeah how many different lens do you? Are you running like on a camera, like how many? I see there's what. What? Two, three there.

Speaker 2: 19:06

Yeah, I have two right here, I have two over there. I have five, I think, lenses in total right now, but they all have a different purpose.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Of course, and I think the most shocking thing to me, when I buy my camera and everything like that, you know I'm new to it. I'm not understanding the price range and I'm looking up new lenses, especially like the big one that you have there. Like yesterday we're out glassing and I mean I can get it, but not nearly as close in as I want. You know, yeah, yeah. But then you look at the price range and it's like, well, I might as well just buy a new camera. You know it, it's expensive but it's a. You know it's a long-term investment. I, you know cameras and that's something I really learned is like this is a full investment that you got to take into. Um, it does pay out 100 and it's each lens has its own.

Speaker 1: 20:10

You know purpose, like you said, it's just it is a lot of money for somebody. You know for you, this is what you do. You know you went. You know you went to school for it. You know you've now worked in the field professionally and everything like that. So it's a completely different ball game than you know most people. You're you're even with me like I'm still not there yet. You know I still have the brand and everything like that, but I still can't make that decision yet to pump money into that or some. Anyone out there listen any joe schmo who wants to start recording? Listen I, I'm all for recording. I love it. I think it is one of the coolest things, especially when you get to go back and you relive your hunt I. And then when you create it and you, you made that, and you're sitting in bed like holy, holy shit, like I just made this, like this, this is this is pretty cool, Right? Um, you know, that's that's where I'm lacking.

Speaker 2: 21:11

See, I've been doing this for a long time now and I posted about bucks. I've shot you can see on my Instagram and there's there's videos on my Instagram of bucks I've shot, uh, previous years, but there's no YouTube content yet. I'm still working on my YouTube channel and trying to figure out the ropes of that and stuff like that and I'm lacking in that aspect of getting my content out there. I was more worried about going and filming and getting my name kind of known in the professional world as a cameraman and bouncing around for a couple years and doing that primarily yeah, and that's part of the what you're going to be doing this year.

Speaker 1: 21:51

I imagine it's focus. You said focusing on yourself and what that's going to come with. You know the content and the youtube. Hopefully you know the youtube this year and everything like that, but it's a lot of work, you know, doing it for everyone else and then also trying to fit time to to do it in, uh, for yourself as well as a lot. And you said you're not full-time, so are you? Are you doing a side job too at at the same time as this?

Speaker 2: 22:14

yeah, I'm a full-time contractor for my father.

Speaker 1: 22:18

Okay, so yeah it's, it's a it's a lot yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:22

So so I have a 40-hour week doing contracting and then, you know, my dad is, you know, gracious enough to let me go on these gigs and do what I need to do, to try to get my feet wet out there and get to be known in the hunting industry and stuff like that. So at the time still, right now, still allowed to go and take time off and go film and do what I need to do. But eventually there's going to be a time and day and place where, uh, I'm not going to be able to do that anymore.

Speaker 2: 22:50

So, yeah, yeah well, hopefully focusing on myself yeah, well, getting established enough and focusing on myself, I think, is definitely going to be a big start yeah, um, I think, like you said, you have all the tools there.

Speaker 1: 23:05

You see what you can do, or you know I could see what you do already and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 23:08

Like you've now done this enough, where you know, once you put it all together, of doing it for yourself, and everything like that, I think it's just going to start to just flow very smoothly for you as well. Um, like I said, I I do love the, the content that you do push um, so it's I think anyone should, should go watch who's who's learning to get into, or just wants to see the, the correct content, just to to go view your page and everything like that and see how it's kind of done, because you know it's something that it's people think it's easier than it, you know, but I mean some of these pictures, I mean you just look at the three that you have pinned up. Like you know the lighting is correct, like I, I know there's there's edits and stuff that you're doing, but you know you have to get the position, you have to get the lighting correct. There's so many things that you have to get correct that you're just not gonna know if you weren't, you know, basically trained in doing this.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Yeah, no like being able to go like film jared gibson, his main primary partner was steve france. So I was in the woods with steve france and that stuff like that, seeing how those guys operate and being in that aspect of seeing what lighting they use, what this is what you need to do and not seeing how their cameraman work in the field. That's where I, that's where I gained a lot of my knowledge and, uh, basically, yeah, so my photos with editing I lack in that aspect, so a lot of mine are iphone edits or something like. So they're not the major, but it is still lighting. It is about the lighting and stuff like that. That average person you wouldn't know as you were in that field.

Speaker 1: 24:53

Yeah, now, when you, when you were working with them and and you know all these these guys and everything like that were so you got to watch their cameraman and everything too Like so what type of film or shots were were you exactly, uh, doing?

Speaker 2: 25:09

uh, I mean, I also have a video camera right there that I've used too. So that was what I. That was my mobile setup, because for jury outdoors you really don't use camera arms, so I couldn't set my dslr up on a camera arm and feel comfortable it's. It's very hard to freehand a dslr camera and, yeah, that aspect in a stand, so I would freehand that and that's a lot more nimble and mobile in the stand. Uh, especially with those guys, especially when you have deer flying by you in the rut and they want to be a, they don't want to wait 30 seconds for you to get your camera arm set up, so you got to be ready.

Speaker 1: 25:43

You got to be ready to go.

Speaker 2: 25:44

So that's why I got that camera. And then, um, obviously, when you can have the perfect world and go, put your face in a tree, set up your camera arm and the whole nine yards, uh, then I'll run my dslr. I still have my dslr in my pack, but I don't pull it out unless we get a kill or we need to do some. I don't like to do retakes, but a lot of shows everyone knows they do retakes for hunting.

Speaker 2: 26:08

So I hate, I hate it, I don't like it. But you need to do it to make the show look good sometimes. So I like to.

Speaker 1: 26:16

I like to do it the raw as possible, but sometimes you need that extra I will say it is so when you're filming it it's so cringy when you're doing a retake and, like yesterday, uh, something I've I've had to get into more is remembering like b-roll is very important, like getting these other takes, making your videos not boring is is the key. That's how people stay engaged right, and yesterday I'm like you know I'm outouting, I'm putting up a camera. You know I'm doing my regular filming, but I'm like, wait, I I have to give myself some like good B roll. I need to give myself some other footage. So I'm like all right, let me set the camera up here and let me make it look like I'm doing. And I literally just like it was funny, I had walked into this field and I blew out like 10 turkeys. Okay, I was like, okay, like now I got to go back, set up the camera, go in there and make it look like I am film. I'm glassing the turkeys.

Speaker 2: 27:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:14

And it's like it's really I don't like it either, but it's, you have to do it. You know, I had one of my buddies you know we're a goose hunting last year and I was like, in this heat of the moment, I didn't have time to film what he was doing Cause I want to get a calling sequence. Well, I was more worried about filming the birds and then the birds coming in. I was like after it's like all right, we got a quick break, Like let's real quick, just run that and do that again. So we have the film and I don't like it either, but it's when you get to a certain point, it needs to, it needs to be done. And you know these companies. What are they doing? They're, they're doing these types of shots, like a lot of them are staged and everything like that. It's it's just how you have to do it and it's your, it's 2024.

Speaker 1: 28:03

It's not, it's the way it is now, and you know I will, I will tell you I it's, it makes, it makes the ending piece just so much better.

Speaker 2: 28:14

Cause. Then it's like all right, now I get it.

Speaker 1: 28:17

Yeah. So I think my how I've done it is this is how I'm learning. I'm learning watching all these guys and all these youtube episodes and and kind of going over what what they do and like, all right, like this is a cool angle, this is like and changing things up where I'll literally be on my back trying to film up. You know, like my steps or or something like that, and you look ridiculous. If someone is watching me in the woods, like they're're like what the hell is this guy doing? Like he looks like an idiot, but it's, you know, it's, it's for a, it's for a purpose.

