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Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast presented by Boone Ducks Hunting you know and that's why you're your um, your tagline, like JCL, known perfect. You don't know what's on the line for the game.

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You don't know what's on the line for the game.

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I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow and a cub and she like charged and like hit like the back of the canoe.

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His head hit the ground before his ass did Begging, begging and crying to go with my grandfather, go with my father on these deer drives. You know, the last trip over I shot a great Cape Buffalo with my bow, Charging through the grass.

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And then the whooping. And then you hear Welcome to the Garden State Outdoorsman Podcast. I'm your host, Frank Mastika.

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You got the old squad sitting in with old Frank.

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And on today's episode we have Eddie Mackin from the. He also goes by Mountain Savage right Mountain Savage on Instagram.

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Yeah, the Mountain.

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Savage, yep, the Mountain Savage. Eddie, welcome to the show bud, how you been. Eddie, welcome to the show bud, how you been.

Speaker 2: 1:04

Doing good. Doing good I'm glad to be here. Just a whole new line of stuff. You know, doing these podcasts and stuff. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 1: 1:13

Yeah, I'm sure I appreciate you coming on. So, Eddie, why don't you give us Like a little background on yourself? Tell us, you know, how you got into hunting, you know? Just give us a little background on yourself.

Speaker 2: 1:24

So it's just hunting, you know. Just give us a little background on yourself. So, uh, just you know, I grew up into it, my father's big hunting and fishing, so uh hadn't, I felt like I was just brought right into it at a very young age. Uh grew up fishing, you know, like right into diapers, right out of diapers, been fishing non-stop. Uh did a lot of salt back in my teenage years and stuff like that. Now I do a lot more fresh water, you know, with the, with the business and everything, but other than that I've been hunting. Uh, I love hunting. Hunting is my thing. I love to fish, don't get me wrong, but I feel like I just fish between hunting seasons.

Speaker 1: 1:59

That's what I do, that's my jam listen, you'll fit perfectly in here with us, especially squats he's. He's the bigger fisherman out of us too I am love fishing I love more though oh yeah, of course. So, eddie, I was gonna ask you um. You just recently went on a bear hunt to maine, right?

Speaker 2: 2:24

sure did. Yeah, no, I uh been doing that bear hunt since uh, 2017. We only ever skipped one year. And uh, but I go with the same outfitter. We uh it started off at a bachelor party with my bachelor party back in 17 and, uh, it was pretty fun because it was just a couple of us and it was actually it literally just narrowed down to me and my other buddy who were just like diehard bear hunters. That's what we do. And we hooked up with this outfitter just northern new england outfitters and uh, we've been going there.

Speaker 2: 2:56

I had, uh, I honestly I wounded the bear on the first trip there. You know, I made, just made a poor shot, you know, took a frontal shot on a black bear with the muzzle loader, thought I at 30 yards I thought for sure I was just gonna pummel it. Um, you learn quick. Anyway, since then, we've been doing uh, just about every year and, uh, you know, I've, I've, I pretty much I get pretty lucky with them. You know, every year, we get one up there.

Speaker 2: 3:21

It's, it's not a, you know, it's a great outfit, excellent outfit. You know we've been going for eight years. Eight years, the only the one year we didn't go is the only year because me and me and the guy who've been going from the beginning, we were both having sons in uh 18. We had little boys, we both had kids like babies and like I was like no, we were like you know, we love it up there, like genuinely, genuinely love it. They're great people, great atmosphere, great everything, and I were like you guys coming back next year and we're like no way, dude like no way, you know, and I was like can't make it, there's no way.

Speaker 2: 3:57

But I was like I promise we're coming back. And then, uh, we had kids. Right, we had obviously had. We both had boys. And uh, the irony of that is this past season, this last week, we brought both our boys with us bear hunting up there. Those boys that we didn't, you know that we skipped that one season for them. We both shot bears on the same night. We both heard each other's shots. You know, in the span, it was a really special thing, it was really more special. Just, you know, the span, it was a really special thing. I was, it was really more special, just, you know. It's hard to explain that, but you're just like. I was like yo, we went from. Like you know, we skipped a year and now they're helping us drag them out. I'm like this is pretty good, you know, I'm like this is pretty good.

Speaker 1: 4:36

You know that's very cool man. First of all, like congratulations, because I I remember you sending me one of the um, one of the things on Instagram for the bear. So that's awesome man, congratulations. How big was that bear?

Speaker 2: 4:50

see that bear, that bear was only 163 pounds. Uh, you know, we, uh, we go. I'll be honest with you, we don't go up there to try to find size right now. Yeah, my other buddy, scott, the guy I've been going with since day one, he's got the, he's got the, he's got the, the record there right, which is like 414, 415 pounds or something like that, that's like a big bear up there. That's what for the lodge and everything like that. Uh, another friend of ours that goes with us, he's got a 391, 393, something like that. Like that was like a runner-up. You know, that's like a really big one, but for the most part, an average main bear you're looking at 130 pounds is like your average bear. You know, yeah, and uh, we, we go up there more of the, the getaway, you pull the trigger, you have the hunt, we do the. You know we got brook trout. You know the brook trout up there, yeah, that's awesome that's like that's like surreal.

Speaker 2: 5:43

If you enjoy fishing, that's real raw fishing, that's like as authentic as it gets, you know. And uh, the smallmouth fishery up there is insane. So, anyway, we go up there. We can't get enough of it. I tried. I'm up to like two or three times a year. I go up there now. Now I bring my kids with my family, we go up there. It's just, it's awesome. It's an awesome experience, the whole entire thing yeah, it's a beautiful place.

Speaker 1: 6:07

I've been to maine, um believe, not only once and I went on um like I think it was during november it was during their deer season, where it was like deer and bear I think I went up to uh island falls. It was only like a couple miles from, like, the canada border. So I think it it took me like 10 and a half hours, I think, to go up there and you know it was beautiful country first of all, I had to get a lot different hunting than when I was what I was used to, you know, either hunting here, new york state or something.

Speaker 1: 6:42

So it took a little while to kind of like get everything figured out, but I ended up leaving, I think, like a day or two early, but uh, I mean I I still had a blast. I saw my first moose. That was. That was freaking cool. They're huge, by the way, but it was. It was. It was definitely a, it was definitely experience or something to remember, man.

Speaker 2: 7:11

Yeah, no moose, or we saw like we've been seeing more and more moose up there.

Speaker 2: 7:13

we've actually been seeing an uptick in whitetail, like a lot really, actually, yeah, but this year we saw quite a few whitetails and I don't know if it's because they're in like a drought situation. So you know, we were always fishing, so they're next to the water. Man, we saw, like we saw, a couple of nice rack bucks. I was actually kind of shocked, you know. I was like, wow, there's something like yeah, I was like, and to see them like from a canoe, like on the water, I'm like yelling at my other buddies, I'm like, oh, you see them, you know, like you see them, right, you know, and like you know, if you see like a little dinker buck or something like that, you don't see too many rack bucks. And we saw some like two pretty decent bucks from like far away across the lake, like feeding on like lake vegetation, I don't know if like lily pads or something like that. They were like you know, they were kind of walking in the water eating it and I was like wow.

Speaker 2: 8:00

I was like I've never seen that, but it's like super dry. It's super dry up there right now like super, super dry.

Speaker 3: 8:06

So yeah, we're in a drought northeast is in a drought, but we're supposed to get some rain friday, so hopefully that's. That's uh there that's my bear he was.

Speaker 3: 8:19

He was a buck 80 and I shot him up in the catskill mountains. Uh, it was opening day of rifle season and I saw four legs going across this ridge directly above me and I never shot a bear. I've seen plenty of them, but I never shot one. And I pulled the trigger and he came rolling down the hill right to me and died right next to me up against a blowdown, and he did that death moan and I was like I was going back for the rifle, but I was also reaching for the 45 because I was like if he stands up.

Speaker 3: 8:51

I'm like I'm a fairly dangerous man on my own, but man I I don't know, a pissed off bear is a pissed off bear so, but he was out for the count when I heard him do that death moan man I. I snuck around the tree and checked him out I have been.

Speaker 2: 9:04

I yeah, now that that's funny, it is intimidating it is. But yeah, you know, I've been, I've been doing it I've been around running around it and everything like that.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Not too many bears. Once they get shot, boy, they run faster than a white tail. They want nothing to do with it. They want nothing to do with it. They don't like pain. No way. Let me tell you something when you start shooting at a bear, that thing um, it's out of there, that thing is gonzo into another county. You'll never. Yeah, ain't like a deer, he's gonna stop in 400 yards. That bear is going to wherever he feels safe. And if that means in some other state that's where he's going, you know.

Speaker 1: 9:37

Yeah, that's, that's the difference in them, you know yeah, because I actually I I get it a lot because a lot of people like um, that I work with, they're not hunters, so they don't know. And they're like when you shoot a bear, like what if you miss, like, or what if you hit it bad, do you know? They're like you mean scary is going to come after you. I'm like no, you know, like I get all the stories from them. They're like yo, you're crazy, because I know he's coming up that tree to get you. You're just trying to bullshit us. I was like no man, honestly, they take off, they're gone.

Speaker 2: 10:11

They want nothing to do with you. I've been in some wild tracks and the last thing they want to do is come back at you. They're trying to do everything they can to get away from you.

Speaker 1: 10:22

Yep 100%.

Speaker 2: 10:24

That's just nature, that's just their nature yep, no 100.

Speaker 1: 10:28

And those, uh. So those bears that you guys killed in maine, did you shoot those with the muzzleloader, or or was it right?

