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Speaker 2: 0:42

That's why your tagline JCL known perfect. You don't know what that man is going to do. You don't know what that man is going to do.

Speaker 1: 0:52

I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow and a cub and she charged and hit the back of the canoe.

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But his head hit the ground before his ass did.

Speaker 2: 1:04

Begging and crying to go with my grandfather, go with my father on these deer drives.

Speaker 4: 1:09

You know the last trip over I shot a great Cape Buffalo with my bow, charging through the grass and then the whooping.

Speaker 1: 1:16

And then you hear a body drop Boys. It is field notes number 14, and there is a lot to catch up on. Steve is back. It's great to see him feels like we. We have. It's been what at least over a month, I think, maybe even maybe more than that, since we we've last seen you yeah, it's been about a month.

Speaker 4: 1:38

It's great to be back, guys.

Speaker 1: 1:40

Sorry for the long hiatus, but here we are frank has continued with his absolute hot street hot streak and making us look bad because he has been the, the number one hunter and uh, the boondocks hunting crew. But you know it keeps on pouring on with the success. Um, the squash has been grinding and continues to grind and soon I we know that a bunch of deer are going to start hitting the the ground for for the squash. And um peyton, out in uh maryland, got it done in in his home state of maryland, and ethan and I headed up to pa for our first ever uh rifle hunt and we had a absolute blast. And the new guy, uh zach, got it done tonight, doubled up with the buck and a doe tonight and hopefully we'll be getting him on soon, uh to to give you guys his introduction and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 2:41

But I mean we rolled into a very successful november and the streak is continuing. It's currently what? December 2nd today and I mean, I think, I think we're, we're hot, as hot as ever, just putting deer down and um, it's been great. But um, steve, what can you share?

Speaker 4: 3:08

well I can. I can definitely say that uh was fortunate to have an absolute, absolutely amazing experience with a great group of guys out in the midwest was out there for 10 days. Uh was asked to come out and help film a deer camp, a hunt camp basically, and we spent 10 days out there at an Airbnb. Actually, a good portion of us were actually camping in tents. The weather wasn't phenomenal the first couple of days but finally that broke. By Wednesday Guys started getting on deer and just had a really absolutely incredible experience. I wish I could share more.

Speaker 4: 3:52

It's kind of top secret for the company that I was working with, but extremely blessed to have spent time with so many great guys, learned, learned a mountain. Uh just absorbed hopefully retained, but absorbed a mountain of of knowledge in a short period of time. And the cool thing about that is, as I was able to come back home the week after was a week or two after I got back, I had the good fortune to be able to get out three different days. I think it was not last week, it was the week before last, before Thanksgiving, and I had some micro hunts. I mean micro, like get in the woods at 5am and get out of the woods at like 745 to get to work and I had three days like that that saw deer every single day, had a really close encounter. I almost took one of the shooter bucks that I've had on camera in one of the pieces of public I've been hunting this year, had him pass at 40 yards, actually rattled him in. And he passed at 40 yards, grunted, he stopped, kept moving, snort, wheezed, came back about five feet but couldn't close the gap on it. But just an it, just an incredible uh experience to be able to put what I had just learned into practice playing the wind, picking out features, uh, terrain, the right tree um, would have been the right tree. I honestly the width, the place where this buck moved. I was not expecting him whatsoever to move right out in the open. I was at where he should have walked through. In fact, when I set up in the dark and when I got down there was a fresh grape right, literally right under the tree that I was in, about two feet away. So I think that's it was.

Speaker 4: 5:47

The biggest takeaway at this point has been being able to quickly put those things that I learned and absorbed into practice right away and to be able to see uh reaping the dividends of that and hopefully it's going to pay off if I'm able to get some more time to get in the woods in the coming weeks. It's going to be more difficult now, not as much activity. We're also have the orange army coming out next week, so that's going to upset, upset the entire apple cart, especially for down in our areas. Our public gets decimated. So you know there are a few areas that are sanctuaries that the safety zone is not adequate for uh driving deer and for using shotguns. So I'll probably be relying on those areas and moving into those as I do historically. So, um, yeah, that's that's kind of been. I haven't had a ton of time to get in the woods in jersey this year, but but it's okay, cause that Midwest trip definitely made up for it and it's great to be back.

Speaker 1: 6:49

Yeah, no, it's yeah, the orange army is almost here, so but it is. You know that. That's that one thing that with us here. You know we all have spots where it's like all right, we know that the orange army hopefully legally cannot get into uh, get into some of these areas and everything like that, and that's what we're gonna have to to rely on.

Speaker 1: 7:13

But I mean the fact that you're able to come back and you know you you're right where you left off and you know you had some great encounters and you know we're able to to get right into the saddle again and, you know, have a couple of great hunts back to back. I know the weather the upcoming weather for December is just phenomenal. So we hope you're able to get out All of us are able to get out and and things like that. But you know it is great to have you back and you know um can't wait till in a year where you can fully release. You know the details and and everything like that. We're we're very excited um to for, for all that and everything like that.

Speaker 4: 7:56

But, um, yeah, it's cool, like even even coming back now just scout even my scouting approach to different things is different Was able to get on some fresh sign even just in this past week, some really, really killer bucks that I've had on camera.

Speaker 1: 8:19

And obviously and a question is one of them, hobs, Do you think you know?

Speaker 4: 8:24

that's a great question. I don't know in fact I'm even questioning the, the deer that I had sent you guys back in August. I I'm not really sure that that's Hobbs and I don't know that that deer is alive and I haven't seen him out of velvet. So it's really hard to tell. One of the bucks that I sent you guys I think there's a possibility that might be Hobbs and I actually he was actually came through one of the areas I was that I'm hunting right now. He came through Saturday morning and about an hour and 20 minutes before I was going into the woods.

Speaker 4: 9:00

That was the one hunt that didn't go so well. I barely broke the woods and you know the the woods line and uh, I was taking a chance going in because my wind wasn't great, but it's literally my only access point and um, and I got blown right away. So I just turned around, went back home and and it was probably a good thing, because this is a really busy week for my wife, for her, her business, and it was better for me to be home anyway. So, but, um, but yeah, there's a strong possibility earning those points.

Speaker 4: 9:33

Uh, you know, gotta keep her happy hey, whatever gets me more time in the woods, I'll do whatever it takes.

Speaker 1: 9:39

So it's all good um, you know, know, and then we're gonna before we get to Frank, because you know the deer killer of the group this year, I'll tell my story because it's not nearly as exciting as Frank's and because I honestly have lost track of how many deer Frank has killed since we last recorded last week, and it's only been a week. I remember the season he goes to, he goes, yeah, you know, not a bad day. You know, saw some deer, he goes. Yeah, I saw 11 does and I was like that's a, that's a great hunt, like that's man I wish I saw last time I saw 11 does was in the summer.

Speaker 1: 10:23

All in one place if he really wanted to, he could uh crept out. What took a shot with the with the. Well, can you take does right now with the, with the muzzleloaders or bucks only?

