SPEAKER_01: 0:00

This is the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast. Built on early alarms, muddy boots, and stories that only the woods can write. New Jersey is one of the most underappreciated states in the outdoors. And little do they know what it really holds. From hard-earned public land deer to waterfowl, predators, and everything in between. This state produces more than people give it credit for. Now let's dial in with the men and women around the state of New Jersey who live this life every day. In New Jersey, excuses don't survive. Only the grinders do. Today on the Garden State Outdoors and Podcast, we're fired up to sit down with the one of the biggest names in wild game cooking. Sean Johnson, better known as Get Sauce New Jersey. From he's been on the Food Network kitchens to venison cooking up Venison Ragu on the cutting board. Sean has built a massive following by taking wild game and turning it into the next level meals hunters can actually make at home, which is a extremely important thing. I mean, I I think a lot when you when you sit down and you look at a lot of these meals, it's like, oh, like I'm never gonna be able to do that and everything like that. And you've given that, like, all right, like let's let's go. Everything that you make is possible to be done at at home. And I and I absolutely love that. Um, you know, he he takes the flavor and the technique and the camp cooking um mistakes that hunters make with their meat, with their meat, the game meat, and they make he makes it into delicious uh courses and and everything like that. So we are just absolutely fired up. And you know, Sean, we're we're happy to have you. And I I have to say this, right? It it's funny how things work because my it you popped up on my fiance's page first. She's dig into cooking, she loves to cook and everything like that, and you know, obviously, we share all our recipes and everything like that, and like, oh, let's make this, let's make this. So you started popping up a lot. She was sending videos over, and then you were popping up on my Instagram, and then I was sending videos over, and then I gave you a phone, and I was like, I was like, wow, like this food looks amazing. And then I looked at your your actual name and it said New Jersey in it, and I was like, Is he is he actually from New Jersey? Like, what what what what is that about? So I was like, I was doing some research, I'm like, uh I don't know, maybe maybe that I don't know what that could be. And it turns out I looked, I did a full dive into the page and everything like that. You you are from Jersey and everything like that, but welcome, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00: 2:47

Thank you. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, um, Jersey born and raised. I live two blocks away from the house I grew up with in in Tuckerton. Well, in Ocean County, I'll say that. So um, but yeah, man, thanks for having me. Um, hell of an intro, thank you. Thank you, thank you. It's uh it's crazy to me. This is all crazy to me. All of it is so thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01: 3:12

No, no, no problem at all. And so, you know, what we like to do on our shows, um, we'll give you a quick second to to introduce yourself and everything like that. And for those who don't know you, give just run a quick intro.

SPEAKER_00: 3:25

All right, cool. Yeah, so uh my name's Sean Johnson. My page on socials is get sauce then j. Um, I am a wild game-centric uh online cooking content creator uh from New Jersey. And my whole thing, um, I mean, we can get into why I started the page and everything like that, but like my whole thing with it is like none of my meals are crazy hard to make. None of the meals, you know, take an absorbent uh uh like a crazy amount of time. And like I like we were joking, like I had messaged you those photos of that thing that I had just cooked. Like that video is getting put that video is getting posted tonight. So like I I just finished filming, I ripped it off the camera, it's on my computer. As soon as we're done this, I'm gonna edit that and post it. So, like, I tell people like, oh, I don't have time for that. I'm like, if I can make film, edit, and post this in two hours, you can't tell me you don't have time to make it. I'm sorry. Like, that's just a lazy man's thing. So uh yeah. So again, um I I started actually the very first video I made on my page of short form content was uh venison, um, cottage pie, shepherd's pie. And um and I remember doing that and being like, no one's gonna like this. There's so many people out there who are better than me at doing this. So just like start making cooking videos, and that's that's what I did. And um, but now you know, about about a year, a little over a year ago, I got back into like full-blown wild game recipes with like some other stuff sprinkled in, and and that kind of seems to be where my niche is. So that's that's how I got here.

SPEAKER_01: 5:08

I I absolutely love it, and um you know it it's a food is one of those things, and it it's it's a great for the hunting community because hunting alone is a very difficult thing to get into with you know other people on the outside of of hunting, and the food ties everything in. And I I'll tell you, I work I work inner city with with children for child psych, and uh they are so invested and so interested in uh game meat, and they would love to try it, but they're always like, Oh, that can't be good, like and people are like, Well, what do you what is even deer meat? Like, how do you make it? I'm like, listen, it's just like anything, everything you cook in, you know, with beef and pork and all these other things, you can do with venison. Just because it says venison, it's not like it's some thing that you can only do a few things. Like, I don't know what what my coworkers or or my patients think, but listen, I tell them every single your favorite dish, we can do it with venison. I guarantee you we can cook it up where you won't even know.

SPEAKER_00: 6:26

Totally, yeah, and and it's funny too. So, like, uh, you know, the internet is I always joke, the internet's a godless wasteland, right? So everybody everybody has an opinion, it's usually terrible, and people just comment out into the void. So I get the worst of the worst commenting all my stuff. But one of the funniest things to me, I think, is like people who comment, like, just you know, just do salt and pepper with a little garlic and the cast iron, you know, you're gonna ruin the taste of venice. But it's like, come on, you you literally don't say that about any other nobody, nobody looks at a buffalo wing and goes, You're ruining the taste of chicken. No one, you know what I mean? Like, so like it's such a silly thing that people say. And like, I personally, like, when I introduce somebody to game meat, whether it be, you know, a friend, family member, whatever, um I want to cook it in a way that like I'll tell them, hey, this is venison, you know, this is I'm not gonna like surprise anybody, but I'll be like, hey, this is venison, tell me what you think. And I usually cook it in a way that maybe they won't know it's venison. You know, maybe I'll I'll cut it with some bacon, I'll cut it with some pork fat, some beef fat, some something like that. So that way they go, oh, this isn't scary. Because I think what happens is people are so used to like the whole factory farmed beef, pork, chicken, everything like that, where like that meat is actually very bland. And they eat meat and uh like a meat like venison, especially, like that has a flavor to it. You know, people talk about like gaminess, and I I I stand firm in this that gaminess and venison are two totally different flavors. Like venison has its own flavor. To me, gaminess is is maybe mistakes that somebody made in the dressing out in the field or things like that. That's where the gaminess comes from. But like when I cook it for the first time, I don't want people to be afraid of it, and especially because there's all this basically propaganda of like, oh, it's overpowering and it's this, it's not, it's not at all. And and uh yeah, so uh I anything you can do with any recipe, you can do with venison. And that's how how I come up with most of my recipes. I'm just like, all right, I know how to cook this with beef, I know how to cook it with pork, let me throw venison in and see how it comes out. So uh yeah, I totally agree. And and and there is definitely a resurgence of people who want to try game right now and want to get I'm seeing a resurgence of hunting, which is awesome. Um, but it's it's also like there's a lot of people who are giving out bad information on hunting, on cooking, on all that sort of stuff. So that's you know scary in itself, but I am happy to see the resurgence of I'm happy to hear that you're you know that you're the kids that you work with are are intrigued by it, and um yeah, you know that that's a cool thing. I I uh I work with kids at not as my full-time job, as a part-time job, I work with kids as well. So I definitely feel you on that.

unknown: 9:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 9:12

Now, before we get too much and before because I want to go back and and you know, when young childhood and everything like that, um living in New Jersey, but my buddy, he would love to he he's gonna be trying heart for the first time. Okay, I don't think he's he's had heart. Me, I told him, listen, I love heart. It's the first thing that I do or eat out of a deer that I harvest. It's knowing if it's early in the day or early if at night, that is get it home, prepare it, and throw it on, um and cook it up real quick. I think it's phenomenal. It's it's one of my favorite pieces. And I kind of I kind of tell people, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I kind of compare it to like a I guess like a mushroom steak when it comes to texture.

