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Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast presented by Boondock Hunting.

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That's why your tagline Mike JCL known perfect.

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You don't know what that mountain's going to bring. You don't know what that mountain's going to bring. I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow and a cub and she's like charged and hit the back of the canoe.

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His head hit the ground before his ass did.

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Begging and begging and crying to go with my grandfather, go with my father on these deer drives.

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You know, the last trip over I shot a great Cape Buffalo with my bow Charging bluegrass and then the whooping.

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And then you hear a body drop.

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Welcome everybody to the Garden State Outdoorsman Podcast. I am your host, frank Mastica.

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I'm your co-host, Mike Nitre.

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And today we have a very special guest, Mr Ryan Canton. Ryan, welcome to the show.

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What's happening, guys? Thanks for having me on here.

Speaker 1: 0:57

Welcome back Ryan.

Speaker 2: 0:58

Yep, Sorry about the mix-up earlier. It's all good though.

Speaker 1: 1:06

Funny thing, everyone Frank screwed up and forgot to hit the record button, but we only got like five minutes in, so it's all good.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Yep, thank God I realized it early. Hey, it's only my second one doing the host, so You're doing better than me Real quick.

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don't mind that I'm eating.

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Go for it.

Speaker 1: 1:21

Bianca got a banoffee. Banoffee how do you say it? Banoffee banoffee pie. It's her favorite, but you know I have no choice but to eat this now, since it's already past the time where I eat um, so I can't wait any later, so I'm gonna be stuffing my mouth full of don't need a high co-host exactly take it away frank right.

Speaker 2: 1:45

So, Ryan, welcome to the show. I appreciate you coming on bud. I appreciate having me here man, absolutely so, ryan, let's do this again. So why don't you give us a little background on you, like how you got brought into it? Just the floor is yours, so just start wherever you want I'm here.

Speaker 3: 2:07

I hunt almost exclusively in new jersey. I spent a little bit of time out in the midwest in iowa, so I was hunting big when I was out there, for sure. But I've been hunting here for 25 years, fishing since I could walk, uh really exploring every inch of new jersey that I could venture over in a pa. A little bit for the fishing and stuff, but not so much of the hunting. A lot of deer hunting. I got a dog, so I do a lot of bird hunting, small game hunting and that kind of thing, and then just always outside tromping through the woods, shed hunting right now getting ready for the spring run for the striped bass and the shad to start up. So there's always something to be doing outside. I know you guys were talking turkey earlier. That's one thing I haven't gotten into. I'm out there and see what's going on and feel like I could put it together. I just haven't followed through on that one yet yeah, yeah, no, definitely it's.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Uh, you know it's big season. I haven't, actually I haven't even been out scouting yet for turkey. I know it's. It's getting close. So for me it will start um april 26th up by me because I only do period a for jersey but um, I'll basically be mostly focusing on hunting um our state, um our property, upstate new york. So that starts may 1st, so I'm looking forward to that. I haven't even been there scouting, but I know I usually always have turkeys up there, so, and I know Mike just got out today, so he's all pumped and ready to go.

Speaker 1: 3:36

Yep, yep, I'm looking to get my first bird. Uh. So, ryan, I mean I just I've dabbled in turkey hunting in the past and I can really never say I was a turkey hunter. Last year I fully committed, got the scouting done, was scouting actual birds and seeing sign and actually got on I think almost every hunt I was on birds. I just couldn't close a deal. I missed one bird. I misjudged the range and it was a little farther than I thought it was shot under it. So it's kind of like you, like I just didn't do it. Yep. So I mean now I can say I don't want to. You know I get. You know it's hard. It must be hard, especially for you. You do a lot of salt water fishing, you know you, you fly fish and everything like that. Like to throw turkeys in there. And now also I gotta say congratulations on on your, uh, your second child, correct?

Speaker 3: 4:36

yeah yeah, putting a little damper on some of the hobbies, but hey welcome to the club.

Speaker 1: 4:43

I don't know if your, your wife, might kill you if you pick up another hobby like turkey, because it is. I will say, once you learn it and you, you understand it and you get on birds, like I can understand why people it's, it's a lot of fun. The only cool thing is like you have till 12 and that's it yeah, yeah 100. I really should do it, I mean, I've got diaphragms and slate calls laying around.

Speaker 3: 5:06

I've got all the camo and gut the thing I need. I don't have decoys or nothing, but like I don't know, it's just if I'm gonna do it. I want to like really get into it and do it and I don't have that kind of time right now listen.

Speaker 2: 5:18

No, I get it. But I'm telling you what, once you do get into it, once you hear that first gobble in the morning, oh man, you're going to be hooked.

Speaker 3: 5:27

I could get you fired up. Yeah, I know, I mean just calling and playing around. It's like that's what I'm worried about, because then I get hooked on it and I'm like balls deep and that's all I want to do all spring.

Speaker 2: 5:39

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:41

So this time of year, yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 5:45

So this time of of year, what do you mostly focus on? I know we talked a little bit you were telling me about you know you go out there, you look for mushrooms and you know, I know that you're a big fly fisherman and all that. So why don't you give us a little background?

Speaker 3: 6:01

I do a lot of fly fishing, trout fishing, mostly with the fly rod, uh, freshwater bass fishing. I do a couple of the local like bass leagues with one of my buddies on Sundays and then really the last five, six years most of my time has been spent straight bass fishing, whether uh from the shore out in the kayak.

Speaker 3: 6:19

I've been out a couple times this spring already. Hop on a friend's boat any chance I get and then uh come, like april, into may, when I got a few select days, I'll go hit my spots and go out mushroom hunting. But my shed hunting's starting to wrap up and I'm pretty much geared up for, uh, the striped bass right now yeah, no, I hear you, I haven't even, I haven't even been out before, real quick, before we move on.

Speaker 1: 6:44

When you go out for mushrooms for somebody who doesn't know how to do it and then also anyone who's looking to get into it what is one of your recommendations? Where should you look? Are you just walking out? Are there specific spots like maybe a more sunnier area or maybe a more shady area?

