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Speaker 2: 0:43

That's why your tagline JCL known perfect. You don't know what that man should have done.

Speaker 1: 0:48

You don't know what that man should have done. I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow and a cub and she charged and hit the back of the canoe. His head hit the ground before his ass did.

Speaker 2: 1:04

Begging and crying to go with my grandfather. Go with my father on these deer drives.

Speaker 4: 1:09

You know the last trip over I shot a great Cape Buffalo with my bow, charging through the grass and then the whooping, and then you hear a body drop Boys.

Speaker 1: 1:20

We are back for another episode. I am pleased to announce our guests right now Marsh Boys Outdoors, south New Jersey-based guys who, of course, if you don't know who, they are big on the waterfowl game Boys. Welcome to the show. Yeah, thanks for having us.

Speaker 4: 1:42

Appreciate you having us on tonight.

Speaker 1: 1:45

No problem at all. It's my absolute pleasure having you guys on. We got Squatch with us.

Speaker 2: 1:50

Hey guys, how are you? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1: 1:54

Real quick before we get started. Why don't you guys introduce yourselves for anyone out there who doesn't know you guys?

Speaker 4: 2:00

So I'm Brian Brian Paulus. I live down here in Salem County, new Jersey. Big waterfowler trapper.

Speaker 3: 2:09

I'm Brian Sowers. I've been doing all this stuff with him since we started Marsh Boys.

Speaker 4: 2:13

Yeah, we've been best friends for 13 years now. And what? Four years ago you started hunting with me.

Speaker 3: 2:22

Right, when I got back yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:24

And then two years ago we started our brand marsh boys, uh, waterfowl centric. We started with a podcast and it's grown into a social media following um, a continuously growing social media following um. We got our llc this past year, so now we sell a little bit of merch. We're just starting our youtube journey. Just all the basics of a of a brand.

Speaker 3: 2:46

Yeah we're just still just getting started I, I absolutely love to hear it.

Speaker 1: 2:52

And that before we, you know, we really dive into all that, um, I gotta say too, we um big news on on our front. Uh, we actually today we just got our trademark for Chasey Unknown. So I've been battling with that for a year and probably have spent at least well over $1,000 or $2,000 trying to get this done yeah, because they denied it and all these things. So, officially, today Chasey Unknown is trademarked by us here at Boondocks Hunting. Chase the Unknown is trademarked by us here at Boondocks Hunting. And I can actually also officially say too, we have a new podcast dropping too. It's going to be Chase the Unknown podcast. That is going to be coming soon.

Speaker 1: 3:36

A big part of what this show now is going to be is, you know, all Jersey-based and I kind of wanted to get back onto the jersey base. And these two guys, um, I I really wanted to get on. I wanted to get them on a little earlier during the the waterfowl season, but things got got crazy over here. I'm also really proud to announce and also very thankful to these guys, that they are actually one of these sponsors for our, our game dinner and everything like that, and they're going to be producing something also for a giveaway, which I think is going to be a really great giveaway, especially anyone who's looking to get into waterfowl or who've gotten into waterfowl but just have have yet to kind of, you know, get all the pieces, uh pieces going.

Speaker 1: 4:22

I know me being a new waterfowl hunter for now on. I just completed year three. I believe it's just a it's an ongoing process to buy all this stuff and the decoys. I mean you need a lot of decoys, so like that's. You know the calls and everything like that. So I think that's been the hardest transition into waterfowl hunting, but it is. It's been an absolute pleasure. So, guys, I want to thank you guys.

Speaker 4: 4:49

Yeah, absolutely as soon as. As soon as we saw you were looking for sponsors. You know we've been looking to do something like that as far as advertisement and to put it towards a good cause. And you guys being from Jersey and I mean, we love all games, so why not?

Speaker 1: 5:07

Yeah, no, I not. Yeah, no, it's going to be great, looking, really looking forward to it. But, um, guys, you, you got the llc. You know you talked about a little bit. Um, you know, big waterfowl guys, what, what drove you? What was the? The big decision moving or creating this page and the company and everything like that? Like, where did the whole idea come up with? Like, were you guys just sitting around having a few drinks? What? What was it that really got you to?

Speaker 4: 5:32

this point. I'll let ryan tackle that one. Where do you want to start? Do you want to start? Why we started marsh boys?

Speaker 3: 5:38

um, well, I want to preface all this by saying when we used to hang out in the barn every single weekend and just make each other laugh and just bullshit, we said we should record this and then never did anything and that was like there was probably like a 10 year gap on that and I got, I started working and I didn't really do anything on the side and I didn't have any cool stories. And I came up to Brian and I was like I don't do anything. I'm like I want to do something and we were talking and eventually the original four of us Tyler, jimmy and I we just started to try doing it, like we started with four laptops.

Speaker 4: 6:27

I bought four microphones really junky, cheap USB microphones and I called Ryan and I called Jimmy. It started as me, jimmy and Ryan, and I said, hey, we're going to meet at Jimmy's, we're going to record a podcast and we're like okay.

Speaker 3: 6:50

So we did it, and how many times did we record the first podcast? Uh, I think three times. Three restarts and then the editing of four different audio files on four different computers and they're all old computers. It was just a terrible experience. So that was the first step in learning.

Speaker 4: 7:02

Yeah, we it basically started because, I mean, we were doing all this cool stuff but Ryan wanted to be able to show, say, down the line, his grandkids like, hey, I actually did this, we did all of this, and that's transpired in a lot of opportunities we've been given in these last two and a half years.

Speaker 1: 7:25

Sorry, what was that go? I'm just, I love that, you know, and I love how how it starts, too like it. You didn't have like a smooth, you know into this. Like I love stories like that, like I, we, we over here had a little smoother, but it was so awkward like I never. Like now, looking back at the first, like even the first, like 50 episodes I was so damn.

Speaker 1: 7:50

It was weird you were, you weren't comfortable yet and now, yeah, yep, I listen, I 100 know like it was just weird. Now I don't need anyone to be on the, I could talk to this damn camera right here, by myself, I may look crazy, I like that he's shaking his head down there. But but you could do it and you know that gets you to to where we are now.

Speaker 4: 8:11

But so I I love the, I love the story what's really funny is so ryan's always been the tech guy. He built computers, gained all that long before I ever thought about getting a computer and we first started it and ryan was like excuse me. Ryan was like no, no, I'll edit, I'll do all that long before I ever thought about getting a computer and we first started it and Ryan was like excuse me Ryan was like no, no, I'll edit, I'll do all that stuff.

Speaker 4: 8:29

Well, two weeks go by and I hit him up. I'm like, hey, you got that podcast done. He's like I can't, I can't, I can't listen to my own voice like that. So it's, I ended up getting all the salt once Ryan figured out how to kind of record everything and what we needed and what we did with that. After that I kind of took over the editing deal of the of the that side and then I figured out how to upload and, um, huge shout out to chris from flyaway connection down in louisiana. He got me linked up with buzzsprout and showed me how to do all that and it makes uploading a breeze, yeah I agree that that's what we use too as well.

Speaker 1: 9:05

We use Buzzsprout, so both shows are going to be on Buzzsprout. I got nothing but great things to say about Buzzsprout. They make things really simple, so I love it. I've heard other people having some difficulties with some of the streaming services they use. Whatever people ask me for my opinion, I just say listen, they do everything. Like oh, like what, what platforms you're on, literally everything puts it on everything for you. Like you don't have to do anything, it's not, it's really nice, um, and they do. They do great job. Obviously, we're now in the the era of AI and everything like that, so they do a really good job with that and everything like that. So shout out to them. But it's, you know, you start the podcast, I get it, you know.

Speaker 1: 9:56

Listen to your own voice too, and like people who don't record anything or don't do any filming or anything like that. Like it is the most awkward thing. Listen to yourself speak when you have to hear it. It's like wow, I really sound. Like you think you sound anything or don't do any filming or anything like that. Like it is the most awkward thing. Listening to yourself speak when you have to hear it it's like, wow, I really sound like you think you sound one way, and then you sound like that and it's like, well, what the hell, like what? I can't believe I sound like that. This is just awkward I don't know.

Speaker 3: 10:18

I I remember reading a thing like it's almost subconscious and it's like everything, it's something everybody has to battle when they have a like a more public page. I mean it's easier for some people than other people. But that makes me think that everybody you see on TV and movies and here on the radio all went through that same step, like, oh, I don't want to listen to this.

Speaker 1: 10:42

Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Now let's, let's get into the hunting side of it too, because, like I'm obsessed now with waterfowl Squatch, you've done everything. Are you a big waterfowl hunter? Have you waterfowled at all? Like kind of give me the breakdown.

Speaker 2: 10:59

I don't think I've ever asked you if you've done any waterfowl hunting no, no, I I went goose hunting one time and uh, I got a goose when I went, but that's the only time I went, and the reason being, New York State kind of runs their waterfowl and I think Jersey does too, but it starts right around bow season and I'm such an avid bow hunter myself to go after ducks and everything. I mean, well, get me wrong, man, it looks like a lot of fun. I just never went that route on waterfowl. The only birds I've really hunted is pheasant, and mostly Turkey and, uh, you know, rabbits and stuff like that, and then, of course, deer bear. You know the rest of the story, predators I'm on predators right now. So, um, you know it's been been pretty good. I got a Fox the other night and, uh, you know it's been been pretty good. I got a Fox the other night and you know that one's I'm going to get a mounted. I actually got to drop them off at the taxidermist tomorrow night. So it's going to be pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 11:52

But after Yotes right now, I had a pack up behind me. But now, just look, I mean there's going to be a time, you know, maybe Mike with you down the road and stuff, man, you know, maybe Mike, with you down the road and stuff. Man, I'll get into it a little bit, but I'm just torn so many ways and I'm so dedicated to my bow hunting. When it's that time it's go time and you know what man To each their own and I don't begrudge anybody man. If you love doing that stuff, get out there and do it. It's awesome man and congratulations, it's a real trophy man and congratulations it's. It's a real trophy man. I love doc, I'll eat it. You know goose. Goose is tough to shoe leather, but if you wrap it in bacon like anything else, yeah it's. It's good too.

