SPEAKER_00: 0:31

Yeah, the last trip over, I shot a great cake off whooping the bow charging.

SPEAKER_03: 0:36

And then the whooping. And then you hear all right, boys. We are back. Field notes number five. It's been a couple of weeks since we've all been on. It has been crazy to already start the year. Um, I don't know. It feels like this year was different. Like, usually, and you guys are, you know, being new and everything like that to the team, like usually we're on it. But I feel like after right now, we're leaving the woods. Everyone gets home so late. Everyone has different things to do. A lot of the guys there, you know, Connor, Zach, you know, they Frank, all you guys, um, Craig, you guys all have kids, family, stuff that you need to do. By the time I get home, it's it's super late already. But we're slowly getting into that time now where this sunset is going at. I think we're at 6.25 here in New Jersey today. It's gonna keep going down. So this will be a lot easier moving forward to to get on and everything like that. But boys, how's how's it been? Uh I enjoying every minute of it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36

Yeah, yeah, it it's been good. It's been uh, you know, right now, like you know, they call that, you know, like jury boys say this is kind of starting the October lol, but man, I I don't know I don't believe in that one bit. No, I I I I think I think it's all property base, where you are in the country, yeah, uh the deer on the property, the the whole setup. Um, so yeah, I I'm not a huge believer in that no um as well. But um what I have noticed just recently, I mean, I I like I said in the last podcast, like I could have tagged out on October 1st, but Mike, if you remember that buck, I mean it was a nice buck, um decent, pretty good size body, but he short-timed wide a-pointer, that it just wasn't the guy I was going for. Um, the the two that I am have been showing up uh consistently, but they're two and a half hours after shooting light, a lot of nocturnal blah blah blah, but that's obviously gonna change. Oh, it's gonna change like that. Yeah, the the the one thing that's been and I don't know how it's been there out on the east coast, Mike, but it's obviously been probably been very similar for Craig and I. But what I have noticed this year early season, and it's been really frustrating, as we know the number one defense mechanism of a whitetail is their nose. Okay, and every it's been really warm, really dry. Yeah, but we have been at least in my situation on my friend's farm in south central Wisconsin. I mean, normally it's the last 35 to 40 minutes, you know, that sun, the sun sets, and then whatever the wind is, it dies down. Yeah, sometimes there's still a little bit of wind, other times it's completely still, and we know when it becomes completely still, that is not good from a whitetails perspective. When they cannot be able to scent check, blah blah blah. But I what I've been noticing, it's been really strange for over the past two weeks. I'm talking five o'clock central standard time, the winds have died, and we've had a lot of south winds, southeast winds.

SPEAKER_01: 4:09

We had a lot of southeast, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 4:11

Yeah, and it's been bizarre. I mean, the the times I've been on stand, it's the last hour and a half of shooting light. There's no wind. And I'm like, this is not good. Yep, so that that this has been um a very different early season for me in terms of playing the wind and everything. So yeah, it's awesome to be in the stand, but it it it's been a struggle so far.

SPEAKER_01: 4:41

No, and I I can relate it like that because I even like like last night sitting that river bottom stand, I had a southwest wind, which that stand is good for. Um it was 17 mile per hour winds, and also like like Connor was saying, 530, 535 hits, it's almost like if I spit, I'm gonna echo the freaking woods. And I I personally hate, you know, I have a lot of friends here at bow honey on the I love coming when you know I don't want to go wind because I can I can hear the deer. But do you understand? They can also hear you if you're chewing gum or if you're doing something, they're gonna hear that. I want the wind. I want the wind. I'm not saying I want a 30, 40 mile per lens, but like when I had last yesterday at 4 o'clock, 17 milepark lens, I loved it. I loved it. I loved every second of it. And that wind died down, I felt like now, oh, you gotta be a mummy. Use your numbers. You move one bit. I mean, everyone, I don't know. I I guess I've had encounters with it. I've had problems with it, like where the wind dies down, you think you're like this moving, blah, blah, blah. You think you can hear the deer walking through the woods. I tell you what, yeah, you can't always hear them when that wind's calm as hell because I've been picked out more than I should have been. And those deer 30 yards behind me, I never knew they were there. You think, well, there's no wind, I should be able to. I knew they were coming in.