Speaker 3: 7:08

specific spots, like maybe a more sunnier area, maybe a more shady area there's. That's both viable options at different times of the season. Depends on what type of mushrooms you're looking for too. I mean you kind of it's like deer hunting and fishing. You get that that feel like it's the right spot, and that's the same kind of thing that's based on the plants and the soil and everything's there. Learning your trees, trees I think your tree identification would be your best help in trying to find mushrooms Like different mushrooms, like different species of trees. I know the morels, the big ones. They really like apple trees and elm trees, the ash trees they used to like them a lot but they're starting to become more and more scarce. But look for trees that aren't quite a hundred percent healthy. If they're like a little bit dying, then you know some kind of fungus is there attacking it and feeding off really worth a look very interesting

Speaker 1: 7:56

I, I know I, I did not know that at all. That's a pretty interesting take. I uh, yeah, how'd you get into that? Like so, like how? How did you like? Was that something your, your family, you know, passed down from generations, like something?

Speaker 3: 8:11

I heard about my mom and stuff doing it like on her family farm in wisconsin growing up and then we find a few as kids and like we get excited when we found them and then I never really did it much growing up and then as time progressed and I learned more about the outdoors and the wonderful world it is. It was like something to go and look for and something else to hunt pass some time get get into?

Speaker 2: 8:39

yeah, no, because I told you my, uh, my uncle does it. I just I never got into it. He just kind of goes off and does his own thing and now, like I know, um one of my other buddies, he goes, but I don't. He's not that familiar with the trees, so I know he uses like a bunch of apps and stuff that they have now to go out there and try to find things. I mean, now you don, I mean there's basically an app for everything you know, I don't even trust those apps half the time.

Speaker 3: 9:08

You can take the same picture three times and it gives you something different. That's sketchy, yeah really. But doing your research. Some of them are pretty good. They usually help get you close and a lot of times they're right.

Speaker 1: 9:26

But that one time that they're not right wouldn't be the time.

Speaker 3: 9:30

Yeah, not, I wouldn't want to chance it. Yeah, especially with mushrooms, gosh forbid. Yeah, most of them are. I mean, if you aren't sure, then just leave it there. There's a handful, they are pretty easy to identify that what?

Speaker 3: 9:38

you're looking for the morels, the oyster, mushrooms, we get some other stuff. That's pretty cool, but that's like fishing and hunting. It says, as the spring goes and summer turns into fall, there's something different to look for, something different to chase, and it's all. It's all connected to. You kind of get in a loop of just all right, it's this time of year, time to do this yep, it's time of year of different people.

Speaker 2: 10:01

You know a lot of people. They got their own things that they like to do.

Speaker 3: 10:07

Look in the back of somebody's truck and you're like I know what they're doing right now for the next month or something.

Speaker 2: 10:13

Yeah, they look at my truck, they're like, oh my God, he's definitely on it.

Speaker 2: 10:21

But yeah, I mean it's easy, you know, especially especially this time of year, because I actually this year is actually the first year in a while that my wife's like, hey, like I want to go trout fishing, like you're taking me, so that got me pumped to take her out. So now I'm gonna, you know, kind of focus on having her and, uh, her and and, um, my son go fishing, cause you know, usually when I take them it's all, it's usually all about them, right, so I just enjoy them having fun. I put all the pressure on myself to take them to the right spot so they catch fish and, you know it, it definitely could be a lot, but you, you know the deal, I mean pretty soon, you know your kids are going to be out there, you know, driving you crazy, just like mine.

Speaker 3: 11:06

Oh yeah, I mean you do it for yourself, you put the pressure on, but when you're trying to get other people into it, or clients and friends and family, then you really start putting it on yourself.

Speaker 1: 11:17

No, absolutely, I think it's a different pressure when you're doing that for sure.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Yeah, yeah, I definitely feel it so, but I know um, ryan, I saw that you you do do a lot of deep sea fishing like I've never been. So do you like, only do, like um? Do you do charters? Do you go by like offshore, like how? How do you usually approach it?

Speaker 3: 11:41

I grew up like going out on the, the head boats and the charter boats which I'll still go on with my father like every summer, just out of nostalgia. But uh, surf fishing's been my big thing the last few years, so walking on the beach and trying to find whatever target fish we're looking for it's usually striped bass we're trying to catch and figure out where they're hiding and hanging out, and just the challenge of catching them at night from the shore it's kind of cool kayak helps a lot get out and scout in the kayak fish of that the night.

Speaker 3: 12:12

Yeah, new york city in the background, it's pretty surreal yeah, no, it sounds it.

Speaker 2: 12:18

You know, I guess it wouldn't be for me because I'm not a big ocean person. But uh, you know, I would definitely. If I ever tried it, it would probably be like a charter first and see if I could do it first.

Speaker 1: 12:31

I keep saying I'm going to do it. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 12:36

What's that I keep saying?

Speaker 1: 12:38

I'm going to do like um, you know, get more into saltwater fishing. But like, think you know something, what you even said. You know you go on the, you know the shoreline and everything like that. I know that, especially for stripers, like that's been a really big thing. Like, um, do you do any? Um shark fishing too as well?

Speaker 3: 12:58

uh, I've done it a handful of times. I've visited a buddy down in florida. We caught like a nine ten foot hammerhead the one night I was driving a boat down for work to drop off and hit him up that night I'm like let's go out and fish. He had the drone and the rods and everything. We did it down there. That was a pretty cool experience and we'll catch him every once in a while if we're chunking off the front beach here. Little stuff Went out.

Speaker 2: 13:28

I caught a big mako. That was probably 10 years ago now 110 that was cool.

Speaker 3: 13:33

Wow, what's the fight like on one of those? It's got to be crazy. It's what? Yeah, that was nuts. It like was launching, I mean clear out of the water tail, like everything airborne and just shaking. I don't even my buddy like you're kind of like buckled into a little a belt and you're strapped in semi. But I like went to pull, my friend grabbed my pants. He thought I was like going in. I'd like I got it, but it put, put me through my aces. I mean that probably took me half hour 45 minutes to reel the thing in I mean your arms must have been dead after that I mean.

Speaker 3: 14:05

So that's the thing you got the harness and your straps in so you can kind of like squat and start to use your legs and like use leverage and a little mechanical advantage. The rods are built to do their thing. They take a lot of that force out once you figure out how to use all your gear properly no, it's all right, that's good enough. I'm going to have the thing in 15 minutes I know I couldn't do that hey, never, never, never say

Speaker 2: 14:35

never. Oh, that's true right never that's true. Never say never. Let's talk pheasant, now again so like. I was going through instagram and I saw that you had a truckload of pheasants and I've two hunted pheasants quite a bit in my time, so I was just wondering um do you hunt like state land? Are they stock birds? Do you go to preserves like? Give us the background on that a little bit a little bit all of it.