Speaker 4: 12:31

So I just made a goose cheeseburgers last night for dinner. Solid. They were really good it's a mess yeah.

Speaker 4: 12:43

It is a. They are a mess when you grind them. So I don't like, even with deer meat, I don't like, I don't like mixing any kind of pork or beef fat. I like my wild game to taste like wild game. Yeah, so when I ground up those goose breasts, I mean packing them into the balls to put in the burgers. It was just mush and yeah, but now they cooked up just fine. That's cool, man. What do you?

Speaker 2: 13:06

season them with you.

Speaker 4: 13:07

Season them with, like, uh, salt, pepper, garlic, you do that kind of stuff, onion powder maybe everything I do with goose meat is salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder and then, um shout out to one of our sponsors, papa earl's caajun Seasoning.

Speaker 2: 13:24

I put that on pizza. I put it on everything.

Speaker 1: 13:26

We always put it on pizza.

Speaker 3: 13:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:29

Just a little selfless. Shout out Flavors of the forest, try their garlic. If you guys look them up, they do a freeze-dried garlic. Man, it's out of this world. I promote the hell out of it. Man, it's good stuff. They're just good friends of mine. Man, it's just really good stuff to do, like a spicy garlic and some other stuff. But long story man, you hit. Hit me up on Instagram. Follow the squash outdoors and more of the squash on there. You'll see the links and stuff for it too.

Speaker 1: 13:55

Yeah, absolutely yeah, man, real quick before, and something that you guys over the you know, since you guys are the big on on waterfowl, I think with goose, what guys over the you know, since you guys are the big on waterfowl, I think with goose what makes a big difference?

Speaker 2: 14:13

and I tried it for the first time. The last time I I made it was tenderizing it um and just taking a hammer and just pounding the hell out of it.

Speaker 1: 14:16

Yeah, I, I I was sitting the boop boop like, but I'll tell you then I, oh man, it was, and it did make a big difference. So if anyone out there listening, yes, it definitely is tougher. I definitely will 100% agree with anyone. Duck is just top of the line. I love goose still too. But if you start tenderizing it, also putting it in buttermilk, leave it overnight, butter, buttermilk and then just hammer the hell out of it, I think it'll do even better. But um, yeah, big big fan of of now, I'm gonna tenderize all of my goose from now on so I want to real quick before we move on.

Speaker 4: 14:57

And now this is a secret, I don't know how much of it everybody I've told is like really. So I don't do a whole lot of buttermilk with goose meat. Um, what I will marinate my goose meat in is worcestershire sauce, soy sauce and um one teaspoon of apple cider vinegar per goose breast that's good stuff. Apple, cider, vinegar, man, venison is all of those tendons, all those ligaments, all all that hard to chew, the silver skin, everything.

Speaker 3: 15:26

What about the used coffee grinds? We did on the one, I just had that the other night.

Speaker 4: 15:30

Yeah, if you're doing it in the crock pot and you want to do it like a pulled style, put it in the crock pot on low for like eight hours and a pot of coffee. Put a pot of coffee in there and you're seasoning it. It won't taste lean like anything, which is the craziest thing, but it really tastes like the acidity of it I mean just like apple cider vinegar, anything real acidic, break it down yeah, like I didn't know there was coffee until they told me after it was good that's.

Speaker 1: 15:55

That's pretty interesting. I I never, never knew. I knew the acidic stuff and but I didn't never thought of, you know, coffee and everything like that. But I'm going to have to try that. I'm definitely going to have to try that.

Speaker 2: 16:07

If you've got a steak or something too, that's kind of tough, like a tough piece of not that venison is really tough, but some of it can be. Marinate it in Coca-Cola.

Speaker 4: 16:16

I've heard that I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard it.

Speaker 2: 16:18

Coca-Cola works too, man. It breaks down that tough muscle in there, man, and it gives it a sweet flavor, it gives it a nice taste.

Speaker 1: 16:25

I believe that I use that in. We're going to get all crazy, but I'm a big. I'm big on cooking especially slow. Like doing a pulled venison or something like that. I like using root beer or something like that, like it just gives it the extra sweet, like you're saying, and it does break it down. Maybe throw a little whiskey in there or something like that. Absolutely, it just absolutely like amazing, I'm starting to get hungry. I mean, I have some venison in front of me. I'm starting to get hungry all over again. I might have to pull some, some goose out and stuff like that and get it ready for tomorrow.

Speaker 1: 16:58

Um, but um, you know, brian, especially with you. Um, you, how long has you know, brian, especially with you. How long has you know? How long have you been waterfowl hunting? For? You know when did you really get that like driven passion, like all right, I'm good on waterfowl. Like I know you hunt. You guys hunt other stuff and you know you trap and everything like that, but waterfowl is your thing. So when did waterfowl really like click to you, like this is 100 my thing.

Speaker 4: 17:28

Like this is what I want to do so I I got, just like most south jersey kids, I got my shotgun license. And now this is back talking when you got your shotgun, your muzzleloader, your rifle muzzleloader and your bow license. I didn't have any of that till I was older, till a couple years ago. I got my shotgun license when I turned 10 and I squirrel hunted. I went and sat for buck week and stuff like that. I didn't shoot a deer till I was, till I got I. I shot my first deer two days after I got my bow license. Um, but as soon as I really I squirrel hunting my dad up until I got my driver's license. When I got my driver's license, then I, you know, really, really was heavy on squirrels and rabbits and stuff like that. And then I'd like to say it was my senior year of high school.

Speaker 4: 18:15

One of the guys that we started Morse Boys with, jimmy Riley, I was talking to him. I was like yo, I want to get duck hunting. My cousin was a huge goose hunter that, before social media and all that they had a whole deal with a bunch of guys, had a trailer full of decoys and he took me duck hunting a few times. I never shot, um, I heck. I never even took the gun half the time, but uh, just watching him do it I kind of fell in love with it. And then when me and Jimmy got hooked up together he went out, bought a bunch of decoys. I had a little tent. Now jimmy's a big guy and even in high school he was. He's a few years younger than I am and he's he was six foot 200 pounds and it was 200 at the time. He was more than 200 and me and him I

Speaker 4: 19:00

was never a small guy. I mean, even after my rodeo day or even during my rodeo days, I was still 180 pounds and we got in this 10-foot John boat with a trolling motor, with me, him, two 870s and whatever decoys we could buy off of Craig's List. I think he bought a bunch of decoys at this local auction, old junkie flambos and we started that way and heck, I think jimmy shot a goose the second time we went hunting. It just flew over. We didn't have goose decoys, we weren't goose calling um, actually it reminds me, before we I even got in a duck hunt, but anyway, uh.

Speaker 4: 19:39

And then after this first couple hunts, like I said, it took us two years before we shot. I shot a duck and but what really made me fall in love with waterfowl hunting was calling um. Before I ever bought a decoy, before I ever took a gun out on the water, I bought calls and I would sit out back behind the barn and call. So I thought I sounded like a duck or, especially now, uh, goose calling. I do a little bit of competition calling at the new jersey show and oh really that's yeah, I've done it uh, two years in a row I haven't placed.

Speaker 4: 20:08

I've gotten fourth, fourth my first year at a at a nine guys and uh, fifth this year at, I think, 12 guys. A couple really good guys from pa showed up and it was a great time. I'm getting better every year up in my calling and uh, but, yeah, I fell in love with the calling aspect of it, which, um, yeah, it's just something. Now, duck calling is a little different because to me when you call it ducks, you're like, hey, I'm over here. When you're goose calling, you're trying to have a conversation with them and more or less that conversation is stay away. But yeah, um, that's really what made me fall in love with with hunting was probably the first time I called a goose in and shot it by myself and that was like hooked immediately. And now I got, I mean, we got the duck decoys and everything we duck on a bunch, but it's I mainly goose hunt, that's, that's my stick. I got the dog and everything and buck was late this year.

Speaker 3: 21:02

Yeah, yeah, I mean we shot, we shot some scoops this year we just see ducking, but there was one puddle duck day that I totally even forgot about.

Speaker 1: 21:11

Yeah, I'm hearing that from a lot of people. That ducks, just wasn't it this year.

Speaker 4: 21:18

Oh, duck season. Everything I heard was great down south here and on coastal Really yeah, but once we just didn't pursue it.

Speaker 3: 21:25

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 21:26

Like we, we went and yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:30

I don't know what that was. Give me a thumbs up for opening the beer. I guess, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4: 21:41

I was going to say, like we do before, go goosey's like september season. You were talking squabs, was talking about deer, you know that's I mean and it's what's wild is. You're up there in new york by the sound of it and that's the mecca for early season goose hunting. I mean guys from all over the place head up there yeah, jersey's one of them jersey's one of them. Little hidden gems too. I mean, there's guys that shoot 100 birds a day I got apple orchards.

Speaker 2: 22:04

Apple orchards where I live, it's all you know. I'm like kind of in the heart of apple country here. There's, all you know, feeder ponds in there for the orchards, so the geese, I'm like a natural flyway here for them guys when they come down. I'm in the hudson valley so they're kind of following the hudson river. I'm just a little bit west side of the hudson river and they come right down that flyway. Man, I swear to god, I could sit here in my backyard and probably blow them away with the three and a half, but I just I'm out.

Speaker 2: 22:29

I'm out bowhunting man. I've almost drawn back on a couple of them like flying over. Oh, this is.