Speaker 3: 10:34

yeah, yeah, no, no, you could shoot those if you want. Okay, but uh, I was like yeah oh, you're, you're full.

Speaker 1: 10:41

I mean your, your freezer's full. So I mean I, I completely get why you are. You've taken what three bucks, three bucks, three does. You're not going to get any points with the muzzleloader for our competition.

Speaker 4: 10:55

You might as well just wait, so was that fall. So fall bow, permit, bow and muzzleloader.

Speaker 3: 11:03

No, so I shot. Well, actually I hit that 10 pointer during the fall bow I didn't get. But then I went to new york state for their opener. I shot, uh, I shot my buck up there and then, um, I shot another buck up there during the uh, the rifle season, and then, permit bow, I shot another one in jersey oh, that's awesome so guys been on a rampage just been getting lucky man, that's all no, you're putting the time in it's putting the time

Speaker 1: 11:38

you know, all of us have had a very good success, I think. Um, I just counted, recounted. I think we're at now with zach. I think that's good. I don't know if zach killed any. I think he killed some does, and in the beginning year, but I haven't gotten that, that number yet. But I think we're at like I think, 19 or 20. I think ethan and frank both have five, so that's 10 right there. Um, yeah, I uh peyton has four, so we're at 14, then you two are 16, then I have two 17, 18, so so 20, 20. Deer down, one mule, deer doe, one elk, one bear and so far that that's what we got so far with the season. So you know, I would say all the guys have been. You know the work that we have all put in and the time and effort is has really been paying off and we still got to the end of February, basically to well for us to here in jersey. We have done in february.

Speaker 1: 12:45

I know squatches season, you know, ends a little bit for us, but still plenty of time. Squatch, like I said last episode's going to be getting out for for the predator hunt, some ice fishing and things like that. So like, still plenty of time. And for me, waterfowl is coming. You know we're about to start the wild waterfowl grind and everything like that. So plenty more to meet, to be put into the freezer, upcoming.

Speaker 1: 13:06

But, um, guys, I'll tell you, pa rifle, it was a blast. It was a blast, you know. We hope that you guys can make it next year. I know we already got the uh, the yes from from frank. But, um, I'll tell you, ethan and I, early start, early start to our day. Ethan, I think, got up at like 2 am and drove to me, got here at 3 30 we headed up to, uh, to pa, 16 degrees snow on the ground, freezing, right. But man, we, we've no e-scouting before, like we, we just kind of looked at, like, all right, this is where we're going. Um, ethan will kind of fill everyone in, you know, next time he's on more of the details and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 13:53

But so we waited for just the right light so we could start walking in, because we didn't just want to start walking blindly or anything like that. Uh, with the snow on the ground, we wanted to find tracks and man, we were everywhere. We looked the tracks, tracks, runs, we, we found bed. We, like we were in the perv as already from where our hunt started we were successful off the jump, like with just going into a brand new area no knowledge, not even e-scouting, nothing. The amount of sign I think that we saw was probably almost out-competed everything that we've seen this year throughout our season here in Jersey and Delaware and everything like that. So we were extremely happy on what we did and we covered just under six miles. Boots on the ground, just getting after and everywhere we went was really deer sign. You know we.

Speaker 1: 14:59

And where we got, where it got crazy. We got to a point where we got to clearing and you know there's. You could tell like, all right, this looks like a good spot. But we stopped real quick and I had to call bianca because I wasn't sure if this girl woke up to go to work. So I was like, oh, let me, let me give bianca a ring real quick. I called her.

Speaker 1: 15:19

I'm like, hey, you know, did I'm making sure. We're like, all right, we're gonna. Looks like there's a cutout right there. So we're gonna, you know, I'm making sure we're like, all right, we're going to. Looks like there's a cutout right there. So we're going to, you know, start going over there and we take two steps and a big buck just jumps up from his bed. I was like, oh, I got to go, bianca, I got to go. She hangs up the phone, right. The deer doesn't, just gets up, walks a little bit and stops. I lift up the 30 odd six, but the sun is blaring right in my freaking so I can't see, like oh, I can't see. I can't see. We think he's at 100. Ethan raises his gun, boom me of course, like oh, I think you hit it. The deer did not move at all, it did not move so he sends a number boom.

Speaker 1: 16:05

Next thing, you know, he, he starts running. All of a sudden, a bunch of does just get up and they just start running too. There's deer just running all in the back and everything like that. I'm like all right, all right, this is what we're gonna do. You're gonna go check, make sure you know you didn't. You didn't hit him, you know. See if there's blood. I'm gonna go to where I think I saw him run.

Speaker 1: 16:24

No, we're getting over there and I think I hear him run up the ridge and I was like, all right, deer don't usually run up there, you know, run up when they get hit or something like that. So I, we really didn't think we hit him. We turns out it was like 150, 160 yard shot. So we definitely completely missed, you know. And I mean that right there and yet again, that was just another win right there we were fired up. We're, we're laughing like man, this is, it's so much fun. I mean we're having a blast and everything like that. I mean it's freezing my beard, because every time I'd breathe it would just freeze.

Speaker 2: 17:01

Yeah so, like you, just like have some videos of me and it's literally like.

Speaker 1: 17:04

It looks like my. I have gray hair. Kind of looks like what we'll look. Look at Frank right now.

Speaker 1: 17:09

Everything was everything was frozen and everything like that, a phenomenal hunt. I couldn't have. Besides, you know, couldn't have asked for a picture perfect hunt to go well, where the only thing we, you know would have made it better if we would have killed something, you know. And but besides that, I mean we talked to, like everyone we talked to I mean one person shot one doe that day and everyone else nothing. But we were also what we realized no one else did what we did. No one else was going far. You know, everyone was pretty close when we came back, like we were bumping into people, but that was close to the road. We ran into a ground, blind, that was maybe I don't know 150, 200 and something yards off the road and we were far, far in. So like that gave us we learned a lot of knowledge from this hunt and we're like, okay, man, this is something that one we can keep doing through the, through the upcoming seasons and get out and everything like that. And then also, why not bow hunt it? Like we highly doubt that people and everyone knows pa like yeah, they bow hunt, but like the orange army there is a whole different animal, you know so and I we don't think people are getting would be going back as far as, as far as we would, you know. So there is a lot of potential in this area and what we probably only hit one percent, not even, not even one percent of the land.

Speaker 1: 18:41

I mean, you know, everyone knows PA is huge. You know the big woods are are. It's a completely different ballgame. So the tracks that we were finding, I mean there's got to be some absolute giants. We found turkey tracks. The cool thing about PA is what we didn't know is we have turkey tags. Now you know it came with our tag. We have fall and spring, so we might as well just head up there and do some spring, spring turkey hunting. Uh, we found some bear tracks that were just like you know, gotta be big bears over there and everything like that. So, like it was, it was a blast. I mean, besides waking up at three o'clock in the morning, everything else was.