SPEAKER_02: 6:08

No, that's that's no, and as you all 98% of the time, it's all freaking squirrels, you know, they're they're getting those acorns and they're taking them up to their deal for the winter. Um yeah, the the whole wind thing, like people saying, like, you know, they don't want they they want less wind or whatever, and then there was the the you hear a lot about oh, when there's 20, 30 mile an hour winds, the deer don't move. Bullshit, they do they do they're they're gonna do the same thing that they do every year during the rut. Um, I that's been something that I have been uh frustrated with, you know, early on the season. I want that wind, I want them to be able to get up and move. And hopefully, as a as a bow hunter, common sense, we've made the right choice to sit in the stand that's gonna be most favorable to us with that wind in our face. Yeah, and you know, obviously there's always marginal winds where we can maybe get away with some stuff, but yeah, it's been it's been really strange so far, Mike. So hopeful, hopefully that's gonna change here pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01: 7:21

And it's funny that to relate on that comment about like the high winds and deer don't move in highs. That's false because like the property that I hunt in Chronicle, we got so my I don't have like the 40, 80, or 120 acre woods. I it's it's a travel core. And everyone says, Oh, I don't know how you're gonna hunt that travel corner so much, you can must get frustrated on seeing money deer. See, that's to me that's false because I'm personally hunting in it. I love a travel corner because when it comes to running, I want to be in a travel court. I want to be in the freaking woods, sitting on the river or on the edge of the pig corner field. Like I want to be there. And I my property alone, like I can relate to this because I've seen it. I went as it, you know, not this year yet, because we haven't had really I haven't hunted in like 25, 30 mile per hour winds, but like going back to like spring turkey, they always say if you got high winds, turkeys want to be in the open so they can be alert and for their predators or whatever. I've noticed it where like if it's really, really high winds and I'm in a field, I'm seeing a shitload of deer in that field. So I it might just be me, I don't know, but I look at it very, very high winds, and I want to get to a field if it's the right wind for a high wind, but I know I'm gonna see deer, and I have seen deer. Like I they're they're out there because they're they feel more comfortable, they feel to me, I feel like they feel more safe out there because they can't hear, but now they got their eyesight.

SPEAKER_02: 8:49

Yeah, well, and and in my opinion, I think a number one indicator for deer to start moving out of the woods edge in the evening or the morning. If they see a flock of turkeys out there, because you know, turkeys can pick you off from 300 yards, you move a half an inch and you're pinned and you're done. They're using them as security. That's what they're doing, they're using them as security. The deer know that if they see a flock of turkeys out there, then they I think they feel more comfortable. Okay, it's all right to start moving out and feeding.