Speaker 1: 22:35

This is like a $16 arrow, I'm not gonna lose it on a damn and that's the thing, like I think for me when it comes to that. And then, honey, like I'm with squash, I can't think of anything else, like I'm gonna die. Like I love bow hunting, a little bow hunting, deer and black bear and everything like that, but a just once the rut's over, now that I've gotten so big into waterfowl, everything just switches. I haven't, I haven't really deer. I went out for six day here in new jersey for gun season. And when I tell you I went out, I was just kind of being more part of the, the crew of people just going. I just said I went out.

Speaker 1: 23:13

Yeah, I could really care less if I freaking, I even I I saw a few deer but I didn't care, like I was just having fun, a change of pace from doing the madness of bow hunting, the way that I, that I hunt and everything like that. It was just nice changing the pace. But that time Christmas, early December, for me, is when it's like all right now what I can think about is is waterfowl and goose. And I love duck hunting. I really do. I love going after ducks. But I'm so hooked on geese, like it's just I don't know. I don't know if it's cause they're a little bigger, so, like, just the way that they work to me is just, it's just so unique. You know what I know if I was living when I think it's like Arkansas or so what's the really big place for ducks? Where you just have a flooded timber and there's just ducks everywhere.

Speaker 1: 24:05

I can't arkansas, mississippi, louisiana right I imagine if I was there, like it would be like all ducks, like it's ducks galore and everything like that. But you know, for here, man, we got a, we saw some, I mean a incredible amount of geese, and I mean it was up until the last day just smoking them every single, every single hunt, you know so, and that's how many birds that we, that we had, um, you know so, that's kind of like my thing, um, with waterfowl, but it's, I'll definitely agree, like I think right now, like geese is hunting goose is my my thing when it comes to to waterfowl yeah, my cousin got it.

Speaker 4: 24:44

A few years ago my cousin got into scoter hunting and sea ducks and all that and this year we actually did pretty good. We went up with Jeff Coates, pit boss, waterfowl opened a day of Maryland duck season, shot some scoters and then shot some with my cousin and he did pretty good. Other than that we shot a couple teal this year and then once goose season hits, I mean other than that we shot a couple teal this year and then once goose season hits, I mean the only other thing I think we kind of chased this year was brandt. Um, we, we, ryan, shot his first brandt this year. We both shot our first brandt this year and um, then we went down to delaware, shot a delaware brandt, ryan got one, I shot a banded brandt, which was really cool.

Speaker 4: 25:20

And and yeah, but other than I mean which is goose hunting? I guess, yeah, yeah, it's just, it's just so hard. And and, yeah, but other than I mean which is goose hunting? I guess, yeah, yeah, it's just, it's just so hard. And and the money aspect comes into a lot, because I got a trailer full of decoys. I got over 10 dozen decoys and a trailer. It's hooked up to the truck right now and it's just really hard to take the boat out when there's geese everywhere.

Speaker 3: 25:40

Yeah, so and I feel like you got to pick a niche. Yeah, in waterfowl. Like there's dudes that have a trailer full of snow geese, like zach, and then there's also a trailer full of canadas, and then there's people like buggy that are strictly for sea ducks, and then there's other people that are strictly for puddle ducks. Like I feel like if you try to do everything, you won't have enough of anything. You kind of got to try to pick one. Unless you got a good paycheck, yeah, unless you're rich.

Speaker 1: 26:08

That definitely helps that always helps with with anything nowadays in this world, that that always helps. But hunting has just gotten so has gotten so expensive. And you know, we, we, you go through the line of you know deer hunting is now super expensive, you know, and yes, there's ways to do it where it can be cheap and everything like that. But I think the way that I, you know, I could definitely talk with with squash and like our guys, like we're all freaking, we're all nuts when it comes to to deer hunting, you know, so we're, we're it's, it's a 24-7 grind. So we're always spending money getting new gear, making sure our gear is up to date and everything like that, and just it's a. It's just like a revolving door where you know waterfowl that's another thing. That's just super expensive. And a big part of that is because of the decoys and how many decoys. And you know, you just hear like um, just like you know snow geese, you know they say what you really need for snow geese is a ridiculous amount of you'll never have enough.

Speaker 1: 27:08

If you're not on the x, don't go out with less than a thousand decoys yeah, and that's how expensive is like, how expensive is that, like that's got to be, like you know.

Speaker 3: 27:19

So socks on team who weren't that bad. They were like 35 cents a sock. That was Alibaba.

Speaker 4: 27:25

We looked into that. But if you're going like a full sock spread. Even when Rogers has them on sale, they're $40 a dozen yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:36

That's a long way to $10,000.

Speaker 4: 27:39

I mean I got 20 dozen snow goose decoys and that hurt the bank account pretty good.

Speaker 3: 27:46

It's all right setting like a normal amount of decoys, but if you go out and set like a thousand fifteen hundred snow geese and don't get a burn, that's a. That's a hard pill to swallow right there because those snakes have a hard time going into the ground and everything. Yeah, we had to bring the.

Speaker 1: 28:00

We had to bring the hammer and everything like that. Just cold and so snowy and everything like that. Like I think the last, the last day was um eight I think in the morning when we got there eight degrees, my full, like the whole period was just frozen, just frozen solid. I mean I like really, it was so cold, I put on my sicka gear. I just put on my sicka hunting winter gear and I was like you know what, screw it, I'm gonna wear this. I may not be, you know, matching with the, the camera, but I was like it's the last day, it is freezing, cold, cold. I'm going to hunt comfy. Today we still did great, so it didn't even matter.

Speaker 4: 28:36

That's another part people don't really talk about is the clothing. I have all sick of stuff. A lot of my stuff is sick. I still wear them. I have Final Approach bibs. They're only $200 on sale but they're amazing.

Speaker 1: 28:56

But yeah, I mean just to learn, in my closet there's a thousand dollars in clothes. Yeah, yeah, that's another.

Speaker 4: 28:59

And then, if you really want to talk about it all the shells, not only the gun like you know the guns, especially if you can't shoot but that's, but that's a fun thing about waterfowling.

Speaker 1: 29:08

I I mean this year the guys that I went out with you know big shout out to justin and everything like that. He was got he. He knows his birds, he, he really does. Um, you know he, he brought a lot of new hunters into into the outdoors with waterfowl. He got me into to waterfowl, like I can fully say he is the sole reason why I waterfowl hunt and he, he got me addicted to it. He's when, beyond when, my fiance bianca, divorces me, it's gonna be his fault because we got no money, because now I, now I'm getting into waterfowl and everything like that. But you know you bring these new guys out and you get to bust people's balls because you're just having fun. You know, unlike deer hunting, you know everything's stealthy, quiet and everything like that, with with this, like boom, boom, boom, boom and like gosh, everyone misses or everyone aimed at the same exact bird. That's the funniest thing to me.

Speaker 4: 29:59

It's like that birds get shot halfway down to the ground.

Speaker 1: 30:06

That almost happened a few times this year, like where birds almost literally landed on. But like it's fun you know you're drinking coffee or hot chocolate. You, you know, you can make food and everything like that bacon in the blind. Yeah, right, like it's. That's what it's about and that's what I love about waterfowl hunting. So much is that. Is that right there it's. You know it's the camaraderie, you know it's. It's the locker room lifestyle that we have that deer camp, but not when you go hunting.

Speaker 4: 30:35

You don't have that everybody goes their separate ways, where we all leave the truck yeah, everyone's together and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 30:42

And after you, you've done your separate ways for three, four months. For me it's like oh, this is nice. Finally, like socializing while hunting is it's pretty, it's pretty neat, um, you know. So I, I think that's the part. And listen, we've all been there, we've all had our bad days where we miss and every like yeah, and then you want to blame the gun and everything like that and like, yeah, no where the gun don't go off.

Speaker 3: 31:08

Yeah, what I was like this year you ought to eject the shell, and then you only got two shells in your gun instead.

Speaker 4: 31:16

What I was like this year. I missed. I mean, I shot an okay little buck this year not to fill the freezer, but before I shot him I settled on him, I missed a nine-pointer and I kicked myself in the butt. I mean, still to this day I shot. I have it on footage. I mean, still to this day I shot. I have it on footage I shot. You can't even see the gap between the arrow and his back. Yep, and I couldn't tell you how many geese.

Speaker 4: 31:37

I missed this year, but I don't remember a single one of them well, that's that.

Speaker 1: 31:40

And that's the other thing. Like you know, with deer hunting, everything it's a game of inches, so everything matters with waterfowl, if you mess up waterfowl hunting, you're literally gonna get another chance. You could get one right away, or you can get one 30, you know you're getting another chance, like the. The amount of birds that there are is it's just, it's just insane. So it's it's also fun because you're continuing doing it over and over, like you don't beat yourself up when you make a bad shot or or something like that. When you're when you're waterfowl hunting, you know, when you're deer hunting, you're bear hunting, you're doing all the other things. You beat yourself, you get really down and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Listen, it's, you know also for me too, and I think, getting new people into hunting, like if you take them deer hunting and they wound an animal.

Speaker 1: 32:27

Everyone knows how sick to our stomachs we get when we, when we wound an animal. You know, I'm not gonna lie, yeah, sometimes it sucks when you shoot a bird and you know he flies on, you can see him, he's going to and he goes down on private that's. It's very unfortunate, right, but for the most part, if you're hitting a bird, they're going down, you could go chase them across the field and everything like that, and you're going to be able to. You'll be able to get them, you know, I mean it's, it's. It's just a little different when it comes to that too, and I think bringing new people into hunting I think waterfowl or something where you're engaging, and stuff like that would be an incredible hunting style to to get somebody in and then get them into, uh, into like something very more look more serious in the, the realm of you know how you kind of be way more disciplined when uh, more crazy and and and you have to scent and wind and everything like that. So it's, it's definitely a different game that definitely reignited my flame.