SPEAKER_00: 10:01

That's actually that's the first time I've heard that, and I a hundred percent agree with you. It is like a mushroom steak when it comes to texture. Um yeah, no, heart is one of my favorites. Um, and I've done a couple actually a couple of the first venison recipes I did that went viral were heart recipes. Yeah, and and um yeah, so uh it's to me it's it's top three cut. The the venison heart is a top three cut.

SPEAKER_01: 10:31

Yes, I I I agree with you on that. So with with that being said, and me personally, and I don't know if it's just me, I don't think you get the same thing like if you're you're cutting a liver, right? But for you know, for for him, he he would like to know what would your recommendation for a dish where you can get either himself or his kids or something like that, uh, where they'll eat it and they you won't get really that um any of that metallic flavor. I don't notice it with with heart. Um for me personally, I think it's like I said, tastes like a mush like a mushroom steak. That's that's what I get from it. But I don't know if other people have different, you know, have tasted different things out there and everything like that. But what would you recommend for for a dish for for heart?

SPEAKER_00: 11:17

Um yeah, so I think especially for kids, uh poppers like jalapeno poppers, that's that's one of my favorites. Actually, I made a tray, I had two hearts last year um in December from Shotgun Week, and I was going to a party with a bunch of dudes that I trained jujitsu with, and all the wives and girlfriends were there and everything. And um, so I made venison uh venison heart poppers, jalapeno poppers, uh wrapped in bacon, and that was like I don't think the second tray hit the table once people tried the first tray, especially like because like you know how it goes. Like, so all the guys are out in the garage and everybody's having a beer and whatnot, and all the you know, all the women, all the wives and girlfriends are all inside there talking. And I walk in with this tray of venison hard pot. I said, Does anyone want to try this? I said, It's venison. I kind of don't want to tell you what cut it is. I kind of want you guys to just try it first and see what you say. So my my buddy's wife tried and she's like, That was really good. And somebody else tried and said, That was really good. I said, Do you want me to tell you what it is? And they said, Yeah, why not? And I said, It's it's venison heart. And they were kind of like freaked out at first, and then uh uh one of my buddies' wives tried the third one, and then after that, it was just like I don't even think I tried one. Like I like I tried one at the house, but like I don't even think I got to eat one. So uh jalapeno, venison jalapeno poppers are definitely a crowd pleaser, and especially with kids, you know, with kids, especially you know, at at that like 10, 11-year-old age where they're kind of picky eaters and they and they, you know, they they're like, ah, it's the heart. That's gross. Well, give them something that they're familiar with. Um, another recipe I love to do is just like tacos, fajitas, you know, that that's that's a crab pleaser too. It's easy, you know, it's it's so those are the two that I would highly recommend for heart. Uh, one of my favorites though for heart is just smoked. Like just just yeah, just like a like so you know, cut the top off with like the hard fat and and the and the valves and everything. And I don't even like because you know, like I like to cut like down the line, open it up, cut all like the false tendons out and everything like that. Yeah, yeah, but I do that too. If I smoke it, I won't do that. I'll literally I'll cut the top off, I'll leave everything in, like I'll clean it out real good, and then I'll just smoke it like I would any other roast. And I've never had a problem with like, oh, the tendons or this, that, or the other thing. Like, it's to me, that's one of my favorite ways to do it.

SPEAKER_01: 13:41

I need to try that next time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, for for me, uh and I told them this, and every time I've had heart, it is salt, pepper, or so whatever my favorite seasoning is that I that I like to do or sauce or whatever, I just do that and I'll just fry it up real quick, boom, and medium rare, and and there you go. I think it's such a an amazing piece of part of the deer. And I've even had the best heart I've ever had was actually bear heart. Um two years ago, we we killed a bear, and yet again, I'll I was telling my buddies at camp and we're all talking about it, and it's like we don't know if the bear heart was our favorite because it was bear, or because my buddy just knows how to cook and he just cooks an absolute job. You know, I don't know if there's something that is a there's a difference when it when it comes to that. I know bear are you know fattier, they definitely um are putting on a lot of weight. I I've noticed a difference with the meat and everything like that when we get the bears that are eating a lot of donuts and everything like that. Obviously, you get that really sweet meat, so I don't know how much that would play on on the heart and everything like that of what they're eating, you know what I mean? I don't that would have to be a years and years of testing and and eating deer and bear heart back to back. What and that's almost impossible because bears eat everything, you know what I mean? Um they they just do, but um, yeah, I I I was really curious about that. And I I love how you said that it's a top three cut, um, because I definitely agree with you on that. Like, deer is a must. And if there's anyone out there listening that hasn't tried it, like you're definitely missing out if you're throwing away the the heart. I I can I can go with you a little bit on on the liver there, you know. I'll try to eat it here here and there. Um, you know, but is is there anything that you've done with the liver that has definitely helped?

SPEAKER_00: 15:45

Dude, I hate liver. I'll be the first one to say it. I'm not a liver guy. Um, if if if I eat it up, if I do something with it, I'm chopping it up, I'm putting in gravy, something like that, like almost like you would do, you know, with a standard gravy. I I I've never been a liver guy, beef liver, venison liver. I have I and I I try to use everything that I can, but yeah, that liver's not uh not one of my strong suits.

SPEAKER_01: 16:08

Yeah, it it's so tough to to eat, and I'll tell you, one of my buddies, one of the guys on team, Zach, he he came up great point. He is always eating um heart, liver, everything like that. He's a big um, I think he's on like the carnivore diet and everything. Okay, and we're sitting at camp and we're like, do we want to have this liver? Like, screw it. Like it it was early in the seasons or what we killed a deer. By the time we get back to camp and everything like that, it's like 9:30, 10 o'clock. We're not trying to do anything crazy. So, like, we got heart, we got liver, let's do it. And the first bite of liver is usually I can do it with the first bite, I can do it with a couple bites, but he's always like, Listen, it's like your body knows that it's got all the nutrition that it that it needs, because he's like, by like the end of it, he's like, I can't eat anymore. Yeah, he's like, I've I've been able to eat for you know three, say three-fourths of it. And he goes, 'But that last bit, he's like, I can't stomach it no longer.' It's like my body is telling me you're done. We've gotten all the nutrients, and it we could be completely wrong and everything like that, but I know it's packed in so much nutrients and everything like that, but it it has this. I don't, I don't know, like I can't get over the hump. I've tried so many different things with you know, with milk, with I think, um I think I don't I don't want to say vinegar, I can't remember what it is, but to try to pull all that blood out and it just nah it's it's it's hard.

SPEAKER_00: 17:39

It's so dense too. It's it's like getting getting that flavor out of that like density of it, that's that's the hardest thing, you know? And yeah, yeah, so not not a huge liver guy.

SPEAKER_01: 17:49

Yeah, no, I don't I don't blame you. I don't I don't know too many people, don't know too many people uh who are, but um so you know let let's take it back. You know, you you said you're born and raised in New Jersey and everything like that. Did you grow up in the in the hunting community? Have you always been an outdoorsman? Um what was what was that like growing up um you know with you know with the hunting family and everything like that for you?