Speaker 2: 28:50

No, it is, and no, when I'm a cameraman you gotta be all in and there's really no reason not to be because you've got to get all those good shots, especially because there's only going to be that moment in time, one time Like you can't go back and drag that deer back in the woods and be like this is where I got him.

Speaker 1: 29:09

No, that don't happen. No, yeah, exactly. Um, you know that's what, like I love, I will say I love, like I said, I love, the filming aspect. It makes it hard because when I film for my buddies, especially after a kill, like I'm, you call me and I will 100, like go down and film for him, actually like thinking about doing a thing where I start filming for, for people and everything like that and you know, or taking pictures, because I've gotten a lot of requests to do that during the season, where it's getting to the point where I'm gonna to have to start, you know, making some type of income, because I'm going to, I'm blowing work off, you know.

Speaker 1: 29:48

I'm like, hey, you know, I can't go to work, you know, and I'm gas, and then like if people want me to edit it for them, or something like that, it's like all right, at this point, like I'm going to have to start, so that's going to be coming in the future for for me, um, but it's, it's so much easier when somebody else kills an animal because I know what shots need to be done and I will be. But when I ask people to do it for me, it's like your basic. I'm like, oh shit like. I didn't. I needed this done, but it didn't get done, and I'm not blaming anybody, but it's just something that, like, if you're not somebody who was taught it or really wants to learn, when you go on youtube or watches these channels, you're not going to know that and you think just any type of footage is going to be good yeah, no, that's why I have a tough time when someone films me doing stuff and I don't use my own tripod and set up my shots prior and just be like listen.

Speaker 2: 30:42

All you need to do is press the record button. I already have the shot set up, laid out the way it needs to go, but when you have someone that knows what they're doing, it definitely definitely goes a lot smoother when two people know what they're doing versus one person doing all the stage setting. Also because it's hard to run back, set up your camera, look, look, and then you gotta keep looking at photos. So, but you can't have the can't have everything no, no, you can't, you can't.

Speaker 1: 31:08

Um. So when you're, when you're out in the midwest and everything like that, you know you're, you're filming for for all these guys. What was it like being a jersey boy? Like what? What was your first? What was your first job after the, you know, after? Like, who did you first go film with after?

Speaker 2: 31:26

First gig was yeah, jared Gibson went jury outdoors and that was uh so a big one that that that's a, that's a big one yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:36

Well, tom pulled me aside at the end of the last class and he was like hey, listen, I got a gig. If you want, if you're ready for it, you can go do it. If you're not, just tell me. But I think he told me I think you're capable of doing it. So he gave me the little I'm a high horse going in like I know you're capable of doing this. So that's why I was all right. And being that Jared Gibson and Steve France they're kind of more, jared Gibson especially was a little bit more lax, I would say in Steve France, um, especially to film for um in the beginning, um, but uh, definitely learned a lot off those guys. And being that that was my first gig, uh, yeah, there was a lot of pressure going into it. So, showing up the first day, uh, it was a lot of pressure on me to perform and do what. I know that I was taught in school to go and do how nervous form and do what I know that I was taught in school to go and do.

Speaker 2: 32:29

How nervous were you? Did you fly out? Uh, no, I actually drove out the first time. Uh, I'll drive up to like 15 hours away, so that's like basically to the far side of missouri, um. So I drove out there, pulled into camp and stuff like that, and sure enough they're they're already ball busting me right out the gate Because I'm from Jersey, and the whole nine yards. So Gotta get warmed up to all that. But it was good Got warmed up to all that. So it was definitely fun at camp with those guys.

Speaker 1: 32:56

So you get there. When do you arrive? What is the setup? Are you there for the whole hunting season or are you there only for certain Aspects of it?

Speaker 2: 33:10

So that particular gig I was called in to film for I think it was, um, he gave me certain dates and I forget if it was two weeks at the time, but I think it was like two weeks and uh, we had two state. He had tags in two states, so basically what it was. I was show up a day before I was supposed to go and film so say he was hunting on the fifth. Uh, I would show up the fourth of november and start hunting on the fifth and then we would go basically two weeks until we kill. So, say, if he killed within three days, then we would move to the next date and go. So that's how that basically works.

Speaker 2: 33:46

So we weren't, we were basically staying put until we basically killed. Uh, what a life, yeah. So, and then basically I would leave the day after. So if he would kill, I would leave the day after that. If we don't need to get no b-roll shots, extra shots and stuff like that, uh, I would head out the next day and flying purposes. It's a little different. Uh, sometimes you gotta stay at that person's house extra day and head out the day after, so that's a little different gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Um, what was your first, like your first time out in the woods seeing the difference from the midwest to to jersey, what was going through your mind?

Speaker 2: 34:26

ah, you could probably go watch the video. It's on. It's on critical mass with jared gibson I forget the name of the show is, I think it's called mr clean and I filmed that. He shot 161 inch, 11 pointer, um, and I don't know. I just was all over the place, basically when there's deer running around me and all of them are a bit bigger than 125 inches. So I'm like yo, jared, fuck yo jared big buck. Yo, jared big buck, yo jared big buck. He's like yo, dude, they're not that big, relax yo, I wait. I mean I need a bigger one. Those are, those are 125 inches. Like this is the midwest now, especially the first, especially the first year when I was out there. So it was definitely uh, I gotta had to stop saying big buck coming in. I then I just got used to saying you know there's a buck coming in, you know there's a buck coming in, and then yeah, what?

Speaker 1: 35:10

what a difference. It's like oh my god, that thing's a monster. It's like, yeah, now that's yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:15

He's like I would have shot that if it was jersey, but yeah, I know that was definitely. The biggest difference was the caliber of deer you could just tell just from being a Jersey hunter. Going to the Midwest You're like dang, these deer have size. I mean they're getting to the age they need to and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 35:36

Yeah, no, that's incredible. That's the dream is to, to hunt the midwest, um, so you, you work there. Where does it go from there?

Speaker 2: 35:48

uh, from that gig I went and did what was my next gig after that. I think it was for a youtube group, but but it's no longer for a little bit. And then I went and filmed, for it was called at the time, I don't know. They had two of them. It was the North American Bone Collector Championship. It was out in Kansas. They had two years of it. It kind of faded after that, I'm pretty sure, but I filmed in the first year of that. That was all free though, basically. So basically I drove out there. I was already doing the gig in missouri for that youtube group that doesn't do anything anymore.

Speaker 1: 36:28

They I don't even know if there's videos on their youtube anymore.

Speaker 2: 36:30

To be honest, it was twisted bone outdoors. Um, I met him through school so we just kind of started filming each other and going starting out. But uh, after that, with the bone championship going into the next season, I did jared gibson again. That was your back-to-back, basically big gigs with those guys. I would say the championship was really fun. You went, I went filmed uh, I forget the guy's name off the top of my head, but it was a guy from new york and uh, we got along pretty good in the stand and it was. You went out there, filmed five days and, uh, the winner won I don't quote me on this. It was, I think, 25 or 50 000 right around that realm when they, when you won and you had to shoot the biggest buck in that and those five days. So there was 15 cameramen, 15 hunters and whoever shot the biggest buck out of the end of the five day won that money. There was a whole bunch of sponsors.

Speaker 1: 37:23

I wanted to have time of course, yeah, yeah, that's pretty impressive though yeah, it was at wicked outfitters out in kansas. That's where we were okay, okay, all right, um. So your your your second year back out there. You know what? What now you're, you're coming in with more experience and everything like that. Did the expectations change from from them with you? Were they were you doing more work, like what? What was your year two? Um experience?