Speaker 4: 33:24

like my flame burned pretty high for it, but I think it burns even more because I got my best friend into it. I mean mean it's just been, I don't know. There's very few times where we hunt every year that he isn't with me or we don't go hunt or together or whatnot Even deer hunt. I sat in a truck a hundred yards away from when he shot his first deer. Yeah, and uh that's great.

Speaker 3: 33:46

I mean, I like to do it, but if it wasn't for him I wouldn't probably do it, Cause a lot of our best memories and experience came from doing something stupid out there, like falling asleep in the rain with your legs over the side of the boat and the waders and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 34:05

It's, it's, it's worth the memories. I get that in a day Like I wouldn't trade anything. You know to do what I'm doing now, as much as I you know, since Squatch knows this and, and you know a bunch of our listeners like listen, I was a phenomenal hockey, but I'm not trying to toot my own corner, anything like that like that's what I did, you know, from basically the age of five all the way up to, and things happen for a reason and I honestly could say, like people ask me if I miss it, yeah, I miss hockey. And I honestly could say, like people ask me if I miss it, yeah, I miss hockey, but I wouldn't trade. Like this is what I was meant to do. Like this right here is sitting here talking to you guys going out and hunting, doing this, like this is what makes me happy.

Speaker 2: 34:46

We may venture out, but we always come back to the outdoors because that's where our heart is, that's that's our. You know what drives us to do what we do and you know, in the back of your minds while you're doing this hey, I'm a professional drummer. I've played drums since I was five years old. My dad played drums. I always thought that was going to be my ticket and you know do kind of stuff it wasn't. You know I've done dibs and dabs and all kinds of other stuff, but my heart always brings me back to the woods. It always brings you back to fishing, you know, and it's a time spent with your family, with your friends.

Speaker 2: 35:18

Any experiences that you had, whether they're bad or good, you got to take them with a grain of salt. You got to learn from some some stuff and you got to make yourself a better person. And I'll tell you, as you guys know, and you know, Mike, I, I didn't know Mike from nothing. We were brought together by a company who we were endorsing and we became friends just because we appreciate each other and we support each other. And you know, out of this whole thing, another fellow that's on our team is Frank, and Frank is like a dear brother to me.

Speaker 2: 35:50

I feel like I've known him for 35 years and he feels the same and it's amazing that just in over a year, year and a half by the internet, by being helping each other out and being a distance away he's an hour away from me, but you've become that close and it's really a cool thing. And you know what? There's always a few idiots out there that are going to ruin it, but you weed them out. You stay smart, you move on and you know it's cool. Like I just friended you guys on Instagram, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 36:20

I can't wait to see you know what you guys bring to the table. I saw that otter you trapped.

Speaker 4: 36:26

That's pretty damn cool that up because that was hands down. I I've shot like I said. I shot the banded brand. I've shot banded geese, I shot bucks. I've done everything that was hands down. The coolest thing I've ever done in the out.

Speaker 2: 36:37

That's all. Congratulations, man.

Speaker 4: 36:39

That's a hell of a feat getting one of them they're they're not easy to trap.

Speaker 4: 36:42

They're, they're pretty slick, they're slick especially because I can only so in the new jersey. In new jersey, yeah, off an otter, you get one otter per year off your permit. First, it's a lottery system. Only 146 permits are handed out and the zone that I trap it is 15 permits. So I think there was 33 applicants this year. I ended up drawing a permit. I didn't get one last year. This is our second, both of our, we took our trapping course together. So this is our second year trapping.

Speaker 4: 37:17

Really really good friend of mine we've had him on the podcast a bunch, colby f in the coyote man, he, uh, he told me if I ever drew an otter permit he he'd hook me up and help me out and he did exactly that. I took a day off of work. We went out and, like I was saying before, you get one otter per permit. Um, you get one permit a year. If you're lucky enough to draw. You can only set three specific otter traps, right, right, um, with that permit. So like I couldn't go out and set every otter slot, I saw we had to pick and choose and it was um, it took me eight trap nights, seven or eight trap nights to catch him and it was the hardest thing in the world not to be them. Not to be them, cable restraints. And I didn't catch him in a conibear, I caught him in a cable restraint, which was even cooler.

Speaker 2: 37:57

So he's fallen in and drowning. Is he a drown set?

Speaker 3: 38:00

No, he attacked him. Yeah, he came at me.

Speaker 2: 38:04

Oh, what Really yeah.

Speaker 4: 38:06

I'll explain the story of it. So where I set was on a spillway bridge. It veed out and on the left side there's like a step down in these rocks and he was coming up that step to use a toilet on top. So we set the cable restraint there and we put like a 72 inch extension cable on this thing wrapped around a tree down at the bottom gotcha, so when he would get caught he wouldn't come up to the road or up on top of the bridge, he would go down and get tangled. Well, he never got tangled. That I thought. So we walk in and I see, I see this, the the cable restraints pulled and I'm like freaking out. Already.

Speaker 4: 38:43

Ryan said he knew immediately from my face what had happened and, uh, that's awesome. And then I saw slack in the cable and I kind of I got a little worried. And then I saw his tail and that's what I was like oh, this is serious, like this is really happening, this is awesome, yeah. And then I was like, well, how do I get he? So there was a little tree and the bridge pile on. He had wedged himself like inside where he couldn't see his head to, you know, to to killing, basically to dispatch, to dispatch, yeah, and I had to go down inside the trap circle which I was told immediately like with an honor, do not do, yeah yeah, yeah and uh, because they they get a little mean.

Speaker 4: 39:26

Oh yeah, I didn't know what was going on and I went down and I pulled him out. When I pulled him out, he ran around the other side of this little tree which I didn't know, but he was on. And I went down and I pulled him out. When I pulled him out, he ran around the other side of this little tree which I didn't know, but he was completely wrapped around. He only had like maybe 16 inches to go back and forth.

Speaker 4: 39:39

I thought he had 72 inches to go back and forth. So when he ran out I kind of like jumped back.

Speaker 3: 39:45

I thought he was going in the water, because the water was right behind him.

Speaker 4: 39:48

He ran around this tree and the weirdest thing he like bowed up, he stuck his chest out, he's looking, he's looking. And then he lunged oh man, oh, and he was growling. I mean, the teeth were unbelievable and the coolest part about it was I didn't know how big, how dense otters were.

Speaker 2: 40:10

They're a lot bigger than I thought.

Speaker 1: 40:13

They're strong man, yeah, yeah, I got very looking at this here and this is it.

Speaker 4: 40:17

This is big that thing was a 20, 22.3 pound male.

Speaker 3: 40:21

He's not like a fish either, like he was a long boy.

Speaker 4: 40:25

Yeah, he covered he covered all but maybe six inches of a 99 GMC 1500 tailgate.

Speaker 2: 40:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:33

So I because you know trapping is what I want to get into next and everything like that you know, when you're trapping otters and everything like that, what is you know, is it kind of like trapping, you know, like a coyote they're kind of like, you know, a little tougher to trap, you know from. I mean, you guys could correct me if I'm wrong, but you know they're smart, they're, you know they're, they're sly like it, so this kind of like what it is with otters they're, they're very intelligent animals so it makes it very difficult trapping them. And kind of what is the procedure of like um, trapping you know other animals versus trapping like you know an otter, or like the difference between an otter and a beaver, why you know, why you know it might be a little easier to trap beavers versus um, versus otters so I can't say it was really hard trapping the otter.

Speaker 4: 41:25

I kind of knew eventually he would come back. So what, what? I think what took so long is I set and then everything froze for a week, um, and when that water freezes they're going everywhere in the marshes. Eventually he would come back. So what, what? I think what took so long is I set and then everything froze for a week, um, and when that water freezes they're going everywhere in the marshes. They're doing, they're doing their own thing. They know water's not open so they're not coming back to their normal spots, they're out exploring, um.

Speaker 4: 41:44

I'm primarily a raccoon trapper and what I mean with the raccoons you got, I one of the best thing is guys with deer deer will hit me up and be like hey, I got a bunch of raccoons screwing up my bait pile. Can you come catch them for me? Yeah, I mean you might not catch them night one, but you're going to catch them within three nights in a dog proof trap and that's what I primarily run. This was actually the first time I've ever used cable restraints, or whoever's out there doesn't know trapping, doesn't know what a cable restraint is. It's a snare that doesn't. It's not. It's a snare that doesn't kill, it doesn't go all the way. So a cable restraint I've never heard of it happening. But a cable restraint will loosen up and the animal backs off, just like a dog leash, and I think, I think you have to use them in most of the surrounding states, pa new york, stuff like that pa does still allow for foothold.

Speaker 4: 42:37

Yes, yeah, I mean jersey can't, you can't even possess foothold track, but uh, not even as a decoration and um, wow, yeah, these are the first cable restraints I've ever, I've ever set and I got very lucky to catch, and you know, talking to colby all these times and just sound the sound of it, I mean he's got it down pretty pat. He's going to catch his coyotes every year. But to the new trapper it can seem very, very daunting because, yes, coyotes are super smart, foxes are super smart, or canines, I mean, everybody's got a dog. They know how smart their dog is. Now, imagine if they have to live on their own.

Speaker 4: 43:09

You know, um, I mean, even guys that hunt coyotes know how smart they are I was just talking to a guy at work who ran his caller for the first time and he said the coolest thing was he watched the fox come in running 100 mile an hour, pump the brakes at 80 yards and circle 300 yards to the downwind side he said. He saw him 20 minutes later coming down the downwind side and now with you're not worried about that. But I mean you could set your trap an inch off and you're not going to catch.