Speaker 3: 15:04

Some of the older pictures were with my springer that was out in iowa. Those were all public land free range birds, which is pretty cool there's. I mean they were everywhere. It was unreal. And then, uh, I have a lab here that I hunt with a lot. I do a lot of public land hunting, um during the weekdays in the mornings with my friends when they stock up at uh p quest and up at flat broke and stuff. And then, uh, I'm actually fortunate I work at a preserve. I help manage, uh, a large farm piece of property that we have a commercial shooting preserve at. So I do a lot of the guiding there and uh during the season for that, which actually just wrapping up, we got a couple more days technically of the season and then we're done for a little while nice?

Speaker 2: 15:44

no, because I've too also hunted, uh, flatbrook quite a bit, and I probably ran into you at some point in time past you, you know so because, um, every time I went um, none of us have dogs.

Speaker 3: 15:58

So yeah, you're looking at the dog right here, you know. So I've been there before a lot of times they run.

Speaker 2: 16:05

Well, you know the deal that they run you don't see them, or whatever.

Speaker 3: 16:08

So even with the dogs, they get out ahead and run and run it's.

Speaker 2: 16:12

It's something else watching a good dog work getting to turn a bird or stop a bird for you yep, and sometimes they just hold so tight you know you walk right by them and you don't even see them plenty of times, even with the dog.

Speaker 3: 16:24

I'll walk right by and you'll see the dog, like when they catch wind or scent. I have a flushing dog so he'll turn his head and quarter real hard and like kind of start looking, trying to hone in on that, and I'll be like no, no, no, because we already walked by it with six guys and everybody's just standing there.

Speaker 1: 16:40

He'll go back he'll go back.

Speaker 3: 16:42

He'll go back. I'll try and yell at him and then, before you know it, there pops a hen bird out of the grass that was just laying there.

Speaker 1: 16:48

I'm like I knew I should have trusted you, but whatever so quick question so work, what is it like working on a preserve, like what are what are some of the, some of the things that you do like on a day-to-day basis and like if you're you're taking out clients and stuff like that kind of.

Speaker 3: 17:03

Give us that that breakdown of what that looks like um, I mean so the preserves just part of it, like I do all the maintenance and grounds and got a crew guy or a crew of guys that takes care of the property and then we'll have big shoots, uh like driven bird releases on the weekends and then after that we'll have guys either with their own dogs or members who are there that want to go on a guided hunt and they'll ask and sign up through administration stuff and I mean I'm pretty friendly and know most of the people now go out and do walk-up hunts and it's it's pretty cool experience. We got river, we take the guys fishing, we do a little bit of everything deer hunting on the farm, that's pretty cool yeah, I like that I like that

Speaker 1: 17:46

a lot I would like to get back into pheasant hunting. I actually won out of raffle and p? Um america mike, from back to him productions, they, they did a raffle and the only thing I put in for I put 200 in for the pheasant hunts and I won. So I have two. I have two pheasant hunts. I didn't have time to get it done this year, so definitely next year I will be, we'll be doing them and everything like that. And I would love to get back into, you know, pheasant hunting and going out one. I definitely would want a dog for that, um yeah, I'm tired of just just doing it, you know, by, by yourself.

Speaker 1: 18:20

But like doing in new jersey, I like I've almost gotten shot a few times. So like what for you, the biggest change from iowa to new jersey? I mean, that is completely two opposite ends of the of the spectrum.

Speaker 3: 18:33

When you're, when you're talking about not even publicly, yeah, yeah, I mean it's world war three out there in the trenches in new jersey. Any, it doesn't matter what stocking day it is, usually there's guys lined up in the dark in the fields and it's fun. I still do it with my friends. We try and I mean everybody's safe. I've never seen an incident happen for as many times as I've been out there. But it's, you hear shot raining through the trees and there's guys going in every different direction and out west. I mean there's. You're ditch hunting and road hunting a lot of the time and then hunting these big hundreds and of acres of crp land with thousands of acres of cut corn around it, with nothing. So it's you know the birds are there and it's you and a couple buddies and you walk into a field or shut your car door too loud and 200 birds get up and fly away I couldn't, I couldn't even imagine.

Speaker 2: 19:22

You don't even know which bird they aim at. No, so you can't shoot like waterfowl hunting.

Speaker 3: 19:27

It's cool. So you start having to pick them out so you can't shoot the hens and then the roosters. It's like you end up trophy hunting hunting. What if you got enough birds around? You're like, all right, those tail feathers aren't that long, those ones aren't that long. All right, there's a big bird and you get these 26, 28, 28-inch, 30-inch tail feathers of three, four, five-year-old birds. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 19:47

I couldn't even imagine.

Speaker 3: 19:49

I've got them in a tree.

Speaker 2: 19:52

Go ahead.

Speaker 3: 19:53

I shot 31 birds the last year I was out there and I got all their tail feathers still saved, or one from each bird saved in like a little glass jar on a mantel Pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 20:02

That is pretty cool. What's the limit like out there? Because I know jersey, it's only two a day yeah, it was three a day and three a day over there. Yeah, but still I couldn't even imagine, because most of the birds you know you get here, some of them don't even have pale feathers by the time you see it, you know there's stock the night before.

Speaker 3: 20:23

We're lucky if the birds make it a couple days with all the predators and stuff around. I mean you walk the fields and you see dead birds there from the owls the night before whacking them and they're flying out in the field. But getting a dog that's I mean hunting it's fun for them. But once you do enough and then you get the dog, it's just about figuring the dog out and that relationship and watching them work and seeing all the cool stuff you can get them to do.

Speaker 2: 20:47

Yeah, for me, because actually I bought a dog for that specific reason. She's a German short hair pointer, but I never. I planned on training her but I just I didn't have the time. And you know, the schools we're having kids are just so fricking expensive. I'm like I don't know if I do enough pheasant hunting to pay for that kind of school. If I'm only going to take her out a couple of times, you know so.

Speaker 3: 21:16

Now it's a put the time in. I mean that's what it really is, that first year getting a dog put the time in. I mean that's what it really is, that first year getting a dog. If you don't commit to it, it's you're kind of stepping in a bucket and trying to play catch up from there. But it makes a huge difference. Like I don't even care about shooting them. I could stand at a field and wait for people who didn't shoot any birds. Be like, let's go back out and go find you a couple, and I'd be happy as could be that's awesome.