Speaker 2: 37:51

yeah, year two was gonna be hard to beat year one. And the main thing that I left about, left out about year one, was steve france called jared gib stand and was like yo man, I just shot the big buck, like we got him. And then he hung up and we seen the deer go by on the ridge Right and now this is 430. You can go watch this whole episode and everything like that. And Jared looks up at me. He's like yo, dude, what do we do? I'm like dude, dude, we need to get down. He's going to the scrape that's down the ridge and he's going to hit that scrape and then he's going to do a circle and come, and he's not going to come back by us because they had enough cameras to where you know where you were going, yeah, um. So jared looks up at me. He's like what you're saying we should move? I'm like, dude, I'm not saying it, but from my experience I think we need to move. So he's like all right, sure, we're moving.

Speaker 2: 38:41

And at the time my nickname was corn dog. I don't know why my nickname was corn dog, but I forget the reason, but my nickname was corn dog. So we get down, we go climb this tree and, sure enough, 10 minutes goes by and this deer is dogging a doe down this ridge I mean coming down this ridge, and no, was that. That. Was that that one? Yeah, that was that time. And then, um, it stopped in these like pine trees and turned around and went back down and like, and then disappeared. We're like okay, it's never gonna come back out. And then wait, hold on here, time out. Let me think about my stories here, because they were back to back and we hunted the same spot two years in a row.

Speaker 1: 39:21

So a lot of a lot of hunts.

Speaker 2: 39:25

Well, there was a lot of hunts. So we hunted the same spot back to back two years and we hunted it for two weeks straight and there's a lot of things all right. So the first hunt, the first year we hunted um and that deer came up from the bottom and came right actually by us, went into the pines, came back out and then basically disappeared for a little bit. Well then he came back out and he got a pretty decent shot and he we had to call in dogs the whole nine yards, we had to get dogs there and everything like that, and they came in and wound up finding the deer. But that was 27 hours later if you go watch the video 27 hours later, yeah, 27 hours later.

Speaker 1: 40:04

All right, that's the next one I'm gonna watch it's mr, it's mr.

Speaker 2: 40:08

Call mr clean.

Speaker 2: 40:10

Yeah, we find it 27 hours later, the next next day, and then, okay, now year two was when we moved, we're switching stands. So we went in that stand that we were hunting the first year and we seen the shooter of that year. He ran by us and I forget the year's name and all that crap, but uh, that deer, that shooter of that year, ran by us. Then we got down and went to that stand. Well, steve called us, said he shot a big one and that deer happened to be dogging the doe. Well, guess what? And jared flooped, because of all the pressure of us moving and all that, he grazed the whites of the deer on the stomach oh man, I mean he.

Speaker 2: 40:49

He had the phone call from steve saying that he just shot the target buck over at the other farm. I I told him that we should move like everything was just all pressure situation and nevertheless we only had 10 minutes to get set up and get all the cameras rolling and yeah, that's how that one ended up happening. But yeah, so it was two very, very, I would say, amped up experiences for my first two times going to film for those guys.

Speaker 1: 41:16

No, I mean, I could only like it sounds like it. I mean what a, what an experience. You know, and as in you know the the new guy into filming too, I mean it's no better way to to really learn as well, you know, and it's you're, you're able to get out there right away and just you know, basically give it a full send and with you know, it seems like a lot, of, a lot of success as well.

Speaker 2: 41:39

Yeah, no there's definitely a lot of success as well. Yeah, I know there's definitely a lot of success with those guys. It was fun in camp. It wasn't too pressure situation. Obviously you still had to perform and do what I needed to do. Being a cameraman, um, and learning off of steve's cameraman of what to do and stuff like that definitely helped me out. So there was no. There was time and place for fooling around, but there was time, place to be serious because you know you're getting paid, you're paid gig, it's a job, it's a yeah exactly, it's a job.

Speaker 2: 42:04

That's what I went to school for and that's what I'm here to do. I'm not here to be friends with them, even though I am still friends with those guys. I'm just saying we're going around to be a cameraman, not to be friends with everybody yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:17

Um, how many years did you use the two years? Or were there any more years with with the juries?

Speaker 2: 42:23

I did three total with them?

Speaker 1: 42:25

okay, three total. Um, if they called you right now, would you? Would you go back?

Speaker 2: 42:31

jared gibson and steve france are the only exception. So jared gibson seriously would call my phone right now on this podcast. I would answer it and yeah, if I my days were open which I still have, my openings are still pretty available because I wasn't booking any doing taking any bookings this year yeah, I'll go film for those guys. I'll help jared in a minute. It's just the experience with those guys. I can't beat it and and there's always room to grow and learn and especially with that group of guys, I feel like I always can learn from them. I always can better myself and they're just good guys they go hang out and camp with and have a good time, whether I'm filming for them, filming for myself. That's just that type of group yeah, no, yeah it's.

Speaker 1: 43:13

They make really good content and it's, it's, it's fun to watch. Um, you know, I who doesn't know the, the juries and all them and just all the they're, they're at like the top of the hunting world for the most part yeah, yeah, so yeah, especially yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:28

I mean I haven't really met any of the juries so I've only come out with jared gibson and steve france they're part of the pro staff crew and critical mass.

Speaker 1: 43:37

But yeah, but it's, it's a part of the whole. You know it's all one tree and an umbrella and you know it's. It's pretty unique. Just watch, you know, just watching their stuff too, it's just like you know it's. You can see why they're there and you know for, for everything that they do, you know they're. They're not uh, you know a part of that for for no reason at all, especially for as long as, as long as they, they have been too yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:08

So it was definitely fun filming for those guys. I would do it again in a minute now you know you're, you're, you're more experienced.

Speaker 1: 44:16

Now let's talk a little bit more about your, your recent years, um, you know you've you've gone on some some great hunts, filmed some great content. You know, um, there there are a few pictures out. Let's see who should we last? I think this was last year, november 7th smoke time outdoors. Where was that? At missouri? Is it a double split?

Speaker 2: 44:43

buck yeah yeah, that was that, that was missouri now what?

Speaker 1: 44:50

what was it like going down there, you know, filming, filming for those guys and everything like that. You know, yeah, that that was fun.

Speaker 2: 44:57

I mean that was another fun group. I mean mean he had a couple of friends that fell in for him, but it was mainly it was his name was Steven, it was mainly Steve, and he was the owner of the company Smoke Time Outdoors and stuff like that. And yeah, I went with him basically for a year of fishing and hunting. So we went, we went and did five tournaments. I'm not big into fishing, so it wasn't MLF, it was the. I forget the tournaments, it's the local tournaments that you can all join. You just got to pay, you know, obviously, to get in. You can win a boat though at the end of all of it. So it was the professional tournaments. Like the big guy showed up, but obviously they know what they're doing.

Speaker 1: 45:38

Yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 2: 45:39

But yeah, no, definitely. But yeah, no, it was fun filming for him on the boat for five fishing tournaments. I went down to Florida, went down and fished a Harrison chain. I filmed there in the beginning of the year and then we worked into hunting season when I shot that buck. But yeah, that's where we started, in Florida. Basically I think that was February. So I filmed for that group from February allary all the way until january of the following year. Wow, yeah, we were together for a year and I was flying out almost every other month to go do something with that group. That was.

Speaker 1: 46:12

That was a lot so when you so, when you're you're doing that, you know a lot of travel time. You know you're, you're all over the place. You know what's it like being on the road with. You know with the hunting crew and you know what's kind of not the hunting, like what is what is downtime? Like what are you guys doing on? You know, for downtime you guys talking, hunting, what what's kind of going on in.

Speaker 2: 46:37

You know this type of environment depends on the gig you got for downtime and stuff like that. So it depends on the group, the gig and exactly what you got. Going on this particular scenario, with smoke time outdoors, it was more of a lax group. Uh, you had more downtime than you, uh, with probably any other groups, um, and I don't know, I still had to work. You know normal get up in the morning because it was during the ride you had to get up.