Speaker 1: 19:23

It was great, we had, we had a lot of fun and definitely it's, it's going to be something that we bow hunt and then also continue to rifle hunt in the future, because I mean, it's a different style and you know it's something cool and you know, say if all our whole crew goes out and everything like that. It's just like we were walking. We were told we, we, there was no pressure on us, we weren't like. You know, we all know how it is bow hunting and that's what I always say about. That's why I want to do six day. We have so much pressure on us to to bow hunt but it is such a super serious thing where it's like you're diving into beddings. We're constantly moving around. We're running cameras all the time. Like you know, to me, yeah, we're having fun, but I'm not laughing, smiling and google gagaing while I'm going into a hunt. This over here, we're like you know, we're just having conversations, walking, talking, hunting.

Speaker 1: 20:19

You know it was, um, it's like duck, hunting like duck hunting like duck hunting, except for you know, you know your gun can probably reach two miles out, if you really want to.

Speaker 1: 20:43

It's not anywhere close to the same, you know. But boys, I mean, yeah, I and we might go back up. Ethan was like, hey, if we have time and we get a date, let's go back up, and why not go do it, you know? And so it's something that we're definitely looking forward to. And you know, I texted Frank immediately on the side. He goes yeah, I haven't had a piano in a while. And I was like, okay, I look at Ethan, I go, we already got one guy that's in. I was like, okay, yeah, I, I, I, Ethan, I go, we already got one guy that's in. I go, you know, the rest will probably, you know still there squatch I'm here, yeah, I'm here too okay, so it's just mike.

Speaker 4: 21:35

It's just mike, all right, because you, I was waiting for somebody to move.

Speaker 3: 21:38

I'm looking my bad voice too frank yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1: 21:42

The wi-fi for some reason just went for on my laptop, just literally went away and I was like whoa, that's never happened, like it was actually searching, but it was fine on my phone, so I don't know what the hell happened there. Um, so I don't, I don't know what was picked up or anything like that, so let's just hope. Uh, let's just hope it was picked out because, yeah, the wi-fi just literally took a crap on me, so I don't know what you guys heard last or what it was even recorded. But, um, yeah, just great, great hunt. Um, definitely looking forward to it. And you know, at the lodge I sent you guys the picture. I mean, yeah, there were some studs killed in PA yesterday.

Speaker 1: 22:23

Yeah, there was so definitely. Man. Don't we just love hunting Like I'm so happy that this is what we do? I couldn't imagine doing anything else.

Speaker 4: 22:38

Yeah, no it's incredible too, and I've been following some of my buddies who is actually one guy that I work with, who he's from pa and he rifle hunts uh, two guys actually that rifle hunt. And then I got a buddy down in virginia that rifle hunts and I'm you know they're sending me photos. There's just something that seems really badass about walking the ridges in the mountains with a rifle, you know, going after deer, which is seems for lack of a better, better term seems really sexy compared to walking flat land, you know, with a shotgun in in in Jersey. Um, definitely seems more appealing.

Speaker 4: 23:18

So I definitely consider it and I think I told myself last year when I was at the great American outdoor show, I walked by CVA's booth and was checking out all their different models and muzzleloaders and I was like man, like that's really cool, Like if I was going to get into like rifle hunting or whatever obviously muzzleloaders are closest thing we have in Jersey and I was like, yeah, I think maybe next year, Cause the prices were really good too, Like the sales that they have during the great American outdoor show, and I was like, yeah, I think, I think I might have to get a muzzleloader next year and get it and give this a crack, so be pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 23:59

I was thinking about doing the Flintlock muzzleloader, getting into that because I have a CVA. I've had that for a bunch of years now and not taken away from anything that anybody does, because I do it too. I use a modern day muzzleloader that uses a 209 breech plug primer like a shotgun and besides the fact that you get one shot at a time with it, that's fine, it's a muzzleloader, you're loading down the barrel. But I've killed a lot of deer with the muzzleloader to prim the. You know the modern day muzzleloader. But I was watching some stuff. There was a guy on one of the hunting channels and he was doing flintlock and I was like damn, that's kind of like when I took out the recurve and I killed my buck with the recurve. Maybe I should, maybe I should get a flintlock and start trying to kill deer with a flintlock.

Speaker 1: 24:52

That'd be pretty cool so do you guys have what? Do you guys have a specific? I mean because I know pa has like a they do, they do, we don't.

Speaker 2: 25:00

We don't I mean muzzleloader just justifies using something that you load down the barrel for our season okay, so it's.

Speaker 1: 25:06

It would still be like you'd still yeah pa has what they call their primitive.

Speaker 2: 25:11

They call it primitive season, so they're using, they have to use a flintlock. Later on I think I've seen not a hunting public guys doing it too one time. But this fellow was out west he was going after, uh, mule deer and he went after, I think, elk and stuff too with it. But man, I'll tell you what guy was on a 10-day hunt with a flintlock going after mule deer and it was like he came down to the wire. I mean he got one, it was a spike but a flintlock and he made like about a hundred and probably 10 yard shot with it. Wow, and that's, that's incredible. That's pretty damn impressive iron sights. You know, I, I don't know, I, I think I don't know.

Speaker 2: 25:55

I kind of like always like that challenge of just doing something else. And uh, some of the guys with the other podcast, dave there, that I'm on, he's a, he's a avid shooter with the bow, and we were talking, cause I still have my super mag 48, that uh, I put them up to a challenge. This year I'm going to take a Turkey with the recurve. So and I said I challenge you cause I know you got a recurve too, and he said, okay, I'm down. And I said well, we better get our butts out there and start practicing, because May's going to be here before you know it and I can shoot the recurve fairly decent. I just have to practice with it. You know, it's like everything else, but I would love to take. I have a good-sized blind that I can use. I can't wait. I want to try to get one with the recurve this year.

Speaker 4: 26:44

I was going to say in a blind situation, whether it's a compound or a recurve, you, you know, the advantage is yours, obviously, running and gunning with a, with a bow, and then even a recurve, forget it. I mean I shouldn't say forget it, I know there's guys that do it, but that's really that's crazy too, talking about the flintlock, because you're talking about carrying around what maybe eight and a half, nine pound, you know like a flintlock rifle.

Speaker 3: 27:05

It's not light. It's not light, hopefully not light.

Speaker 2: 27:10

But I don't know. It's just, I mean to each is their own. It's just like I looked at the compound bow and I killed, you know the big guy over there with the compound bow in 2001. And I was like, nah, I, I gotta do the recurve thing. So I went out and I shot a good buck with the recurve and then hunted with it for another couple years and then I don't know, I'm just like crazy. I just switch around stuff. I get bored. But when I saw that flintlock I was like I'm going to spark something. Man, maybe I'm gonna, maybe I'll try to look into that. They're not cheap either, man. They're like six, seven hundred bucks for, for a decent one, you know. So it's like, yeah, it's an investment, but they got ones that you can like, finish on your own, you know, sand down stain on the kit, like a kit, yeah, so I was like yeah, maybe, maybe I'll go that route.

Speaker 2: 28:01

that'd be, that'd be pretty cool, like, and then can say you know, at least I killed something when I made yeah.