SPEAKER_00: 18:16

Yeah, so I I got exposed to hunting at a very early age. So my family where I live has been here for like hundreds of years. Like it's actually kind of nuts. And um, and my family, you know, for I'm assuming everybody who who's gonna listen to this is is you know a New Jersey, and my family's they're a bunch of pineies, like they are truly like pineies, bayman, lived off the land, sustenance hunters, like things like that growing up. And um, so my my early experience with hunting was just seeing my dad come home with the ducks, seeing my dad come home with the deer, the pheasant, the rabbits, everything like that. Um, I went on my first hunt at eight years old. Uh, my brother's a year and a half older than me. So he went on a pheasant hunt with my dad and and my dad's best friend, and I and I got to go. I actually have a picture from that hunt, which is really cool because I get to be like, that's definitely the first, you know. And and that was a long time ago. So some of these younger listeners might not realize that having a picture is not like, oh, let me pull out my phone. You know, you know, like so, um, so yeah, I went on my first hunt at eight years old. Um, I harvested that's my cat if you can hear him. Uh I harvested my first deer uh two days after my 11th birthday, um on youth day. And uh that was a cool experience. I remember so much about that hunt. Um, but just like my grandfather started um a hunting club, um, like a deer driving club, small, small deer driving club. And um, but he built literally built it, you know, with his bare hands. So, like even as a kid, I got to you know go to the club and see the deer hanging and and things like that. So hunting has always been in my Life hunting and fishing have always been in my life, and um it's a shame. It's a shame that like how do I describe this? It's a shame to see it not be in so many people's lives now. It's a shame to see so many people um who live here and even grow up here um not have that heritage in their family. Um with that being said, like I have uh I have quite a few friends now um who have only gotten into hunting in their 30s, you know, just like started getting into it, which is cool to see. Um, but anyway, going back to my history, harvest was my first year uh after my 11th birthday, and I was definitely hooked after that. And I'll never forget it was my I want to say second or third year of youth day. I was like 13 maybe. And uh I remember sitting in the tree stand with my dad, the same tree that I'd harvested my first two deer out of. And I remember thinking to myself, like, I don't know if I want to kill an animal. Like I, you know, I kind of had that like thought. Like I kind of like at 13, you kind of like, I don't know, you start becoming more human, I guess. And then I see this, I see this six-pointer walking in. I'm like, I'm totally shooting that deer. Like I just I remember that like whole thought of like, I don't know if I want to do this, like just fleeing my body. And um, but then like you know, I think everybody goes through like um everybody goes through like stages of hunting where in the beginning you're like, I want to kill an animal, because in your head, that's how you understand it. Like, I'm gonna kill this animal, my dad's gonna shake my hand or give me a hug, we're gonna eat it, and we're gonna tell the story, right? And that's your like superficial knowledge of what hunting is. Yeah, and then then you get a little bit older. Like, I remember getting in maybe into my late teens, early 20s, where it was like you start like you're like you're looking for the biggest rack, you're looking for the most ducks, you're looking for the pheasant with the longest tail feather. You know, you're like you're trophy hunting, essentially. You you're not trophy hunting in the sense that you're not eating it, but you're looking for the trophy. And then I want to say, like in my late 20s and now in my 30s, um, you transition to that, like, I just want to be outside, I just want to be in the woods, I just want to, I you know, I want to watch the deer, I want to see the ducks fly things. So I I think uh I think that's a cool thing. And and I think if people don't get to experience it's that it's it's a shame.

SPEAKER_01: 22:31

I a hundred percent agree with you. Um, I I think it's that's just where we are in in a country, it's so frowned upon, you know, and it gets a lot of hate because a lot of people just don't understand it because it's no longer in their in their lives, you know, it's no longer archery is no longer taught at school. You know, there used to be a time where that that was the thing, and I would love to see that come back. Um, you know, everyone nowadays wants to be on their phones, on the computer, in front of a TV. Um, and don't get me wrong, that's okay within certain certain areas, but still I think the body thrives to be outside. We are meant to be outside. We are meant to be wandering, we are meant to be gathering, we are meant to to hunt, um, you know, and and to face the elements and everything like that. Um and it is tough to see. It is, it really is, you know, and like I I talked about earlier with the inner city kids, because they don't know it, they are so intrigued by it. Yeah, it is this foreign thing that they can't grasp their mind about, and you know, yet again, that's one of the questions. Do you feel bad for what you do? And I will be honest, there is that, like even to this day, 30 seconds where I just took an animal's life, and I yeah, I do feel bad. It there is a sad part that that I get, and I yeah, it's normal because you just killed something. I think everybody should have should feel that, right? But then when you see all the work that's gone into it, you know what it's going to do for you, your family, things like that. It is a feeling that it is so hard to even uh explain it to somebody who doesn't understand. It is like an adrenaline rush that you will you'll never imagine in in your biggest days, you know. The emotions that goes into hunting, and especially bow hunting, it is a mix of just you're you're all over the roof, like like you know, so like everyone who's listening who's a hunter, that's what I think a lot of people who are so against that they don't understand, and they also think trophy hunting is just trophy that you're wasting the meat, and that's generally not the case. I would say 90, I'd probably say 95% of the time, and even the Africa hunts where they're established as trophy hunts, that goes to all the villages and everything like that. A lot of my buddies now have gone to Africa and done a lot of Africa hunts, and I was against Africa going and to do an Africa hunt, and I've completely changed my mind on all the information I got from my friends who are like, No, like that is going to be donated to the villages, they all take it back. You will actually eat your your kill that night, and then whatever is left because it's always big animals, yeah, it gets donated to the villages, nothing gets wasted.

SPEAKER_00: 25:51

Yeah, no, I I totally get what you're saying, and like going well, I want to go back just to that little bit of like hunter's remorse. That's that's why it was called hunters remorse. And I think first of all, hunters hunters were our own worst enemies, right? Like hunters, hunters. We I can I swear on this show. I just I swear like a sailor, so okay, okay. Yes, you can. So hunters shit talk hunters more than non-hunters, right? So one of the one of the biggest problems is like is the stigma with hunting is is people think of the bad hunters, you know what I mean? They think of the guy driving through the middle of town with the eight-point buck strapped to the hood of his car, you know, like you know, and stopping at the gas station and and sitting there and talking with his buddies out loud and you know, swearing and dipping and everything like that. It's that like stereotypical kind of like hunter that people drinking a beer, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 26:45

Everything wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 26:47

Yeah, exactly. So like that's what that's what people think of, right? So, you know, and and then when so when people think about hunting, they look at that guy or or that that girl and and they think there's no way that guy just cared about what he did. There's no way, but again, going back to what you said, like, yeah, like I'd say like 90 to 95 percent of hunters still feel that. And and I always tell people too, I was like, if you don't feel that, don't hunt anymore. You know what I mean? You need to appreciate on an emotional level what you just did. You know, like, yes, it's sad that you took the animal's life, but like you said, the following emotions of like, think of the people I'm gonna feed, think of the the friends and family and and camaraderie of like skinning this deer and butchering this deer and and telling this story over and over and over again. It's very funny. Um, my wife's vegetarian, she's also a therapist, too. But uh my she's she's vegetarian, and I remember, you know, now we've we've been together for a while, but when she first moved in with me, I have uh when you first walk into my house, the biggest buck I ever got is hanging on my wall. And I remember her saying something about like trophy hunting. I don't remember the exact thing she said, but about trophy hunting. I said, What do you mean trophy hunting? Like I ate I ate that deer, like I ate all of that deer, and she's like, Well, why do you have him hanging on the wall? Like, what you know, like what is the point of that? You're showing him off. And I'm like, it's not near, it's not really showing him off, but like I can tell you every second of that hunt. Yeah, I literally can tell you that day I remember being in the shower before going out to hunt. I remember tracking that deer, I remember the emotion behind it. I I could tell you everything about that hunt, and I get to share that story. I'm honoring that animal by having him there on that wall. So anybody who walks in my house and they go, wow, that's a big buck. And I can go, it is. Let me tell you about him. Let me tell you about that hunt. So yeah, I think I think you know, the the the misconceptions about hunting are a problem. Um, and I think that the um again, hunters were our own worst enemy, right? Yeah, and and and and and like being in the social media sphere, uh, which I I truly, I true, I I say this with a hundred percent sincerity. I hate it. I hate it so much. I I knew you were gonna say that, and I agree.