Speaker 2: 47:01

Well, during November I had to get up crack of dawn hour beforehand, you know, be able to get my gear on, have my camera equipment ready to go, and we had to walk into the woods and sometimes we were running and gunning, mainly with this guy. We were setting up our stand, sometimes in the morning, and he came to find out that I really don't like doing that because with all my camera equipment setting up stands, doing all that sweating like that, I suppose my forte. I would rather have my camera, I would rather go set up. I would rather come into camp two days prior to when we want to hunt, go set up the stuff that we want to go scout, go set up our stuff, so then we make less noise going in.

Speaker 2: 47:34

Especially as a camera guy, it helps the camera guy out a lot. So, um, so, once we once we got to figure out what we each other liked, it was definitely definitely fun. Um, that particular trip in missouri, uh, that deer was actually shot at seven yards underneath the tree stand and uh, you can go watch that video. And that deer came in basically at my 12 o'clock and walked straight in and he, he just walked straight in. I thought he was gonna bust us because we just were set. We were legit in a telephone pole of a tree in the middle of these woods, um, and me and me and steven are just up there. We're just like there's no way this guy doesn't spot us. But he didn't and we went and got him and found him and everything like that. But it was, that experience was real fun. He was hunting on a buddy of his property, private property in the area that's you know.

Speaker 1: 48:23

It's the.

Speaker 1: 48:24

The main thing I want to take from that is you know, like you said, the running gun setup for a when you're, when you're doing all the filming it is, it is a lot, of, a lot of work to do.

Speaker 1: 48:35

You know when you, when you're, when you're doing a hunting style like that, you need to be quiet as possible because I mean, it defeats the whole purpose. If you're running gunning but you're loud as shit and everyone knows that, you know from I don't care if you're just a casual hunter to the, to the hardcore hunter that's like one of the first things you learn is you know when you are setting up and everything, like you got to be as quiet as possible. I mean, it drives me crazy Sometimes when I just you know I'm setting everything up and it's like I make too much of a lot of noise and now on your mind is like, did I just ruin this hunt already before it even starts? Like you know, did I do all this to for nothing? Hence why I have gone to such a light setup. So, first of all saddle.

Speaker 2: 49:26

Do you saddle hunt? Have you gotten to the saddle game yet? Uh, I mean I've had them on, I've haven't hunted in one but I'm not opposed to. I mean, to be honest, it really ain't my forte because the amount of gear I carry in I don't find the comfort. I'm not comfortable in a saddle yet to be able to carry all that gear in. And I don't like how close you are to the tree when you're shooting. So if you're tough, got turned around, you got to face the tree and shoot something. I have no mobility to move my camera around if it's on the other side of of tree, because usually your camera takes the inside spot. Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 2: 50:04

It would be a big change for me to go to saddle hunting because I've gotten so used to hunting out of hang-ons and going to set up stand with climbing sticks and stuff like that and putting a base in the tree and stuff like that. I can still run and gun that way. It's just I got to go into the woods an extra hour early to go get set up and gotcha. Yeah, who wants to sweat in the deer stand? I think smell is a little bit more.

Speaker 2: 50:26

Uh, I agree with you I think they can't they catch your smell a little bit more than movement noise? Up there in the tree stand I, I definitely agree.

Speaker 1: 50:33

I mean that's why, like, if you look at all my setups, I mean I went from fourth arrow to um lone wolf pocket and that's like my main run and gun, because it's so small, it's tiny and it's so light and it's really easy for me to set up with and steel to cinch it down and everything like that. And then this year I will actually be running and this year I will actually be running.

Speaker 2: 51:03

I still got the very, very small fourth arrow arm this year.

Speaker 1: 51:06

From Legacy, right. So I'm going to be giving them a shot because, especially during the rut, I do so much moving around that sometimes I really just want to leave my camera arms in there because I'm going to be back and forth anyway, you know. So sometimes I just don't. But if I have a change of a game plan, I don't want to be like, oh, like shit, I got to go all the way to the woods and go grab, you know, go grab this or go grab that. You know, I'd rather just okay, you know what change of plan? Maybe this wind isn't working for this spot, where I originally thought it was, so I'm gonna go on a a different spot. Now that I have two camera arms, one will be in the woods and then one will make sure we'll always be in the trunk at all times and I'll just have to to work it like that, just in case.

Speaker 1: 51:56

If you know, I don't have the time to, because it can be a pain in the butt and I like being efficient as possible and as quiet as possible and, like you said, I hate sweating in the woods. It is. It is you, you don't want to do that. Um, so I I agree with you. Um, I've even I've looked at fourth arrows, um, the same one you're talking about. I just I hate ratchet straps and that's why I've not. I have fourth arrow stuff but I will not use it for like those are, for all, like my set, all my set stuff are fourth arrow. I won't do it anything to do with. You know anything that to be mobile with ratchet straps drive me crazy in the woods. I hate them.

Speaker 2: 52:38

They're my arch enemy all right, that's funny, see, I being a cameraman and doing all that stuff. Ratchet straps are the least of my worries of the noise like my footsteps walking in the leaves freak me out more than the ratchet trap on the deer stand because especially in jersey I mean being in jersey those deer here, all types of norse is all day long. They got people. They're in their ear all day long. If you go out west and especially midwest, even further, depending on where you're hunting yeah, I mean the deer here, ratchet strap, odds of them really running are slim to none because they don't know what it is. Obviously if you're up there like yo, I'm here.

Speaker 2: 53:19

I'm here, but if you're trying to be casual with it and know how to work a ratchet strap like I, can be real, really quiet with the ratchet strap, especially if you pull up the slide and ratchet with the slider up silent yeah me, and just they, just they piss me off. You learn the little techniques of how to be quiet, especially when you quote, unquote, get yelled at before and it was prior before why you make it too much.

Speaker 1: 53:43

Yeah, so I learned to be really quiet um, you know. So, have you done any hunting down south at all? I mean, I know you said florida, what was florida like?

Speaker 2: 53:55

well, that was for a fishing tournament, that wasn't okay, so that was just fishing. Yeah, further south Carolinas or Georgia Okay, I forget if I was hunting in Georgia or if I was just fishing tournament, but yeah, I've been for hog hunting down in Carolinas Whitetail and stuff like that, for a different company that I was working for at the time.

Speaker 1: 54:22

Have you done any filming for you outside of whitetail like uh black bear? I know you've done turkey and stuff like that, but any waterfowl, anything like that in in that manner or do you plan on doing it ever?

Speaker 2: 54:36

waterfowl is totally different aspect. Um, I'm not opposed to it, but I've never done waterfowl is a totally different aspect. I'm not opposed to it, but I've never done waterfowl, only fishing. That's the only type of water I've done is on boats and stuff like that, which that's a totally different aspect from hunting. When you relax, you've got to kind of basically just keep your cameras all rolling until they hook up and then you've got to make sure you capture the moment and you only have five minutes from when they're reeling that fish to releasing it to get all the stuff you need. That's the pressure scenario with fishing from hunting. You have a lot more time to do what you need to do. You know what I mean oh yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 1: 55:11

It's completely different now. Do you find that? How do you do it when you have to keep cameras constantly rolling while you're fishing, like you know what? How are you charging these batteries? Like, what are you doing to keep charging batteries? How many batteries are you running? Or or things like that. Like, how do you get all the shots, all the angles, while meanwhile you have no idea when something is going to happen?

Speaker 2: 55:35

well, I take as much b-roll as possible on my DSLR and I'm primarily a videographer but I do know how to do take stills. But yeah, I'll basically take as much B-roll as possible of them throwing out, using switching lowers in the whole nine yards or switching arrows in the whole nine yards, with the hunting aspect, and then with the batteries when they go forever basically the gopros, you can plug them into the boat and keep them plugged in. So they just run 24 7, but I've been having a problem recently with overheating. So yeah, so going, I have sevens and they really haven't had that problem unless they were in the sun. Uh, new one the new ones?