Speaker 2: 10:35

no, I actually shot mine. I shot mine with my. I got a new slug gun from winchester, the sxp, this last year, uh, designated, you know, I I've always I'm an old school kind of guy brought, was brought up that way. I always had an iron sights 1100. That's been my pride and joy since ever. But I'm growing up now and I gotta like I gotta, because I always I did that.

Speaker 2: 10:57

I flip-flop between that and the muzzleloader, right, yeah, my muzzleloader is like a tack driver, I love it.

Speaker 2: 11:03

But uh, I've been in some situations where shot, especially just bear hunting, it's not so much deer, but you shoot boom, and you, you could have got that second shot if you had a shotgun, you know, yeah, but with the muzzle loader, like you know, you walled them, you took the shot that you did and you just you wish you could just load faster and, like you know, there's nothing quicker than just racking another round or just pulling the trigger again. So I it was time for me to grow up and I was like I'm gonna buy myself a designated slug gun, scope, proper optics, the whole nine. So I did and uh, uh, found out that it shoots these the winchester copper impacts very well and, uh, I was very pleased, very pleased, went to the range a couple times. I mean it responds super well, holds groups and suit group. I mean a great, a great group and up there most of yours, you know, most of your shots are 50, 60 yards. You know that's what they set the baits at majority of them majority, they do it.

Speaker 2: 12:03

They do have some stands that are like 30 or 15. You know 20. You know that's what they set the baits at. Majority of them, majority, they do it. They do have some stands that are like 30 or 15. You know 20. You know yards, but for the most part, majority of them are gun hunter. You know gun sets, you know so, uh, wasn't a big deal for me, but man, that, uh, I couldn't be prouder. Man, that gun, I mean I shot a gun. I shot a bear this past december with the gun with the, the horned east. That's what I was shooting beforehand. And uh, I wasn't getting like great consistency but I, uh, I shot a bear in it. Oh, it walloped him and I was like, yeah, man, I mean that did the job right. But then over the summer months I was like gotta change my ammo. I need something a little bit more consistent. And you know, um, uh, if you're, if I don't care what kind of outdoorsman you are, but I try to be as proficient as possible, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 12:47

of course, the muzzleloader. You get the same thing. You do the same thing over and over again. You get the arrows. It's the same thing over and over again. I don't like to experiment. I like to know what works. You know, and that's just who I am know. And uh, I was like when you know you're just dropping hundreds of dollars when you start buying slugs, you know like they're sad. Oh yeah, you're just like.

Speaker 2: 13:10

So I was like I'm just like full in, I'm like dude, just ring me up. Whatever it is, it is, just give me them. And the winchesters happen to be, you know, there, and my gun responded very well to them. Very cliche winchester shotgun, winchester ammo. I don't know why I didn't do it from the beginning, but anyway, shot great. I shoot great, everything shoots great. Bear comes in. I mean, I don't know if you guys saw the video, man, but I wiped the floor with that thing. I couldn't believe how well that bullet just like walloped that thing. I mean like walloped it. I was like, wow, I was very, very impressed.

Speaker 1: 13:48

It was definitely. I would say that that was like one of the best videos I've seen of somebody shooting a bear. I was like holy shit, you know.

Speaker 2: 14:00

I mean listen, I know guys that head shoot them. I know guys that do whatever. But you know, just in that moment, and I just like you know, you put the crosshairs, like you know, right up behind the shoulder. I had like a little quarter and two, but like no big deal, it wasn't the end of the world. I mean I touched that thing off, that bear just fumbled right to the ground. I mean I was like holy crap you know, it's like a shot yeah, well, it was great.

Speaker 2: 14:25

It was great. It was the first time like I think it was the first time ever up there. I usually use the odd six and what happens is the odd six is moving at like a thousand feet more per second right and the odd six does, does devastation.

Speaker 2: 14:39

I love the odd six 180 green winchester, you know sxps out of the, uh, winchester supremes, excuse me, supremes. Yeah, out of the odd six that I had. I'm telling you, that thing blistered him, but you know, but because my father started coming up with me, obviously I'm like dude, you use your rifle, I'm gonna use my gun, that's like how it goes and he shot me too, so it was awesome. It was a good time. Yeah, everything worked out well nice, that's awesome man.

Speaker 1: 15:07

I know because real, real quick I'm gonna go back for um touch on the slut on the slug subject, but um, because I too had problems with the hornies not taking anything away from them. I know people who shoot them and their guns are like dead on, but I, because I shoot um a mossberg 930 and semi-automatic and the same thing. It was the consistency. Wasn't there one time, I'd be like almost bullseye. The next time it wasn't there, you know, but I mean it's just like no I had.

Speaker 2: 15:41

I had the same thing is like thing you took five shells out of a box. Two of them were dead ringers, the other three were like wild cards and I could not figure it out. I was just checking the scope.

Speaker 1: 15:57

I'm like, watch me, am I flinching? Is the gun moving, what's happening? But eventually I started shooting. Am I flinching? Is that is like the gun moving, like, what like what's happening, you know like. But eventually I started shooting um the federal. I forget what the hell it is. I started shooting them last year and they did really well, but I know my gun shoot anything. Winchester and federal shoots dead on nuts, are they?

Speaker 1: 16:21

high shock federal high shock. No, no, they're not high shock. I gotta, I gotta, see what they are. I'll send the picture to you. Yeah, see the difference.

Speaker 2: 16:30

Now here's the difference that I thought that was a little bit different. That definitely made a difference in the impact of the animal. Was that the regular? The hornities that I was shooting were 250 or 260 grain right?

Speaker 2: 16:42

so that levels out to about a five-eighths ounce, you know, like regular slug or rifle slug, if you're familiar with grain stances. Okay, somewhere's right in there the copper impacts at four to twenty gauge or three quarter ounce, right. So now you're definitely got a heavier, heavier, heavier bullet moving about the same amount. So you just got a lot more energy behind it, you know, there's just a lot more, you know. And then, uh, I mean it was very evident. I mean I shot the. I shot the one in this past december with the hornady and, like you know, the bear didn't go 50 yards. But I mean, like I, I, you know that bear was like hurting, you know, and I was like, wow, okay, this will do it, you know.

Speaker 3: 17:22

Now, you have copper impacts.

Speaker 2: 17:24

The way that copper impact I mean, it blew clean through that thing I was like holy jesus, you know I was like yeah, I was. I was very impressed, very impressed. My buddy, the guy sitting on because you know we were coming out, my buddy, you know he shoots a 45, 70 and he was like well, that's how they are right there.

Speaker 3: 17:42

Yeah, I just made I just made barrel loads. Those are one of the ftx 325s and they're uh compressed loads, the the powders right up to here in them, and uh so I loaded them with 45 grains of imr 4198. So that's pretty good, that's flying 20, that's flying 2100100 feet per second, and I just bought two brand new boxes of federal hammer downs in 300 green hollow point I'm going to.

Speaker 3: 18:14

I'm going to check those out. I made these myself. I ran and got two boxes tonight and tomorrow. I'm just going to see what I think my hand loads are going to be the best.

Speaker 2: 18:25

Squatch, I don't doubt your hand loads at all, not for a second. My buddy Scott, he, he buys the, the Buffalo board, like they're like four fifties or four nineties or something like that. He shot the biggest Baron camp. Listen, I'm telling you dead ass, like exactly how it goes. This thing gave him a three quarter hard, like the hard threequarter in a way, at like 50, 60 yards. He drove that bullet. That bullet went from in front of that hind quarter all the way forward. The gentlemen, when they dress they don't feel dressed. They're animals there. They always dress them at the lodge or whatever.

Speaker 2: 19:01

They pull it out with the thing. He's in shock. He looks at me and he's like dude, I killed a giant. Now, at the time, none of us had killed a bear more than 300 pounds in our lives, right? So I was like, yeah, heck, yes, dude, like this is awesome, you know, and uh, you know, I'm back at the lodge, I'll be honest. But I was pie-eyed, I was piling, just pile driving beers because I was like I was tagged out and, like everybody's, just killing them.

Speaker 2: 19:23

So this is a great time, right so I was just like I'm living, right, I'm living like my best friend, my best friend just killed like a giant, like a giant, right. So I'm like, and then the then the owner of the outfitter texts me and he's like it's a giant and I'm like, all right, I don't have any more times. I gotta hear it. I was like I got enough beers. I'm like I I'm ready, bring this thing in. When they dressed it, one of the younger guys there, the newer guys, he was inside the cavity because they dress them hanging. The guy was like it was the closest to the Revenant that you can come up with the modern day. He's inside trying to get it and, like this like half dollar size piece of lead falls out of it and it was that buffalo boar. We still have it to this day. It's incredible, and I mean just absolutely incredible how much penetration, the energy, how much they can take.

Speaker 2: 20:15

You know yeah it's just, it's insane dude, it's, it's literally it's. It's not even fathomable that you and I that thing would go through like 10 of us in a row, somehow it only goes through half of him.

Speaker 3: 20:26

You know my father always hunted with the 45 70 I'm. I always had my 35 marlin. I killed more deer than I could tell you about with with that and uh, it was my 50th birthday last january. So my wife's like what do do you want? And I'm like, well, I think I want to go into the 45, 70 world. So I bought a. She bought me a brand new, uh Henry, uh lever action, wow.

Speaker 2: 20:53

I'm a Marlin.