Speaker 3: 43:40

It's not just that. I think they know because I set a cable restraint. They were like they walked through it the two days prior. I set the restraint and he walked around it the next day.

Speaker 2: 43:50

The coyote did.

Speaker 3: 43:51

I think it was a fox.

Speaker 4: 43:53

Yeah, I don't know for sure, but yeah, now with the otters, what's really nice is, I mean, an otter's only a big otter is only going to stand this tall. So a lot of times you can kind of guide them into the cable restraint, and that's exactly what I did. He couldn't get, he couldn't go to the left, he couldn't go to the right, he was coming through that gap and as long as my cable restraint was set, now, granted, if I set an eight-inch loop, I probably wouldn't have ever called him. But I set a four-and-a-half to five-inch loop, about an inch-and-a-half onto ground, knowing his head was kind of going to be up because he's coming up basically a stair, and yeah, I mean it was pretty simple to catch him. Now I did shoulder catching, which they say is very, very common. It's very common. You get a neck catch on an otter or a beaver, for that matter too, if you're cable restraining beavers, I think the otters can be a little trickier, because they will switch it up unless you get right in our home territory.

Speaker 2: 44:52

Where, with a beaver, you're looking for dams and the beavers are going to be at that. Yeah, as long as you're setting slides, you're going to catch slide. Yeah, slide. Drown with a weight yeah, pull them right exactly um, I can I back up for a second? I thought I heard you say you can't use uh, you can't use a pan trap in jersey. You you.

Speaker 4: 45:05

You cannot possess a steel, uh, a steel leg hold trap.

Speaker 2: 45:09

You can't like a victor.

Speaker 3: 45:10

You can't use a Victor pan trap, you can't even if you're a trapper and you own one and the game warden comes to your house, say bye-bye to your license.

Speaker 2: 45:18

Wow, we're allowed to use them in New York man.

Speaker 4: 45:22

Yep, pa, you're allowed to use them. Now you can use I'm not going to say any names you can use conibears in New Jersey but they have to be below the high tide mark in total water in like a lake or something. They have to be below the waterline. Um, I have known of guys and I do know a guy that has taken a coni bear a coni bear 110, a coni bear 220 and put a pan on it oh, there is nothing illegal about it as long as it's below the waterline yeah, yeah, that's the state doesn't differentiate from a puddle to a pond or tidal water to the bay man you would catch.

Speaker 2: 46:04

You would catch so many damn raccoons with a pan trap versus you know we do we do get to use the dog proofs which?

Speaker 3: 46:12

are pretty good.

Speaker 4: 46:13

Yeah, I've only um, so far we've had. He had one slip last year. I had one slip last year. Yeah, I posted it on the marsh boys account, if you. If you scroll down the last raccoon I caught, I had a, I had a slip. So what happened was, I think, he got it wrapped around the tree and compressed the spring and pulled out. He called himself the next night okay yeah, I had him.

Speaker 4: 46:34

I. I took a little closer look at the paw and it had two dog proof yeah marks on it. Yeah, but yeah, okay, cool man, now we also can use what's called.

Speaker 4: 46:44

I don't know if you ever heard of collarum no they're a pain in the ass to say and I haven't used one yet and there's a 99 percent miss rate. Okay, but what it is is basically they come down and they tug on this. They tug on this little thing and it throws the loop around their head no, no kidding, yep you gotta set it up pretty much perfect.

Speaker 2: 47:10

It's nuts so it's almost like a survival spring snare, basically, with a bend over limb and then a loop is there. So as the animal comes into it, it triggers it and pulls their head Pretty much, yeah Cool, but yeah, trapping's definitely become second to waterfowl on my list.

Speaker 4: 47:27

I love trapping Really. Yeah, yeah, especially now that I've got my otter. It's something I want to do every year.

Speaker 3: 47:35

Once you get set up, it's like almost exciting, going out and checking Every day, every single day. It's like Christmas. You don't know if you've got something or not.

Speaker 2: 47:42

Did you get the otter mounted?

Speaker 4: 47:44

I'm going to yep. I took it to Jersey. I took it to my local guy that does all my tanning and skinning and flushing and all that. I have everything to do. It's just it's very time-consuming if you want to do urine stuff. So I found a guy that does it and he took my otter and actually February 22nd I have to take it to the state and they have to stamp the inside of the hide and then they take the carcass.

Speaker 4: 48:13

You're not allowed to keep the carcass off of an otter I want to say you can't keep the carcass off a beaver either, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Speaker 2: 48:17

Really.

Speaker 4: 48:18

Really.

Speaker 1: 48:19

That's interesting.

Speaker 4: 48:21

Yep, they do research purposes on the otter carcass.

Speaker 2: 48:24

So New York State, just to give you a little bit. I shot a bobcat with the bow up where I deer hunted when I was running my beagles and I was afraid that that bobcat would kill my beagles. So you know, I took the bobcat out. It was a beautiful cat, 27 pounds. I took it. I had to go to the New York City DECU office, which is about 20 minutes from here. This was during COVID right. So I walk in, I got the mask on and this is that, these two young. So I walk in, I got the mask on and this and that these two young biologists come down. Young kid, barely just out of college. So I take it out of the bag. I let him look at it and I said, oh, do you want to know where I shot it? No, no, I said you don't know. I said, do you?

Speaker 3: 49:05

want to wait, no.

Speaker 2: 49:07

So he's got this round plastic ring, a tag with a metal clip on it. He's going to shove it through the air. I said whoa, wait a second. I said put that in the foot, or something. I said I'm getting this cat mounted. I said don't, don't ruin my mouth. You're going to put a hole in something I don't need you to put a hole in. Yeah, all right. So I it. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 49:28

So I said can I ask you guys something? Yeah, I said what the hell was the point of me coming down here? You didn't write anything down about the weight, you didn't give a shit where I killed it and you didn't care how I killed it or how much it weighed. I said what, what it's just, you're just going through the steps of having a seal of pelt, what they call seal of pelt, and that's it and that's it was like, yeah, I said what a complete waste of time. I would have rather gave you some history on where the animal came from. And you know, nope, nope, we just got to put this on. And blah, blah, blah, go on your way. I was like, oh my gosh, what a waste of time.

Speaker 3: 49:57

It's fine.

Speaker 1: 50:00

And that's the one thing I like about bear hunting here in New Jersey and you have to go, bring it to the biologist and you get to see them work and they're, they're taking all the measurements. They'll pull a tooth, like they're doing, and like, if they, if the bears tag, they will tell you exactly where this bear. And they, they know that, like the history of the bear, like with with peyton's bear, they're like, oh, they're saying all these things, like, yeah, this bear originally came from here. Yada, yada, yada. Um, we tagged it when it was this age. Um, all these things.

Speaker 1: 50:31

And it's like, oh, that's pretty cool, american mike. They're like, oh, yeah, we, you know, we, we know this bear, you know this, you, you shot this bear here and mike was like, wow, it was like they knew exactly where the hell I shot this bear at. Like that, see, that's pretty cool. And like now, how everything's done. Online you don't get that same engagement because you know, you know you can tell it's like back in there you had to bring it. You know, somewhere they had the check-in station and you know, yeah, from everyone, from the movies and people you talk to and everything like that, like it was a proud time, like, you gained a lot of experience with your big buck and everybody's like hey, check him out you had the bragging rights, yeah, you don't?

Speaker 4: 51:13

I mean, you do get it with social media to a part, but like I said I now when I, when I started deer hunting, they still had the check-in stations and and, like I said, they still had I mean, I'm sure mike remembers in new jersey when you had to be your three separate licenses um, you know now it's a firearms license and a bow license, but anyway, and then back to that point where you had check-in stations. You know, right down the road where I buy all my licenses was a check-in station and I remember as a kid going there and seeing four or five trucks of guys looking at each other's bucks and, you know, even does, and everything like that. There was a really cool camaraderie and that little piece of it's gone, which you know. To another point, I think that's why everybody's still hanging onto these deer clubs. Yeah, because there is that camaraderie with the hitch post out front and all the deer hanging yeah, and letting everybody driving by see, and it's awesome to see.

Speaker 2: 52:01

Well, you know, that's why it's kudos to Mike for taking the time and making the Garden State Outdoorsman podcast, because it kind of brings that that familiar. You know, talk that you'd have around the pickup truck looking at the things.

Speaker 2: 52:14

But you know, we can sit back, we can remember. I mean it's guys like you know, those guys that are bringing these podcasts out, allowing us to get on and do stuff and talk and shoot the shit about you know what we've done in our life. I mean there's, there's a wall there of stories. I can tell you stuff for over an hour, you know, but you got. You got them too, you know. So there's there's your tailgate of your truck, your bed of your truck, and it's cool that we all get together and be able to do this and it's it's a really good thing. I mean, we're not letting it die. I'm just trying to say we're keeping it alive. Even if it's digital or, you know, audio or whatever, we're keeping it alive and that's important.

Speaker 4: 52:50

Yeah, that's the way the world went.

Speaker 1: 52:53

That's where the world went. This is what the world is giving us. This is how we got to. You know, this is how we got to do it. And you're right, swatch, we're not letting traditions die, die it's. It's going to be different. You know, and I can only imagine what it's going to look like in in 10 years from now. You know what I mean. Um, you know. So also, keeping these ultra like hey, you know, I told squash and we're like hey brother, like you got to come down and you know you got to come home.

Speaker 1: 53:18

You know we're, I, we're going to go to frank, we're gonna. You know, frank invited us to his property in new york and everything like that. Um, you and just do stuff together, because it gives some of that old camaraderie and everyone's together and it's like, yeah, when you shoot it, you shoot a deer, like everyone starts to come around, like that. That's what I love about, love about and doing this and it's it's that whole, whole mindset and everyone is really, you know, like, like a lot of guys that we, we hang out with and talk to, like we're all equal-minded people.