SPEAKER_03: 9:24

So we'll see. All right, all right, I'll agree with you on that. And you know, I will say, especially yet again, we were out September. That was happening the first couple of weeks of the season for us, where all of a sudden the wind would just die down and be nothing. Um, it was really weird. Now that we're getting into the fall for us, like a lot of the leaves have fully changed, like it is like we're in full, we're finally in that full fall weather, and also it has gotten we the other day was 33 degrees. Um the last the last couple days has been like the woods have just changed. So, as everyone knows, you know, or if you don't know, our bear season starts Monday. Um, so we you know, we were we're out scouting last week, and how we kind of do it is because here in New Jersey, you can't hunt on over bait, and you have to be a hundred yards away. Oh so what we do is we go out and kind of hunt them like deer, and we go out and find the freshest sign. So we try to find cornfields, acorn like where where are they going to be? Everything that we do, swamps. You know, they're gonna be in a swamp, you know what I mean? You know, like you know, we find standing corn, boom, we're always finding bear sign and everything like that. And that's kind of how we we we do it. Uh next year, when you guys come, um we have already decided, and even for us too in the future, to start, we're gonna put, I think, at least two bear sites out. Um, because sometimes hunting that style of deer, just like any other animal, sometimes they're just not there. Like they're around in the area, but they're just not I we want them coming in as much, especially on a cornfield or or something like that. Like it just will help and make things uh just a little easier. Um, but not much sign last year uh or last week, not not much sign, not much deer sign, like there were some scrapes, you know, your stuff like that, not much bear sign. Like we found like one or two good spots. And this week we were out today, and the difference of the woods, first of all, everything's yellow, orange, everything like that. You got that beautiful fall foliage coming coming in, and then rub, scrape, bear poop, bear print. We found a monster track. Um and then we found a nice scratch tree where a bear just went up and we don't even think wasn't even standing up, just reached his arm up and just and just scratched. Um, so the woods are they're they're coming alive. I had a spike mouth open, breathing all heavy, chasing, chasing those around and everything like that. Yeah, I I you guys saw that and everything like that. Uh like a freshman in college, baby, just trying to find that fresh tail. And that's the thing, like it's it's that's exactly what it is. It is a hundred percent. Giants just haven't just haven't started coming out yet. And you know, something I love, and ever since I I I said this on a podcast a couple years ago. The rut is like a bunch of college kids going out to a bar, they're doing a bunch of fucking cocaine, yeah, they're doing a bunch of Red Bull and vodka, and they're literally just trying to get laid or or or fight, and that's literally what it is. It's a bunch of crackheads just running around. It is. Um and right now, like like Craig said, we got the freshmans, the the youngins are are getting a little horny before you know the the main time, but man, it's I'm so excited. Like, I can't wait. Like this, yeah, and it seems like we're actually gonna get real fall weather, we're gonna get real winter this year, and everything like that. Something that we've been missing for a couple years. I've heard you know the rumors of the rut is going to be more like a a normal rut. I agree, and things like that. And you already saw I I think I'm yeah, I'm already starting to see things, especially compared to last year. We had that drought. I don't know about you guys, but I imagine you guys had the drought too last year and everything like that. And the woods were just very different last year. Like, I I didn't wasn't seeing as many scrapes, rubs, and now this year it's like completely different.

SPEAKER_02: 13:54

I think, and I don't know how it was up in uh Craig's area in Green Bay, but uh I on the podcast last week, Mike. I I think the the drought, at least in south central Wisconsin, has been worse here. I mean, to your point, usually obviously Midwest. You guys see all of our weather two days later, whatever. We have not when I was sitting on stand last night, and I you know, I sat to, and I've mentioned before off our um friend's farm, there's 3,000 acres of the Cherokee Marsh, and there are absolute like world-class deer in there, but when you got that much acreage, obviously they've got a lot of places to hide to where they don't need to come through the woods. But point being, when I was sitting on stand, I was just kind of enjoying sitting there, taking everything in, and the leaves. I mean, to hear you Mike say that you're already getting that color. I mean, here we are Saturday, October 11th, and the maples, which usually the autumn blaze ones, you know, they start from the top, getting their you know, beautiful red color. We're I mean, we have a little bit of it, but in the woods on my friend's farm. Now, again, I sat to uh public stand off to the west of his property last night. There's literally zero color. Yeah, it's been so dry. Yeah, we have hot. Yeah, yeah, the leaves are just falling. There's just no color.

SPEAKER_01: 15:34

I have nothing in green uh in Croggo. It's it's it's all green. Yeah, it's all green.