Speaker 4: 28:07

Sounds like a great off-season project.

Speaker 2: 28:10

Food for thought man.

Speaker 1: 28:13

Oh well, looks like we're going to be expecting something out of Squatch next year, which I think is. You know, it's the same with a lot of us. I I mean, I imagine most of us are probably going to pick up a recurve at at some point as as well. You know, I know that's on the on the bucket list and everything like that. Um, you know to to get there. Um, you know, and I think that's something like for you.

Speaker 1: 28:39

You, like you said you've done it so many times with the, with the modern day muzzleloader, like, yeah, what's the next step for me to challenge myself as a hunter? Um, you know, and, and that would be it could you imagine real quick you're you're talking about old style. Can you imagine really shooting, going back in the day and how they did it with the old muskets but that had the circular balls that had like no accuracy whatsoever, like killed stuff with that. Or, even better, like you look at some of the primitive bows and stuff like that, where how they would make their their, their broad heads and everything their their arrow heads, uh, out of that ride. But it's so cool, like, and it's a no matter what.

Speaker 1: 29:27

I I see where technology has gone, but that is just the definition of any way necessary. You, we can get it done. You know, almost any weapon that we have out there, whether it's modern or just old or whatever the case is, is lethal. And you know, just like those days. You know I've talked on, I think, a podcast before, not on ours but I think on somebody else's. You know, I've never been someone I don't look down on any way, like if you bait, if you use dogs or whatever, because you know, at the end of the day, if you want to really get down to the nitty gritty, they literally chase Buffalo till they ran off the cliff. You know that is a big part of history and you know that wouldn't be ethical nowadays. But listen when, when you're trying to get your food and stuff like that, like yeah, yeah yeah yeah, oh sorry, you know it shouldn't matter can you see that?

Speaker 2: 30:26

that's, that's yeah. Yeah, that was the buck with the recurve. And then where I'm pointing is the perfect shot. I hit him at 20 yards with the recurve.

Speaker 4: 30:34

That's great.

Speaker 2: 30:35

There you go it was so let me tell you something, not to interrupt your story. But when you do that and you've got no sights and you're just a stick and a string and that, that, that deer saw me. I wasn't even in a high stand, he was looking at me when I released the arrow and he went 75 yards, man, and I'm like I just killed the deer, like my Indian blood did years ago.

Speaker 4: 31:00

And I'm like I can't believe.

Speaker 2: 31:01

I just did that and I'm telling you guys. I mean, it's tough, it's not easy. You got to get them close. You know you got to get a good shot, but if you get the opportunity and you practice and you feel efficient with it, do it for yourself.

Speaker 4: 31:15

It's really, it's really cool every time we move forward into another and another facet of hunting, yeah, and you get more intimate with the animal. There's a, there's a very climatic, emotional moment every time you up the ante more. I mean it's, it's an incredible feeling and it it's something that I don't think the general public, the unexperienced general public, can identify with. Like, there are very few experiences. We talk about this all the time, but there's very few experiences that you can even put in the same arena as hunting and having that kind of experience. It's also interesting. So on the trip that I was on, I actually met joshua moreland. I don't know if that name's familiar or not, but he's one of two people, I believe, in arkansas right now that has taken a buck with a spear a handmade I was literally about to bring that up, okay I met him.

Speaker 4: 32:18

He was he was on this trip, he was one of the guys that was out there. Incredible guy, really, really amazing. But I mean you want to talk about you want to talk about taking it primitive. I mean here's a guy in a tree with a, with a hand handmade welded spear. Yeah, you know killing deer with that. Uh, I think arkansas is one of two or three states where it's legal to do so. But I mean, yeah, how far do you want to take it? You know it's funny. On the group text earlier we were talking about talking about rob.

Speaker 2: 32:50

You know you said squash, gotta stop using your hands to kill these deer well, that's definitely well busted up and if you've seen the size of rob, it looked like he made like a manled that deer, oh yeah it's, it's phenomenal.

Speaker 1: 33:07

You know, I literally today I watched, I was going to bring it up, you know the spear where the guy literally and it could have been him, I'm not sure who, who it was, I wasn't really paying attention to that, but like the deer was just right under and you know, you gotta do your, you know, make sure it's going to be on and then you drop it. I mean, a deer went nowhere, literally nowhere, just did you see the one with the hogs?

Speaker 2: 33:29

when he does the one with the, hog.

Speaker 1: 33:30

Yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 2: 33:31

I've seen the hog ones um, and then the alligator he does an alligator too.

Speaker 1: 33:35

I saw that one too, which was that was ridiculous as well. But like, listen, I mean, oh man, I think that's the cool thing about hunting is, and it's just how we're going to just challenge ourselves as well. And you know, having I think the cool thing and it's something I've been into, is just Ethan and I were talking about it is like we've just gotten so comfortable as humans. You know we're so civilized, we're so civilized and we lose that you know we're not supposed to be. If you really look at it, and just how we're built. We're supposed to be living outside, sleeping outside. We're supposed to be walking barefoot, we're supposed to be navigating without you know to just do all these things.

Speaker 1: 34:24

Where I think hunting like the more primitive you go like, just the better you are for yourself too, where you're really like set yourself in the nature and you're more, I think, at one with nature as well. Because, listen, at the end of the day, I don't care what weapon you're using, you don't want animals to suffer. So I think you know the more primitive you go, the more like precise your, your hunting style must be. You know you talk about a spear now you're, you're really going like all right, I really can't mess this up, like you know, especially on like a hog or an alley, or especially an alligator, like you need to make this drop of of the spear be absolutely lethal, you know. So I think it challenges us not only just to be a better hunter, but just to be like a more at one with ourselves in nature. Um, you know it's, we could go down this rabbit hole, all of us, and you know, I think every hunter basically out there could, could definitely go down this, and I think you know everyone would agree. Like I think I'd much rather be at camp all day, every day, living outside and farming and hiking and hunting and fishing, than sitting here, watching tv, going to work.

Speaker 1: 35:48

Like you know, I want that type of lifestyle, you know, I think a lot of us all all do, and it's it's something that I think is missing, and just not only just our country, but I think just in in humanity itself as well. You know, obviously there are countries that you know like I could talk about, like africa or something like that. Like I've seen videos like listen, this is what they do. Like I watched literally just a guy, just whatever they caught and just ripped it up with his mouth and listen, you got. That's, that's survival of the fittest. Like there is no, oh my god, that's brutal, nasty, like. How could you do that? Like it's it's either you eat or you you don't. You starve and you die, and you know there is something magical about that at the same time as well.

Speaker 4: 36:35

We're disconnected. That's why we're disconnected with that, with the very basic act of taking a life to preserve our own. We're very disconnected with that as a society and you know it's to our detriment. And I don't want to sound ungrateful at the risk of sounding ungrateful here. You know we go to work every day, we have jobs that we've, we trade our skills for the money to take in animals, products that we eat. You know that we would otherwise procure by ourself. And it's strange when you get to a point I'll just speak for myself it's strange when I've gotten to a point where I think that my time, even though I'm a specialized each one of us specialized in our own trade, in our own skill, my time as a hunter in the field, procuring meat for my family, I feel like that is more valuable than the time that I'm spending at my job. And I feel like again the risk of sounding ungrateful I feel like I have so much wasted time.