Speaker 2: 56:19

yeah, they just overheat as soon as you let them run for like 20 minutes. So I gotta figure out that's an if, that's a battery thing with gopro going on. But I haven't really reached out to them yet so they definitely know it's a problem because I've seen it online come across before.

Speaker 1: 56:30

Um okay, gotcha, gotcha, um, you know, uh, so I'll have a few more for you. You know it's, we'll start to wrap it up Shortly. This is, I mean, I love talking about this, this whole Aspect of it too. I don't Get too many guys like this on, so, yeah, it's always A pleasure. So I want to hit all aspects Now. Turkey hunting yeah, filming your hunts, I mean it is now. I feel like you can't get away with as much as you do in the turkey woods as you would in the deer woods, is that? Do you find that to be true?

Speaker 2: 57:10

yeah, that's very true. Yeah, uh, first year when I was doing trying to turkey, uh I basically was using without a blind. I mean you definitely can do that, but I found being in a blind turkey hunting is a lot more easier to get that obviously, footage you need to do. You can move more, you can grab your gun, your gun can be propped up and I run tripods 90% of the time for turkey hunting.

Speaker 1: 57:36

Yeah, no, this year was my first year filming turkeys and it was. It was fun, but I so much more worried about actually killing a bird than filming which, of course, which you should do but, um, it didn't get just a lot more b-roll, yeah, but it didn't get easier until the end. Um, you know, we were on birds to haunt our time, but just absolutely having the time of I can't move at this point, like there, there's nothing I can do and I'm not even risking trying to turn on my camera to film, like with a deer. I will, I will, I will do it. I will make that cautious move to like turn on the camera and slowly move.

Speaker 1: 58:23

You can get away with it so much easier with you know, the minute you do the littlest thing in the Turkey woods, these things are, they're on you in a second, you know. So I was just really nervous about that, so I didn't get as much good footage as I probably should have. But you know, when you first started, you know you, yeah, what was it like? Was, was there anything that really frustrated you like with, with turkey hunting at the time? Were, were you hunting and filming or were you filming for people?

Speaker 2: 58:56

uh, the first time when I was filming turkey I was doing I always do both so at that time my dad was filming me and I was also filming myself, because I'm a self-filmer I'm 99% sure I mean 99.9% uh, self-filmer because I mean I have my one buddy that comes and films.

Speaker 2: 59:15

But you know, you don't really get him in the woods as often as it should. So um filming with by being a self-filmer and having my dad film me, I was able to get the footage I needed of that hunt. But my father was on the bird and kind of was. It was good at the time but it was a handy cam so I can't really knock the footage because it was a handy cam. But it was um hard for him to locate the bird in the viewfinder because it was so small at the time and not really a cameraman. So it's hard to teach people how to find an animal in a viewfinder and keep your eyes like on it, which that was when I was obviously learning. That was my biggest thing was I was able to find the deer quicker than other people would. I don't know why.

Speaker 1: 1:00:03

I just track deer better, but I can pick it up a lot quicker than people gotcha no, that is one of the one of the more difficult things I would say in the beginning too. Now it's like all right, like I kind of, for the most part, have gotten it, but it does. It takes practice to get used to. Um, there's just with with birds, it's just.

Speaker 1: 1:00:26

It is just so much harder because, yeah, you can't they're just so much they're so quick, they're so and they're so much smaller and I think, you know, in the early season it's going to be a lot easier. But as time goes on, like us in new jersey by the time that you're ending, last week or two, I mean, first of all, these birds are pressured, and that was another like the littlest thing would send these birds just absolutely just running, and I'm just trying to to get the camera on it and everything. Like I missed it, like it's. I was. I remember the last day of the season and I've been watching these, these Jake's, you know, and I'm looking for my first, my first turkey. So I was like I have no problem with shooting Jake and he closed the difference from like three or 400 yards to maybe like 90, but then bedded down and, yeah, then a hen came out. So I'm like all right, she's moving this way, this way parallel to me. I'm right here in a ditch and I'm like, oh no, like they're going to come completely down here. So I got up, move my whole setup Right, cause I'm completely down here. So I got up, moved my whole setup right, because I'm in a drainage. So it's perfect, like I can dip down and I can go parallel to them where they're not going to see me.

Speaker 1: 1:01:50

But when I came back up I lost them and I had no idea where they are. So I'm looking and I had the camera, I'm trying to find them and he was actually like 70 yards right in front of me but I just I couldn't pick him up in time and he just bolted and I was like, oh my God. I was like it's because I'm trying to get the footage as much as I'm trying to kill this, this bird too, I am still trying to get the footage because I would, I would like to edit it, I would like to record. I also see what I do wrong. You know, I'd like, you know, my fiance to watch it and my family to watch it and stuff like that. So I'm I'm also trying to do this too Like, oh my God, like you know, I want to see you know they all want to of just like what deer you would.

Speaker 1: 1:02:47

I would have been able to see that deer right over there without a problem. I would never have lost that deer, because it's a bird. Yeah, you lose it. And now they're so skittish that it's like forget it they. And then he studied, hung up like four, four hundred yards out and then was chilling with deer and like was was staying within the, the deer herd and everything like that, and I was like, ah. I was like, well, next year, next year I will, I have a vendetta against you. Know, a Turkey next year where I, um, I'm looking forward to that, but we're, we're right around the corner for deer season, so you know any, you're, you're going into the year focusing on yourself.

Speaker 2: 1:03:25

What are your main goals for for this season? Uh, let's see here, my primary goal probably be to really start releasing footage. That is, without a none. I gotta get that going. Um, behind, that would be obviously, if I can. This is obviously not really. I mean, this is still focusing on myself, but not for filming wise. If the opportunity does arise where I can get a full-time gig with someone, I still will want to be a cameraman for someone. Obviously, that's still going to take over anything that I want to do, regardless of the situation. Um, and then, third, it would probably be uh, I'm going to see if I can keep on rolling and get my second out of state.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

But going into the season, uh, I got my first out-of-state buck last year in missouri, so that was on public land and showed up, didn't even really, I mean, just went scouted out an area, went in and I just got done filming a gig for smoke time outdoors at buck in missouri that you actually pulled up, yeah, yeah. And uh, I headed over to a spot that I had picked out, from my other buddy telling me where to go and I called my buddy. I'm like yo, dude, you tagged out. Are you flying out? Like you said you were. And my buddy's like dude, you're lying. I'm like dude, no, you're flying out. So he legit bought a ticket, flew out. So I've got to give him, uh, you know, a little shout out. That was hana barwick, but uh, he flew out. What came filming? Uh, we went scouted this property. I scouted the two days prior to him coming out, because he was had to work for two days, um, and I had to wait for the rifle to end. So I had to wait for rifle season to end, so to bow hunt in missouri. So as soon as rifle ended, I went into the woods and, sure enough, first morning here comes this 125 inch, 8 point 120 points on my instagram and uh, smoked on that.