SPEAKER_02: 15:39

I don't I don't know how that's I mean, the the deer are gonna whitetails are gonna do their same thing every year. Yeah, it's it's just gonna be interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 15:48

Well, you gotta you gotta remember, and this is a big especially when it comes to scrapes, and this is something I and I think we talked about this on a earlier show too. Last year, I know there's no moisture in the ground, and they need that for what when they're making scrapes. They share, I mean, you could see like for for us on the east coast and here in Jersey, like we have that. Like, I you know, I went to make a mock scrape and made a mock scrape, and you could just see the it's actual like dirt, like you could smell the moisture, you could smell that real dirt, it's not real dry, like and it will hold the urine and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01: 16:24

Um, it's funny that you say that, but because um yesterday I um well yeah, yesterday for my hunt, I went by my ground line and I went and I'm not gonna lie, I pissed in my ground line, and then um coming back, coming back out, I took my flashlight on the ground on the scrape, drier than dry. Now, it's funny because like when I made that mask scrape by that ground line, when I put it up like a week ago, I was you know, just you know, kicking the dust up when I was kicking the dirt up. It was literally just just dust. There was no moisture, it was just all just it was just dry. And then I found that my post I made today. I found it's like where my ground line is about 25 yards up, a buck made a scrape and just rubbed the hell out of that tree, which I posted on Instagram. It's drier than dry. Like it's there's no moisture at all where I am right now. Yeah, I mean zero here. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm we're literally wrapped around the Pasaki River and they call it a river, not a crick. Well, if I wanted to right now, I can put my crocks on, walk across that river, across the rocks in the backyard, and I got my feet wet. That's how low that water is right now. It's yeah, it's a game. It's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03: 17:42

Yeah, it's uh we we got right now a northeastern hitting us for the next couple days. Um, I think it rained. Rained the other day. Um and now it's it's gonna rain for the next three days uh hard. Um and it's yeah, I mean, after with bear and everything like that, Monday we'll we'll see what we're what we're gonna get Monday and everything like that. But Tuesday, that first rainfall, anybody listening, whether you're hunting deer, bear, whatever, the minute it starts slowing down or lets up, you got to get to the woods. They're gonna be on their feet immediately. Um, and that's exactly like we, you know, we're hoping that Monday, it's not a complete washout. We're hoping we can get out. It's if it's a light rain, we're gonna be out there. Um, you know, if it's a torrential downpour, obviously we're not it's not even worth it. And but Tuesday, we're really like our eyes are really set for Tuesday. It's like, all right, and I think you'll see a lot of bears or and deer get killed after this this storm, and it's supposed to be nice and cool. Um, so deer should definitely animals should be moving.

SPEAKER_02: 19:03

Yeah, that's why I think those uh I bought one last year. Um Muddy makes one. I think a bunch of companies, but those, you know, the same thing as like your um the bow hanger, you know, a lot of the companies make this the screw in uh for the umbrella. Oh dynamite, yeah. You know, especially to your point, Mike, if it's not a driving rain, if it's something that's just showers, they're they're still gonna get up to move and feed and and whatnot. Um, so yeah, that that's something I've always got in my pack, especially for early season. That's smart.