Speaker 3: 21:41

Yeah, well see, we need more hunters like you I mean, that's like that's the end game of it.

Speaker 2: 21:47

That's more people we get hunting and the more hunters you have, the more the sport can flourish and get to do it forever yeah, because I mean I mean you know like hunting state land a lot of times, like you'll get to certain spots and there's like there's guys already sitting under the branch with the birds just waiting for just waiting for that shooting time.

Speaker 2: 22:08

You know, first thing in the morning, yeah, yep, and then you know if they even see you pull up, if they're in the truck, you just see everybody get out and it, you know it gets competitive, you know it does I mean that's?

Speaker 3: 22:20

it's kind of part of the lure for me is to see like it's bad, but it's funny and like kind of comical.

Speaker 3: 22:26

And then like I get enough time to go out and hunt on with more birds or I can go and buy some birds because I have access to them and then bring them out and stock them once everybody's gone. I do that more often than anything. That's cool. Pick up a half a dozen truck here and wait till everybody clears out and find a kid and his dad or something like that and go plant them in the field and work the dog. It's a lot.

Speaker 2: 22:50

It's pretty fun see that that's really awesome, that that's really cool, because you know, just seeing, you know how, how the kids are with it, and especially, like we all, we all want to get kids into the sport. Because you know it's there's there's nothing like it. Like I can't wait till my son's old enough so I can like start taking them, like I try to right now incorporate him and everything that I do, and I'm sure you know I saw you try to do the same, you know. So it's there's just there's nothing like it. And I remember as a kid doing the youth days and I mean it was just fun you know there's no other way to explain it and just having those volunteers there to, like you know, just bring their dogs and just want, want to see the kids do it, it's it awesome yeah, I haven't done that.

Speaker 3: 23:42

Like the program, I think you're talking about the one with the state but good friend of mine. He's been doing it for gosh 10, 15 different years with a couple of different dogs throughout their lifetimes now, and it's that's what kind of like got me to like want to get into it, yeah, no definitely I mean you have because it's.

Speaker 2: 24:01

I mean there's nothing like and just seeing the kids. You know the look on the kids' faces and everything.

Speaker 3: 24:06

It's just I did a uh like a kids fishing clinic thing with uh Muskie's Inc. This past it's like I guess it was last May, last June over at uh, Hackett's Town Fish Hatchery.

Speaker 3: 24:19

And we did like a classroom kind of scenario and taught them a bunch and tore the warm water hatchery there. And then we went out to one of the ponds they have and each kid got teamed up with like a supervisor, like guide kind of person and we got them all brand new rods and reels and a little tackle box and then just had to add it in one of these ponds and they were catching hybrids and big crappie and bass and they were just going nuts watching them. But like it's so much fun doing that, yeah, I mean I wanted to see what was in the pond too, like I'd always been wanting to see it, I'm like where is this class going?

Speaker 3: 24:53

Yeah, I'll come help out, but that was a pretty cool experience. It's like yeah, what is in there?

Speaker 1: 25:03

like I you know, oh yeah, I can only imagine what is in there. I mean, I will say, new jersey does a very good job at um. You know stocking and everything like that. You, you look at um where you have the muskies right, yeah, they, is it musky or pike? Do they? Do they suck pikes as well?

Speaker 3: 25:23

uh, they do yeah, in some of the lakes yeah, I think like um bud lake, bud lake has them, the I mean the pisaic river has them. Yeah, yeah, yeah front has them.

Speaker 1: 25:33

You know I, I've seen them, you know they, they do the catfish program where they, you know, and they're, they're, they do a lot of great stuff, especially for fishing. So you know, it is pretty cool because, like, when we talk about New Jersey and what New Jersey has to offer, like and it's sometimes we do it slips my mind that you can go for musky and pike in New Jersey. We even have snakeheads in New Jersey, obviously more southern Jersey and everything like that. But like, when you're talking about all around you know, a state where people don't really think there's much to it when it comes to hunting and fishing, and then it's like, hey, you know what? Well, guess what, you can come down here and you catch a pike. You know you can catch a muskie and catch a snake, and you know you can go to the, to the ocean, and you can go shark fishing and you know you can go striper fishing and everything like that.

Speaker 1: 26:23

Like you look at just so much that that the state has to offer, which does make up for the sheer small size of it. But it is a good testament to like at least fish and wildlife and I've even noticed what them with them with their uh wmas and they're doing a lot more work in and uh, these wmas and everything like that. So there there is a lot that the state offers. I mean, yeah, people do complain and everything like that, but you know for what they're doing, how much funding I could only imagine that they have. Like, this is a pretty significant thing and you know it is great to see. Especially it's for our kids. Like, at the end of the day, you know we're all older now. You know we get, you know we've we've seen how it's like and you know we are enjoying you know hunting and everything like that. But you know it's going to be really important for for all our children to to enjoy it as well no, I agree.

Speaker 2: 27:19

and another good thing that I think jersey does too is, as far as they give you like I think it's like two or two or three free fishing days, just so like anybody could go out there, you don't go through the whole program, you can sign up and get your mentor and your apprentice license with somebody who has done it like.

Speaker 3: 27:47

That's a great way to get people into the field absolutely fun thing.

Speaker 1: 27:52

I'm doing that with a, with a hunter this year, one of my buddies from work. Um, you know, he wants to get into hunting and everything like that and um, so we're going to be doing the, the, that program right there and he'll be able to come out with me and everything like that, and I think it lasts for I think what two years, I believe.

Speaker 3: 28:09

I think it's just a full year is what I thought.

Speaker 1: 28:12

Is it a? Is it a full year?

Speaker 3: 28:13

Like a full calendar from whatever day you you purchase it.

Speaker 1: 28:16

it's perfect for for people who don't know if they're gonna like it. Yet you know what I mean they're hunting is like. Why invest all the time, money and everything like that? And you know, at the end day hunting is getting more and more expensive as it is. Hey, get this person take them out, see if they like it. If they really do, then they get to go out and you know they can take their tests and everything like that. And you know it is a great way to grow the outdoors. I'm not sure how many other States have it like that, but you know I love that New Jersey does it that way.

Speaker 2: 28:53

No, I agree, and it doesn't help. You know it doesn't hurt that. Uh, you got an extra hand if you need it. I know Mike, mike, he's gonna put you to the test oh yes, I I really much.

Speaker 3: 29:04

Yep, you can't give away too many spots though, because then next year once you got their license and they start creeping around.