SPEAKER_01: 29:03

I I agree. It's a yet again, with work, um, yet again with what I do. And I I tell the kids social media is such a problem, yeah, especially for the younger generation. And I'll tell them all these things, but then I'll be like, it's tough for me because I've made so many connections off of social media doing what this like if this wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for social media, yeah. You know what I mean? I I I wouldn't be where I am today with without in the in the hunting world without social media, and yet again, I'm not trying to say that I'm this big like oh my god person, but I've made I can connect with people all over the country or the world, and we get to come together about hunting and and fishing and and doing all these different out outdoors, outdoors and stuff, right? So I I 100% get what you're saying because you know we are thankful for what we have, but it is very toxic, it is very I would say mentally draining too, and then you see all the negative stuff. Um we're just talking about hunting, just aside of you know, my my thing that I hate is when somebody kills a small buck, okay. They get bashed for it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 30:20

Yeah, it's it's you know, I I I my my father and I and my my father and uncle and I we all hunt together. We all hunt within like maybe you know, a third of a mile, two-thirds of a mile from each other. We all go out in the same Jeep and everything, and and um, you know, that's it's the whole the whole, you know, we're checking the cameras, we got the cell cams and everything like that. Yeah, I and I swear to god, I'm gonna pull every camera I have out because I'm so tired of looking at my cell phone and being like, ah, there's nothing really I want. And it's like, you're only saying that because you're looking. Because back when I started hunting, there were no cameras. And the first thing you saw with bone sticking out, no, it's not bone, but I always say, you know, when it fits. Yeah, yeah. First thing you saw with bone, you're like, holy shit, I'm I'm taking this, and you were happy. If it was a four-inch spike, you were happy, you know? And and yeah, this this whole thing on social media of like, oh, what do you guys think, guys? Would you would you let this pass? Should I let it grow another year, this, that, and the other thing? It's like, why do you need validation on the animal that you would be happy to harvest without validation? You know, you know what I mean? Like, if if if social media wasn't a thing and there wasn't a uh Facebook page of like ranking your deer or whatever, you would be happy to harvest that animal. So why are you letting other hunters who are just as much of an asshole as the next guy telling you, like, oh, don't don't harvest that deer. And and the other thing too is like, you know, I uh we both hunt New Jersey, and I hunt I 99% of my life I've hunted public land. And you might say, Yeah, you know what, it's the middle of the season, I'm gonna let that little basket buck walk. It's public land. Somebody else could be happy to take that, you know what I mean? Like, I've learned that lesson the hard way. Exactly. I I did too. I've I've done it more than once, you know, when I was younger. It's like, ah, you know, and I remember there was a uh I think I think Steve Rennell said it all in an episode of Meat Eater, where it was like, you know, don't pass a buck on the first day of season that you'd be happy to take on the last day of season. Yeah, you know, like that's and so yeah, I I I think that's a that's a very good point of like, you know, like oh, you know, social media and and hunting. And and the other thing too is like people don't understand, like there's there's what I forget how many subspecies of whitetail, right, across the country. And like, especially where I hunt, like I'm in the pine barrens, like deer are smaller. I have a I have a 135-inch 10-point buck hanging on my wall, the next room over that barely dressed out at 100 pounds. Yeah, you know what I mean? And then you can go to you say you go to up to Warren, you go hunt, you know, up in the in the water gap. You could kill a 200-pound buck, you know what I mean? But like and like so, like, I'll post, you know, like I'll post a video of like a venison shank, and people will be like, was that off a fawn? And it's like, no, it's not off a fawn. This is nice, this is a nice buck, I should be. So, like it's it's crazy to un to like I the more I do it, the more I see of like how uninformed hunters are of their own sport. It's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 33:35

Uh 100% and like like this. So this deer right here, 178 field, uh 178 pounds field dress September killed him September 19th. I think he would have hit probably 200 pounds by end of October, right? And that is the difference for anyone who's not listening who's not from Jersey. It it and that's why I love hunting Jersey so much because you can travel the whole state, and different areas are just completely different. Oh, yeah. Going down the pine barrens is a whole like you think you're a good bow hunter or a good hunter until you go to and there's a completely new challenge awaiting for you down there, and it's the same thing, like you know, for you, you know, you've been hunting down there, you come up to to Warren or Wanda or any of these big, you know, mountains in the Del or Water Jap, and you take a step out, and it's like, holy cow, like oh yeah, you got roll, you got mountains and everything like that. Like, this is big woods, and every it's just different, and the food sources are absolutely and out of the world up here where where we're in Jersey, you know what I mean? It's our deer up here. We do get big body deer, we do get big deer. Now, obviously, you don't always see that, um, but like we're our deer numbers are high, but it it can be hard hunting. You go down a little more south, maybe like that central Jersey, you know, you're getting a lot more ag and everything like that. So now you gotta get used to maybe shooting seeing 50-60 deer in a hunt, and maybe none of them are ever in both bone range. Now you gotta adjust and and and come up with a different plan. Maybe you gotta shoot further and everything like that, and practice at a at a further further yardage because now you're not getting those 10 10-yard shots, those 15-yard shots, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00: 35:32

Oh, yeah. It it's and and go ahead. No, I was gonna, I'm sorry. Um, I was gonna say, like down here, like where I hunt, you know, if you can shoot over 20 yards, it's almost a miracle because of how thick, how thick the pines are and and and things like that. Like, there's not a ton of oak flats down where I hunt. There's you know, there there is no mountain down where I hunt. There are no, there are no fields, you're not, you know, you're yeah, it's it's flat, it's low, it's it's you know, you're in a lot of swamp, and like it's actually funny. So, like where I hunt mainly, I hunt in a in a wildlife management area uh locally, and there's like a couple of oak flats, but it's mainly swamp. And you can literally tell where the deer are living based off like their coat and antler color, because of like you're like, all right, that's an oak deer and that's a swamp deer. Like you can tell, you know, in that in that very now, I'd say 80% of the deer down here are swamp deer, but yeah, it's it's it's funny too, like, you know, especially online, people people are like, oh, you know, you know, I'm taking a 300-yard shot with this, you know, whatever you know, rifle I'm using out of a friggin' tree fort that I built in this cornfield and everything like that. I was like, I was like, dude, like 300 yards, the there's 300 yards is like 80 houses. You know, you know what I mean? Like there's you know, we were we were just joking. Um a buddy of mine and I, uh a local uh duck hunting guide, we're doing a it's my like one of my first long form hunting videos, um, where we the uh last weekend we hunted ducks for like I don't know all day. It was it was a long day. I was up at 3 a.m. I don't think I got home until like 10 p.m. And we started with puddle ducks in the morning, like out in the pines, and then in the afternoon we hunted uh like diver ducks out on the bay. And we were joking because people are gonna see this footage, and you're literally like you're I'm hunting over decoys in a floating blind in the bay, and you can see houses. You can see houses almost every direction you look, and I know I know people are gonna see that online and be and like not know how to comprehend it, you know. It's it is such a different way of hunting in in most of New Jersey, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 37:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 37:49

I I I agree with you on that.