SPEAKER_03: 19:40

I mean, I I've I've had one. Um I I'm such a mobile, I move so much, and the problem, like I I need a cut down on stuff that I have. Yeah, right. But it's a smart thing to have, like to keep, and I'm probably gonna get one to keep in the truck for days, kind of like that. Um, that would be like something that's necessary. Like, obviously, you got I got the rain gear, everyone get has the rain gear and everything like that. But especially with camera, you know, when we're talking camera equipment and everything like that, like then like being dry actually becomes like a pretty serious like thing for me because now we're we're dealing with expensive equipment of you know, and I'm not gonna be able to just replace that just like like that. Right, right. Um, and then also boys, I finally, and everyone, you know, usually I find a bunch of good bucks, and this year I wasn't finding really any. I I found like maybe one, but no, like, oh my god, giant, like none that I was like, yes, like that's the deer I'm chasing. And this week I have found not one, but two, and just one of them is just an absolute jersey, just stud. And I have slowly but surely, piece by piece, finding exactly the area that he beds in. And when I first saw him uh earlier in the week or last week, he hit my camera at nine something. And there's three spots where I thought he was bedded, and I was like, all right, I'm gonna go across the river, and I think he's I think he's over there. Let me go, I go across the river, just deer sign just everywhere, just tracks. It's not, it's kind of like what what you're talking about, it's a travel quarter. They're not I don't think they're they're betting in there, but they're cruising it. And during the rut, it is there's a creek, there's there's a creek bottom. They are going to be cruising, yeah. And it leads from one bean field, and if he goes into across the river, it goes to another bean field. Um, and I think he's somewhere between where I put my second camera and one of the bean fields. And the cool thing is, too, without giving too much away, you know, he can't go forward, he has to go left to right. Right? You can't like it's it's it funnels per like he just can't do it. Right? Not no human can do it, no animal can do it unless you can fly. Um, and I am going to go the opposite side after Bear Week and put another camera where I think he is, and put the piece of the puzzle. I need a north, northeast wind, and I could probably get in there with a northwest wind. Hunting morning, I've already, unless like I buy myself a little canoe or kayak or something, yeah, is is kind of a no-go. It'd be way too loud for me to cross that river walking. Um but it's gonna have to be evening hunting, and that might be something a hunt where it hits 10 a.m. and I just walk right in and have lunch, everything is gonna be in my pack. I get out there at 10 a.m. and I don't leave until I kill them or until I run out of time. Yeah, so I obsolete.

SPEAKER_02: 23:09

Yeah, I mean, I mean, for those uh situations, I uh like Squatch said, I save the pennies, it was just delivered on uh Wednesday. I got my first e-bike, so I am so frigging pumped about that. I got the baskets for it and everything, and the you know, the the braces that you'd put on a four-wheeler to hold a rifle or whatever, but you know, they can hold a bow. And as I've as I've said before on the show, um my my buddy's property, uh it's it's extremely difficult to ask access any stand without you know letting them know you're there. And I I really feel the the far east side of the farm is the number one stand where I've got you know Gerard's uh the the pre-orbital, and they are hammering. I've got love pre-orbital, love pre-orbital, seven different bucks hammering that every single night, working the scrape, um hitting you know the licking branch or whatever. And I I really feel like that is gonna be the key. Uh, the I don't know when the corn's gonna come down with how dry it is this year, but yeah, I between the woods edge and the corn, I should still be able to get in there, and just to not even if you spray down the shit out of your boots, yeah, they still smell something. And to be able to get in there, now I I don't know. I mean, you've got your rubber boots, but you've also got your rubber tires, yeah. But but still to eliminate um potentially any of my scent to be on and be able to get in there quick and quiet, to your point, Mike, about you know, trying to get into anywhere and be quiet. I I think this is hopefully gonna be the answer. So that is that is the hottest part of the farm is the east side, um, where three or four shooters are coming by every night. Now, a lot of it is still nocturnal, that's gonna change. Yeah, I mean, the younger bucks are daylighting. The the the one that I had the opportunity at on October 1st, um, he was pretty regular, the last hour of light. But yeah, like I said, I made a choice. Um, that that wasn't the buck I I had an opportunity, that's all I could ask for, but that wasn't the buck that I my heart was set on to harvest, so we'll see what happens. Um but yeah, it's just different. It's crazy how on the east coast you're you're seeing a lot of the foliage turning and whatnot in the Midwest, where you know, obviously we're west of you. We uh we haven't seen squat yet.