Speaker 3: 20:55

I love Marlin, I'm a Marlin man, but the newer Marlins just aren't the Jim Marlins of the past and I looked at the way tory was built compared to everything else and I was like you know what I'm? It breaks my heart to get off the marlin wagon, but when I shot that, henry, I'll tell you what it's built really nice congratulations.

Speaker 2: 21:16

That's a heck of a rifle man, heck yeah yeah, man, it's, it's.

Speaker 3: 21:19

I shot it at the range and I was like I put a box of bullets through it and they were 300 grain remington. So they were, they're toned down. They're not like these things are. But the only thing I can tell you, if you shot a three and a half inch magnum 12 gauge, maybe put six or seven rounds or that, it's like shooting that thing, it's, it's a tank. When I made these rounds, I made these rounds originally for my father's gun and I wouldn't put I wouldn't even let him put his head near the gun. First we strapped it down to like the lead sled. I hooked a string to it. He's like what are you afraid of? I'm like dad, I could blow your effing head off with this freaking load that's in here like I don't know I don't want to hurt you.

Speaker 2: 21:58

I want to make sure it's all right first you know, if my, if my buddy ever listens to this I don't mean to cut you off he shot the one bear at one time and it looked like a chicken cutlet was hanging off his face right and I was like dude, I was like what happened? And like he ate it, right, so it happens. Right, so like we make a joke of it. Right, almost like knocks him out. He gets it the whole nine, not this year. Last year he gets it the whole nine lat, not this year. Last year he was on stand for like a hot 20 minutes right, and like a bear with three legs, like a respectable bear, like 150, 160 pound bear, comes walking in scott. Hey, he doesn't even know it has three legs at this time. I just want to let you know this, okay, so this thing comes like walking in and he's like not even dressed.

Speaker 2: 22:43

He's like eddie, I just like sat down, it was cooling off. Like he's like not even dressed. He's like Eddie, I just like sat down, it was cooling off. Like he had like another six hours to go in the stand and like the bear comes in. And I didn't get a picture of a dead bear, I didn't get a notification on my phone, nothing in the group chat. He just sent me a picture of another half moon right next to like the old one, you know, and I was like no way you got another one. He's like it's dead, it's dead, it's dead at the barrel. I got him and I was like no way come to find out that one only had three legs, you know. It was just like one of those things.

Speaker 2: 23:13

That's a crazy story yeah, ah, the guy only ever shoots unicorns. Dude, nothing but unicorns, nothing. It's just like the biggest one, the wildest one, the one that they can't get on camera, something, something. The 45-70 is like a howitzer dude it doesn't get nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 23:30

Yeah, I told my dad. I said this thing's not a rifle anymore, it's considered artillery. And he said yes, yes, you forgot where I came from.

Speaker 3: 23:40

He says I was in artillery 155 howitzers when I shot all day. I said, yeah, I know, that's why you're effing deaf too, bud. You know it's a scare when you start compressing powder in a shell and they tell you see these cases, you have to mill 10,000 off the neck of the case and shorten them because the FTX is so long. They don't want them bumping into each other in a tubular mag. Plus, they discovered that 45 seventies case pressure can be pushed way beyond factory what they thought was okay. So when you do that, you're compressing that. They call them a compressed load. So you actually, as you shoved that bullet down inside of there in the press, you hear it go in the powder and you're like, oh God, there's no air in between. That you know.

Speaker 3: 24:26

and I told my father, I I said listen, I said this will take down a freaking tyrannosaurus rex. So whatever you hit, make sure you hit it from like one end to the other and make sure what's beyond it, because it'll probably take a tree down afterwards probably flip a car over. I'm like you're insane with the power they make. But listen, I don't want to screw around. I I don't like animals suffering, I don't like chasing shit.

Speaker 2: 24:53

I want it dead, like right there, but dead and well, that's see, that's, that's part of it, right? So this past week, this past week, when I was up there, right, I got my son with me. It's the first day of the hunt, he's six years old, he's a trooper, right, kid, sat through the rain, sat through everything. Prime time comes and you hear that, right, and it just like echoes through the valley. Now, up in Maine, everybody has to be, it's like land management through, like the paper companies, whatever, but it's got to be like a mile, or everyone's got to be like three quarters of a mile. It's the way. The bait sites need to be apart from each other, right? So the outfitter, like everyone's, everyone's within, like earshot of each other, one way or the other, right? Well, anyway, I'm sitting there and I hear that shot and like my son perks up, like the ears, like the whole nine, he's like what was that? And I was like uncle scott just rolled one for sure you know, I was like ain't nothing else like that.

Speaker 2: 25:46

Ain't nothing Right.

Speaker 2: 25:47

And then like the phone, the group, the group chat just blows up and he's like dead at the barrel. And I was like yes, sir, like, yes sir, like that's the first. That was the first one of the trip, you know. You know the first day just like hammered it down. I'm like good for you, kid know. And he had his son with him, which was really awesome. And then an hour later he ended up. He heard us shot, you know. He heard us like shoot. And uh, he texted me. He's like he's like, he's like he's like, is it dead? And then, yeah, I don't know if it was the outfitter or one of the other guys in the group had like the cell cam and just sent the cell cam picture of the bear just laying right in front of the barrel. You know, and I.

Speaker 2: 26:22

And.

Speaker 1: 26:23

I was like yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2: 26:26

It's great group of guys, Great click man. It's awesome. Every year, every year, it just seems to get better. I don't know why, but it does. It's an awesome, awesome place. I love it up there.

Speaker 3: 26:34

I think that says a lot too, because you know you've got yourself a good outfitter that produces for you that you can trust. You've gone back year after year. You've guys got that solid friendship and now you're bringing in the younger generation to it and building memories with your kids, which is, you know, I mean, yeah, it's great, you shoot an animal and you harvest the meat and you enjoy that between each other and stuff, and you know it's a good memory. But those memories with your kids and stuff like that I mean all the memories, everything back, my grandfather, my father, just my, you know, like good friends, my cousins and stuff like that. It's like you never feel like you.

Speaker 3: 27:14

You might not remember the exact year, but you remembered at the time you had with that person you'd be like, oh yeah, remember we went this way and that way and you know it's the truth it's it's priceless, bro, when you, when you have those experiences, you're taking, you're doing right by your children, you're showing them, you know the respect of taking an animal's life and you're you're going through the steps and everything. And that was how I was taught it was. It was wasn't about I mean, I was a killer, don't get, I was a killer. But I learned as I got older. You know all those values that were taught. You were like, okay, you know, this is more what it's about right now.

Speaker 3: 27:53

I mean, saturday is opening day of bear up here in New York, so I don't care, I just want to get out, walk around the ridges, take my time, relax. I don't want to think about this job, that job. I don't want to think about anything. I just want to get back, get back into the woods, relax, maybe shoot a bear. That'd be cool and have fun and that's it. And it's so important.

Speaker 3: 28:14

We need to keep this going and teach kids you know what's right, how to do this stuff the right way, and we can't let it die out, because if you know, if that dies out, then there's none of this, there's no podcast, there's none of this like sacred campfire stuff. And we're sitting on talking like about the, you know, like if we were standing around the, the, uh, the hanging post there with you know our, our prizes hanging from the, the, the pole there, like you know, you get a big buck and everybody's standing around. Those days are gone. Everything's so much social media and everything now, social media and everything now. But when you can introduce a child to that, you get them out, there, you're, they're helping you drag it and clean it. That's stuff, man, they never forget, they never forget.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, that's what it's all about man yeah yeah, yeah, I love it. I don't know, I love, I love every inch of it. You know it's, it's what it is. You know, I love every inch of it.

Speaker 1: 29:06

Yeah, no, I can't wait to get my, you know, my son, right now he's four and a half, he'll be five soon. I'm dying. I tell Squatch all the time I'm like man, like I can't wait till we can take him out with us.

Speaker 2: 29:18

You know, like you guys want to know a real thing, you guys want to hear a funny one. A buddy of mine, the same up there, right, he's got now they do main new hampshire, right, it's right there on the threshold, right on the state line. So I'm gonna link up with my buddy up there and I'm gonna hunt in new hampshire. Well, I have like an infant. I have a second child infant at home right now. I just got back, you know, the first week of the last week of august. So new hampshire, you're not allowed to bait or hunt till the season opens, which is September 1st. Ok, ok. So I'm like roped in the going and my wife's like well, you're taking one of them if you're going.

Speaker 3: 29:57

Right, I just want to let you know.

Speaker 2: 29:59

Right, this is, this is, this is dead ass. True story, right. So my son is four Right now. I've exposed my son to the hunting stuff, like full on, right. He has held the deer's leg at like three while I gutted it the whole night. I mean he like you know, come on, let's go, you know he's in it, whatever. So we set up on the bait. I bring him up to New Hampshire, we're at my bud's camp. We got on the bait the first day we leave at prime time, right. So it's unfortunate.

Speaker 2: 30:30

Again he's four, right, yeah so, but there's like three or four bears coming and uh, I was like he's like what do you mean? You had to leave. I was like we weren't gonna make it right. So I was like we gotta go in. So learning curve, having a kid first time, hunting with the kid, like you know, like a full-on setting, like out-of-state setting. I was like, yeah, we're not gonna, we're not gonna make six hours in the tree stand, we're just not gonna, right. So the next day, on day two, we go in at like 4 30, which is like getting tight to like movement time, you know. And uh, and my bud you know, my buddy tony tells my kid and he was like, listen, you got to sit there. And he was like I don't know if I can. And then I brought the tablet and everything else. I mean I'm trying to entertain a four year old Right.