Speaker 2: 37:37

I agree, and that's a hard thing to say, you know.

Speaker 1: 37:42

Yep I agree, yep and that's a hard thing to say. You know, yep, I agree. Yeah, you know it's. Yeah, it's just one of those things. But I agree with you where, yeah, it's not us being ungrateful, but yeah, like I'm sorry, but I think it takes a lot more for for us to to go out there and get the food or fish or or farm you know farm and stuff like that where, where you're going to provide for your family then because, listen, at the end of the day, if everything goes to shit, what are you going to? Really? That money is not, that's not going to be important. You know, your job is.

Speaker 1: 38:14

You know, and you never know what's going to happen. I mean, look at what goes on in other countries and stuff like that. You know. You look at history and you just never know what what's going to go on. We can't predict what's going to happen, but one thing's for sure like if things do go wrong, not only do we have the capabilities of protecting our family, but just providing for for our family or on our loved ones and things like that, it's, you know it's it's definitely lost. I mean, look at trapping, look, you know, the fur trade and everything like. Look at, look where that went. That used to be one of the most important things back back back in the in the time. That's how people really, you know, survive was trapping, hunting and things like that. People forget that's what that's human basic instincts. That's that's one of the things that we are created to do and how we survive, you know.

Speaker 1: 39:08

And people are just so lost in that of just going to the grocery store and you know, I tell people that I go. Well, why do you? Because I started fasting. I do like 12 to 16 to 22 to 24 hour fast, fast, almost try to do it almost every day. Two to 24 hour fast, fast, almost try to do it almost every day.

Speaker 1: 39:29

Um, and you know, people, I'm like we're not meant to be eating every single day three, three plus meals a day, like, if you really look at it, we're not. You know we're. We're wasting so much, we have so much stored in us. It's actually, if you look at it, it's not good. And all the scientific stuff that's coming out about how good fasting actually is. Because you know what, back in the day, our ancestors, they would starve until they they killed something, you know, and it's our human body is made to survive, it is made to go periods of time with without eating, and then all are stored up. That's where it's supposed to get used. Just like you know, I watched a video on a bear was um hibernation. That's why it stores up all that food. So then, boom, it can go through through hibernation and everything like that and be its full, full potential.

Speaker 4: 40:20

So you know not to go down the rabbit hole which we're going now the industrial food complex has done a great job producing propaganda to change the american psyche, move us towards, uh, what they want us to do.

Speaker 1: 40:36

You we all saw what, um, what peyton put in the chat about uh pita, it's isn, isn't it? It's a, it's a, it's a on the FBI or whatever database, as being a like a it's an extremist organization organization, which is how many people actually know that out there, Like that's what they're actually classified as as under, and you just don't get put on that list because you do stuff that's innocent. Let's be honest.

Speaker 4: 41:01

I think I think anyone that has ever promoted any violent tendencies, and I guess violence could be as simple as you know, putting pain on fur or something. I think they could make it onto that list. I mean, I don't personally know what it takes, but I think there's probably more people in there than people realize.

Speaker 1: 41:21

Probably, probably. You know people realize probably, probably you know um, but you know, I, I, I don't disagree when it comes to um. I don't think we should be using animals as testing and and there's certain things that I especially like listen, I'm a huge animal lover.

Speaker 1: 41:39

I like that makes me sick right there, you know. So I, I'm full on board for you know, for things like that. But to take away our rights, or just anyone's rights, where, where you don't believe in, like we're not doing anything, cruel, you know, I think it's more of a shame to for zoos and stuff Like I, I do believe in, listen, I'm okay with the zoo and everything, as long as the animals are treated right and, you know, are done correctly, like I, I, that's how much I just I just love it. I wish I could have my own damn zoo. That's how much I love. I love animals and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 42:14

So, um, but, frankie, yes, sir, the hot hand right there, yeah, definitely uh like, like I said, I I feel like I feel like I'm more lucky than good at times because you know most of it, I think has to do with this one particular piece of property. Mike and steve know, or, um, mike Squatch know what I'm talking about. So you know my one buddy's property that he let me hunt this year. It's actually amazing, man. I mean there's a lot of deer on it. It's not pressured. That's why I've been focusing most of my time on it, like I still got some cameras on the refuge and some of my spots and stuff, but I mean it's, my camera's really been dead over there, so I've been just kind of focused on this one spot. And man, it's that farm's incredible man, you know. So you know'll guess I'll dive right into it. So I, I, um, I went out on real, real quick.

Speaker 1: 43:31

So, okay, I can't like, I like I legit cannot remember the last time we talked, I think you had killed a buck, correct?

Speaker 3: 43:40

in in new york.

Speaker 1: 43:41

Yeah, with the rifle, okay, yeah so then, since then, you killed a doe and a I killed a doe. Yeah, okay, so I wasn't sure if the doe was. Was the last episode, or so? You've killed two, two deer okay two deer.

Speaker 3: 43:57

I was like it's hard to keep up right now yeah, yeah, even listen, I'm losing track. I almost forgot about the dough, even though we were just talking about it earlier.

Speaker 3: 44:06

What a problem to have, but yeah yeah so, um, yeah, so I guess I'll start with the dough real quick. So, um, I went out. Actually, when I got back home from New York, I decided to go out and I kind of knew that I was going to. If I saw a nice size doe, I was going to take it. So I went to, you know, pretty much one of my honey hole spots over there. I always see tons of does climbed up in the tree. I mean I saw tons of deer, tons of them climbed up in the tree. I mean I saw tons of deer, tons of them and for some reason, like I went in there with the mindset shoot one, and I, just, I, just I didn't do it. It was like group after group after group and I didn't do it. And then all of a sudden it was like around, I think it was around like 8 30, I had one, one nice size doe. She walked right under me, provided me you know the shot and it was.

Speaker 3: 45:09

But this particular day was so freaking windy, in the saddle, and actually I think I was telling I was telling squatch, yeah, as many times as I practiced during the, during the off season, like getting ready to hunt out of a saddle I wasn't prepared for. When it's that windy and everything's moving and I come to full draw, she was only like I can't remember I think she was only like Maybe 16 yards at the time and I was swaying so much that I almost Didn't even take the shot. If she wasn't standing broadside like I wouldn't have shot her. And I decided to take the shot and I ended up hitting her. I caught Actually I caught part of her lung, but the arrow must have deflected or something, because it came out her gut. But the arrow must have deflected or something because it came out her gut. And I watched her run off and she basically went about 40 yards and stopped and then I watched her lay down and then I think I was on the phone with squash, told him I shot you, I shot one, and I was kind of running the scenario through through him and she's like, all of a sudden, as I'm talking to him, she gets up and she goes like another 10 yards and I'm trying to see where the shot was because I wanted to be sure. And boom she. She lays down again. I'm like, ok, like maybe this is going to be it. Then I'm thinking how long am I actually going to be up here Because the way where she decided to lay down she's looking right at me. So if I wanted to get off the tree, like I couldn't, so I'm sitting there, I'm waiting and waiting. I'm like all right, like another I think. Half hour goes by, 40 minutes. She stands up, she walks another five feet and beds down again and I was like all right, like it's going to be a while. I'm just going to leave my stuff up here. Let's see how, how quick, like, how good I really am. Let me let me just kind of sneak down, got all my stuff, I snuck all the way down. I could see her through my binoculars. She's looking right at me and I just slowly back out. I think I gave her until.