SPEAKER_01: 37:51

Like it's and you get that, you get a lot of Jersey has a lot of open like spots where you can get away, but then also we have a lot of urban spots, yeah. And then and being on the on the tri-state area from Jersey to um Long Island, Long Island has boomed over the last like I would say five five years of just becoming like this state where obviously not state because it's part of New York, but like it's just absolutely insane, and a lot of that is all behind houses and everything like that, where you're constantly seeing houses or people or or and different things like that, and it's it is it's unique to say, and I have spots like that, and then I have spots where yeah, I can I lose self-service and I can I can get out into to the middle of nowhere and and things like that, but it it's our state is really one of a kind. I I really do love it. I gets a lot of hate, and sometimes I hate it too because it's a pain in the butt for for many reasons. But yeah, I we get a a lot of opportunity to kill deer. Oh yeah, I will hands down say that we get a lot of opportunity, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 39:06

And and you know, again, it's like maybe you're not killing a 200-inch buck in Jersey, you know what I mean? But like there are nice big deer in Jersey, there are nice, you know, big rat, you know, antlers, racks in Jersey, and you get to hunt them. I I I try to explain I have friends uh overseas and and things like that. And I remember talking to my one buddy from Germany one time, I was like, New Jersey's so unique, especially where I live. I'm an hour from Philly, I'm an hour from New York City, I'm 10 minutes from the beach, and I'm an hour from the mountains, and I can go walk out into the woods right now. Like, how many states, how many places can you live where you can say that? You know, it's it it's it's so unique, and and um we have everything. We do, we have everything, and and and we have a great hunting scene, we have a great fishing scene. Um, I don't know if you know. Company Huntlift Eat, they're one of okay. Okay, so they're good friends. Uh, I did their podcast, I've done their podcast a couple times now, and um they were talking about they have a buddy here, like one of their affiliates who lives in Tom River, and and they like they're like, What do you mean you you you know get nice deer in New Jersey? And then, like, when I started talking to them too, I started showing them some pictures one time on the one podcast. They're like, There's no way. I said, dude, I can't even describe to you, like, like I again, like I've seen I in my lifetime living where I live, I've easily seen four or five 150-inch deer. And I've definitely I I'll send you a picture on Instagram after this of this deer, this deer that I was hunting for a few years. And I actually had him in my crosshairs twice. And I just one of the times I don't regret not taking the shot, yeah. The other the other time still keeps me up at night that I didn't take the shot, you know. That's that's hunting, right? It's why they call it hunting and not killing. So um, but yeah, no, hunting, uh, New Jersey's got a great hunting scene, and and um I almost hate saying that because like you know, property is shrinking, public land is shrinking, and and yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 41:16

But it's it that that hurts right there. It it definitely does. But um, you know, what one thing, you know, and we could talk all day about this, and one day we'll one day we we definitely will we'll definitely dive more into it. But when did you start um when do you start cooking? Like actually falling in love with with cooking and getting to where you are now. Was that something out of young childhood too, or something when you got got older?

SPEAKER_00: 41:43

Um, so it's kind of funny. I started cooking pretty young, um, because I used to get grounded all the time. I'd get in trouble. I had ADHD, like bad, severe diagnosed ADHD. And of course, back in the 90s, like you didn't know what that was, you know. Yeah, yeah. So so I remember I tell people a story. I lived about a half a mile away from the local elementary school, and I'd be I'd walk home from school, and because I'd be grounded, I couldn't go out with my friends or anything, and there would be a note under the phone that would say, like, you know, I say under the phone too, I have to remember that like not everybody who's gonna listen to this had a landline growing up, but we did have landlines back in the nine back in the 90s. Um, so there'd be a note under the phone that would be like, this is what's for dinner, this is how you make it. And I would have to follow my mom's recipe on like how to roast a chicken and how to mash potatoes and things like that. So that's how I started cooking. Um, my my grandmother on my dad's side um is a phenomenal cook. And like she's also, you know, she's she's a local woman, you know, so she has all the old school piney recipes and things like that. And and so I I I watched her in the kitchen a lot. And so I was always drawn to it. I'm a bigger guy, I'm 6'4, 300 pounds. So, like, obviously, I like to eat. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. People, it's funny, like, people always talk shit on my videos. They're like, Oh, look at this fat ass, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, Yeah, no, I'm the size of your refrigerator, like, I'll throw you through your own wall, you know. Like, but uh, so yeah, so I so that's you know, I that's how I started at a young age, and then um I you know just kind of kept up with it because I liked to eat and I like to cook and and like I joke, but like when I got a little older, it was like kind of an easy way to like try to get a girl to come home was like, Oh, I'll cook you dinner, you know, you know, shit like that. And then uh and then when I guess um, I mean I always I like again, so I always cooked the get sauced thing started during COVID. Um, and it in and not what it is today, but basically during COVID, I'm sure you know how it was being in North Jersey. Like we we this is when we started the garden stay outdoors, and we started during COVID. So I'm during it's during COVID, I'm drinking like a fish, and my my then girlfriend, now wife, um you know, she still lived in Pennsylvania at the time. We were like we were long distance for a little bit, and I was like, how am I gonna justify myself like drinking eight beers a night? You know what I mean? So I was like, Yeah, yeah, I was like, what if I like streamed to Facebook just me drunk in the kitchen cooking? And that's that's literally how it started. And like the it's funny, like the first few episodes of that get sauced. I'm drunk as a skunk. I'm in like a Hawaiian shirt that's open, like belly hanging out, like the whole nine, and like no lighting, no mics, no nut, like my phone set up just like this, and just like in the kitchen getting drunk and cooking. And then I was like, this is kind of cool. Like people started watching it and things, and and um, you know, the get the get sauced name was the double entendre of like sauce, like New Jersey, you know, tomatoes and things like that, and getting drunk, you know, get sauced. You know, so that that was the double entendre. And then so I did that for a bit, and um what what happened was um it was it was all live stream, and then I I actually like went legally blind in one eye. Um, I got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and it and it oh man the way I got diagnosed was it was attacking my optic nerve in my right eye. Um, so it I couldn't do it, like I I couldn't stare at the screen. I couldn't, you know, so I I stopped. I stopped for probably like two years. Like I didn't do anything, and like it'd be funny. I'd be like in the grocery store and things like that, and people would be like, Oh, when are you gonna, you know, I used to love watching it because I would stream like two, three times a week. And so I remember probably three and a half-ish years ago now, uh, maybe three, maybe two and a half, three years ago. We were talking to my my wife now, and being like, I want to get back into it, but I feel like short form content's kind of the way to go. Like, I see these people doing these short videos, and I really don't know what I'm doing, and I don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, but I'm gonna buy a camera, I'm gonna buy a cheap light and and kind of go from there. And and that's how it started. Like that's literally how how gets all started um from streaming to short form. And it's funny because my my I mentioned it earlier, my first video ever was a venison uh cottage pie or hunter's pie or share with pie, whatever you call it. And I remember doing that because I was so into meat eater, um, and being like, Well, I know wild game, like I grew up wild game, I grew up fishing, I grew up things like that. Like, this is what I'm gonna do. And I remember I put that video out and laying in my bed that night and being like, You're an idiot. Like, there's so many people, like, like you got guys like on Meat Eater who are so much better than you at this, so much better at hunting, so much better. Like, who are you to do this? And like, so I remember I think I did that and I did like a striper recipe, and then immediately it was like, all right, I'm just gonna get back into like regular cooking. And then um, you know, I did that for a while. I I I had to take another break because of my my illness. Um, you know, got I got back into it, you know. I and then last year was when it really took off because I did a a a like a cliff's notes version butchering a deer, and it went viral, like crazy viral. Um, you know, I think it got like five million views in like a week or something like that. It was yeah, it was crazy. And it was funny because like it was like I had just gotten married in October and I hadn't put out any videos. And I was like, I gotta put out a video. I just got this deer. Let me I'm gonna cut it up anyway. Let me just film cutting it up. And it's it's listen, it's I'll be the first to say it's not great, you know. I it's it's I I was kind of rusty, you know. I I hadn't I hadn't butchered a deer in a year, obviously, and I was kind of rusty, and like I hadn't done a video in a while, so I was rusty there, and and so, but I put it out and it got real big, and and um, and I was like, all right, so let me now that I have it cut up, let me start doing my venison recipes again. And and it just blew up and it turned into something really cool. And uh I've like talking about like you said earlier with social media and and opportunities and things, um it's given me so many opportunities. I'm getting invited on hunts, I'm getting invited on things like this, like you know, podcasts and things like that. Um, but one of the craziest things, and and I I had a full circle moment today. I actually got like teared up in my car driving home from from work. So I'm officially, uh, as of like two days ago, I'm officially a first flight affiliate. First flight, you know, and uh congratulations, thank you. And so they actually just they're sending me like a bunch of like logo wear and button-downs and things like that for me to wear on on my cooking videos. And I I kind of had this moment because it's still like it seems so silly, like you know, it's not like a real thing to me, even though I'm making money and I'm doing these cool things, like, but I had this real moment of like you got into this style of stuff because of Me Eater, because of First Light, because of Renella, because of all that stuff, and now I'm on that team, and they're sending me stuff to wear on my wild game cooking channel. And I'm like, I like got all choked up. I like texted my dad. I'm like, this is fucking crazy, man. Like this, you know, like so.