Speaker 3: 31:16

I'm going to do the best I can. He's got his earmuffs on and everything else.

Speaker 2: 31:18

Right, I'm trying. So, anyway, somehow the deal goes down, like in the local, like you know, like the big store down in town they have, like this, you know, the toy gun, but it's like a bolt action. It's got the noise, it's got everything right. So he makes the deal, he goes if you be quiet and your dad shoots the bear, I'll buy you the gun. But you got to sit there and be quiet, right, and stay there. You got to stay there, right, dude? I have this on video. It's on video, it's on. It's on. It's on one of my, it's on my one of my platforms or some some nature. Right, he's with me, dude, I'm not even kidding you.

Speaker 2: 31:57

The second day, six, 30, I see the piece of black coming down the side bear turns broadside. I don't even think twice, man. I wiped the floor with, like this like 80 pound bear, right, I shoot him. Right, I shoot the bear. Right, I'm like god, a new hampshire bear. I'm thrilled I shoot. He takes the earmuffs off, looks at me. He's like did you get him? I was like yeah. He's like do I get the gun now? I'm like, yeah, dude, you're gonna get the gun now. You know, and it was all about like a deal, but anyway we had the the time of like pulling out the bear the whole nine and my bud's like why didn't you wait? And I was like do you understand what it's like to hunt with like a four year old? I was like I took the first bear that walked in. I was like I don't even care, like I didn't even care, I didn't even care, I like walked right in there.

Speaker 1: 32:52

I was like grab that sucker and walk right out, like with it, I like put underneath my arm and walked out. I was like I didn't care, I was like I got one. I was like I got one, you know. I know what you're talking about because the very first time I took my daughter out, it was on our farm upstate, and I took her. We had a double man stand, same thing. I was like, all right, I'm like I got. I was like we're gonna sit, sit for a while. I was like I got snacks, I got the tablet, like we're golden, right, right, so we're sitting there. I get her in there. She's just playing on her tablet, daddy, anything. Yet I'm like, no, nothing, all right, I want a snack, I want a juice, I want you know. All right, she went through probably the snacks. It seemed like 20 minutes, right, and I thought I had enough to last us. Like the whole time.

Speaker 1: 33:28

She's like, daddy, I'm bored, like do we see anything? Yet I'm like, no, like you. Like in the back of my mind, I'm just. I'm like I'm literally praying, like just let a doe walk out, just let a doe walk out, so I could just shoot, shoot something. While she's here. She'll get to experience it, and that's all I'm asking for. Yep, so I look over and I, I start seeing. I started seeing some uh, I think it was like a group of four or five does. They were coming into our field and I was like all right, like they're coming, I don't see him, I don't see him. So she kept saying it loud. I'm like hey, like you gotta whisper, like you know you know, like yeah, yeah, relax.

Speaker 1: 34:09

So they knew something was up, because they kind of heard it. But they knew something was up, so so they kind of like doubled back a little bit.

Speaker 1: 34:17

She's like daddy, I'm done, I want to leave I'm like ah, so like we have like, um, you know, like a side by side up there. So so I have to call my wife. I'm like, hey, like she wants she wants to go. Like can you come pick her up? Like I'm, I'm gonna stay. You know, like can you come pick her up? She's like all right, so she picks her up. I'm watching them leave as they're leaving. I'm watching the deer start funneling in. I was like you gotta be shitting me like I wish I had that on video. I'm like you, you got to be kidding me. And they were literally like right behind, the side by side almost, and they come out to the field and they're just watching them leave. And then they come out and they're standing right underneath me. I got like four or five does and I'm just like unbelievable, it's just how it goes man.

Speaker 2: 35:05

It's just how it goes. It's tough. It's tough. You know, I I will say this my son was an absolute trooper. It was, we had thunderstorms, we had whatever else. The kids sat it out and I was like I can't, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even feel right to ask him to sit there. Like another night I was praying because my dad was in camp. I had my buddy in camp. You know, I had other guys. I was like if somebody just shoots one, I was like buddy would camp. You know, I had other guys.

Speaker 2: 35:29

I was like if somebody just shoots one, I was like then I can like he doesn't have to like come again because like he sat, he sat through like some like hammering rain man and I had I had like the rain gear on him. I bought him a poncho, you know, and I, uh, I, I, I hope one day he understands like how proud I was of him, because I was like I sat there and I was like he didn't say a peep, didn't say a word. He just like how proud I was of him, cause I was like I sat there and I was like he didn't say a peep, didn't say a word. He just like sat there and then he kept going he's like the bear's going to come soon and I was like, yeah, it's going to come soon, right? He, just like I was just like he was locked in, kid was locked in and I couldn't have been any prouder. Yeah, hunt was awesome. Everything was great. You know, it was good.

Speaker 1: 36:06

Yeah, he's definitely going to remember it for probably for the rest of his life. Whoa, this is the cool thing.

Speaker 2: 36:13

This is the cool thing. So we get back to the lodge. Right, because he made the joke, because we saw another bear prior. Right, that's a story in itself. We saw another bear prior. Anyway, he was like can I shoot that one? And I was like no, dude, I can't, I can't let you shoot another bear Like you can't shoot a bear. Right, I mean he was like ready to jump on the gun and just like hammer one Right.

Speaker 2: 36:36

And uh, and I was like man, I was like this kid really wants to go. So I get back to the lodge, we're shooting the jazz. And he's like, hey, uh, he can shoot one in New Hampshirepshire there's no age limit like you can just get a, just get like a. You know, you can buy like a youth license for him. There's no such thing as like um, like an education or anything. And uh, and I was like, oh, I was like, oh, all right, so now I'm in the process currently, right now, uh, his birthday's in november. I'm in the process by myself.

Speaker 2: 37:05

And uh, you know we shoot BB guns and stuff like that, and he's a left-handed shooter. So I got him, I got him, uh, it's in, it's in the route, but a 20 gauge single shot, you know, put a scope on it and some slugs and stuff. And uh, I'm hoping that this thing, uh, it's pretty accurate out to 60 yards. That's my, it's my hopes, you know. But I'm going to get them in this 20 gauge and that's going to be his gun and I think we're going to do that.

Speaker 2: 37:28

Next year, I think he'll be seven years old and he's totally competent. Competent at shooting, I'm, you know, shooting the big guns he hasn't done yet. But let me tell you, with the one seven, sevens and the 22s and all that other jazz, like there's a small stuff, he's quick, it is quick. I like like scary quick, I don't know. I like to say he got it for me, but I think he watches too many of them, damn games, you know, cause he's like really good at it and he's like really good at it and I was like wow.

Speaker 2: 38:02

I was like you're fast man, really fast.

Speaker 1: 38:05

I hear you. Are you going to take them out for? Are you going out for Jersey bear this year or no?

Speaker 2: 38:11

Oh, absolutely that's. That's that's that's. That's ingrained in my skull for forever. I think that's that's just who I am. But yeah, no, I I was didn't do so much today, but I've been been on the trial. I'm trying to drag my feet on, like you know, getting involved with theing the bears already. I'm just trying to find them. What I'm trying to do right now is locate them and then go from there and do what I got to do, but I will be fully involved. Bear hunting New Jersey all in October, december Time's already in at work.

Speaker 1: 38:48

I'm ready to go. You know, yeah, me too. I just put it in a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2: 38:53

Yeah, we you know, there's a group of us. We always do the same thing. It's four or five of us. You know, my brother, my brother, it's a big thing for my brother. They take a week off of work. It really is. He did it last year.

Speaker 2: 39:08

I set them all up, you know, being 100 yards from the bait, it seemed like it was like this barbaric thing and I still think it sucks. Don't get me wrong, it totally sucks. But it worked out in a way where, like, if you could pattern the bear like it, it's actually pretty effective for shooting. Like you know. Consistency, you know, instead of like waiting for the bear to come in and like he's all like jittery, kind of like a deer on a bait pile, right same thing. Uh, you know, two years in a row, my brother shot him, you know. Like, you know, like you know, 100 yards from the bait, just like sitting there with them walking down in, like just being a bear, just letting them walk through the woods, you know. And, uh, you know, um, everybody's actually doing it's actually working out better. I don't know if I should have told them or not, but it's what's working out better we're doing. We're doing a hell of a lot better with it. You know, like actually like abiding by the law. You're sitting there and you're like if we could just find where he walks in at I was like it's a sure bet. I mean, like they only get weird when they get next to the barrel, you know, and like that 100-yard bark. To be honest with you I don't know if I'm letting the secret out of the bag, but like they usually hang up right out like 100 yards. You know, yeah, if you ever baited them, if you ever baited them, you'll be like, oh man, like he doesn't come in.

Speaker 2: 40:22

But if you start surrounding the area and you start pushing your cameras out like wider, wider and wider and wider, right, yeah, and you start pushing your cameras out like wider, wider and wider and wider, right, yeah, and you come around the corner when they come out, you know, and you get out and around, like you know all the little corners there, you start to find out that the bear was there like an hour before dark. He just didn't come into the bait till dark, you know, and he was right there. He was there right there the entire time. He was just pacing it out. You know, he'll lay there, he'll scratch his back. He's got nothing but time. He knows it's there, he smells that it's there and it's there and, uh, we've been pretty, pretty successful at making it work.

Speaker 2: 40:56

It's, it's been, it's not that I mean, instead of like one camera, one barrel, bunch of stuff in the barrel and, like you, just like you know, count on that. Uh, you know it takes five cameras, you know that's realistically where it comes from and just a bunch of movement, you know. And eventually you start to really narrow in on how it, because sometimes they don't, they don't walk, they walk in one way and they leave another. They don't and they don't reverse that. You know that they have a, they have a routine. They got like a path, they got a place where they want to be, place where they're coming from, you know.