Speaker 1: 29:11

You see a cell cam pop up somewhere that's a very good point no, I I do have some designated spots already for for that.

Speaker 1: 29:20

Not, I'm not giving away any of my uh, you know secret spots, but yeah, you know, I do have that already, like yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take this person here and here and here and you know it's. You know we're hunting all over and everything like that, and you know it's. I love getting people into the outdoors. You know as as much as I can. You know it's why we hold our events that we do, and you know growing the community and everything like that. But you know, for for anyone who's who's looking at doesn't matter what background you're from. If you're, if that's something you're interested in, you know doing that, listen all for it. Come, you know, come out. We would love to take you guys out and show you what it's really about.

Speaker 2: 29:59

So you know oh yeah, I thought you were gonna say something else.

Speaker 1: 30:08

I was like oh, okay and then it completely like I was, and it literally just. This is my second podcast of the day, so you know I completely just slipped my mind all good, all good um, but I want to talk to you, ryan, about um.

Speaker 2: 30:26

I also saw on your instagram that you had um. It looked like two. I think it was like two does in the back of your truck, was that? Was that a trad bow? Do you hunt with trad or no?

Speaker 3: 30:37

yeah, I just switched over. A couple years ago 2023, 2022 season was my first year. I sold my compound, got rid of it, I had the trad bone I'd like, practiced a bunch but never really committed, and then finally just went for it and stuck it out. That's all I've got now. But that was opening day that year and I was right on the edge of like a big oak flat where they were coming to feed every night, had my corn pile there and there was just those milling back and forth everywhere and a big ridge. There was a very overpopulated piece of property, so I was trying to do my part and shot one, got her tagged in and no more than 15 minutes later another one came walking back through and gave me another shot, so doubled up on both of them. I mean, I hunted with it a handful of times, but that was my first kill slash kills with it, which was pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 31:32

No, that is pretty cool. Listen, hey, you can't beat that. But what was the switch like for you? Like, if somebody wanted to get into it and switch like, what would your advice be to?

Speaker 3: 31:43

them. Uh, try and I mean there's different sizes and kind of learn the terminology and what you're looking for, what you're wanting to do. I mean always go talk to, like somebody who knows what they're talking about, a professional or a friend. Try and get some advice before you go and just buy a bunch of stuff but find a bow you like and start shooting it and get comfortable with it. I mean it's nice the compound or even the crossbows nowadays, like they're so much tools and have technology on your side with releases and pins and sights and stabilizers that this is just like a stick and a string and it's all on you Like the tiniest little flinch or movement, or even your eyes just flicker and go off, because when you release and the bow so much slower it deters the arrow just a little bit. You got it.

Speaker 3: 32:32

The focus and the practice is the biggest thing. Really. You gotta get in the zone and shoot a lot. I mean one of my friends who got me into it, he's every chance he gets he walks out the door, shoots a couple arrows, but that's, that's how you really get. Get good at it.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Now, what's like your comfortable range, Do you? Would you only shoot like past, like no further than 20, 30?

Speaker 3: 32:56

Yeah, 25 is like I'm pretty confident. To that I mean, mistakes happen. I I kind of biffed it on a good buck this year or two. I should say, but yeah, 20, 25, like that's about as far as I want to shoot, nothing over that.

Speaker 2: 33:14

Okay, no, that's good to know. Now, when you first got into it, were you shooting like months before you got comfortable? Were you shooting like a whole year with it before you got comfortable?

Speaker 3: 33:25

so I say I shot with it probably for a good two to three seasons. I was like I had the bow, I was still hunting with my compound, I'd pick it up and shoot and like I wasn't religious about it, I wasn't. That wasn't the only thing I was practicing with, because I had my compound and I knew that's what I was going to hunt with. And I think that's probably why I got rid of the compound. And if I wanted to hunt it was going to force me to practice. But it was, I mean, a year and a half two years before I was like really even willing to think about shooting at an animal. And then this will be my fourth year coming up this year and now I'm like I'm getting more confident with it. But I never really even drew back on the majority of deer just because I didn't feel safe taking shots.

Speaker 2: 34:11

Now I got to ask you cause I've never personally shot one. So let's just say, if the deer is at 20 yards and you come to full draw, does that like alter your vision, like your sight vision when you're shooting?

Speaker 3: 34:26

not really. I mean, you're kind of bent and cantered and like the way you draw back and anchor. It's right under your cheek, so you're looking down the shaft of that arrow at your target. You can still see your target with what? You're looking at it doesn't like take up the whole.

Speaker 3: 34:40

Thing no, not at all. I mean even less like because you have a peep or a scope. It's very focused but there's nothing in front. It's an arrow shaft and your broadhead and you're kind of looking down it and past it at the target. It's like throwing a baseball, like you're pointing with your left hand and just kind of aiming and you know the distance and it feels right and you let it go and you're looking right where it needs to hit and that's. That's just where it goes. Gotcha, gotcha, it's. It's a lot of feel, like there's a little point of aim and you can kind of like judge with different marks on the your bow shaft or along the arrow. Once you figure it out and you shoot, enough. But it really it turns into a lot of feel.

Speaker 2: 35:24

Now, what weight are you?

Speaker 3: 35:25

pulling back. I'm shooting a 54-pound bow, which is a little heavy, I think, for me. Like I'm a little bit of a smaller guy, I might drop down to like a 48-pound. I'm fortunate I have a friend who just is obsessed with it. So he's like here, take this one one, borrow this one, like swap out. He's like just whatever. I gave him 500 bucks for the one bow a couple years ago. Now it's kind of like on a lender program.

Speaker 3: 35:51

It's working so you can't beat that no, so he's got actually a new one, a different bow that he just bought over the winter. That's a 48 pound, he said he thinks I might like it a little bit better. He pushes me over the winter. That's a 48 pound, he said he thinks I might like it a little bit better. He pushes me to get into, I think, just so he has somebody to talk to about it with it, like our big circle of friends that we can rip on everybody, all the compound and crossbow guys, and say how much harder we make it for ourselves and how much better we are and all that fun stuff now quick question on that.

Speaker 1: 36:23

I've heard so much it's really important about your arrow. So what? What's your arrow setup look like how long did it take you to get? You know, to get the right arrows, that that, that you were comfortable, that shot well with your bow and everything like that kind of go with that. Because that's that's what at least what I've heard is. You know it's a big part more about your arrows and everything like that, once you find the right arrows and and everything like that, and you know switching between whatever you got to do, the correct length, and everything like that, like what's that?