SPEAKER_03: 26:02

Yeah, yeah. It it's yeah, it's it's and I'm I'm surprised because you guys are mid, but you guys are also higher up too than everything like that. Um it just shows you to go, you know, the the difference of of everything like that, and you know, um, which is gonna be a really cool faceting year too. It's awful having your guys because you know, we get we have we have East Coast guys, you know. I mean me, Frank, you know, we're all Jersey, one New York, and you know, with Zach, you know, he's down in uh Virginia and everything. But now it's it's great getting you know the Midwest perspective of things and seeing how things are are kind of unfolding over there for you guys in Wisconsin and everything like that. Um but yeah, I'm like I'm so surprised that like that's what because here it's like at least in the west northwest of Jersey, you know, up where where we are, like it's it's fall. Like it's I don't I can't see, you know, there's nothing else I can say. Like it is it is pumpkin spice lattes, um flannel weather, it's everything that you see in movies and everything like that, Halloween stuff, pumpkins out, like for us, like I I'm a huge Halloween guy, so you know, me and fiance, so it's like it's it's a great time for for us there, but it's also hockey season, football season, uh, baseball season. Everything is now with hunting, everything is now going on. Um and it's it's it's exciting. And you know, hopefully we we have uh things are just gonna heat up. You know, last year we we had killed so many, like I I don't even know what it was like in the early season. I still think we got off to but like I think now from basically now till the end of November, it is going to be like a whole different ball game for for all of us. And hoping, hoping we can get two, three, maybe even four bears down. I would I'd be uh I'd be pretty happy with with that if we can if we can get that and everything like that. So we're we're looking forward to it. Um boys, uh any do you guys do you guys get a chance to to hunt bears or anything like that? Or where you guys are from?

SPEAKER_01: 28:22

Well let you I'll let you go first, Craig. Well, trust me, my story ain't gonna be fucking long because uh so we're I'm in okay, so I well I live in Green Bay. Inlaws property is in Krakow, which would be Ocano County Lake, just just about 10 minutes north of Pulaski. And um last year, October 19th, I had uh a big black bear come into my mock scrape and rip my robe down and screw up my whole mock's grave. I wasn't really happy about that. But we do have bear around the problem with well, like as Connor knows, uh you know, Wisconsin has zones, right? So we're in zone Connor. If I'm uh we're we're south of the highway 22 is zone C, correct?

SPEAKER_02: 29:14

So I I'm considered uh South Farmland zone. Okay, I mean down by me, uh just real quick, if if there's any bear that comes down south of Portage, okay, which is about 30 minutes north of me, yeah. That that's on the news.

SPEAKER_01: 29:33

Like there are no bears. I've heard okay, that makes sense. Okay, so then okay, so then yeah, okay, so then we are zone C. So with zone C, when we put in for a tag, they say it's a one to one to three years of a draw. I mean, one year I put in for a tag just for shits and giggles, like I'm not gonna get fucking selected. I don't even have the fucking bear bed on whatever. And Boom, my name gets drawn. I'm like, oh fuck, what do I do now? Did I bear hunt? No, I didn't. I start struck right to Whitetail. But now you get Wisconsin, highway 22 runs east to west. You go above that, you got zone B. That's a 13-year wait. I tell you right now, with the lifespan that us humans have, you don't know if you're gonna wake up, you don't know what's gonna happen on the highway. I'm not waiting 13 years to draw a freaking bear tag when I'm a resident. So then when I got the opportunity from um from you guys and Frank to come out there and bear hunt, and then I heard about what the price was for a bear tag and what you get for that tag. I go, my wife looked at me, she goes, Yeah, you're gonna drive freaking that that many hours to go hunt beer because that's dirt cheap, Craig. How you'd be stupid not to go out there. I'm like, You're gonna let me drive alone? She goes, Absolutely not. I go, then how am I getting out there? I go, no, I'm I won't care. I got my boy Connor, I'm asking Connor. And you know, the thing is too, is like that drive between two people, that's nothing. And then Frank gave us the awesome opportunity. Uh, Connor, you and I will collab, you know, and we'll talk about stuff. We got a year to think about it. And you know, Frank goes, save your money on a hotel. Cambo in the backyard. See, that right there is love and respect. We got a campsite too.

SPEAKER_03: 31:29

Okay, there you go. The boys, the boys, we we camp. So we're gonna be at camp. But next year, we're gonna be there for a week. I mean, I love Frank, don't get me wrong. That's that's my I I love Frank love days off, right? Um, but yeah, me, Peyton, Zach, like we're all gonna be up at camp. We've this will be our second year doing it. Well, then I mean I did again.