Speaker 1: 53:49

Yeah you know, when you know we get, get along, and I'm really excited for you guys to, to meet everyone and everything like that, because then I think you guys are gonna be like, wow, like you know, this is, this is amazing. Like everyone like, if, when you see the crew that's probably going to be coming, we, we all know each other, like, and we've all gotten so freaking close over the last like couple of years where, like it's like we're all family, you know we're all busting each other's chops.

Speaker 1: 54:17

We're all helping each other. We're always doing like it's like a big old family. And that's exactly when I want to keep going and you know, I'm really excited for you guys to join and everything like that, and see and and be a part of this, um, a part of this family and everything like that, because I mean it's a blast what's funny is oh, go ahead sorry um, I was gonna say, with the whole podcast thing, like we we're on episode 120, next week will be 121 and wow and and it's, it's.

Speaker 4: 54:45

It's been one of the coolest things I've ever done.

Speaker 3: 54:47

Um a lot of great people.

Speaker 4: 54:49

From it I mean shane's plug riley from headlope and waterfowl is one of our best friends now. Lance lance from bucks county boys that we're affiliated with, is an awesome guy. Mike we met mike through the if, if we never did a mike uh podcast, we never would have hit mike up. Um, jeff coats, you know, the one of the biggest sea duck guys in the world. He's become a huge friend of ours and you know not to be name dropping or anything, but just like guys like him Jeff Stanfield, stuff like that it's just been amazing to make these connections and do stuff like this and now being able to join you on your podcast and and do the whole locker room talk and just bs about hunting and what we love to do, and, um, that's been the biggest part of it. I mean we could shoot five birds a year but if I get, if we get to do the podcast 52 times a year, it makes everything so much better.

Speaker 4: 55:35

Um, and and even to that was, you know even guys we went to high school like colby, you know the guy, the, the trapper friend of ours. Um, you know we were always cool, but you know we didn't really talk about this kind of stuff and we have more podcasts and it's a whole new world. And and taking the light to what you can do in south jersey. You know, as to my knowledge, we're the first podcast you know in south jersey and we might be one of the first waterfowl podcast in new jersey and it's just trying to, you know, shine a light, a light. You know exactly what you're doing like shining a light on one of the hidden gems of the world, the outdoors in our state and just telling people about it.

Speaker 2: 56:15

And I think that, oh, go ahead no go ahead. No, I was just going to ask you what was the, what was the toughest thing about you getting started, like when I, when I got doing more on social media and stuff, I was never. I'm 50, I'm gonna be 50 in two days, okay, so I'm not a spring chicken. Social media, all that crap well, that'll be a long time before, hopefully I don't clock no more.

Speaker 2: 56:39

Um, what I was gonna say was you sit there and you look at like everybody was encouraging me to start my own youtube channel. You know, you know they're like oh man, you're always out hunting, you're posting stuff online. You know why don't you start a channel, and it was you're. It's tough on you, man, and the criticism and and oh yeah, striving, striving to, I mean dude, I put my heart and soul and everything, man. And when it comes to hunting and it's like you're putting that out there for everybody's seeing, you're not always putting the good out, you're putting the bad out too. And it, let me tell you something, it's freaking screwed with me hard and I'm just curious was it a? Was it a tough thing for you guys to break out and start doing stuff like that too?

Speaker 4: 57:22

so I'll start and I'll let ryan finish it. Yeah, um, I'm a very social person, yep, but I never had to like put myself out there to the world. And when you turn the camera to yourself, yep, and you're doing it. From that point of view it gets a little nerve-wracking, because you know as much as I've never worried about people, what people thought of me. Now you are worried about what people think of you, and it's tough. There's been plenty of times where we've recorded what full YouTube videos and deleted them because we didn't like a two-minute part of it and we were scared to put it out.

Speaker 4: 57:58

Or it doesn't work out the way you wanted it to yeah. And to backtrack to the otter, that was one of the most nerve-wracking things I've posted. I have yet to post it to a facebook to to a public facebook page to youtube.

Speaker 3: 58:13

That's where a lot of the people that don't understand the world we come from or come out of the woodwork and, yeah, I'll be apart.

Speaker 4: 58:16

I'm not worried about any hunters and stuff like that at all. It's the people that aren't involved in the community. Yes, it's, it's the guys you know because, like I said, very, I would say, ingrained in the waterfowl community and a lot of guys don't understand the trapping world. And that's become a big love for me and Ryan, and it's hard to post that kind of stuff and be like, hey, look what we did to guys that are like whoa, I don't know about that, I mean, but we still do it and we won't shy away from it. But yeah, like I mean, but we still do it and we won't shy away from it. But yeah, like I said, my point was, you know, I made the comment last weekend we were going to record a video and it just didn't work out and I said, hey, I got to go. I got to go, look like a tool bag for 10 seconds. I got to take some products, some product pictures and stuff like that.

Speaker 4: 59:01

You know, and you're doing it with guys that have never done that before. They might post a Snapchat and they're on Instagram, but they're not trying to like and I don't even want to call it bragging but they're not trying to like, make something out of it, so they're not worried about how every goose is lined up or what decoys are in the picture, or getting videos of my dog which is one of my favorite parts of everything is my dog.

Speaker 4: 59:24

Oh yeah, me too, man, I love that dog. But um, yeah, so I mean I'll let you finish out that statement because I know it's a little harder on you so it's the opposite for me.

Speaker 3: 59:34

I am not the most social person. He's always been the social butterfly and I just kind of go do things with him. Okay, and I know the first at least 10 episodes we barely talk, and then we had a pretty big guest come on very early on Between 20 and 30 episodes we started doing our first guest.

Speaker 3: 59:57

And I still didn't have any I still didn't really have the voice yet, I guess would be the best way to say it, like your conversational skills, and he comes on and that that podcast was like pulling teeth, I think. I think after that I really started to think about you know the quality of the conversation and what you're talking about and, for example, not spot burning for an entire episode just to try to relate to something and that's been another great thing.

Speaker 4: 1:00:30

You know, but there was never any barrier between me and ryan. We always talked about what we wanted to talk about. There's no judge. I mean, we talked to each other like an old married couple oh yeah, no, we don't hate each other at all, but, um, it was very, very cool to watch Ryan. I remember we went to a few. We were very much homebodies in high school, but the parties we did go to you went to more than I did.

Speaker 4: 1:00:55

He didn't talk to anybody and stuff like that. And now you're bringing these guys very, very influential people in the outdoor space that you know, even though we don't really haven't seen before, we definitely look up to in some space. You know, even though we don't really haven't seen before, we definitely look up to in in some space. You know, whether it be virtually or connectual reason or something like that, and to watch him grow and talk about these things and open himself up and be more personable. That's been a really cool step too.

Speaker 3: 1:01:21

Like he was worried about me being shy for this podcast I don't think it's been too bad?

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

no, not at all no, you, you've done great. I mean, um, I, I completely get it. I mean I've had, I've had people on that. Just, it's tough having them on for the most part. What? What episode are we even on? 200 or 200 and something I can't even remember right now, but I'd say I'd say probably only five episodes where the guest was like very, I don't even know, I don't know if it was shy, but just didn't want to really open up where it's like you're, you're trying to pull stuff out of them. But for the most part, a lot of people let the conversation flow and I make that very clear to a lot of people like, oh, is this scripted? No, we don't script our stuff, because you know what, to me, this is what people want. They want the thing to flow. Whatever is coming out is whatever is coming out, and I think both of you guys have done a phenomenal job on your guys' podcast. Now you're coming here on here and everything like that, and it's not the easiest thing to get used to.

Speaker 1: 1:02:28

I talk about all the time. You know I'm actually I'm giving the reins this show just to some of our Jersey guys, like I'm giving them the reins and everything like that to, to host the show and everything like that. Like, and I feel like I I love my guys, I fully trust my guys, like there's, you know, this group of guys that I have. They're, they're amazing and I wouldn't do that if it wasn't. But, you know, I understood, like, and maybe in the beginning, like, oh, you know you're a little shy and everything like that. Now everyone has their own page. You know, we work on all the stuff from boondocks to to the squashes page, the Frank's page, everything like that, where everyone is now so used to talking on here. They're going on instagram lives, they're going on other people's uh podcasts and squatches. Squatch does two podcasts he does ours and he does white tail advantages podcast, another crew that we're.

Speaker 2: 1:03:17

You know that we're close to and I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to bail soon. I do which I do know that you gotta go you gotta go now record for them.

Speaker 1: 1:03:25

But but you know you get so used to it and once you that 20, 25 episode mark, I feel you just it becomes second nature. And now you guys have been doing it for so long Like, okay, hey, this is what we got to go do. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And here we go, it's another day at the office.

Speaker 2: 1:03:44

And what's cool about that? Like he said, whitetail Advantage on his show. We support him too. He's like a brother to our show also, and we all work together. We help each other out. There's no looking down our nose to spite our face with anything. Absolutely, we work together, man, and it's one key thing I've explained to everybody since I've started doing this stuff we're more powerful together than we are on our own.

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

And you can travel so much further in that big lake of everybody just kind of you know stuff out there and us trying to do it all by ourself and it's it's a nice thing, it's a really nice thing to see this great camaraderie and on this point, guys, I very nice to meet the both of you. I hope to see more from you. Mike, thank you for having me on for the short time. I wish I could hang a little bit longer, but I gotta jump on the other podcast and go do your thing before you go I do have one question.

Speaker 2: 1:04:40

Thank you, thank you guys. Thank you for your time and have a great night and the rest of you.

Speaker 1: 1:04:43

Oh, wait, squad, you got. You got. One more question for you. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 1:04:45

One question for you has anybody told you you have a great night and the rest of your week? Oh wait, squatchy we've got one more question for you. Oh, go ahead, I've got one question for you.