Speaker 3: 36:52

process like it's. It's the same and different as like the compound you're, you're tuning the bow and your arrow to meet a flight path that you want. So you're lengthening the shaft, shortening the shaft depending on the flight of the arrow you can. You're putting a couple extra twists in your string of your bow to tighten it up and change the brace height. So it's a little bit stiffer and sends that arrow down and I'm honestly thank god for my my buddy chris, because he gets me all set up. But but it's a little different. We're shooting a little bit heavier end arrow. I think we both have 100-grain or 150-grain inserts and then we're shooting bigger like a 150-grain head. So there's a lot of weight up front and they're flying a lot slower. But I thought it's kind of a little more weight with a little more penetration. Do?

Speaker 2: 37:42

you see yourself getting a lot of pass throughs. Have you ever you know? Got anything like.

Speaker 3: 37:48

Both of those does I shot passed right through, went through ribs like completely and they were. One was 17. The other one was 21 yards, so like they blew through. I've shot a handful of does. Now the bigger bucks. You go and hit a shoulder, which I learned this year the hard way it's not passing through. I shot one early October good buck, one of my target deer that I've been watching for a little while and step forward this front leg drew back on him, made the shot. I thought I aced it like. Made the shot. I thought I aced it like. Made the phone calls. I aced it. Blood was pouring out but I sunk it in right behind his back shoulder went through the ribs and buried in the opposite shoulder. Missed all the vitals. Watched the deer for a couple months on camera and then at one on uh, the neighboring properties that got shot.

Speaker 1: 38:38

So yeah, of course that's. That's how it always goes shoulder was there.

Speaker 3: 38:43

And then about a month later during the rut, I had a real nice buck come in and I was thinking shoulder, am I like, don't hit the shoulder, don't hit the shoulder, and that's what I'm saying. I had a 17 yard like shot, like chip shot that I'm I'm shooting tennis balls at 20 yards, so I'm confident. Drawback everything was smooth and I let it go. I've just felt my eyes like flicker because my brain thought shoulder, damn it, if that arrow didn't just square in the shoulder blade, only go in two inches and that deer ran off like he got stung by like a bee, didn't even care and and I think that that's so important, right there too, you know, and I love, I hate it sucks that it happens, right, yeah, it's part of it happens.

Speaker 1: 39:25

It happens to everyone though, but like it just shows you now, I always tell people, like hunting with the bow and you know, obviously I'm talking with the compound, that's still a game of inches, but so much you mentally have to be. So now you're doing it, you know, with the trad, but like now, every, like you said, even the flicker of your eye, like everything has to be on, yep, like at least with the compound you may be able to get away with with a little bit. With the trad you're not getting away with a single thing. And mentally, if you like, mentally, you have to be there and that's why you know, and it's, I feel, like that's so normal and gonna happen to everyone. Like even with me, even you could be with the crossbow.

Speaker 1: 40:08

You be like if you hit a shoulder, like it's going to get to you, it's going to eat you up and it's probably going to eat you up until you shoot another deer and it's a perfect. You know what I mean and that's. That's the unfortunate thing. But that's what makes makes it hunting and, honestly, like I love that because it makes me like to be better, like when I have a bad shot and yes, it's going to haunt you and I was I was haunted, like this year I went to the season, you know, after the year that I had last year and I struggled last year I hit a shoulder, everything like that and like the only thing you could think about is like, oh my God, redemption, I need it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:44

Yep, you need that confidence back.

Speaker 1: 40:48

I purposely, and you know what? Yet again, it's easier for me because I'm using a compound, which is crazy for me to say because I'm using a compound. Usually we're comparing compounds and crossbows, but you know what I mean. We're comparing compounds and trash. At least I could build an arrow to fully penetrate both shoulders.

Speaker 1: 41:07

You know what I mean. Versus what you're doing, you're not going to be able to. It's going to be much harder. Maybe with a doe you could probably get away with something like that you know what I mean but not with a, a big, mature buck no I don't think.

Speaker 3: 41:22

But I mean that's like you're saying. I I knowingly tried to make it harder on myself going, taking that next step, trying to get into something else. I mean I had been having great success for a string of years and put deer on the wall. I'm like all right, like time to try and like take the next step, I guess yeah, do you feel like a kid again, like with the trad?

Speaker 3: 41:44

bow, like when those, when I shot those does I was so jacked my heart was like through the roof, just all out like shaking when I was getting ready to draw, just because it was different and unsure and like I don't know, it just definitely had a big rush. Come back from it no, absolutely now.

Speaker 2: 42:03

Did you shoot both loose? I might have missed it, but did you? You shot both loose off the ground, or do you?

Speaker 3: 42:08

know that was out of it, out of a stand.

Speaker 2: 42:10

Yeah, now how is it trying to maneuver out of the stand with you know?

Speaker 3: 42:17

the trad bow my most trad bows it's. They're longer, so it's a little you got to really be aware of like your cover around you and the branches, because I've had like the bottom of the limb will like nick different branches and that kind of stuff. But it's, it's not too bad. You're kind of your bend is a little bit different, like in the knees and the waist and how you have to lean over, depending on the angle, like a straight under your shots, like super hard. You got I don't have a whisker biscuit or like catcher or anything, you're just kind of resting it on your, your bow, but it's not too different.

Speaker 3: 42:53

Same principles, like the knowing when to draw is the hard part, because you kind of got to have like I'm looking for little windows where their their head's going to pop behind a tree so I can actually draw and shoot. You're not wanting to hold it like you would a compound or a crossbow, so I'm setting up that like moment of the shot, like it's not, like you can draw back and be like, oh, I'm just gonna hold it here for a minute or 30 seconds or whatever. It's like shit. I'm drawn back, like I I'm the arrow's gonna fling like if I don't do something yeah, yeah a little little bigger of a decision to draw and the timing of it and planning it.

Speaker 3: 43:33

That's a lot different. You need some cover. So, yeah, picking your trees and setting up has's a lot different. You need some cover. So, yeah, picking your trees and setting up has been a little bit different. Trying to like find a spot to shoot a deer with a recurve versus my compound, like I'm not jacked up 25 feet, 20, 25 feet in a tree anymore. I'm looking for that spot. That's 15 feet off the ground with good cover. That's right. And like you got a real good cover wall to one side. As soon as I step out I'm taking my shot. I don't like corn piles anymore at all because like there's eyes too many eyes around. You can't like draw back and wait.