SPEAKER_01: 31:48

I but I I'll pay, I'll pay for the campsite. It's not well then I then dinner's on me the first night, then, because we I want to truly experience this, and especially for me and Connor having the opportunity to be on this team to come out and meet you guys hand in hand. Like, let's do this, let's make this remember. I can give two shits less if I shoot a bear, if I see a bear. Granted, you guys have a lot more your bear out there like white tails in our field. You know, I've heard about that. And yeah, I'm just I'm just I think I'm just more jacked up for to for one, even though, yeah, Connor, you live in Wisconsin, I never met the guy in person. We're Cubs fans, we're gonna collaborate real well. So the drive over there is gonna be awesome. Like, I'm excited to meet Connor one-on-one, to go out there and just share stories, memories, meet you guys. Like, to me, if I don't get a bear, I can get two shits less. That take is dirt cheap. For our team to get a bear tag or uh get a bear on the ground with the bowl, whatever, the camera's gonna be coming out, the celebration is gonna happen. Like, I'm I'm that's what I'm more stoked about is more of the of the team success than just an individual success, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 33:02

So yeah, and that that's that's what we said too. Like, I'm just going just going through like this season right now, like every bear that we get, it's like Peyton's killed two the last two years in the same like, but it's a team, like a team effort. He gives us all the money, everything like that. It's like it it's just so much fun, you know. This year, obviously, all we want all the guys to get it, but even if one guy or two, like if two guys get it, like that's a big successful like week for us for six days of of hunting. Um but it's and and then also just uh uh another thing, yeah. It's the the bears too. If you buy a deer tag, you can hunt deer and bear at the same, and that's exactly obviously because we live here, but that's what we do too. Like we you can kill everything, a doe, a bear, a buck. Um, I think it's I don't know what the price is for for deer tag for for you guys and everything like that. I don't I think maybe 75 at the most um for for out of state. I I think I don't think it's I don't think it's crazy um to get your your your tag. I'll see you guys. And that tag is tech that that tag is technically good. You're what's all all year basically. So okay, so when you oh sorry, oh no, keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_02: 34:28

No, I was just gonna say everything is so as Craig knows is so heavily regulated hunting-wise here in Wisconsin. Oh god, I mean you like Mike, you cannot um you you basically buy a preference point a year for for bear.

SPEAKER_03: 34:46

So, like for like what they do in in Iowa or like Kansas or exactly correct, yes, correct. Which I would guess.

SPEAKER_02: 34:53

This is the thing that is so ridiculous about it. You have to get eight preference points in the state of Wisconsin before you're even considered to draw a tag in the state of Wisconsin as a goddamn resident, and that's no, and Connor, and that's what's crazy to it.

SPEAKER_01: 35:13

Like, like you said, so you look at zone B in Wisconsin, they say the average, so like like Connor said, you got eight preference points. So now every year, what is it, Connor? Like five bucks to put in for a tag, you know, and if you get one, it's like fifty dollars or whatever it is. So you look at this, so you you put in a preference point, you get a preference point for eight years. Now you're like Connor said, you're only considered. I had a I this is crazy because like my my wife's and uncle live up in Goodman, Wisconsin, zone B, full of bears. She's putting in a tag, and it came to eight year eight, like Connor said. Okay, now you're considered 14 years, and she finally got drawn, and you know, and God bless her, and I'm proud of her. She shot her first bear ever with her archery combo the second night. But 14 years as like Connor said, as a resident, get the get out of here. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and pay. Like, yeah, I guess I just I have my own thoughts and my own, like I guess I voice my opinion so much, but you know, as being a Wisconsin resident, paying the taxes, like any state, anybody, anywhere, for us residents to wait 14 years to go shoot a bear, get out of here. Like that that is to me, it's simply just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02: 36:38

Yeah, that that that's just why I I gave up. Um, you know, because they expire after certain amount of it. Same here. I don't do it no more either. I I don't do it. And and with with my daughters and sports and whatever, it's like I'm sorry, I'm I'm just you know, I'm a I'm a white-tailed junkie by heart. Um, and you know, the being able to hunt bare and all, I mean, that sounds phenomenal out in Jersey. How you guys can you guys are blessed to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03: 37:11

Yeah, I mean, and our state's crazy when it comes to like the anti-hunters, and yeah, well, it sounds like a blessing that we yeah, we have a blessing compared to compared to you guys.