Speaker 2: 1:05:02

I'm like there's a stump to my right and just got this bow, the new bow. I got it, I think beginning in middle of october, beginning november. I got that bow, so I just do my sight on. It was only sighted in for 25 yards. The stump I range find it was at 25 yards. I'm like if a deer any size walks in and hits that stump, I'm killing it. Sure enough hunter's like yo, a pointer, a pointer coming yards. I'm like if a deer any size walks in and hits that stump, I'm killing it. Sure enough hunter's like yo, a pointer, a pointer coming in. I'm like I look and he's walking to the stump. I'm like if he stops on that stump, I'm just gonna shoot him. Just because he stopped there, he stopped over that stump and I legit chuckled to myself. I'm like no way. So I smoked them. And then, uh, hunter had flawless footage and um able to capture it all. And now I just gotta, you know, get to it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:45

And I didn't look but, yeah, but yeah, going into this season, I'm looking to do that again in missouri whether it's missouri, ohio, I don't know where I'm going to be hunting out of state this year. Yet haven't really picked yet, that's still up in the air. May do both if I can, we'll see what happens. But, uh, as of jersey goes, I want to see. Um, my other goal would be to try to tag out on a buck, but I tagged out last year on day three. So, um, I want, I gotta beat that. That's my goal, I gotta beat it. I gotta shoot a doe opening morning and I gotta get to it that evening. It's hard for me to do, but I want to get to it impressive.

Speaker 1: 1:06:20

We were um man this whole I I get earn a buck, but it's so frustrating. We I glassed yesterday just absolutely just monsters. And this is my. This will be my first year deer hunting on this property. We just found it for turkey season and it's just full of life. So we plan on deer hunting it, waterfowl hunting it, like it has like everything turkeys on it, like it's. It's incredible.

Speaker 1: 1:06:50

And now I knew that there are big deer in the area but I didn't realize, oh, my God, this property has got just absolutely massive deer and it's just like I'm so used to hunting in just thick, nasty stuff, where this is a lot of open field, like there's bean fields and like all these types of stuff. So it's going to be a new change for me. Um, you know I'm used to just not seeing a deer until it's like 10, 15, 20 yards and you have a small little window. So now, so you know I I'm gonna have to do my best. I haven't decided where I'm hunting opening day, if I'm gonna be there or or my usual spots but the minute I shoot a doe I am going straight there and that's the goal is to tag out down there. Now I don't need to do it in three days or beat a certain time period, but I need to tag out. These deer are very impressive, but you know, if you could do it in three days, that's going to be something else. Or before three days, that's a lot.

Speaker 2: 1:08:01

I got one picked out right now that if I can just get a couple camera eyes on him and pick his pattern out, I'll get him in three days. I just got to get a couple more cameras out there and he's got to stick to the plan. But the beans are killing me right now. I don't have the bean field to hunt. I have the woods next to it, so that's my hardest part right now.

Speaker 1: 1:08:25

It's like going to the beans. Yeah, we had. We had no idea. We thought it was going to be corn and you know, because the the one side is is corn, so where we spent a lot of the time scouting for turkeys and everything, that's all corn. And then the other field we're just assuming that it was just going to be corn and I pulled up yesterday and I saw those beans and I was like, well, I'm going to put a camera out right now and this is a huge game changer that changes a lot of things. Where it's like I kind of want to pull some of my cameras from other spots and start focusing us down there, because you know it's the perfect these bean fields are. They're everything right now.

Speaker 2: 1:09:03

They're, they're gold, oh yeah oh yeah, I got majority of my cameras out. Right now, whether that would be. I have all my cellular cameras out. I have majority of my sd card cameras out, but yeah it's just, it's that time now. It's that grind. I love it, yeah. Yeah, I know I love it too, but it's going to be Dude. Time flies by. It's already going to be like the season's here, like let's go. It's now going to be the run. We're already going to be talking about the run A couple months.

Speaker 1: 1:09:26

I know right, it's crazy Because this year I'm starting. We already start early enough, but I'm starting New York um chasing bear um.

Speaker 2: 1:09:37

Sunday's are missing opening day here, right no, no, we're, we're 14th.

Speaker 1: 1:09:41

We're on 14th, we're the second week of September oh, we are the second week this year. Yeah, okay, because last year we're early, yeah, last year we're earlier um. This year we're the 14th, um. I don't think it's officially been announced, but that's what all signs are pointing towards is September 14th, if I'm not mistaken, it's not going to.

Speaker 2: 1:10:06

Oh yeah, I thought it was going to be the 7th. I could be wrong too, though.

Speaker 1: 1:10:14

Let's double check. Let's see if it's up.

Speaker 2: 1:10:17

I thought it was the 7th yep September 14th, 2024 damn okay, second week that makes it worse.

Speaker 1: 1:10:27

So I'll be out and then, yeah, I'll be the next week, I'll be here in Jersey and everything like that. But it's, we're, yeah, we're almost there. I can't believe it's already like, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be beating my goal.

Speaker 2: 1:10:43

My goal's already out now, because I shot my idea last year on 9-11.

Speaker 1: 1:10:49

Oh, okay, yeah, okay season starts after 9-11.

Speaker 2: 1:10:52

I can't beat my goal now. That's out, yeah, yeah yeah, I can still go for within three days, but I can't beat the date now yeah, no, you gotta wait, yeah, um, all right, so I got a couple more for you.

Speaker 1: 1:11:07

Um, we ask every newcomer these questions.

Speaker 2: 1:11:13

Um, if you could, if two weeks money is not an option, you know what is your dream hunt and where elk hunt definitely an elk hunt and I would say I'm gonna pick two states because I've been to both of them Colorado for elk or Montana.

Speaker 1: 1:11:53

Typical or non-typical white tail.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

Non-typical white tail.

Speaker 1: 1:12:03

Non-typical. You a tree stand snacker in the woods. You always bring snacks in the woods. Yes, sir, what's your go-to hunting snack?

Speaker 2: 1:12:21

um, it's a peanut butter wafer and chocolate bar. I forget who makes it off on my head chocolate wafer bar yeah, I forget who makes off on my head.

Speaker 2: 1:12:35

I haven't got had him in a long time, now that you said that, because I only get them during hunting season. Um, I think it's like nature valley or something like that. I think those are the bars that would make sense. Yeah, I think it's those, and they make a wafer chocolate with nuts on top if you could buy property in any state to hunt, where would it be? Missouri could buy property in any state to hunt. Where would it be? Missouri?

Speaker 1: 1:13:03

If you could get sponsored by one company, what company would you want to get sponsored by? Could be anything, anything to do with hunting, so that even includes cameras I was going to say it's no brainer.

Speaker 2: 1:13:15

Sony. Now if I had to pick a hunting brand, something to actually do with hunting, it'd probably be a Bose sponsor. Now I'm not going to say any company names because I haven't tried them all out there, but whatever one's willing to work with me, that's the one. I'm willing to work with Smart smart, but yeah, other but other than that.

Speaker 1: 1:13:41

yeah, that's basically it um, who's the dream person that you want to film with? Is there one specific company or guy that you've like that's on your bucket list, that you would love to film for?

Speaker 2: 1:13:56

yeah, keifer brothers. If I could go film anybody, it'd be a keifer brothers. That's how. That's who I started growing up. Watching was the keifer brothers when they were doing, uh, rival wild. Uh, I think still to this day they do rival wild, unless they changed the name. Um, yeah, but yeah no, definitely the ke keeper brothers, chris and Casey.

Speaker 1: 1:14:27

If you could hunt with one person now, it could be dead or alive, famous, whatever who would it be? Or who would you want to film for? Either one, hunt, film, both, both. Well, you kind of got the you got the film on before Already.

Speaker 2: 1:14:46

Yeah, the film for it was the Keith brothers. Definitely To hunt with, I guess To go on hunts. I'm going to say it's going to have to say Ted Nugent, yeah, uncle Ted. Yeah, I got to go do some trips with him. I would have to say half. I'm going to have to say Ted Nugent, yeah, uncle Ted. Yeah, I got to go do some trips with him. I would have to do a trip with him. I don't care where it's at, but he's from Michigan. I have family from Michigan on my mom's side, so yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:15:08

That's a good one. If you could only hunt one week out of the year, what week would you pick?