Speaker 1: 41:29

Yeah, no, I've. I've seen them literally just circle like the bait sites for almost, like you said, for hours. I watched them. Just you could see them going back and forth. He'll go down to the swamp. We'll come back Then he'll. He'll do a loop and you see him sniffing and then he'll like, just you could tell he's he's relaxed, he's just chilling and you're like yeah, like damn man you know, yeah, well that's what I?

Speaker 2: 41:55

how does he know? Yeah, no, they're, they're, they're so smart, so so smart, but uh, it's beyond intelligent, super intelligent animals, and I mean they live longer than most deer, you know. So you gotta think about, like, how this show, and I, understandably, we can only shoot them for, like you know, two percent. Gotta think about, like how it's just, and I, understandably, we can only shoot them for, like you know, two percent of, like the time that we can shoot a whitetail in the state, you know, in the state of new jersey at least. But uh, respectfully, you know, I got a lot of cars and everything else. It takes them a long as big as they did, and, like you know, they're getting, they get, they get big man, they get big because they're smart. That's bottom line, that's what it is, oh well listen, 100, 100%.

Speaker 1: 42:31

They, you know, listen, they know the game better than we do sometimes. You know like you always try something different and they just like you're like damn Cause, like I actually I was showing squash I was getting these bears constantly. I had one that was like around like the 350 mark, the other one, we figured, was probably around like five, and I had like two different mothers with cubs and now like all of a sudden they just like gone. Haven't seen them in weeks. So I'm like where the hell did they go? You know like I was getting them like consistently all the time. I'm'm like where the hell did they go?

Speaker 2: 43:12

you know like I was getting them like consistently all the time like where the hell did they go? It's another thing you never beat, you'll never beat. Natural beat, sorry, the acorns. The acorns are are falling and I'm feeling that right now myself, I'm uh, I've been, I've been tying up the boots and taking it to the extra level.

Speaker 2: 43:29

I I'm really trying doing everything I can right now not to put anything on the ground. I just don't want to do that yet because it just consumes my life. I got a fishing business. I'm like a pack on. I am pretty busy. I got kids with sports. I got a little one at home. I just don't have that, and once I start doing that, I'm shaving time off of sleep because I do it in the dark. You, I just don't have that, and once I start doing that, I'm shaving time off of sleep because I do it in the dark. You know I don't have time to do it any other time, you know. So I end up, I end up, I end up. Like you know, it's easier for me to wake up at 3am and run through the woods than it is for me to do it at 10 o'clock when I'm dead tired, you know.

Speaker 2: 44:01

So, I start doing some like pre-dawn craziness and I do that and that's a routine thing that I do. You know, people call me crazy, call me whatever, but that's the time that I get to go do it, so that's what I do, you know hey, frank we gotta go.

Speaker 3: 44:17

I so I was. I've been doing some research if you see me looking down on ed and where he went and, uh, this is really doable for the hunts that he's going on. Now, Ed, let me ask you there's a two-state combination over bait seven days of hunting, seven nights of lodging, harvest, two bears, one in Maine, one in New Hampshire, same lodge on the trip. Have you done that?

Speaker 2: 44:44

I have not done that yet. No, that looks pretty cool, man. No, that's a. You know what they always push me to do? That Just that, it just it's. I don't know. We always lock in for that first week of Maine. It's always I don't know.

Speaker 3: 45:01

It just works out for everybody you know, but like the three-day hunt and the five-day hunt, it's all freaking reasonable. Frank, we should look into this man, you and I.

Speaker 1: 45:12

Let's do it. I mean dude, I'm telling you we would have a freaking blast. Yes, Send me that when you get a chance so I can look at it.

Speaker 3: 45:22

Yeah, I will, man, I will. In fact I'll send it right now If we can help you. If we do decide to book, I mean we'll definitely mention we saw it through you and if it reflects on you, ed, I mean that'll hopefully help you some too.

Speaker 2: 45:41

Hey, you'll see me there. That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1: 45:43

Holy shit.

Speaker 2: 45:48

I'm good, I'm telling you dude, I'm telling you. I'm good. For two or three times a year I'm already there, you know. I can go up there with my family now, you know.

Speaker 3: 45:55

I'll be, like Ed, just give me your shoulder for a second.

Speaker 2: 45:58

That's it Hold still yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 46:00

You shoot that bear out of that freaking channel.

Speaker 2: 46:04

Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1: 46:05

That's right, you're not kidding dude it would be cool. I came on the podcast. You guys are stealing All my fucking spots.

Speaker 3: 46:16

No more Podcasts for Ed everybody's.

Speaker 2: 46:19

Out now, you know? Yeah, I saw.

Speaker 3: 46:25

Your Instagram and I was looking and I saw the sign. So you know, you guys were chatting and I'm listening at the same time, but I was like I want to check that place out and I was like you know, sometimes prices are like god crazy way out, but that that place looks really reasonable for, and being that you have very good success there and you've been going back, I mean that says a lot. You know it's, it's, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 46:47

Yep, yeah no, you're not gonna find jersey size bears there. You're not gonna find the five, six hundred pounds. Hell dude, if you shoot a 300 pounder up there, that's a huge bear up there, that's a big bear up there. You know, you gotta remember those. Their bear season is like 50 days a year between trapping and hunting and everything else, right, right. And then during their deer season, like you know, they get a lot of time to pull the trigger and, like you know, make it happen there for them. You know, and you know their bears then four months of the year, five months of the year. So you know you're looking at a totally different animal 140 pound bear up there is like four years old, three, four years old 140 pound bear here in jersey's 18 months old.

Speaker 1: 47:30

You know, it's a totally, it's a totally different animal.

Speaker 2: 47:32

It really is. It truly is and uh and uh. You know that's just biology and you know a lot of people are like man, I can't believe you shot a 160. I want to be honest with you. The 160 something I shot is the biggest one I shot this year, is the biggest one I ever shot up there, right it's not that and it's because I'm a first come, first serve guy man.

Speaker 2: 47:50

I'm there for the three-day hunt and I'm just as happy with 100 pounder. If I shot 160 pounder, you know, if a 250 walked in like, that's great, you know that's great. But I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna shoot a more than likely going to shoot a 250 plus pound animal in october here. You know, yeah, pretty much pretty much it within, uh, a couple, a golf shot and a couple hops from my house. You know like it's, it's not far at all now I get now are you? Are you hunting state?

Speaker 1: 48:21

land? Are you hunting state land?

Speaker 2: 48:25

a lot of what I do is state land. Yeah, almost I'm like 99 state land. Okay, yeah, everything I do, yeah now are you?

Speaker 1: 48:35

just? No, I was gonna say like now, do you like pre-hang your sets or like, are you like a saddle guy, like, what kind of, uh, like, what kind of hunting do you usually do on state land?

Speaker 2: 48:50

so I, I got into the saddle hunting, um the hype, but it wasn't hard for me to get into. Uh, I used to cut trees, you know, as a, as a younger man. So I was, uh, you know it wasn't hard for me to get into it. Uh, you know, piecing it together, buying the stuff, um, you know it's a tool. You know that's how I, I I observe it. You know, um a couple of my friends that we've been doing it for a while now, like hardcore. We've almost reverted back to like, like you know, lock-ons, because it was like, why am I hunting out of a saddle in the same tree over and over again? I could just put a lock on here you know, like it's just like it's a waste of your time.

Speaker 2: 49:30

You know, saddle has its purpose, everything has its purpose. You know, uh, it's a tool. You have to just understand it's. It's an expensive tool, you know but uh, uh.

Speaker 2: 49:40

I, you know, I grew up hunting on a milk crate which was free, you know you know like you just sat at the base of a tree with a milk crate and I had probably just as many encounters that I did then. Do I capitalize better now? Yeah, as as a young kid I didn't have that, but I could definitely tell you most of North Jersey. If you found a black milk crate, it's mine, I can promise you. You know they're all over the woods. I and I'm pretty pretty good with recollection I'm like, yeah, that one's mine, you know.

Speaker 2: 50:09

like for sure, that one was mine you know, you know, I hate to tell you that but that's the truth that, you know, I, I did that. It wasn't hard for me to. You know, do that. You know that's that's something to put a cushion on a milk crate, and that was the end of it. That's where I, that's how I started.

Speaker 2: 50:25

And then, uh, I was, I was afraid of heights. And then, when I got into tree work, uh, it was to make more money, essentially. And, uh, it's, either, you know, climb the tree, don't fall, or you're going to die. You know, that's that's how I kind of looked at it. I was a young, young gun. You know, I was 20 years old at the time, and than I was when I was a little kid, you know, I was a teenager, and then, uh, didn't bother me at all.

Speaker 2: 50:51

And then, when I got into the saddle hunting, it was very easy, you know, it was just like all right, we're just going to do it like this and that's that. You know, shoot, climb a tree. I could, I could do whatever. You know, I into that and I'm, you know, pretty tethered, like the like, if you want to call it like, uh, first era tethered. You know, original platform, original phantom saddle.

Speaker 2: 51:28

Like you know, I had my own like lines that I I made myself, you know, before that I had an arborist saddle before you know I, I did that because I was familiar with that and I knew that I could do it with that. You know, because it's just what I trusted, you know, it's just you know, and I started with that. But I'm uh, you know I, it's just you know, and I started with that. But I'm uh, you know I I deer hunt quite a bit, you know I do. I make my time for it. Yeah, I definitely love the deer hunt, but, uh, I just bear, I I bear hunt between deer seasons, that's if that makes any sense. I don't know how. You know that's what I do just in New Jersey.