SPEAKER_01: 49:30

That's my and and I and I want to say this too. Like, everyone, I almost everyone looks at an at least for me, meat eater, and Steven Ranella is like that's what got me to do the podcast. Yeah, because that's I was that's what I was invested in. Like I love, you know, cooking, I love eating. Eventually, when we get our you know, our we we do want to eventually bring some cooking stuff to uh to boondock's hunting and everything, yeah. Because that's that's what we love so much, you know. Um, you know, we we we have a wild game dinner, like we we do all these different different things, but a lot of the inspiration comes from the man himself, yeah. You know what I mean? Um, we were supposed to go see him live um during COVID, and that's when everything shut down and and the cancel. We were we were really bummed. We're gonna go to PA to to go see him and everything like that. And that he is one of those one of those guys, and then you look at also if not him, then you got a lot of people now who the hunting public. A lot of people get a lot of their inspiration from the hunting public, or uh in the older, especially the older guys, ted Ted Nugent, and like all these different inspirations. But I'll tell you, Steven Rell is on my my Mount Rushmore. Yeah, he he's up there, and that is absolutely and it's phenomenal, and it's a testament. I like I told you, like, your stuff is we love watching, you know, your videos and everything like that. I mean, it's simple. You like you said, you can you have the time to do it, like you you did it, you did it before the show, you're gonna edit, and it's gonna be it's gonna be posted and everything like that. And it's like these aren't something that you're gonna spend hours and hours in doing. And I think now in our with the way our world's going, people want need stuff that's gonna be quick and and easy to do, you know what I mean? And this is like the perfect example, and it's it's good, it's flavorful, and everything like that, and it catches a lot of people's, you know, attention and it just you know, all that hard work, and you know, yeah, we're that's absolutely amazing to to hear.

SPEAKER_00: 51:48

Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, I know it was uh it was crazy. So I actually started talking to them last year, and I got dude, talk about kick yourself in the ass. I got invited late season to go on a hunt with some of the people from First Light out in out in Idaho to go duck hunting, and it just I couldn't make it work. Like I just couldn't, like with work and with everything, and like just kind of like lost touch, like didn't I wasn't really talking to them anymore. And I and I remember being like, dude, that was your chance, and you blew it, like and and then very recently, you know, started talking to them again, like the past couple months, and was like, Hey, I I'm so sorry about last year and everything that happened. They're like, dude, it's fine, like life happens, we get it, you know, don't worry, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know, about you know, about a couple weeks ago, they were like, Would you be interested in this? And I'm like, Of course I'd be like, What do I need to do? They're like, Nothing, we're just gonna send you stuff, and uh, and like you're gonna get a link, and then people can buy stuff off your link and you know, go from and I'm like, that's so cool to me. And and especially like in a I get offered like um products and things all the time to try and push and everything. It's it sounds really pretentious when I say it like that, but it's true. Like, I probably have 20 messages right now of of people trying to get me to sell shit, and uh that's a product I've literally been using for like almost a decade. Like, I've been using first light to hunt. And so, like, when I push that, it's gonna be like, no, no, I you this is all I use, you know. Like, and like listen, I got I have I have no hate for like any of the other brands at all. It was just that was the brand that I fell into. And it's funny, it's like everybody like every hunter chooses like their Harry Potter house of like, you know, oh what you know, which one am I gonna use? And um, so my one of my one of my very good friends and and one of my my hunting buddies for for duck hunting is uh like sick a guy through and through. He's on their pro staff and everything like that. And uh so we constantly constantly dig at each other about yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we we constantly dig at each other about it, but uh now I now I um yeah, it it's cool. And and like you said, Ranella, I just made a post about this today. Ranella has done more for hunting than I think anybody has done for hunting, probably since like you know, there. You know what I mean? Like he he has just he has just changed people's perception of public land, of uh of hunting, of of cooking wild game, and and doing it in a way like I'm sure you know, like growing up watching hunting videos was like some NASCAR driver on some farm in Missouri, you know, getting you know, getting some buck that you know now that you're older and you know he looked in a catalog and said, Yeah, I want that one. Oh well, that one's gonna cost you 10 grand. And and that was hunting videos, you know. And then and then now you got this guy who's posting a video where he might not even harvest an animal, you know, like that's to me that changed my whole perception of hunting.