Speaker 2: 1:15:19

what week would you pick? It would vary on the week. It'd vary because of weather going into the season, because everyone knows that weather is definitely changing minute by minute going into each season, but definitely probably a week in November, whatever that first major cold snap is in November, whether that be the first week, second week and if it happens to be the last week in October. It's been a condition of mine since I don't know now how long, but at least 10 years now, to every Halloween.

Speaker 1: 1:15:53

So I have yet to kill one on that day.

Speaker 2: 1:15:56

yet I've probably killed those on that day, but I have yet to kill a nice mature buck on that day that's.

Speaker 1: 1:16:01

That's in the goals for me too as well. Halloween is just mad.

Speaker 2: 1:16:06

Magical day in the woods, yeah no now, I think I forgot to tell you I've been on. I filmed on Elkhorn's before I filmed. Oh, you did. Yeah, I've been on. I filmed on Elkhorns before I filmed Pig House oh, you did. Yeah, I filmed on Beyond Rubicon, out in I think it was Colorado. I went there and that's when I did Elkhoning and we filmed Antelope Hunt. I filmed Antelope Hunt. That was pretty fun Antelopes. Now you want to talk about a deer with turkey eyes? Yeah, yeah, those things can see and it's like the littlest movement and we were treed up in a bush, like I mean, because it's all like you know, it's all flat land.

Speaker 1: 1:16:43

So we were in a bush and we couldn't move.

Speaker 2: 1:16:45

He's like do not move your camera. I'm like I don't even have the deer in frame yet, like, and I'm like inching it because I don't want to get caught. It's like the turkey, like if you move and they see it, they're gonna run but that was, that was very fun doing that. I forgot to say that no, that's, that's pretty dope.

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

Um, I've heard a lot of great things. I heard how challenging, very challenging hunt for sure yeah, I know definitely, it was definitely fun experience those guys um you know what and, and kind of like the last one of you know for for yourself, you know what's, what's your five-year goal, if you, if you got one, what's what's the plan in the next five years?

Speaker 2: 1:17:26

well, my plan still is to be a cameraman whether it's for myself, for my own show, uh, to be a cameraman to start out and someone else, so whether I've been doing that for the last six years bouncing around, I haven't landed that full-time gig yet, um. But you know, the five-year plan will be probably start releasing my own footage, get some, get some sponsors depending on what, it doesn't really matter what they are any companies that want to work with each other, and we both, you know, benefit each other, not just you know it's one-sided and stuff like that. No, I'm not about that one-sided stuff. So I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:18:01

Five-year plan would probably be to have my own TV show, and I don't know what network that would be on outdoor channel, sportsman channel, pursuit, whether it's just to throw up them on YouTube every week. But yeah, that's been my goal since I started. This was to have my own TV show. Um, was to have it with my buddies that were we were filming with, but they are starting to grow. Apart from it, their wives are starting to, you know, get their hands tied together. So we'll see what happens yeah but, um, that's still.

Speaker 2: 1:18:29

My overall plan is to have my own tv show, get sponsors and do it for fun and, uh, be able to produce footage that people don't really get to see the behind the scenes like. I mean, people know what everyone does, they see how people work. But I do want to post as much raw footage as possible, so, like if I could do all the raw stuff that happens going into it. You like everything from a growth, whether it's from a gopro or dsr, that's recording, um, mainly all the time in deer stand.

Speaker 2: 1:18:56

I want to capture all that raw footage so I usually have all my gopros going a lot of the time in the deer stand and so it's just my dslr is the one that does all the capturing and maybe b-roll and um recreates and stuff like that. But yeah, my show, if I were to have one, would be would be based on that, producing the most raw footage I can going and traveling, and it's not stressful. You don't have to be required to shoot 150 inch deer. You show up on somewhere and you want to shoot 120 inch deer. You can shoot that 20 and 100 year.

Speaker 2: 1:19:26

You know what I mean so I love it I mean, I've kind of grown away from shooting smaller deer, especially when it comes to trophy deer um, because I've gone, gone filming for these people went to the midwest, seen the caliber of deer, so I've let some deer go in jersey that probably shouldn't have been, because I was like, oh, let me just film it, maybe he'll be here down the road and I just more was worried about capturing the moment of the deer walking by me and more worried about shooting. So, like you said before, you were more worried about shooting the animal, but I mean, as a as a cameraman, I'm more worried about capturing footage of the deer and all that stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:20:01

So shooting is, I would say, second on my list. When I'm in a deer, so capturing my footage, you make sure my cameras are at the right spot before that deer. So if I spot the deer, say 200 yards out, and I know he's going to come in to say a bait pilot, because we're a lot of bait in new jersey I'll have that primary camera set up on that bait pilot. Every other camera around me is doing all the other one makes sense, so I'm not so I'm not pressured to.

Speaker 2: 1:20:24

When that deer gets to that bait pile, I'm like, oh no, I don't know if I hit the record button, I don't know if I'm in focus, I don't know if this is going on. All I got to worry about is picking my bow up, pulling it back and launching that arrow smart.

Speaker 2: 1:20:35

No, I mean, yeah, I try to take the try to take the pressure off me and the scenarios and the deer stand as much as possible, and the more I do it, the more tips, things I learn, even by myself when I'm in a tree, so it doesn't have to be with somebody, it's like oh well, I'll remember that for next time, because it made too much noise, or this way is better than that way yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I agree with you, yeah, on that, um, and that's, that's pretty smart and you know a good concept.

Speaker 1: 1:20:59

That's the one good thing about you know, I will say with, if you are going to be, it makes it a little easier when it comes to filming, because you kind of know where they're, where they're going already, and when you're running as many cameras as you are, you know you get the opportunity to use the other cameras for for everything else. For sure, you know this. This is actually going to be the, the last one. I just want to what is your mount rushmore of hunting? Do you have a mount rushmore of hunting, or can you give me one off the top of your head? Who's in your mount rushmore? That might be easier. Who's?

Speaker 2: 1:21:34

in my mount rushmore. Yeah, as in. What like? What do you mean by mount rushmore? Like, what is like who's in my Mount Rushmore? Yeah, as in. What Like? What do you mean by Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 1: 1:21:44

Like what is like the like who do you think are like the? I guess basically the godfathers of hunting. Like who? Oh?

Speaker 2: 1:21:49

OK, ok, who is it? Yeah, who's it? Um, hmm, that's a hard one.

Speaker 2: 1:21:58

There's a couple of good people, there's a hard one. There's a couple good people, there's a lot, um, I don't know, I, I mean, I don't know, man, I would have to put, obviously um terrible ted's in. Ted nugent, he's definitely going to be in the mountain rush, for because I grew up watching him, uh, I'll probably put michael waldell um, who else? I'll give you three. Who else would be a good one? I'm trying to think back to when I was younger. Who did? I used to watch all the time. I don't know. I guess in the beginning it was the. What is it?

Speaker 1: 1:22:46

Lee and the Kiskies, the Kaskies, lee and Tiffany. What's her last?

Speaker 2: 1:22:54

name Kaskies.

Speaker 1: 1:22:56

I don't know how to say the last name. I butchered it all the time. That's why I'm like, yeah, just Lee and Tiffany. Yeah, what's their last name?

Speaker 2: 1:22:59

Kaskis, I don't know how to say the last name. I'm not gonna even. Yeah, I butchered it all the time. That's why I'm like, yeah, just Lee and Tiffany.

Speaker 1: 1:23:04

Yeah, lee and Tiffany's good enough. Yeah, yeah, they're a good one. You know, I kind of forgot about them, just cause.

Speaker 2: 1:23:10

Yeah, they kind of faded, but yeah, that was probably watched. I would say mount rushmore right now, but I mean mount rushmore. Mount rushmore would be jury at the top my list because I film for jury, I work for jury their shows. They got three different shows right now. Out there, they got critical master, the regular show, then they got 13. So like, yeah, no, if I were to pick tv show overall, it would definitely be jury yeah, no, I it's.