Speaker 2: 52:04

We can shoot, we can shoot them. You know, you can pursue them for six months, don't get me wrong. You have your times and stuff like that. But you get into these big chunks of land. I'm in northern Morris County, sussex County area, and there's big, big chunks of public land that I'm telling you that, like nobody's walking in them, like nobody, like very few, you know, and there's a bunch of them. It goes from Wildcat to Berkshire Valley to, you know, weldon Brook, you know the Rockway, all of them they're all within a couple of miles. If not, they touch each other one way or the other. And, man, i'm'm telling you, you can go a long ways and just not see somebody. Now you might see 47 cameras and three bait sites and whatever else, but you're not gonna see the people.

Speaker 2: 52:57

You're not gonna see the people. The people just aren't there. You know they're not there. I hate to say it, but there's not a lot of there's a lot of participation, but there's not a lot of active participation. You know, and we me and my group of buds, you know, we, we capitalize on that. God man, if we get a snow, then poor bastards, they're in trouble. We're going to find them, we're going to find them. You know, that's a.

Speaker 2: 53:21

I will say something that I'm very proud of the people that I hunt with, that we capitalize big time when we find, when we get them in the snow, when we we do well, we do well whenever. But when we get the snow and everybody starts to click and it's almost like we're not even, we're barely talking, we're barely communicating. We just know where they're gonna go and what the next guy is gonna do and how to do it, and we're gonna make it happen. It's awesome. It's an awesome, awesome feeling. I love that. I love when it clicks yeah, you can't beat that no, you get a good group of guys.

Speaker 2: 53:53

I mean, there was a couple times last year we did drives and like we were doing the muzzle loaders or with the shotguns or whatever we would just call quits at like lunchtime. I was like yo, so we're gonna go get like lunch and beers in the garage. I'm like we're gonna do that because like we're done right, and it's like yeah, no, like we're done today, like we're done, we did enough today, like you know already, you know, we did all right.

Speaker 2: 54:13

You know there's something you know just, it's just, it's an awesome, awesome experience. I love, I love doing it. You know, pursuing it. There's a lot of you know a lot of respectable animals in the area, in the region. You know they're everywhere. I feel like there's big. There's big deer and big bears all over. You just got to go find them. I think they're literally everywhere. I don't think there's one spot more than the other. You know, I feel like if you put out cameras in your backyard, put out cameras on top of a mountain, cameras in the middle of a swamp, I don't care wherever you want to go, you know you, you can go find them if you want to go find them.

Speaker 2: 54:46

They're there, you know they're definitely there. I think it's about how hard you pursue it.

Speaker 3: 54:51

You know, that's that's my, that's my biggest thing about it, you know you always get what you put into it, you know, out of it and, and you know, frank, frank and I we're actually going to hunt together. We hunted a little bit together over the last two years or whatever you know, with turkey hunting and stuff like that. We haven't deer hunted together yet, but you know we've got some potential where we're going to hook up and go and I'm watching a fairly decent buck right now and another spot there's another fairly decent one that we're we're both been seeing and you know, like you're saying, you get in with a group of guys and you know stuff works and that's important. You know, with him, him and I, we, we we're not in competition, like you know, we're in the same area but we click. You know it's like we're. If he squeezes a trigger, it's like I squeezed it, I'm happy.

Speaker 2: 55:50

Oh, dude, that's, that's a hundred percent of it.

Speaker 3: 55:52

You know there's not a lot of people, because hunting season I've said this before it brings the asshole out and everybody but. But you know and, and I always like revert back to, I always ask him we're good everything's all right. You know, if something's starting to bother you or whatever, just just tell me, because I'd rather just, you know, climb down out of the tree, walk away and hunt where I hunt. You can still do your thing and we're still friends, because I don't want to, you know.

Speaker 2: 56:21

Ever have that something or another come between us, not I I only have and it's not that like we're in competition, but it's a I have a very, very close friend that like he covers this side and I cover that side, you know right, yeah, and we keep it that way like we keep it that way and we communicate.

Speaker 2: 56:43

We show them back and forth and we communicate. It's not like a wild thing where, like, we're hiding anything I just don't ever want to have. I don't want to step on his toes and I wouldn't, you know, and uh, you know there's a couple other guys but like you know, of a close friend of mine, like I would never, I, uh, I would, I wouldn't want to risk that love. You know a weird you, a terrible thing to have that in a friendship.

Speaker 3: 57:06

Yeah, no, I like you know, it's like I said, it's just, it's just one of those things you know. I mean like he's like I, you know over where I hunt. I'm like you got to come over and he's like, dude, the deer you're showing me are better than up at my and I'm like it doesn't matter, I want to hang out with you, I don't care about the deer, it's the hunting party, it's the, it's the good times together. I mean, yeah, I want to kill this big ass buck, and you know. But I told him I was like you know you, you opened up your spot. You know you're more than welcome to come to my spot. And he's like well, I don't want to take your deer. I'm like if you shot that deer, dude, I'd be happy as hell for you. You know I'd probably cry a little bit.

Speaker 2: 57:43

But you know I mean honestly.

Speaker 3: 57:46

I'd be like ah, I've been watching that deer for four years, but I'm happy, I'm happy as hell you shot that mother, you know, yeah, uh yeah, well, that's, that's just how it is.

Speaker 2: 57:55

You know, like, I, uh, I it's the same same same, you know, and it, and you know there are very few people that come into like your, your, your, your life and something that you love like that much. I mean, when I mean, this is very few and do it as hard as you do. You know, and I don't want to make it sound like super emotional, but it's almost like a brother kind of thing, it's just like you know what, you know what you know like dude, like, let me know, like, like, if it's working out, it's working out for you, you know kind of thing, like you take down there, I'll take there, you got this, I'll do that. You know, like, whatever, I don't want to cross paths, don't want to like, I don't want to interfere, no, nothing.

Speaker 2: 58:39

But when we hunt together because instead of having them as like an enemy, right, I mean, yeah, you don't want that. When we all click together, and even when I even have my actual brother with me and we get going, it's like, hey, we're like a pack of angry wolves, man, like we're starving, you know, and I was like, oh, I was like once we get them going and we get something happening, and like there's movement or whatever, it's nothing to do like a shift, to do like we got to turn it, spin it, you know, the on-axis starts going.

Speaker 2: 59:07

We're flying, uh, we're looking to get into rhinos, to be honest with you, which is from garmin. You know, you could, you could see everybody's. That's what the guys up north use. I didn't know that. Rhinos, yeah, you can, you, you could see everybody's position, you know.

Speaker 2: 59:21

And, uh, it's an expensive feature, but I mean, like, there's a lot of times, man, like you know, we're out there, it's like it's, you know, you're, you're trekking up the hill, these hills, elevations, they're no joke, you know they, they really are like something. So when you're like you know, bring it downhill or go down a bench or something like that, and especially, I'm always like a dog, right, I'm the guy who's like cutting the track, I'm falling. I'm always that guy. I'm never the guy waiting for it to come, I'm always that guy. And uh, when you hear those hammering shots out in front of you, you know, especially when you got a fresh snow and like everything's just white, sugar-coated and it's all down your back and you're already like a mess.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

You know, yeah, and like you know, you get the taxes like you know it's. You know deer down or you know got them or whatever. You're just like. I don't know if there's a better feeling than that. I love shooting stuff with the bow, I really do, but there's nothing better than that. The collaboration of like everybody in a group and when everyone starts, even if it's like just a bunch of big, does you know you're like dude, dude, yeah, like we did that. That's awesome, you know. You know it's just. I love that, love that feeling, love that up and down. That's a, that's a favorite thing of mine.

Speaker 3: 1:00:31

My cousin. He hunts up in the Adirondacks with a bunch of guys in his club and they all use those rhinos he, he's. He's been using them for years, man, and it's money on it. You'll appreciate it a lot more and you know what. If you're hunting big groups and you're doing drives, it, that's a tool you gotta have.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

Yeah so those guys up there if you're familiar with, like thp right, those guys, if you ever watch how they do their stuff and they show like the, the grid, like the topo and how, like everybody moves in and they move in and shift and whatever, it's exactly the same thing. The guys up north, how they explain to me how they do it is that everyone's got a rhino and they go in and they all come in from like different points and they concentrate on like, say, like a mountain right, whatever it's called, just call it, say it's buck, mountain right, and they'll all come in from different points and it'll be like, say, guy a will be like, oh, I cut a track. It gets on the radio because it's a radio. He's like got a track heading this direction, coming towards you. So you, as the guy, whoever it's going to say you're b right, the guy would just like lock up a little bit and the rest of them would kind of like all shift around and just pursue that. And the next thing, you know, one way or the other, at the end they squeeze it like a pimple, just like the THP guys, and, like you know, they're hammering rounds and I was like that's the way to do it, dude, like that's the way to do it.

Speaker 2: 1:01:54

And we started implementing that without the technology, without the you know the satellite, the garments and everything else like that. And we started doing that just by knowing, like by time, you know the satellite, the garments and everything else like that. And we started doing that just by knowing, like by time. You know, like, like you know, listen at like such and such time. We need to end here. If you get there before me, then just like, make it work, just stand post, I'm coming, you know, unless you hear. You know, that's like unless I say differently. And uh, that's how we started doing a lot of things too, which is something that thp did. You know that they display very well, you know. And, uh, that works, that works really well for us too. We do, we do, we do pretty well with that, you know absolutely there's nothing better than like when you're combing big mountains and big hills and everything, you're only seeing like three.