Speaker 3: 47:37

I think I went in there like four o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, and she must have, and it. It literally wasn't long before like that like she expired because she was still like really warm. So I was telling the guys that I made the right call on that one, so, but that that that was a crazy story. But um, now I'll fast forward to the Buckeye shot. So now we get to Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3: 48:08

I went out in the morning and it was. It was same thing. I had a little action, but nothing crazy. So, you know, at home I had a good Thanksgiving with the family. I'm like, all right, like we got to get home because I'm planning on going out tomorrow morning, go out there and as soon as I get up, around 430, get in the woods. You know I drive there. I'm there by, like walking in, like before 5 o'clock, getting my tree. All of a sudden, as soon as it gets light, I have like probably six to eight of those just snorting at me. They came from behind me, my wind's right in their face, and they, like I wasn't I didn't think that they were going to come from that side, obviously and they're just snorting and snorting. I'm like, oh, I'm like, well, I'm already up here, so I here, so I'm just gonna wait it out, you know, and see what else comes.

Speaker 3: 49:10

So they take off and then I see like a small, like a smaller six point. He's walking. He's actually walking away from me, he's about 80 yards out. He's walking back to like this um, there's actually like a little swamp and there's like a horse farm over there, he. So he's walking back that way. So as I'm watching him. I look and I see I see another deer coming and I see a doe. She walks out and then I see a spike. They walk by me. No, no problem.

Speaker 3: 49:43

Then, all of a all of a sudden, I see one of our nice eight-pointers I haven't seen in probably three and a half weeks, only got like one picture of him. He steps out, he's 50 yards and he comes out and I thought he was facing me so I thought he was going to come right for me. What does he do? He turns and I'm. He was facing me so I thought he was going to come right for me. What does he do? He turns and I'm grunting at him, I'm snort, wheezing at him. Nothing. And Squatch is like you know, he's like you got your rattling horns, you know do like a light rattle. I'm like, well, I don't have them, they're in the truck. I was like so I guess I'm going. I guess I'm like I'm just, I guess I'm just gonna leave them squats, like you know, live to fight another day.

Speaker 3: 50:38

So I, so I get out of the woods about 1030, go home, get a quick bite to eat. Believe it or not, I took like a half hour nap. I get up, because I knew that the snow, that there was going to be like a little snow in the forecast. I get in there and I think I got up about like 130. I was in the tree by two, like 130. I was in the tree by two ever actually.

Speaker 3: 51:09

I actually moved my setup to where I saw that eight pointer go, because that's where I've been seeing, you know, most of the buck movement. So I picked a different tree, got set up. It's I'm not even in the tree five, ten minutes. Here come two, two yearlings and I'm like, okay, this is here we go, this is gonna be nice. So, uh, they were there for probably about 10-15 minutes, they leave and then nothing.

Speaker 3: 51:36

Then all of a sudden it starts snowing and all of a sudden I hear now, right in front of me, there's like there's like this little hilltop that it drops down into a swamp and there's actually like a horse farm on the top of it and right across the ridge I see a doe come. She's I mean she's hauling ass. She's running right across that ridge and I just see, I could just hear him coming and I was like I guarantee that's a buck chasing her. And here he comes. You know this beautiful eight point. He comes out, he's chasing her, she goes into the swamp. She's coming right for me, just like I planned, and all of a sudden she actually veers off and stayed in the swamp, which I thought he was going to follow her, but he ends up coming right to me. He's about, I think, like 18 or 19 yards, but he's on my weak side, right. So I guess I didn't practice enough, my weak side, because he. I mean thank God he stayed there Because it felt like freaking 10 minutes.

Speaker 3: 52:48

I'm sitting there trying to figure out. I'm moving my bow over, I'm getting the camera, I'm trying to like zoom in and I'm like how the hell am I going to pull this off? So I'm like I'm trying to get situated. I finally come to full draw. As I'm coming to full draw, I actually bump my camera. It makes a noise. He never even looks up Nothing. The full draw.

Speaker 1: 53:11

I actually bumped my camera. It makes a noise. He never even looks up nothing. His head's down the whole time in the uh in the video and I was like how the hell is this deer is just not paying attention at all he never moved.

Speaker 3: 53:22

Thank god he never moved. So, yeah, he just, he never moved. So I was like all right. So I just, you know, I put it, I put it dead on him and I I just let it fly with, you know, those several hybrids. And I could tell the shot was great because he went as soon as I hit him. He went maybe 20 yards and I could see his back legs already starting to give out and he must must. He went another 20, 25 yards and I could watch him drop from the tree. That's the greatest feeling I was like in the snow. I finally got it done. You know, like I'm over there celebrating. I'm calling Squatch, I'm calling Mike, I'm texting you guys. I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe it. You know, I can't believe it actually happened. It was a good day, man, it was crazy Friday.

Speaker 1: 54:12

Thursday it was Thanksgiving with Bianca's family down the shore. Then I drove home to do Thanksgiving on Friday with mine. It was right before everyone got there. I think it was me, my mom, my sister. All of a sudden I stepped away from my phone but on my watch call frank. I go oh, this is an important call, hold on answer. I go you killed something, didn't you? Yeah, why did you kill squads too? I?

Speaker 2: 54:42

said the same thing to him what'd you kill?

Speaker 1: 54:47

at this point, when frank calls you, you kind of just know that like all right, something's dead. Um, but, frank, quick question, because I've noticed, like you know, I have all, the, all the videos that you've sent over. Do you run lighted knocks? You do, don't you? I do, yep, I can never see your. You can't see them, which which I I can't believe because, like me, I use I mean, I was using nocturnals and now I'm using just a, a honestly off brand, one off of amazon, that have been absolutely amazing for me. Uh, why spend all that damn money on nocturnals where I can get? You know, I think we're talking about this in the group with uh steve and everything like that earlier in the year. You know, I've always been able to see my, my arrow in in a video and for some reason, with yours I can.

Speaker 3: 55:38

Just, I can never see him and it's funny you say that because remember, when I shot that 10 pointer you could see the lighted knock right. Yes, on that one you're actually they're.