Speaker 2: 1:04:49

Has anybody told you you have a radio voice, thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:52

You have a very good radio voice. Yeah, oh cool, I told him?

Speaker 4: 1:04:54

Have I heard him? On a commercial or something before.

Speaker 2: 1:05:01

Oh hey, thank you so much, Right here man.

Speaker 1: 1:05:02

Listen, guys, I know he's got to go Squatchy. I'll talk to him. If you guys haven't checked out, check out his episode that he did with his first episode with us. Listen, I did no hosting whatsoever. I introduced him and that was it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:18

It was done after that.

Speaker 1: 1:05:19

He talked the whole and he was apologizing after I go. No, that is what I want I go. I got to sit back like like I was a listener, kick my feet up and just sit here and listen the whole entire time. I even have to come up with questions.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

I'm going. Should I keep going? Mike said keep going, keep going, keep going. I'm like I got off the podcast and I'm like I said to my wife. I was like I don't think that guy's ever gonna talk to me again. I just like wrote this show and she's like what? And I'm like he just kind of like let me run the show. And I'm like, but he liked it, and she goes well. And then a couple of weeks later he's like hey, would you join the team? And I'm like hell yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:05:56

It was great, it was absolutely great. I appreciate you, brother.

Speaker 4: 1:06:05

I appreciate you All right.

Speaker 2: 1:06:07

Yep, Take care man.

Speaker 1: 1:06:12

So boys, a few more, you know.

Speaker 4: 1:06:15

Yeah, we got time.

Speaker 1: 1:06:17

For you know, brian, we, we, we got your. You know how you got into it, ryan. How about you? Like what, what got you? You know when you finally did get into it. You know what was. What was the toughest thing for you about waterfowl hunting getting into waterfowl hunting and if there's some advice out there for people trying to new hunters getting into the waterfowl grind, like what, what could you give them?

Speaker 3: 1:06:43

Um, so I've had the. I feel like I've had the same thing that I'm focused on when I'm asked this question and it progressively gets better every year focus on connecting with one bird. I know it's exciting when a whole bunch of them come in and you just blast into the flock and hope for the best. But this year I slowed down and I aimed down the barrel the correct way and I picked out one burn and I would say about 70 of the time I I will hit. I might not bring it down, but it'll be pretty close and it was nice this year because what the original two years I would shoot something I'd look over and brian was that me and because, like I wasn't, I wasn't sure, but this year I'm starting to see like when it actually is and it's really rewarding. So I would say, try to calm yourself down when that moment hits, when they fly through and and I mean obviously I'm still not perfect at it either I still get excited and we'll blast into the block occasionally.

Speaker 4: 1:07:49

Well, I remember when I first sunk in, so I had talked about going on that trip with Jeff Coach. This year we went on the trip with Jeff Coach. It was me, him, my dad, my cousin, my uncle, which was really cool. And we were on the ride up and I don't know if it was in a parking lot or whatnot, but I I, I basically yelled at him. I said yo, enjoy this. Slow down, realize what you're doing from loading a shell, picking your gun. Slow down and pick your bird out. And we got in the car afterwards and he was like I know I shot like two of those birds and that was awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:08:26

Yeah words, and he was like I know I shot like two of those birds and that was awesome, yeah, and like even seeing the hail mary shot from not last weekend but the weekend before oh yeah, juice, that was way up in the air like yeah, don't you?

Speaker 1: 1:08:37

don't you love those dude? Those hail mary shots are great, like I love it when you just freaking, send it ryan ben, move, move your head to the left.

Speaker 4: 1:08:46

Yeah, that, gadwall right, there was a was one of my first ducks I shot. That was a hail mare. That was like a 70-yard shot. I was like last shell ow and it fell and I was like, oh okay, all right, that's going on the wall.

Speaker 1: 1:08:59

I love it. I love it, justin. So one of the times wherein literally just sent it this year, we run into the blind and I go to sit down but I'm I'm focusing because this bird just came out and it was a solo, just came out of absolutely nowhere and we're like, oh, he's committed, like he was full on, he was cupped and everything. So I was like all right, I thought I fall back and I I just absolutely eat shit. And this bird just coming all of a sudden, you just see him raise it and it just literally plopped, literally right in front of us and it's just like you just love it. I wish you could have made it tonight.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

Zach also, and one of our newest team members. He went on for the first time waterfowl hunting this year and I'll tell you his the first day he came out, no, didn't get a chance to shoot. We me and we only got two birds. The wind was. The wind was so rough and they just could not. You would just see them, they would give a twist and turn. They're trying to, they're trying to get down. They just they couldn't get down. We shot two and that was it. So the next time he comes out with us.

Speaker 1: 1:10:06

You know, we're, we're all there, we, we got these birds coming in and it's two brand new hunters for waterfowl. They're sitting right, once to my left, once to my right and you know like, all right, these first wait, we're just going to let the new guys, we're going to let the new guys shoot, we're going to hold off, right. So I got the camera, I'm filming and everything like that. All of a sudden, the guy you're like all right, shoot, shoot, shoot. The guy to my right just starts blasting away and I'm like why the fuck is this guy not shooting right next to me? That's not shooting right. He aimed down this site, actually took his time and finally the last, the last bird that was getting away one shot, just dropped it right out the freaking sky. And you know that was his first time, I think, um, because second, second or third time shooting gum, but that was his first shell shooting at an actual bird and he knocked it down. And you know he, what you brought up, is calming down, like that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

I wasn't like that. It's so overwhelming, ducks, when you got that many, it's very overwhelming. Ducks. Geese, when you got that many, it's very overwhelming, and I never took that time in the beginning to as well. All right, let's take a deep breath, let's aim down the sights. It's like I would just, I would just start shooting. You know, it's fun. It is fun sometimes, you know, but yeah, I mean, I'm sure.

Speaker 4: 1:11:23

I'm sure you know so, like with deer hunting a lot of times. Yeah, I mean I'm sure, I'm sure you know so, like with deer hunting a lot of times. And I mean even you know we've talked on my, on our podcast before how I hunt deer. I'm very lazy deer hunter but even even the way you hunt, I mean a lot of times. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you have that time with a deer, see deer prepare for deer, calm down and shoot right. You can go through those motions even if it's a two minute span. A lot, especially with duck hunting with teal, with teal you have 30 seconds to do all of that, if you have 30 seconds.

Speaker 4: 1:11:57

30 seconds is a long shot, you know, geese are a little easier. They're going to work for you. You're going to watch them come in. It takes a little longer, but and I mean you and then at that point you're also watching 60 birds come to you, yeah, yeah yeah, and granted, I know how I'm speaking of that.

Speaker 4: 1:12:11

I just got a trail camera notification. Um, I have, I I get buck fever on a doe. Even even a six pointer I've shot this year. I shook like a leaf and, but like it's just you compact every single one of those feelings into 15 seconds, 30 seconds, yeah, you know, and it's hard. It took me a long time to do the whole slow down deal. But once you know, once you figure it out, it's something that sticks with you. Like Ryan was saying, once you start connecting and you know what you're doing, it makes it so much more Okay, but granted you don't shoot at a teal, you shoot at the teal.

Speaker 1: 1:12:50

That's the only instance where that works. Yeah, that's fair. The teal and you know the the, you know. Other people use this terminology, I imagine too. But like I always, when people ask me you know about waterfowl and the difference to goose and ducks, I'm like listen, ducks are like fighter jets. They are, they're coming, they're flying. I go ge, they're coming, they're flying. I go geese are big ass bombers. That's, that's all you know. You see them coming, yep. And when you get them committed, it's like ah you, you literally you can take your time, because once they once they're committed, then they're locked up and everything like that.

Speaker 3: 1:13:33

Yeah, they're big nerds, you know, so you have more time than you. You really think. On that last goose hunt and I don't think I told you this the last goose hunt I went on I actually noticed for the first time slowing down like that, their feet actually coming down when they commit. I've never actually I never actually bang like like registered that in any of our previous hunts and I saw their feet go down. I was like yeah, they're gonna do it no matter what.

Speaker 4: 1:13:54

Now ryan I picked that up this morning. With that, I picked that, you know sorry, go ahead, go ahead I said every time now, every time he sees geese like do a 180, he's like they, they're going to do it, they're going to do it.

Speaker 3: 1:14:08

And sometimes I will say it is morning.

Speaker 1: 1:14:12

It's a great thing, you know, and, ryan, you and I have the. You know we, because I'm new in the waterfowl and everything like that. So you and I are on, probably you know, the closer level when it comes to waterfowl. Like I picked up on that this year, like last year. Um, there's so many things that I was learning last year, because last year was my first year, uh, goose hunting, because I think last year is the year where they moved it up to three, before it was, I think the year before that it was one, so we weren't even wasting our time. Yeah, um, so last year was the real year where I got to to goose hunt. So there was so much that I was taking, taking in last year that I didn't even notice, like I, all I knew is to keep my head down to where.

Speaker 1: 1:14:54

This year I knew the things that I could get away with. You know we, especially when your cover is good, you know, and I'm trying to get used to because you know you're calling, you're doing this. I started calling a little bit this year and everything like that. So you're, you're, you're just watching these birds, you're, you're making sure you don't get seen, and everything like that. And just slowly, just that little, and all of a sudden the feet get down. And you know, jesse's like all right, they're committed. Once the feet are out there, they're committed. And you know, after I picked that up I was like now, now the new hunters that better have less experience than me, I go wait, wait, wait, wait. Feet aren't down yet. Hold on, hold on, let's let's. You know, let's wait. And you know, the cool thing is like you got someone who's kind of in charge and lead. Like Justin makes the call and we all, like you know, you guys probably, have someone you know, brian it could be you or whoever you're doing, you're making.