Speaker 2: 1:02:42

If you're seeing four deer, five deer, six deer, it's like a lot, you know, you know. But the ones, everything you're only seeing, like three if you're seeing four deer, five deer, six deer, it's like a lot, you know, you know. But the ones that you're gonna, the ones that you booger out of there and the ones that you know that try to give you the backdoor stuff and everything, they're respectable animals. They really are, you know they might not score 150 inches.

Speaker 2: 1:02:57

But man, when you, when you whack 110, 120 inch buck coming down off the side of a mountain that you know that's been given somebody to slip the entire year, you know, you know it's a, it's a big deal. You know sometimes they're big, sometimes they're big, big animals.

Speaker 1: 1:03:13

You know sometimes they are 130s, 140s, you know they are, you know next level stuff yeah, no, and especially like, even when, like, if you're putting on a drive or whatever, most of the time you'll only see a couple tails. You'll only see maybe two or three deer. But next thing, you know, everybody's like, you know, holy shit, there was like 20 or 30. You're like what? 20 or 30? I only saw two. You know, like they're very smart man, I've seen them do some crazy shit. I mean, we used to watch guys put on drives and we we would use, actually as a kid, we would set up behind the guys that were driving because the deer would constantly just circle them and when they circled, you know, when deer circled back. That's how we used to get most of our deer as a kid yep, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: 1:04:03

That's actually a pretty effective way to do it. We've been, we've been doing certain drives like that to count on the deer like go right in on them and let them get behind us and let the guys and let the guys behind us we're like where we came from, because usually what they do is they run a couple hundred yards and they stop and turn around and trying to figure out what's going on by them. We're already hiding behind trees like they're just gonna get waffled, you know, you know, you gotta, you gotta try to outsmart them. You know, yeah, deer like deer, just like big rabbits.

Speaker 3: 1:04:35

I I got four beagles. I used to run my dogs on rabbits up right here by the house and you, you would. You know people like when you start out it's like oh so the dog pushes the rabbit around in a circle. No, no, no, no, no, the dog's just on the trail of the rabbit. The rabbit runs in a circle to try to get back to his hole. So the dogs are just in tow, they're just staying on the set and keeping the rabbit moving.

Speaker 3: 1:05:05

And I started taking that and actually, like you're saying, you know deer coming in the back door around you, or a deer back, you know he'll backtrack to see what's chasing them. After so long they get curious and I started, you know, applying that like they're just big rabbits, that's all they are. They do. They do a lot of the same shit like a rabbit will do if you push them. And you know it's the gods on this truth. They just want to know what the hell's after them.

Speaker 3: 1:05:22

You, you know, and it's it's like if you, if you've watched the Benoits and you know like a lot, of a lot of these guys that track how blood and you know all these guys are like top, top trackers all around and stuff. I mean you know they have like a theory. They'll say you know if you're in the snow and you're walking. They'll say you know, if you're in the snow and you're walking, okay, you got to imagine it like you're a guy, you know, coming home from work. So that straight track that's going through this and going through that is you on your way home from work. But then all of a sudden that track will bust off to the right or to the left.

Speaker 3: 1:05:56

Now that deer is starting to slow down. That's like you getting home, now he wants to feed, he slowed down. It's like you go in a refrigerator get a beer. So that's when you want to be ready. You know, and it's, it's these things you know and I'm don't I mean, I'm just quoting what these guys said. That's not my. You know stuff. But you know when you listen to these guys that shoot and they produce man, I mean it's. It's good food for knowledge for your brain, let it sink. You know, and you're out there and you're tracking and you start seeing this stuff happen just because it's maine or just because it might be up in the adirondacks or somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 1:06:32

They're still deer. They still do the same stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:06:33

You know and you can apply that you can apply it so much, man, and you know, that's why I love these. I love doing the podcast because I meet so many different people from all over the country, all over. Even we we talked to different groups of people and I hear their stories and how much they line up or what I've learned over the years and uh, it's cool, man, it's, it's really cool. And you know great shows, like you know the THP guys, those, those guys kill it. Man, dan info, I mean the guy's a freaking legend. I mean, you know, I'm 50, I'm trying to be a legend myself, you know, and doing doing these things, getting deer every year, and you know I mean the two bucks that are in the european mount over my shoulder here they came off a mountain and it was the freaking first time I hunted it, you know, and it was public land and uh, you know, and then I got the bear the next year after that in the same, the same, uh, same sit.

Speaker 3: 1:07:23

And you know, when you pay attention, you listen to people and you know you adapt and you, you can use things to your advantage. You don't have to follow everything to a tee, but you take little bits and pieces, find out what's working for you. It's just like you said, man, I was afraid of. You know you were afraid of heights, but when you got in the saddle you were used to doing it as a logger and you know cutting trees and stuff, and you know you adapted. You were using a saddle. You know using a regular lineman saddle to get up in a tree and doing that kind of stuff, and that's cool. That's where all this stuff comes from.

Speaker 3: 1:07:55

You know, and that's why I love doing these podcasts, because you get to talk to people, hear different stories and you know stuff just lines up Everything. People hear different stories and you know stuff just lines up everything kind of lines up like we all love the same stuff, we all come from the same, like mold and stuff, and we we all enjoy what we're doing and we're passionate about. I mean, when I hear you talk, you're just like you're like me, like I get excited and like frankie. I'll tell you I'm. I'm a freaking nut with these freaking, these freaking soul cam pictures. I'm like bro, look, I want to go now and he's like I know a couple more weeks it's going nuts you get going crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:08:34

I'm fighting that. You have no idea how hard I'm fighting that right now. I mean, I'm entertaining the cell cams, I'm doing what I am, but I'm fighting that hard. Right now I operate the cell cams.

Speaker 3: 1:08:45

I'm doing what I am, but I'm fighting that hard right now.

Speaker 2: 1:08:46

You know I, uh, I operate, I operate a fishing business on lake apac on and that right now has got to be my consistency right into the rest of this month pretty much. If I bow hunt a handful of times, it'll be a lot. You know, right now, come the open season, I'll, if I get out a couple of times, it'll be a lot. But my next big focus will be the bear hunt in New Jersey and that's when my time will be in the woods. I'll get out. Before then, you know, I'll stretch my legs, I'll probably shoot something. Before that, I'm hoping to pull back the bow, get the jitters out, you know, knock the dust off the thing, you know. But what, what I'm saying is is that, like you know, balance is everything and it's. It's tough for me.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

I'm not gonna lie, because I'm a yeah, I get locked in man I'm all in and uh, I, I, it's hard for me to shake that and once the boats get out of the water and I and I move on, and it's usually right around muzzleloader season. You know, I, I do rockcation. I try to at least, uh, November some some week, veteran veterans day week or the week before, however I pace it out. However I pace it out. I hunt with family. I got some friends and family that come up and we, uh I, take the week off and you know it's one of those things.

Speaker 1: 1:10:26

no-transcript honed in boy I mean, I'm home a lot more, don't get me wrong don't get me wrong, but like I'm gone, she knows that saturdays I am gone.

Speaker 2: 1:10:42

You know, if it's not like a designated, like opening day or something like that, I am gonzo gods, I will do everything all week. I might get a couple days for winter bow, but for those saturdays, especially into those late seasons, we can gun hunt into uh, damn near almost for first week of february. You know, we can, you know we, really we don't ever let off man. I've shot some really nice bucks in the first week of february. Sometimes it's uh, we just, we just don't let off I just, you know, I'm all in.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

And then eventually it gets to a point where it's kind of like, uh, I don't know how to say it, but it's like in, like an american sniper, you know, and the guy he's like he does, like what he's got to do, and he calls her up and he's like I'm ready to come home now. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. I'm like I'm done. I'm done now, like I'm done, like I'm all in now. I'm done, like I'm just done. I put the guns away and I don't do anything for like days. You know, I just come home and, like there, I watch my kids' cartoons or movies with them for one end I don't do anything. It's like my body just can't tolerate because I beat myself up Anybody who does it. It's something that you do, man. It's like you beat yourself up. I can't imagine what it's like when you get older. I don't know, but I can tell you right now, mid-30s, it's like it hurts after a while.

Speaker 1: 1:12:04

It hurts, you know like I, just when you're bouncing around from state to state, it's even worse mid-30s, mid-30s, you are.

Speaker 3: 1:12:14

Yeah, I'm 50, I hit 50.

Speaker 2: 1:12:17

I hurt my freaking feet, hurt my legs hurt, everything hurt, frankie, I'll tell you, I almost fall down in the woods.

Speaker 3: 1:12:24

I just got an e-bike. I took a freaking little slow tumble off of that the other night. I feel like a retard. I'm out there in the freaking orchard I'm looking around like I hope somebody didn't see me. Just do that, cause that was funny. I'm like and here's the funny part my old lady. My old lady goes did you get a helmet for that fucking thing? Yet, and I'm like no, I don't need a helmet for it. I used to ride a Harley. I'm a Harley guy, I rode Harleys for years. Right, I got rid of Harleys, bought a side-by-side. So then I get this F&E bike because I want to hunt on the thing and she said get the helmet. So I get one on Amazon. Right, the first F at night I wear a helmet. I take a spill on the freaking bike up in the orchard and I'm like if I didn't have the helmet on, I wouldn't have wrecked.