Speaker 3: 55:49

Actually I ran two lighted knocks so I was running the warheads right, so me shooting them, they got smacked up, they got banged up. That he was. He was out of stock so I bought, just like the cheap ones off amazon well, not cheap, but you know decent ones, I guess, off amazon and I cannot see them to save my life. It's interesting, I, I just I don't get it, but like I could see the arrow when it's on the floor, but other than that, like I cannot see it when it's flying, nothing that's weird.

Speaker 4: 56:27

I've been using the key ups and the deep powers and they're both. They've been great. I just had my first one and I I've mixed them. They're kind of mixed and matched now, so I don't know which, but I just now had my first one start to dim after shooting them, you know, weekly for the past, but probably two months. So I mean you can't be, can't beat the price. Six, six knocks for what? 18 bucks, you know, as compared to three for 40 oh yeah 40

Speaker 4: 56:57

as long as they don't fall apart. You just got to shoot them all. Got to shoot them all and make sure they don't break yep, what I love about these.

Speaker 1: 57:04

I mean I, I think yours are kind of the same way, um, steve, but I like how you can. I no longer need a tool, because with the nocturnals you need a tool.

Speaker 2: 57:13

So if they by, mistake.

Speaker 1: 57:14

Go on, you have to like. If you don't bring the tool, I would always have to use a knife or something like that.

Speaker 4: 57:19

The new ones that they came out with have a switch, but they're more expensive, of course, I mean I can't see the reality.

Speaker 3: 57:27

The reality is they all come from the same place, absolutely absolutely one more thing I didn't share with you guys and Mike knows this, maybe Squatch knows it I shot. I shot the doe and the buck with the same severed bra head. I was telling Mike, I was like and I usually never do that, but I was like, it's in good shape, it's not bent, it's still sharp as hell.

Speaker 1: 57:59

It's like I'm gonna reuse it and two deer with the same broad I, I will give, um, I've never, I've never done it as well, but these, these severed broadheads have held up absolutely incredible, where they kind of besides, you know, having some blood and fur and stuff like that on it.

Speaker 1: 58:27

It really looks like they have even been shot, you know, through a deer and everything like that. Um, you know, I think you know, with the, with the 2.0, I love those, but I don't, I don't think I would shoot those again. But just the way that this hybrid is, is made, I think it's just, you know, it just holds up so well that feral is just, it's phenomenal, you know, just just the way it was made and everything like that. So I, I am definitely especially after frank told me he he did with his like, I mean, I know I'm buying more severs anyway, the hybrids anyway, but like, why not, you know, or just easily, if you don't, if you don't want to, and what? What's pretty cool about that? If you don't want to use your, your already used ones, you can use those as practice heads and you know, instead of instead of.

Speaker 1: 59:12

Because I usually, whenever I buy a brand new pack, I usually take one and I designate that the the practice one. But I have all these old, old heads all over the place and I'm like, wait, why haven't I never used the old ones as my practice ones, instead of always taking one new one out of the three, four, five or how many I end up getting like?

Speaker 4: 59:33

what an idiot they're on, they're on sale, I think the rest of the night too. Um, they're like three or four dollars off a pack, uh, or a piece. Sorry, a piece, a piece, yeah, um, right now, until the end of the night. So I bought a bunch. Actually I bought a bunch of their match grade, uh, 125 grain field points because I love them. They're they're the best that I've I've come across, so I had to get a bunch more.

Speaker 1: 59:57

They're like $1.50, I think I'm going 125 next year I think that's going to be next year's uh um is to go 125. I'm shooting 100 grain this year but I I think I'm gonna step toe to the 120 and you know it's just a small difference. You know I've already seen the how my arrows have handled this year and going to the heavier weight which you know I've I've talked about for years now and finally did, and you know the mamba arrows that I have, I mean I mean when I like we talked about already but when I shot that deer, I mean that thing blew right through that buck where he Steve, he had no idea what hit him, he and then he walked off and died and it was. It was absolutely phenomenal to see. And you know as much as listen, I was a huge Eastern guy and I don't get me wrong I do love my Eastern arrows, but I don't think I'm ever going back my Easton Arrows, but I don't think I'm ever going back.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

I love these. As long as Mamba stays in business, I'll probably be shooting Mamba, probably for the rest of the time.

Speaker 4: 1:00:58

It's amazing too.

Speaker 1: 1:01:00

Hit us up, Mamba, if you're listening.

Speaker 4: 1:01:04

It's amazing too when you make the switch, because when anybody I should say a lot of people when they talk about the heavier arrows or if you want to coin the frames, adult arrows or you know, depending on how negative you want to get, you know it doesn't. You can go heavier, but you can still stay with mechanicals. I mean the amount of videos that I watch and people are shooting they're shooting deer with a 400 total arrow weight, you know, arrow or even 450 or whatever. Like if you're mechanics, your FOC is set up and you don't need some crazy FOC. You don't need 20 FOC or 20 plus or whatever, but you get a good 15% FOC on an arrow and you get the weight to the right place and then you really work on your mechanics, tune it out.

Speaker 4: 1:01:56

There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to. You know. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to have a full pass through. I'm not talking about hitting the shoulder, but I mean if you're hitting through the rib cage. I mean unless you're hitting a direct rib, but even in that case it's going to deflect and go through nine times out of 10, even more than that.

Speaker 4: 1:02:17

Something I didn't share with you guys is actually very interesting. Actually, I did share with the group but I had a deer that I had on camera from July that came past one of my trail cams in one of the areas of public that I hunt and he was limping and when I zoomed in he had been shot in the shoulder and the arrow the guy couldn't have gotten more than four inches of penetration. I mean, and I get that, it's the shoulder, but if your arrow, if your setup is good, I've punched through the both shoulder blades with a single bevel and I've done it with. I've done it with mechanical too, like if you, if you can get the mechanics set up, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to be lethal and just about any you just about any relatively vital area that you hit an animal.

Speaker 1: 1:03:15

Yeah, perfectly said, I think it's. Yeah, you hear the arrows and I don't think anyone needs. You see, people at 600 grain air, not for whitetail, like that is that's crazy, you know. But even I think, as long as you have the right setup, I think you know, if tuned correctly, there's so many things that factor into into bow hunting and to archery, you know know, and there's just so much that you can do and I think every bow hunter arrow and their setup and their it's going to be different from from each other. You know, um, and that's the cool thing, the, the customization from for archery just alone, of just like at the end of the day, you know, all four of us right here, what works for for me doesn't mean it's always going to work for for you guys. Everyone's setup is different. Our bows are are different. At the end, all of our four of our bows are are completely different. You know our, our wingspan is is different. You know how we, you know how we shoot.

Speaker 1: 1:04:29

Our bows are are going to be different you know, it's a game of every single detail matters with with archery, and it's going to be the same thing. Listen, you, I don't fear that shoulder anymore, you know. I mean, I'm I'm pretty confident that I'm punching through that, that shoulder, at least one of them where it's still going to be a lethal shot, you know, but it's, if you're fearing that shoulder, then maybe look at your. You know, and that's what I did. I looked at my setup and I was like all right, what, what needs to change here? You know, what do I need to do, just in case if I do hit that shoulder?