SPEAKER_02: 37:23

Well, I mean, here in Wisconsin, like, yeah, like it is a massive typically on average in Wisconsin, you know, it's gone down over the years, but I would say that typically there's between 250 and 270,000 people that um get a tag for bow hunting every year, and then for gun season, it's anywhere between 600 to 700,000 people that get uh gun gun wheat tags. Um but it yeah, it it's it's I don't know. The the way the way that and the other thing is is I mean, obviously we've got some mega giants here in the state of Wisconsin. Oh, yeah, we do all area dependent in terms of agriculture and etc. But the DNR also I think heavily inflates the deer population um as to what it really is, but I don't know. I mean, I I wish what you guys have out there in Jersey and just the east coast in general. I I wish we had those those additional opportunities because yeah, having to wait eight years for a tag as a resident is just yeah, that's wild.

SPEAKER_01: 38:40

It's absurd, it's it's absolutely absurd.

SPEAKER_02: 38:44

And we we also have a massive, massive bear population in the state of Wisconsin. There's no shortage of bears. No, there's no shortage.

SPEAKER_03: 38:55

That's insane.

SPEAKER_01: 38:56

It's it's and I think that's what it comes down to, like kind of saying, like, you know, for us to have to wait as a resident eight years for a zone Bono 22 or whatever, it it makes the love for hunting other than other other than white tails. Like, I lost love for it here in Wisconsin. I'm strictly and it comes to spring, it's turkeys, fall, white tail, winter, I'm chasing flags and having fun. I lost all the love for anything else, you know. Like, I mean, every year I buy my small game tape because if I see a young and I'm sorry, good night, you're gone, you're done. Yeah, and now you know, I now like my cell cameras have been going off like crazy on my phone, so I'm kind of curious what's on there, but like raccoons, my good god. I I tell you what, I I I joke around my my mother-in-law, Carrie, I go, I don't know what you guys have in this water or what you have out here, but what are you feeding these things? Because I had a coon come on um the other night. I couldn't even see its freaking legs, like that thing, it was so bulging fat. And I don't know, no. Shh, yeah, I already saw it, dude. Damn it. I fucking hate Vaughn. Vaughn is kissing my ass. Um, like I already touched my taxidermist asking him, like, hey, how much is it for um a full-mount record? And he goes, dude, I've known you forever, dude. I know you since you were a child. And he goes, go kill one, we'll work out a deal. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get my small game take because I'm gonna drill a raccoon with my bolt, and I want to get a full body moat because these things I I can't put it into words how fat these things are, and it's just it's stupid. Like, I it's it's just dumb. And they're everywhere, they're just everywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 40:39

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I bel I believe that, but boys. I mean, I I think we'll I think we'll end it here. Um we will be back after bear season. Everyone in in New Jersey heading out for the Bear Woods. Good luck. We are looking forward to everything. I hope everyone out there, you know, has a very successful time, uh, has fun and stay safe. So boys out in Wisconsin, we hope for uh some better weather for you guys, maybe get that that real fall weather, maybe some some rain and everything like that for you guys. Yeah. Um and you know, hope things really start kicking up for you guys in in the next probably in the next probably week. I I I definitely would hope. So it's gonna kick up.

SPEAKER_02: 41:25

I'm hoping to be able to provide some good content on a big Ohio buck. So in the next one.

SPEAKER_03: 41:30

There you go, girl. Yes, enjoy, enjoy Ohio. We will get the whole update when when you get back. We're looking forward to it. Good luck. Craig, we'll we'll see you guys next week. And uh boys, take care, fellas. Yeah.