Speaker 3: 1:13:06

It threw my balance.

Speaker 1: 1:13:07

It would.

Speaker 3: 1:13:09

Have you seen my 250 pound ass. I'm going real slow. I hit some ruts and I was looking for deer up through the orchards and I'm like fuck bullshit. Next thing I go, I'm just laying there. I started laughing, laughing, and then I'm looking around. I'm like there's no mexicans working in here. Are they gonna laugh at me?

Speaker 2: 1:13:24

and shit I'm like I was like oh man.

Speaker 3: 1:13:29

So then I get on the son of a bitch, I start riding it. It's fine, and I went. I left my house with like 50 power on it because I rode the shit out of it like the day before or whatever. So I'm just about done. I'm let me get back out to the road. It's starting to get later in the evening. There's a big ass hill. I start pedaling up and it goes. I'm like you mother. I'm like, don't tell me this hour, they're a hundred and freaking three pounds. You can't just pedal them like a mountain bike.

Speaker 3: 1:13:55

So now my fat, overweight ass is on this thing and I'm like I gotta go like two miles back to my house. So I get here, I get home, it's just getting dark. She's like where were you? I'm like the effing bike ran out of battery. Well, why didn't you call me? I said it would have hurt my ego. I'm like I had to come home somehow. I'm not calling you to come pick me up. She's like that's just stupid. You could have called me. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like whatever, I'll just go inside. That's another little game changer, I hope. I hope. Like you know, I think it's going to be really cool because I already I took it out, hung some cameras and shit with it and I was able to like get to this camera site, to that camera site, you know back and forth, not make a lot of noise, things quiet.

Speaker 3: 1:14:40

You know it's cool, I like it, but I just gotta keep it up on it's on the docket of things for me to to want to.

Speaker 2: 1:14:48

I I want to get that daycare right now kills me.

Speaker 1: 1:14:53

I've been there uh, I just stopped paying daycare, thank god.

Speaker 2: 1:14:57

Oh wow, congratulations you know yeah, what are you gonna buy?

Speaker 1: 1:15:01

you know that's what I told him. I was like Squatch, what am I going to do with my money?

Speaker 2: 1:15:05

what are you going to buy?

Speaker 1: 1:15:07

dude, I have no idea yet give it to me.

Speaker 2: 1:15:13

Oh god, dude, I can't stand it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:16

I did go out. I did go out and buy a brand new Polaris 570 four wheeler like a week ago.

Speaker 2: 1:15:25

So that'll do it, that's good enough. You know, start there, that's a good shot. You know, yeah, but but uh, going back, going back to like, you know, like your body hurting and stuff I got. I caught the flu last year first week of march, end of february, right, listen, not like just felt like crap, right, not like puking no guts, no, nothing, just like down and out, like like seven days like down and out. Nothing has repaired my knees and my elbows more than that, nothing. I just laid there and I was like that's what it takes. You just have to just lay there for days for your body to like, re, like, re, like correct itself.

Speaker 2: 1:16:12

You know, because, like I stood up and like my, you know, hiking up those hills, I've suffered it, you know, I've slipped, fell, hurt my legs, all different things, right you, my knees, my knees are like probably the worst things I got going for me right now. Right, played football did all that stuff. My knees hurt me the most, anyway, and you know it gets to the end of the season where you're like, ah, you know, you're really like Holy crap, dude, like it doesn't feel good at all, you know, and I, since, since that, since I got the flu beyond like the 15 pounds that I lost from not eating 15, 20, that really just fell off me. My legs feel great. I was like it's not all bad. I got to watch a lot of movies and stuff, but it really did do a know. You really have to give yourself the time, you know it's. It's very obvious now. You know I hear you.

Speaker 3: 1:17:08

That's just, that's it with us. I mean we're workhorses, you know. I mean I, I work, I work for a highway department full time and I do landscape and excavation work and I'm hurting, you know I'm hurting. And I was telling Frankie I'm like I just got a freaking paver job that I didn't want, but doing a paver wall and freaking sidewalk, and he's like, aren't you hurting? I'm like, yeah, how heavy are those blocks? I'm like 75 pound a piece, man.

Speaker 1: 1:17:34

He's like what the hell are you doing to yourself?

Speaker 3: 1:17:37

I'm like I don't know. It's good money, man, I got to do it.

Speaker 3: 1:17:40

So you do it, so would you tool for that shit, you know, and I'm like, and I'm and it's funny because I'm on the job it's, and I did it the hottest point of the summer is 97, 96 and the guy that owns the place. He comes out and he's like dude, are you crazy? And I'm like what? And he's like you're gonna work today. I'm like, yeah, he's like holy shit. He's like dude, you're crazy. I can't believe you're working in this shit.

Speaker 3: 1:18:05

So I built, I started building the wall. I put down like 55 block the one day, carrying them, you know, and setting them down. He goes are you all right? I'm like, yeah, I'm about ready to go home and jump in the pool now, cause it's like three o'clock. I feel like I'm cooked. Let me get you a beer. So you get some beer. And, uh, I had a beer with him. I'm like, yeah, I'm done, frig this shit. He goes how heavy are those? I go go pick one up. This guy's like holy shit. I said 55 of them I put down today. He's like that's pretty impressive, dude. I'm like, yeah, and I'm gonna pay for it tomorrow.

Speaker 3: 1:18:38

But I'll be honest with you. I, I, I was okay, I did all right with it. It's, it seems like when I slow down in between stuff, that's when I hurt more.

Speaker 1: 1:18:48

You know, and it's like hunting season.

Speaker 2: 1:18:50

That's it, that's anytime.

Speaker 3: 1:18:52

So hunting season, I'll twist the wrong way Rib cramps, I'm like. Ah, I think I'm having a heart attack up in the shirt.

Speaker 1: 1:19:02

Who's one of our first turkeys? He's turkey, sits. He's over there. He's like I'm like are you alright? What's wrong with you? He's like ah, frankie, don't get old son of a bitch.

Speaker 3: 1:19:14

I'm like, yeah, just make fun of me, dude, it's alright it's all good, it's all good it's all good, trust me.

Speaker 2: 1:19:23

Trust me, I'm not. I don't want to call myself an old dog, but I just go hard. And it's all relevant. It's all super, super relevant.

Speaker 1: 1:19:30

It is that's it All right, guys, I think we're going to wrap it up for tonight. Eddie, you got any last words or anything, or anything you want to say.

Speaker 2: 1:19:41

No, I appreciate you guys having me on here. If you're interested, my Instagram's the underscore mountain savage and if you guys are interested in fishing or anything, I have a fishing business on Lake Opecon. It's Mackens Rippin' Lips Fishing Trips and you can find me at Mackens Rippin' Lips on Instagram, facebook, anything like that, what? Do you catch in there. Oh, we do a little bit. Everything.

Speaker 2: 1:20:07

Lake of pack on is full of everything you know it's the biggest, biggest lake in the in the state, and you know walleyes and hybrid stripers are the bread and butter. You know there's muskies there, nice uh, cabbage that one yeah, tons of panfish.

Speaker 2: 1:20:22

I mean there's an abundance of, uh, you know I I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm thinking like 40 or 50 percent of that lake is like less than like 15, 15 feet. You know, a lot of it's relatively shallow, so the pan fishery there is just like it's awesome, it's fantastic. And then, uh, you know, the walleyes are right up there with the stripers. They're just top notch. That's the bread and butter, that's who rules the roost there and that's, uh, that's what I target. A lot, a lot of that, you know yeah, I might.

Speaker 1: 1:20:49

I might hit you up for that, because I'm actually I I work right in mount olive, so I'm not too far from there, so I might hit you up one day.

Speaker 2: 1:20:56

No, you're like 10 minutes away, 15 minutes away, you're not even that far literally so I'll take you up on that with these cool nights coming and, uh, you know, the water temperature took a dive man. Uh, you want to talk about crazy stuff. I left, just before I left, for maine. Uh, it was on the 20 I don't know what, it was 22nd, 23rd, something like that. When I left, water temperature was 79 degrees. I came back on the 30th and when I was fishing on the 30th, when I started my boat in the morning, it was 68 degrees. That means that lake dropped I mean, I wasn't there, I wasn't down a full week, you know and that lake dropped 10 degrees.

Speaker 2: 1:21:38

So, uh, it's really, it's fall, it's, it's already shifted into like a real fall pattern already and the walleyes with that, the walleyes and stripers are going to start shifting. We're still doing great, still doing good, but the walleyes are going to really ramp up here and I'll be running a lot more designated walleye trips in the next—that's what I did all last fall, pretty much the entire month of October. I would just do night wall walleye trips, just tossing lures for walleyes in the shallows and stuff like that. It's really good as the, as the water like starts to dive back down towards, like you know, cooler temps. That's what I'm talking about that's, that's that's what it takes to dive, but anyway, that's something that I'm doing now that that that's my focus. Nice man, I have to take you up on that.

Speaker 1: 1:22:22

But all right, good squad, you got anything else bud.

Speaker 3: 1:22:25

No, man, Just a pleasure to meet you, Ed, and you know I started following you on Instagram, so that's cool, man. I can't wait to see what you do. Good stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:22:35

I appreciate it. Guys. Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:22:37

Yeah, absolutely, we'll have to get you on again. Definitely good luck this season, ed. You gotta let me know how you do and, uh, I'll keep you in the loop as far as how we're doing and how our season's going, and we'll just go from there. Bud, we'll get you back on too awesome, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:22:56

I like that, thank you yeah, anytime.

Speaker 1: 1:22:59

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