Speaker 1: 1:05:10

If I do hit that shoulder, you know, I I mean with the easons, I've still quartering away got through and it, you know, broke off into to the other shoulder, killed that deer, barely went anywhere. But you know it's what's going to happen. If you're somebody and you shoot, and maybe four inches of penetration, it's like, uh, yeah, right, what, something needs to change. You know, when I hit that deer last year and just the angle, that just made me like all right, that right, there was enough. Like okay, we need to come up with a different. You know, I don't want that ever happen again and that could have not been. Um, I just caught a. Uh, just caught a. Just caught a moth trying to fly to my, my dear over there.

Speaker 1: 1:05:47

God damn it um but, um, you know it's just. You know it's just one of those things that we can tinker with our whole entire lives. But you know, once you get that formula down, you're not fearing that shoulder anymore. You know it. Whether you're using like you said it I love how you said it you've done it with fix and you've done it with mechanical, and you know it. Whether you're using, like you said I love how you said it you've done it with fix and you've done it with mechanical, and you know what either one you use it's, you're gonna get it done yeah, absolutely, especially now you look at you, look at the flagship lineup this year.

Speaker 4: 1:06:21

You could go with matthews or hoyt or you know any of the major brands, and almost every single one of them is now offering the ability to shoot 80 pounds. My goodness, I mean it's almost to the detriment because, you know, going from 70 to 80 pounds, your tunes really got to be on when you're pulling 80 pounds but you're also getting kinetic energy out the wazoo if your spine and everything else and your whole, you know your, your setup is built correctly. I mean there's just, there's just no reason to to see an arrow hanging out of a deer anymore running away now. And I'm not arguing that it's not lethal, I'm just saying I don't see why I saw a picture in a group, I don't know what.

Speaker 1: 1:07:09

I don't know if any of you guys saw it, but a buck had a arrow through its head. Um, and I mean, I know the the buck was, honestly, it was, he was completely fine, you know. Um, as bad as it and, yes, it looks extremely bad and it's a very bad. Look on on hunters and, and I will, that's not. There's no excuse for that. There, there, there is none whatsoever, you know, but it just sucks because people who don't know what these animals go through and how they survive and you know the most horrific things happen to them and they just it's another day to them. You know they're, they didn't.

Speaker 1: 1:07:52

That deer is not looking at it all for me, like I have an arrow through my head. It's like, okay, something happened, you know what, but I'm still fine, I'm still eating. He's probably chasing does right now. You know what I mean Like it's, it's, it's not the same, but it gives the fuel to, to the non-hunting world. Like this is disgusting. Do you see what these people are doing? Um, and there's no excuse for that, just like you know they, it's none and you know if you're, if you're someone, maybe, I don't know, maybe hanging up. Then at that point, you know, I I don't see in what world how do you hit a buck in the head. I mean, it's something crazy has got to got to happen there. I mean, unless it's a malfunction of you know, you're pulling back and something breaks. Yeah, okay, but what are the odds? You know what I mean? What, what are?

Speaker 1: 1:08:46

what are the honest odds of something like that happening? You know what I mean. What? What are, what are the honest odds of of something like that happening, you know? So it's something that our equipment is just so deadly right now. Steven, you, you hit it on the head Like there's no reason why yeah and arrow should be only going for you know what I mean? Our everything now that we have is just deadly. And 80 pounds. If I ever get a bow and I'm set to 80, you best believe I'm gonna have a backup bow.

Speaker 4: 1:09:14

That's set to like 50 pounds. Absolutely no, I mean and don't I'm not taking away from the youth hunters, or you know, my dad's a good example. My dad just bought a brand new bear adapter last year and I think he's pulling 40 pounds. You know, it's basically a little bit above the legal minimum. But you know what? I also built him a 510 grain arrow which has 200 grains up front and even though he's only pulling 40 pounds, I mean it's basically like a trad bow. You look at the trad bow guys, the trad bow, recurve longbow, whatever it is they, they have 200. Most of those guys have at least 200 grains up front and they're and they might not be getting a full pass through, but they're not worried about penetration, you know, and that's with a 40 to 50 pound, you know recurve my super mag 48 60.

Speaker 2: 1:10:07

It's a 60-pound, 48-inch recurve. I shot the traditional carbon arrows with a Magnus two-blade broadhead on it. When I hit that buck I went right through, right through at 20 yards. I mean no issues.

Speaker 4: 1:10:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:24

Plenty of power in that thing, man. I mean, it's a heavy arrow and it had the kinetic energy it needed. And a recurve's kinetic energy believe it or not is actually a little bit different through how a compound's measured, just due to the fact that the way it unloads the arrow out of it it's a different kind of power.

Speaker 2: 1:10:48

I don't know how to exactly explain it, so it makes sense, but the torque, yeah, basically, yes, yes, you hit it right on the head yeah so uh, but yeah, I can tell you from from doing it, don't be afraid, I mean that that 60 pound, you know is, is something, and I learned how to snap shoot that I'm not really one of those guys that like hang back on a recurve and you know you draw back to, you hit your anchor point and then you release. But it's all one movement and I'm telling you it worked great. I had no issues. But I also stayed inside of my means. You know nothing outside of 20 yards and, believe me, I had. That's why I went back to the compound, because I was seeing some bigger bucks at 30 and I'm like, oh, if I had the compound but.

Speaker 4: 1:11:38

I refused.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

I just refused to take a crap shot with the, with the recurve if I had it it had to be. It had to be a shot.

Speaker 1: 1:11:46

That was what that was meant to do, so all about being ethical hunter right there, but uh guys, I think that's gonna it's gonna be our longest, um feel no episode. It was great to to have steve back. Uh, you know the the episode really flowed a little more with steve's. Uh, steve here.

Speaker 1: 1:12:06

It's nicer when you got four people here, because there's there's just more to to talk about with with four of us. Uh, but it was. It was great getting the boys back on. It is that holiday time. Holy crap, it's almost Christmas. It's absolutely unbelievable. It's almost Christmas, um.

Speaker 1: 1:12:26

So we're going to be getting into a lot of things here. I'm probably going to, tomorrow, be starting our fan voted top episodes of 2024. A lot of episodes this year, I think. I not officially know yet, but I think this is going to be the all time episodes in a year. I think last year I did 42 episodes in one year and I'm pretty sure we knocked it out the park. Uh, this year, um, so it's been, it's been great, um, and yeah, we're getting to that christmas time.

Speaker 1: 1:13:02

Once we get a little closer to 4 000, we'll be doing our 200th episode plus 4 000000 follower episode giveaway soon. A lot of broadheads that are going to be given away. So people keep out, keep a lookout for that. So, yet again, trying to nail down the game dinner and then, like I said, we'll be at the Empire State Show February 28th to March 2nd and then also we will be at the Great American Outdoor Show February 1st. I believe Bianca and I are going to February 5th. She extended that day. She was like, oh, we'll just put down to the 5th. I was like, ok, whatever you, whatever you say, looking forward to all these great events and guys, great week. Let's get another good week in the books here.