SPEAKER_01: 54:53

Yeah, uh, I I a hundred percent there there is no one bigger besides I would say Fred Bear. You know what I mean? I I think when you you talk about Fred Bear, then you talk about Stephen, Stephen Ronella, and he I I mean, just listening to his podcast alone. I mean, oh yeah, the knowledge that he and it's the most random stuff that all connects back to somewhere with hunting and the outdoors, fishing, no no matter what it is, all has a connection, and it's like I'll be saying I'm like, oh my god, like how the hell does he have enough to remember all this stuff that that he he knows? But you know, when when you're talking about you know first light too testament, I've heard nothing but great things, you know what I mean about first light. And I've been interested in in first light. I went with Sica. Now I'm I'm moving to um Ossio and and and everything like that, um as well. But first light, I got I would have a bunch of buddies and are like, listen, this stuff is is phenomenal. And when you talk about clothing and everyone has their thing, I I I easily can say this like your your first two best options that I would always recommend to to someone would be sick of or first light, and that's where now for first light like is like when it's in the realm of hunting, and then now my opinion osteo is coming right right up on that, and then listen at the end of the day, you you can't knock good old-fashioned real tree, you know. I mean, my only my only problem with real tree, and every I feel like in the late season, I feel like a big fat turd where I can't move a single puzzle, and I'm still bow hunting at that time, so like yeah, I'm so completely layered up, and you know, their stuff probably has gotten better and everything like that, and you probably don't have to layer up as much, but that's how I feel like the Michelin man every time like when I was years ago, it I felt like the Michelin man, like I just could not move an inch, like it's it's just one of those things, but like yeah, for for first light is is just knocked it out the park. Steven Ranel is he's he's him, and you know what? Another thing, he connects so well. When I'll have doctors come up to me, oh and the first thing they'll say is oh, you know, that that guy, like he's really done uh he he has a Netflix TV show, yeah. And I'm like um meat eater, why Steven Ranel? I'm like, Yeah, I love that guy, like, watch all this stuff, listen to all this stuff, but he's what connects and helps connect the bridge of non-hunters and and hunters and bringing everyone, trying to bring everyone together and educate everyone the the best they can. And then you now he has now obviously uh Ryan Callahan, you know, Giannis, and he has a really good team behind him who is just as um good. I mean, Ryan Callahan is also another guy who's just he's another like one of those guys, too, as well. That's out there of like he knows his stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 58:00

So this is it's so funny because I know you're gonna appreciate this, but like when I told my buddies that like don't hunt, they didn't give a shit. So Ryan Ryan Callahan about a month ago followed my page, and I was like, I was like, get the hell out of here, right? Like I was blown away, and so I shot him a message, I DM'd him and and was just like, hey man, I'm such a huge fan, you know. Thanks for following, thanks for watching, blah blah blah blah. And like in my head, I'm like, all right, that's just going into the void, you know. But I said what I had to say, and he messaged me back about three days later and was like, Hey man, just like really love what you're doing, keep it up. And I remember like being giddy like a fucking schoolgirl of like Ryan Callahan follows me. Ryan Callahan watches my you know my videos, and like and uh yeah, yeah. So and I I had I had that happen um one other time, one other time where I like had like a full freak out, um, was in the very beginning of Get Sauced, like when it first got big, when I and it wasn't a a wild game thing, but like I am a huge Maddie Matheson fan. And uh Maddie Matheson reposted one of my videos, and I like I like couldn't believe it. And it was funny, I met him last year and I I said to him some stuff. I was like, You reposted one of my videos, and he's like, I did like he didn't even remember, and I didn't even care. I was like, Yes, you did, and you can't take it back, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 59:30

You know who reached who I reached out to to get on the show, and I'm I'm hoping eventually it does happen is uh Mark Kenyon. Oh yeah, and he got back within two hours. And I was the fact, and I I tell everybody like even if he never does come on, he said he would, right? I know he's a very busy man, so I don't like but even if he he doesn't ever get to come on, the fact that he even responded, because you I will hit up. Certain big time people and never, and yet again, I know there are a lot of people get a lot of messages, and now it's uh it happens to me too. And I only got like I think we only have like 4,000 followers and everything like that, and I get lost with with all the messages and everything like that. So I can only imagine what it's like for and I imagine you know, like you said, you have 20, you know, you probably have 20 people trying to get you to to use this stuff, but you get eventually all these messages, and and on top of doing doing videos and everyday life and and and everything like that, it some of them just do get lost in the crack.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:40

Oh, yeah, and and like I feel bad too because like um I've definitely missed messages not only from like things that would have benefited me, but where like I maybe could have helped somebody else out, and like it just it becomes a lot, especially like one of the things I try to do, which is terrible, and I don't recommend this to anybody, is like I I read the comments, everybody says don't read the comments, I read the comments, and I respond to most people, most of it for like a shtick, right? Like most of it, especially like pre pre-wild game get sauced. You know, there was this whole character that I created. I don't know if you watched any of the old videos or not, but like there was this whole create character that I created, and it was crass, and I would swear, and I would do this, and I would do that. And the reason the reason I did that was because you know, Shawnee sauce was like it wasn't me. So if they were if anybody said anything negative, they weren't talking about me, they were talking about the character, right? Yeah, and so so I try to respond to a lot of people, and I still try to do that. I still try to respond to a lot of people, I still try to uh message a lot of people, but yeah, it just it becomes a lot, and like people take it too far sometimes. Like I had one guy, he like oh yeah, people. This one guy, he like kept trying to call me on Facebook or on on Instagram or something, and I finally like I was like, dude, like I'm not trying to be a dick, but like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, why are you calling me? He's like, Oh, well, you responded to my message. I'm like, Yeah, he's like, Well, I thought maybe you'd want to talk. I'm like, that's not how this works, like that's not how the you know what I mean. Like, so but no, yeah, sometimes you get a message through and you get yeah, yeah, it's dude, it's I don't know. People say weird shit, people do weird shit. Like, I don't like showing my wife's face on my channel, yeah. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's you know, weird stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:28

And I but I've heard of crazy things. I can't remember uh what's his face? Um Jeremy Shocky's daughter. Oh yeah, right now uh right now I can't remember her her name, but I remember this was years ago of like she killed, I think, a huge bear or something, and I don't know what is with the bears, like the bears get people fired or like going, really going. You kill a bear. It's like I don't even know, like people really hate you for that. And someone was like, I hope I'm gonna kill your fucking dog, I'm gonna kill your fucking kids. And I'm like, how does one correlate like you're bashing somebody because they killed an animal, but your response is one to kill her dog, which you would be doing the same exact thing, and then you take it even further than that and threaten her her children's life. Uh there's there's those two things are not even remotely close to being like I could I would respect you more if you said, you know what, I really just don't disagree with what you're doing. Like, I I don't want to see like these animals killed. I'd be like, okay, you know, I I understand you that thank you for for you know, but this is for someone to be like, yeah, you know, I'm gonna or or I'm gonna fucking kill you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna rape you and do all these things. That's like people, what what are we doing? You're you're not uh this isn't okay for you to say, like that we we do what we believe in, but we harvested this harvested killed this animal, we are going to eat this animal, you know what I mean? And at the end of the day, animals do need to be managed at the same, especially if we keep taking all their land, dude. We really need to manage animals. I don't think people know how it works.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:26