Speaker 1: 1:15:46

Yeah, and you know you're, you're making the call and everything like that, and it's like, all right, you don't do anything until that person makes the call. And boom, when you know, when they say, all right, let's get them, you're, you're up in, you're doing what you need to do, you know, or, or heads down, or you know everyone stopped calling, let him hard, and stuff like that, like I learned a lot of that this year and everything like that. So, ryan, it's the same thing, I imagine for you and it's only going to progress for us and anyone else who's new and getting into it as well.

Speaker 3: 1:16:20

Honestly, I think it was only like a couple more birds than last year. I'd be okay with a couple more birds than this year, next year, until I'm up to where I actually can shoot, If I have the opportunity to get my limit and I actually pull through with it.

Speaker 1: 1:16:34

That's like You've done that.

Speaker 3: 1:16:36

No, I mean without missing, you know, three shells.

Speaker 1: 1:16:40

Yes, three shells.

Speaker 3: 1:16:42

That's impressive.

Speaker 1: 1:16:43

Yeah, that's impressive. If you could do that, that's impressive. I yeah, that's that's impressive if you could do that.

Speaker 3: 1:16:47

That that's. I'm just saying that, like everybody's got their long-term goal with their hobby, like that would be like by the time I'm done and too old to do it, I want to say that I'm able to do that actually the first time I've ever done.

Speaker 4: 1:16:57

It was two weekends ago. Well, I shot three geese with three shells and that was my limit. That's the first time and shoot. I'm waterfowl hunting for 11 years now, nine years now, and that was the first time I've ever done it you know what my goal is next year?

Speaker 1: 1:17:18

because I love bow hunting so much. My arrows made and I am going to kill one with the bow that would be.

Speaker 1: 1:17:25

That would be really cool made and I am going to kill one with the bow. That would be, that would be really cool. I, I just like, and it's not going to become a thing. There's certain animals that deserve you know that you got to use a gun. Waterfowl is 100. It's not going to be the same with the bow.

Speaker 1: 1:17:38

Um, also, I believe, turkey like, I'm going to try to kill a turkey with the bow eventually, but that's going to be something that I strictly just want to use a gun for, like, it's just. It's just that feel, you know. I mean, so I'm not going to be one of those people like, oh, like, I'm going to start using the no right, but to get one. Um, I always want to get at least every animal I hunt with a bow. Um, you know so. So that's the goal, um, and I cannot wait for that. But, um, boys, uh, any, yeah, I, I want you guys back on without a, without a, without a doubt. Um, you guys are definitely coming back on, um, I want to get on one of your journey nights.

Speaker 4: 1:18:15

Not to invite myself.

Speaker 1: 1:18:17

No, we're no, we're no no, but I see, here's the thing don't worry about inviting yourself. I want people, because sometimes I'm sitting there like trying to come up with people who should I ask, who should I ask Listen to. Yet Trivia night is coming back. Once the off season is almost done, we are going to be coming back out with a with trivia night and everything like that. So definitely, definitely going to get you guys on, definitely want to get you guys on on a bunch of more episodes and everything like that. Love talking to you guys, any any last stories that you guys want to talk about, anything specific jumping out at you. You guys could also save it for the next time or like that as well, but anything specific.

Speaker 4: 1:18:56

I mean, I got my otter story out.

Speaker 3: 1:18:58

I think we covered the most exciting parts. I've been floundering trapping so I'm not even going to talk about that.

Speaker 4: 1:19:06

I guess my closing. For the first time we've been on here once again. We met you through the socials and it's been an amazing experience and we were so thankful to have you on our podcast a few months ago and it was a great time. And Joe, just doing it again and again and again, we're going to become closer and conversation is going to get better and you know stuff like that. So we're very grateful for you know, for meeting you and now coming on your podcast and doing this. I hope your listeners really enjoyed, you know, hearing us.

Speaker 4: 1:19:41

But just to reiterate the whole podcast thing, you know we wouldn't have any of this without social media, without podcasts, without, you know, branching our own selves out with it, without exploring our own confidence and stuff like that. And, and I think that makes the outdoor space a little better, um, I think especially, it makes the hunting community in new jersey a little better, because once again, we have one of the biggest hidden gems in the country, I believe. Um, yeah, I'll never. I'll never back down from that statement either. You're a massive deer hunter. You're a massive deer hunter that's now turned into loving waterfowl. We're massive waterfowlers that now turn into loving trapping, and I still love to deer hunt and Ryan has experienced deer hunting now. I mean, if you look behind me, there's a large mouth, a widget, a pin tip or a pheasant and ducks, you know, and soon to be an otter on this wall and that's, you know, the the last words that I will say.

Speaker 1: 1:20:37

And you know, people have heard and I'm going to say, because this is what our podcast is and this is exactly why we are coming out with a new show, because this show needs to only be about focusing about the garden state again. You know, and I and I that's the whole reason why I started the show. I got away from it, obviously, that the show got more popular and I wanted other guests on, but now it's time to bring this show back to the roots, all about, you know, the garden state, new jersey, because you know what we got great deer, we got bear, we got one of the best bear populations and monster bear. You know you got 770,000 black bear, yep, insane Waterfowl. I mean, we didn't even get black ducks. How many black ducks do we have in New Jersey?

Speaker 4: 1:21:25

Oh, wow. So I went on on. Before coastal opened up, I went out and scouted and even even now you can go down there. I mean, you drive down any of these marsh roads. The only duck you see is a black duck. Yep, yeah, and we.

Speaker 3: 1:21:40

I actually you know, pointed it out to me and I drive that I drive this one road home every single day from work. There's three dozen black ducks there every single day, and we, of course, the season's over we met up we met a quick shout out to brian zeon's a foul pursuit code down in north carolina.

Speaker 4: 1:21:57

Him and his wife came up and hunted with me a few weekends ago. We goose hunted and, um, I actually took him, took him and sam to go check out our traps with me and I showed him the coastal marshes of new jersey and he, they were like man, like all the farm fields, because I'm not sure if you venture down here very much, but it's nothing but but cornfields and and stuff like that. I mean it's it's all open farmland and marshes and they were like whoa. And then seeing all the black ducks, like he shot one, I think, this year, last year, um, but it was just like all we saw was black ducks and they were amazing. We had to stop. Every time we saw them we had to stop and I mean it must have took an hour of just stopping and I'm looking at these birds and stuff like that like they were enthralled by it yeah, jersey, jersey got everything.

Speaker 1: 1:22:43

You know we, we really do, and it's one of those things that no one's really going to recognize it Like still. Like you know, people are going to talk about other States and which is which is fine, like whatever. We know what we got and you know I love, I love what we got. And you know I had Maddie butts from from Jersey outdoors. You know the number one podcast episode that we did for 2024, fan voted and downloads this year and he said at best he goes. If I was going to get a property anywhere, it's going to be New Jersey. And I was like you know what? You're right, like if I had, if I was gonna had unlimited money, why not? Because we shit, we've been hunting, we've been deer hunting. Since what's the states we go to? February unlimited does in 2027? They're moving to seven bucks, which I don't agree with.

Speaker 1: 1:23:38

But whatever with you on that right, you know, we got bear hunting, we got, you get waterfowl. Then you we're not even talking about the shore and you know, you know you could go down there and go fish. It's just how can you not say we don't like, we have everything.

Speaker 4: 1:23:55

Most states have one thing we have everything yep, I agree 100, yeah, yeah and, like I said, that and we've we've branched out, you know, through the podcast years've we've branched out. You know, through the podcast years we've we've branched out to talking to national people. But you know, we always seem to bring it back home and we'll get somebody from like right around our area to get on and they always do the best. You know, for the most part yeah, I definitely agree.

Speaker 1: 1:24:20

Well, boys, please let the listeners out there know where they can reach you guys, where they can follow you. Please let the listeners out there know where they can reach you guys, where they can follow you where you can follow the podcast and everything like that.

Speaker 4: 1:24:32

You want me to do it At Marsh M-A-R-S-H underscore boys. On Instagram, tiktok, marsh Boys Outdoors on YouTube, the podcast, the Marsh Boys podcast on Spotify, apple, google, iheartradio everywhere you can get your podcasts. We're on it. We air every Tuesday morning. Mostly it's late Monday night, but we advertise it's Tuesday morning. Yeah, if you like hearing us, come check us out. You know, we would greatly appreciate it. Marshboysoutdoorscom. We have some really cool decals up there. And at the outdoor dinner April 5th, correct? We would greatly appreciate it. Marsh boys outdoorscom. We have some really cool decals up there. Um, and at the outdoor dinner with April 5th, correct?

Speaker 1: 1:25:11

Yes.

Speaker 4: 1:25:12

Yep, um, if you come in and you follow us, the first 20 people that come say hello get free decals. Um, you know, just to, just I love it.

Speaker 1: 1:25:22

I love it. I'm going to make sure you know, well, I'm going to, I'm going to do everything. I'm so excited for this, I'm excited for you guys to come. You know, and everything like that. The tickets will be going on sale in a couple of days, february 1st. So we're officially going to start the sale tickets and everything like that, but really looking forward to meeting. You guys are great guests, great guys. You know it's, it's been amazing and you know things are just starting and you know I definitely we're definitely going to have to link up next year and get a hunt together and everything like that I'm looking forward to that and you know all our listeners out there.

Speaker 1: 1:25:58

Thank you guys so much. Make sure you guys give them a fall. Make sure you guys go listen to their their podcast. We actually drop on the same day, so go listen to theirs and then go to our episode, or vice versa. Whichever way you do, we are dropping on the same day, so make sure you go check out both episodes and we appreciate you guys and we'll see you guys. We'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 4: 1:26:24

Yes, sir, thank you for having us.