Speaker 1: 1:23:37

If we're talking about Tia, especially right now. I mean, the juries are up there. I'd even put man Maybe like Growing Deer TV.

Speaker 2: 1:23:48

Okay, bowhunter Dime Could be up there, I'm lacking on the news shows Now, so I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:23:58

These are like the newer um midwest white tails okay well, yeah midwest white tails.

Speaker 2: 1:24:03

Yeah, I know that and obviously you know, probably the, the hunting, the hunting public would probably be a lot of people I was gonna say the hunting public, but I feel like a lot of people talk about them and I think if you're talking about like, if we're talking about like the new gender more than newer generation of you know, like the youtubers, you know you have to give it to them like, oh yeah you know, um you, you got to give it to them.

Speaker 2: 1:24:30

Um, you know then, um there, but there's so many guys, I mean right now, you can even say with bone collector t-bone, like that was where oh, yeah, yeah, that's another one I would say, I would say him he's definitely, I would definitely say he's in the top five yeah, no, definitely I completely.

Speaker 1: 1:24:48

I turned off my monitor and I completely forgot it was set up to my light, so I got darker I've seen that but I mean c, it was absolute pleasure.

Speaker 1: 1:25:00

Congratulations on getting through your first podcast episode. You are a, you're absolutely a natural. You know we're, we're looking forward to seeing you know what you got coming up and you know all the stuff like that that you're going to be doing, and I hope you definitely can get a good sign to full-time doing this because, like I said, your work is is incredible. I love, uh, seeing what you're, what you've been posting. Um, it's finally great to to talk to you and everything like that too, as well. Um, you know, and and looking forward to it.

Speaker 1: 1:25:30

You know, anytime you want to come on or anything like that, listen, reach out, feel free to you. You know, just hit me up. You know we're always doing a whole bunch of stuff. We have, um, we're always recording. We have a, a round table segment that's gotten pretty popular. Oh my god. We have um, you know we have the game show that that we've been doing, which is pretty fun, and everything like that. So you know we're, we're always going to be doing stuff. So you ever want to get on and you know, talk, hunting and everything like that, and give your. You know we're always going to be doing stuff. So if you ever want to get on and you know talk, hunting and everything like that and give your you know your opinion and you know more stuff on you know filming and everything like that, you know definitely would love to get you back for that, but you know any any last words from you.

Speaker 2: 1:26:15

I mean, yeah, it was definitely fun being on here. I'll definitely come on again now that I got the kinks worked out and stuff like that. It's not that bad of a pressure situation, to be honest.

Speaker 1: 1:26:25

No, it's easy. You know what I will, because I've been on a couple of different podcasts and you know when. I think, when they don't have this like scripted thing where you have to get to these points, you know, I think it's just it's a lot more relaxing.

Speaker 2: 1:26:43

On the, on the uh, on the guest yeah, my, my biggest thing with podcast is like, when you do it off like right off the fly, like we are, it's I know, you're, you can, but like, for me, just as way I process things, is being able to have a response that someone is going to listen to, and it's just not being like, oh, that kid's dumb. He just answered real quick because he wanted to answer. That's my biggest worries with these podcast things and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 1:27:11

It is like I mean now, I got four years experience with this. In the beginning it just it. It was tough, like I remember. So I we had this whole plan on doing a special for new year's but I had come down. I had come down with covid and I think the rest of the guys were like sick and like everyone was. So I ended up film or recording by myself. Okay, and I will never forget.

Speaker 1: 1:27:41

I was like wow, I remember the first time I ever recorded by myself and it was, it was the first year we did this and I felt so awkward and I didn't know what to say. Well, this time I could sit here now and have a full episode by myself and I just know what the hell to say and I just like it just flows just now. But in the beginning, uh, I'll be like yeah, um, no, that sounds stupid and I'd like I'd go back and like like no, I'm not gonna keep that like. But now it's just like even the questions like it's come to a point where it's like all right, what do I think people want to to hear? You know what you know? That's why I don't like doing the scripted's like all right.

Speaker 2: 1:28:19

What do I think people?

Speaker 1: 1:28:19

want to, to hear you know what you know.

Speaker 1: 1:28:20

That's why I don't like doing the scripted, because like, all right, yeah, you know you said a bunch of stuff on just in this episode. It's like all right, like I know people are going to want me to ask these questions or they're going to want me to dive a little deeper on this topic. You know, a lot of people don't know the filming aspect or how to even get into it. And you know there's a school and you know, I know I saw the school before, but most people probably don't know that. You know most people probably don't know, like you know how many camera lenses, all these different things to to cameras, you know your camera setups that you have there, the gopros to to everything that you're doing and the lighting and everything like that kind of you know what we went through and what we talked about. Like most people, they don't know that. You know and of course, you're, you're not, you know, unless you're really passionate about it or go learn about it, you're, you're not going to to know that no, no, and there's like angles.

Speaker 2: 1:29:12

You learn, lenses. You learn just being in the field that people use, that you see them use, and and stuff like that that you wouldn't get if you weren't there, and stuff like that. But yeah, well, I was gonna say something that you said earlier. I just lost my train of thought. Give me a second. I had something I was gonna ask. Yeah, I was gonna ask something in the beginning because you said something that was actually really good and I'm like, oh, let me say something.

Speaker 1: 1:29:34

And then, uh, we got talking about that well, that happens all the time, because I was going to bring up something that you were talking about earlier, and then it was on my mind, and then you said something else, and then it completely gave me a minute, no problem, pause.

Speaker 2: 1:29:49

um, what was it about? Uh, you're ending, how you're ending how you're ending that it was something to do with filming.

Speaker 1: 1:30:07

I know that. Let's see here we said a lot of things about filming. No, no.

Speaker 2: 1:30:13

It was just here in this last two minutes, you said something that I wanted to touch upon. That you said in your sentence.

Speaker 1: 1:30:23

But you talked about so many things in that one sentence. I'm like dang, I forgot it and that's and that's. Another part of the problem is, you know, when you do this like I, I'm trying to cover so much in the little time that we have.

Speaker 2: 1:30:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, things off because, oh, what I was gonna say is uh yeah, if anyone reaches out to you and wants to touch upon and going deeper with what we've talked about, I'll come on and we can elaborate a little bit more. I mean, I'm gonna give you all my tips and secrets here. That costs a little bit of money now, but uh, but we could definitely go a little bit more depth with about my camera gear.

Speaker 2: 1:30:53

I can have my lenses out and you guys can see what I work with. I can have all five of my lenses ready behind me and stuff like that. Be a little bit more prepared. We can definitely depth a little bit more of what I do on the camera side of things and a self-filming side of things.

Speaker 1: 1:31:06

No, definitely, definitely would. I know, I would. I would love that being a you know getting into and I know there's a bunch of guys out there that are that are getting into it and stuff like that that would definitely like to learn. But you know, yet again, cody, thank you so much for coming on. Everyone, make sure you check him out. His link to his Instagram is going to be description below. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, ask him, do whatever you need to do, get to get the information out there. We're willing to help anyone out there that we can Something that Cody did say.

Speaker 1: 1:31:38

You know it's not only about out there we're, we're willing to to help anyone out there that we can um, something that cody did say. You know it's not only about um helping one person out. It's about, you know, helping everyone out and each party's growing and kind of having a benefit from that, and that's something that we love to do here at um. You know boondocks hunting and the garden stay outdoorsman podcast, as you know, is we want to benefit everyone and we want everyone to grow as outdoorsmen and you know um just be one with with each other. So that's very important to us over here. So, um, like I said, feel free. We're always here to help, um, and I hope you guys enjoy this episode and we'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 1: 1:32:20

Appreciate, it thanks for having me on.