Speaker 2: 44:07

You got to draw and shoot and it's just hard with a lot of deer around yeah, it's funny you say it because this is actually the first year I started um hunting over a bait pile and I noticed that a lot. And I noticed even with my saddle I can get up. I think I was getting like around 15, 16 feet yeah, and just when they come into those corn piles I mean I don't know if it's there by me, Well, I think it's there probably.

Speaker 1: 44:37

They're just looking everywhere and I have deer behind me to the side and they're just like they're just looking in the trees, looking for you the big one's the last one that's going to come in after all the does, and everybody else hasn't already made you so yeah, I'll, I'll definitely say, like you know, I, I think the amount of times I hunted over corn this year, I think, was only like to try to get my dough out the way in the early season, right, and then after that, but you know, I finding the acorns dropping, and when I found, you know, frank, definitely, can, you know, contest this because I, you know, I taught it like that was my mission, you know, was just finding, find that hot tree, and it's crazy because they don't come in the same way. You know what I mean, they were not looking all like, they came in without a care, kind of in the world.

Speaker 3: 45:29

Beeline right to it, head down eating Exactly.

Speaker 1: 45:33

Natural patterns will outperform a bait pile a hundred a hundred percent, and it was nice because I mean there was five, six, seven deer around and like it, just like they. Their eyes weren't all up, so like you could get away with a lot more movement and I could just adjust in the saddle. Or you know, because I'm trying to film, I can do other stuff and even when, like they thought they caught me right or they saw movement, it wasn't the same. I feel like if it was on a corn pile, you know where you're probably going to get them become really skittish.

Speaker 1: 46:06

I think, honestly, they saw some movement. They probably thought maybe it was a squirrel, maybe it was just the wind blowing Like a lot of those days, it was just like windy and the branches. The wind blowing like a lot of those days, it was just like windy and the branches. And that's why I like being in trees, that just I do have that cover, because I kind of just look like another branch just moving with the wind and I kind of only try to move when the wind is blowing, so so I can get away with more movement. But just a night and day difference, I mean I absolutely, I get it why people do it and listen. I'm opening day. Next year I'm probably going to hunt right over corn so I can kill my doe, like right over Until. Like you know, and I'll probably, it's a great way to kill does in the early season out the way. But yeah, they're just way more skittish and they just all they do is look up. In the especially as the season goes on, all they're doing is looking up.

Speaker 2: 47:02

Looking up, yep, all they do is look up in the, especially as the season goes on, all they're doing is looking up, looking up, yep, no, but I I noticed even, like on our um, our property, upstate. That's why I was so I'm so successful, because we have, I mean, I mean a shit ton of acorn trees so you can go anywhere, basically, and that you're gonna have deer walk by and, like you said, it's just, it's so just different hunting, because they come in, they're, you know, they're not looking at nothing, they're not worried about nothing, they're just walking and doing their thing and it it makes it so much easier to get away with so much more without it their pattern.

Speaker 3: 47:31

You can get them patterned more in daylight. They're not a skittish. There's a million things without it. I mean for running a camera to see what's there. But it's that big buck's always there in the middle of the night and you're all. He was there again.

Speaker 2: 47:44

But yeah, you gotta figure out in between there where he's at eating yep, and you know, what I noticed a lot too with um having corn piles is when I was going in I was bumping a lot of deer, because a lot of deer were staying right there.

Speaker 1: 48:00

So it's. It's also a thing like you gotta, you kind of got to treat it. It is a food source. So, like you know, especially early in the morning, like you bump a lot of deer off of bait piles, just like you would bump if you're going in a morning hunt and you're, you're walking through an ag field or something like that.

Speaker 3: 48:18

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 48:20

So like I always tell people like yeah, I yet again like I do it opening weekend because that's, that's the tradition. And then I kind of really stopped hunting, like morning hunts, because I really like, if I'm going to hunt a food source like that, like there's no reason.

Speaker 1: 48:36

Exactly Right. Versus like, ok, you want to hunt. If you're going to hunt the morning, you got to hunt a transition spot, you got to hunt bedding. Like you don't want to be right on top of hunting corn piles, you're going to be, even if you're 20, 30 yards off, it doesn't matter, you're still most likely going to bump deer off. Versus in the evening hunt, I just find it so much easier because you could just you could just beat them too and yeah, you may bump like a, a deer or two off because it's corn and they, I feel like they could be there whenever.

Speaker 1: 49:08

But I don't think it's it's as serious as a problem. Um, you know, and I've had a couple people reach out like oh well, you know I haven't been having success and you know I use corn and you know more well, yeah, you know what? And I did the same thing, especially like when I was younger and everything like that. Like it's the new jersey way 100. But like as you, as you learn and you grow, it's like all right, like okay, this is why it's not working, because this is it is a food source it is a food source, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1: 49:35

And and if you want to kill big, big bucks, like it's just, you know and people are like, oh well, I kill big bucks over, it happens, it does happen, it does happen. But I, I do still think, like you're, if you're trying to play the percentage game, you know the percentage of success you may have. Hunting a different method may work for you in the long run. Unless you have unlimited time, like if I had every single day, like, okay, it's going, it's definitely going to happen, like you're eventually gonna. You're playing the, the odds are are in your favor. So you know there's nothing wrong with it. You know we've all done it. You know I, I, as long as and I always tell people, as long as it's legal, I really I don't care, like Get out there and do it.

Speaker 3: 50:22

Get out there and do it.

Speaker 1: 50:23

Like if, if the state allows you to do it, who cares what somebody else says? Like if, if they're giving you shit for it, listen at the day, it's legal. It doesn't make you know any worse any better. Like it's just a different method of of hunting, but you can always change it up of how you're doing it.

Speaker 2: 50:43

Yep, no 100. So what I was trying to do last year is, you know, I would hunt this side of the farm, then I'd hunt this side of the farm, so I wasn't always just worried about the bait pile. I would go in there with the quad, throw my corn down or whatever, and then I'm out and that's it. Then I would rely on the cameras to do most of my work now, you don't want them patterning you yeah, yeah, and they and they will, and they do it pretty quick. You're in their bedroom.

Speaker 3: 51:13

You're in their bathroom. Like, yeah, somebody walks in your house and moves some stuff around or leaves you like a steak on the table, you're gonna know like what the hell is going on no, absolutely, because even even mike knows that.

Speaker 2: 51:26

Um, this past year I didn't go out in the morning and I was after this one specific deer. It was was a beautiful 10-pointer. I was at work. He showed up in the morning and I told Mike I was like I'm going to leave work because, guaranteed this buck's going to come back tonight and I want to beat him. I'm going to leave right from work and I'm going to beat him there. And sure, shit enough, I'm calling Mike at like 5.30. Hey, I shot him. I think it was a good shot, but it was a classic. I thought he took a step when he didn't and I hit him dead, smack in the shoulder.

Speaker 1: 52:16

And actually. I'll send the video to you, Ryan, and you'll see him.

Speaker 2: 52:16

He literally does backflips he falls on the floor. Like his reaction. I was like, oh he's, he's done, yeah he thought you smoked some good and I'm already celebrating.

Speaker 2: 52:24

I didn't sleep that night. I'm calling mike, I'm like you gotta come up here and you know, one of my buddies squatches. I was like, hey, you gotta come up here. And everybody came out and then that was the only good thing that we had that video, because we just kept replaying it and replaying it and we're like, yep, like there it is. None of us noticed that night because of his reaction to me hitting him. I think we're also crazy. Yeah, I think so too Probably reaction.

Speaker 1: 52:51

So we're like, oh yeah, like this is a dead deer. Like we're like, oh yeah, like this is a dead deer, like we're gonna find this deer, like, oh man, like it. It was one of the craziest reaction that I've seen. Like you've seen some pretty wild stuff like this thing. I don't. I just blew my mind that, like, it just was not a lethal shot yep yeah, they're tough animals man like air of margin is like fractions of an inch.

Speaker 3: 53:17

You can be off.

Speaker 2: 53:20

Yeah, I learned that the hard way too.

Speaker 1: 53:22

We all have.

Speaker 2: 53:23

We all have Too many times Yep, so don't feel too bad. But, Mike, you got anything else? You want to stop there?

Speaker 1: 53:34

You know the one thing. Actually I don't even know if we got into it on the in the 200th right, was it the, the halloween episode? Um, I can't even remember now which. Whatever um did we go over what? Um, if you could hunt anywhere in the world, what would your dream hunt be, and where? Anywhere. Money is not an option. Money is not an option. You don't have to worry Somehow someone's paying for this hunt.

Speaker 3: 54:07

I don't know A rutting stag or something would just hear them things screaming at you. It would be pretty wild, whether it's Europe or south america, like just seeing their massive, the racks and the steam coming out. Like hear one of them things screaming and coming like a cool, like an elk yeah, like same thing, but it's like an elk on steroids and something I probably never even get the chance to do. So I'll say something like that yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1: 54:37

Now and also one more question I really wanted to ask you. You know you're coming to you know hunting a state like Iowa and everything like that. And then you come to New Jersey and kind of, like I said before, like you're going from a state that it's just way different. You know it's a land of giants and you talk about pheasant hunting and everything like that, but then you come to a state like New Jersey where it's more, I guess, quantity over quality and we but we do have some big deer and everything like that. You know we have the bear, we have, you know, the saltwater fishing that you love to do and everything like that.

Speaker 3: 55:20

You know what's kind of been your, your first reaction when you you came over here, versus like kind of like. Now I mean that's the nice thing like there's differences and nuances to it, no matter where you go. Like you're saying there's more deer and maybe not as big out here, but you're competing against all the people. You're trying to find these new little spots and different tactics to make it work. Like there's just different little nuances that you can use to challenge yourself. I think finding new ways to challenge myself and figure out something else. That's really more of what it's about. But, like I always, yeah, it was a paradise for deer hunting, it says, but the fishing out here is bar way better than it was out in the Midwest.

Speaker 2: 55:59

That makes sense? No, that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 56:01

I mean you cater to wherever you end up in the country. Wherever you go, you're going to find your niches for that season. If you're an outdoorsman, you're snook fishing, tarpon fishing in Florida and chasing hogs, and then you're out west, you're elk hunting, trying to shoot sheep and fly fish in the rivers, like that's what's cool about it. Anywhere you go, you can find something to get into that's actually perfectly sad and it's it's right.

Speaker 1: 56:27

Like every, I think all states are definitely unique. I mean, I love new jersey and it's always like okay, you know, we me and the fiance we talked about the move into PA and like, and even though moving to PA like not far away from the border, so we could still come back to New Jersey and hunt, like and stuff like that, but, like you know, every state's just different Like, and you know I, like you, said in Texas, like oh, I would love to hog hunt, like that's something I really want to do be able to just go out with the, with the ar, or take a night vision or take a, do a helicopter hunt.

Speaker 1: 57:03

Like you know, we talked to frank and I talked to my buddy, um jaeger from and he lives down in in, uh, texas, and he was like, yeah, like the pilot got like what he said like 10 or 15 feet off of the ground.

Speaker 2: 57:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:17

Kind of like sideways and they were just like laying it down.

Speaker 1: 57:22

Yeah, and it's like that sounds so cool, like holy shit, like, yeah, texas doesn't have, like the, the deer hunting, in my opinion, compared to most of the states. You know I like the cold weather, I like that really ruddy action. They, they don't have that but they make up it for hey, you can go down there and you can literally you want to set like a TNT off and explode like hogs and everything like that, because there's such a nuisance Like you can do it, you can, you know you can. Um, is it got? You know you could do like an african hunt there. You could do, you could do exotic hunts there. Like it does make up for it. It has its own, uh, uniqueness and you know new jersey is one of those other states that you know it does have a lot to offer and you know we love it and you know that's um perfect answer but, um, frank, any I, I think that's my.

Speaker 2: 58:11

those are, those are my last few closing statements yeah, I think that's. Hey, ryan, appreciate you coming on the show again. It was a pleasure to meet you. So I still can't believe you fish with my cousins. I still can't get over that, sorry, but that's awesome. But, hey, man, I appreciate you coming on the show. Everybody give give Mr Ryan a pit and a follow. And give mr ryan a pit and a follow and you know, hopefully we can get you back on again and we'll talk some more hunting and fishing bud.

Speaker 3: 58:41

What do you think? Yeah, I like it, man. It's thanks for having me out and uh, talking with you guys. It's, it's a ton of fun. I mean anytime, shoot the shit and talk about the outdoors. I'm game, so keep me posted all right, sounds good.

Speaker 2: 58:53

All right, everybody. We appreciate you guys all tuning in and we'll see you guys next time.