No, no, they they don't um they don't understand the North American conservation model, they don't understand any of that stuff. Um, they don't understand that like the reason we have the amount of whitetails we have now is because of hunting and hunting regulations and and all that sort of stuff. Um and and people like they just have these misconceptions, and then the other thing, too, like just to circle back to the beginning of like social media is like, dude, I get terrible hate comments, terrible. Uh my buddy, my one buddy and I are gonna do a video very soon, actually. Um, he's a streamer on YouTube, uh a video game streamer, and we've been best friends for years. So we're gonna do a stream called uh sauce to me, sauced reads mean tweets, and it's just me. Like, I've been like saving all these nasty comments over the years, and I can't wait to watch that. Uh it's gonna be fun, but like, dude, yeah, like I straight up get people like like I've been like people have threatened me, like threatened to kill me, um, for like dumb shit, like really dumb. Like, and then like you get the ones too where like it's like I just post uh let's say I just uh venison berrier taco, you know, whatever. I post that video. I'll literally get a comment that like doesn't even comment on the food, doesn't anything like that. So he's like, I hope you die of cancer. And I'm like, what the fuck are we doing here as a society? You know what I mean? Like, what are we talking about here? Like, and uh yeah, so the I go back to the first thing I said the internet's a godless wasteland, and then you have you have hunters who shit on hunters, you have non-hunters who shit on hunters, and and it's just but I will you know it's it is kind of weird. So I've had people like comment and I've commented something back, like you know, match their energy, what not not match their energy with that stuff, but you know what I mean? Like, and then I'll get a DM, like a message request, and it'll be that person, and they'll just be like, they'll just be like, Oh man, you know I was kidding, right? And I'm like, You literally just said you hope my doll gets run over, but somehow you were kidding. But like, I think, especially like younger generations, like they don't read, like they're looking at the screen, and there's no human on the other end of that screen, like the screen is the screen and it stops there. So once they get a human response from the other end of the screen, they're like, Oh, wait, there's another person there, there's somebody I'm talking to, I'm interacting with, you know, like it's uh you so you you know you talked about therapy before, and and not that that has anything to do with hunting, but it's something that I found very fascinating because my again, my wife is a therapist, and I'm in therapy because I'm a fucking nut job. But um, I was reading this article about um porn. I was reading this article about and and younger kids with porn, and what they're finding is they're not addicted to the idea of the sex or anything like that. They're literally I they're addicted to their phone because they did a study with with um like with uh 18 to 22-year-olds, or I think, or something like that, who were like had a porn addiction, were given the opportunity to have sex and they wouldn't do it because you know, like like there's there's other things that go into it, right? There's another person there, there's sounds, there's smells, there's feelings, there's you know, all this stuff, but they're addicted to the phone because the phone is, you know, and so I that not that has anything to do with hunting, but I no no no, but it's it it's it's hundred percent true.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:55

Uh I I and I'm hundred percent true, and yet it's it's something that we do, we deal with at work, you know. It is it is that's that is definitely a part of it. Um back back to the food because people are gonna be like, listen, I wanted to hear you guys talk about food, and you guys have barely talked about food at all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:16

Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:18

Um, you know, for for you, what has what is your favorite cut? So I know we we talked about earlier, you know, your top three and everything like where you said heart is in the top three. What what is your what are the other two and how did how would you rank them?

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:34

I would have to go um heart uh heart shank and um I always call it the football roast. That's how most people know, you know, the football roast out of the back, the back. Those are my top three, to be honest. Um, I would probably go shank heart roast. That would probably be how I would rank them. Shanks are a completely under underutilized cut of meat. Um the you know, people are like, Oh, it's they've got all the tendons, they got all the silver skin. It's like, yeah, but if you slow cook them, you do it right, you get that beautiful velvety collagen that cooks down, and you know, most people just throw it in the grind pile. And then and then, like, I posted that video shanks, and so many guys are like, I'm not gonna put it in the grind pile, I just leave it in the woods, and you know, all that really. Uh yeah, I yeah, it's crazy. But um is that what you made the goulash with? No, the goulash was what did I do the goulash with? I think that might have been a shoulder roast that I took off the bone.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:35

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:36

So sometimes it's funny. People ask me, they're like, What cut did you use? What cut did you use? And I can tell it was late when I was butchering the deer because I'll just write roast. Like, I won't like write like what it was, you know. Um no, I I actually but talking about my top three cuts. Um I I actually I'm designing a shirt right now, and it's not even that hard to design because it's literally just gonna be words that that just that just say backstraps overrated. Like that's literally all like that's all the shirt says backstrap is overrated. That's all it's gonna be across the chest. Because I feel like so many people are like, oh, the backstrap, the back. It's like, dude, there's there's the backstrap's okay, sure. Like it's a great cut of meat, but like people covet that like it's like the best cut. And I think when I was younger, I did too. And then, like, once you start like butchering and cooking deer, you're like, no, this is this isn't even top three, you know. So those are my top three, though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:30

Where would you know? Well, before we with the shank, what like so? Say you you somebody's listening to this right now, they're inexperienced, they haven't been eating, you know, you know, saving me that part. What is your recommendation for me? I know you said like slow cooking, everything like that. What is one of the recipes that you would you would recommend them to go check out and or try um for uh for the first time?

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:55

So I would um beside my own recipe, I would you know type in type in meat eater venison asabuko, and that's just a shank recipe that that uh Ranella you know kind of made famous. I think again, going back to Ranella, he was kind of the one who started really pushing the shank as like one of the best cuts. Um, but the the the meat eater, the asabuko recipe. Um, I did a uh very recently, I did a apple cider braised venison shank. I did that in like October. Um, so those are my two favorites.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:26

I think beyond I think my fiance sent that to me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:28

Yeah, so those are those are my two favorites, but that's that's what I would say. Go to my channel, get sauce, and J or uh check out Meat Eater's recipe on the Shanks because that's that's I send people and I have no shame in that either. I send a lot of people there for recipes too, all their stuff. So that would be the easiest way to cook them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:43

Yeah, yes, I I'm actually watching your that video right now. Either I sent that to Bianca or she sent that to me because I I'm a big fruit guy. I love I love a nice, you know, sweet. I have a sugar too, but I love um to pair my game meats with um apple or berry or or something like that. So anytime I see something that you know, you know, it said out I was like, oh, like she either sent it to me. I and it looked absolutely phenot like phenomenal. Yeah, but yeah, um now I mean and on the meat ear topic, and I don't know how venturous you really have you tried the the the cow fat, the call fat?

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:27

The call fat. So I did it one time years ago, and I screwed it up. It was so so I I don't have a good um I don't have a good measure of like yes, it was good, yes, I liked it, no, I didn't like it. It was like one of those things where like I I thought I set the oven to something. I you know what I mean. It was it was one of those like screw up things. So it's actually on I you I don't plan a lot of videos. A lot of my videos are kind of like spur of the moment, like what I'm feeling that day, and so that's actually one of the few that I have written down on the next year I harvest, I want to do a call fat video.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:06

So that that that will you you let me know when that happens, I I would like to that is something yet again that he kind of made, and I remember when I feel like it was around COVID when he was really talking about that constantly. Um, I think my buddy tried a tune. He said he screwed up something too. So what he doesn't want to judge it off of what what he did, and yet again, yes, if we could get it straight from from the man himself, if he was cooking it, we would probably all love it, you know what I mean. But um, that is something that I have always been interested in, and I do plan on one day because now I always see it. I'm like, oh, you know what, I'm not gonna, I gotta prepare myself to get it, to bring it, to prepare that would be a whole whole step, which obviously you know, and everything like that. But yeah, definitely when that happens, please, please let me know right away.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:56

Oh, yeah, I'll definitely now for for you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:59

You know, I know obviously you started with duck hunting and everything like that. Obviously, what what is your like have you tried bear yet? Like, have you what are some of the meats? I've tried bear. What is your take on it? We love it here. Like, we love bear. It's one of our top, it's probably our top three meats that that we get to eat.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:19

Uh, I definitely like it. Um, I I if if I were to rank my top three game meats, um I I might surprise people with this, but I I put pheasant as number one. Oh I love I love pheasant. I think pheasant is one of the most underrated game meats that you can have.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:38

That's a surprise. Okay, so I'm yeah, I'm very I'm very surprised with your name. I was not expecting pheasant be to be number one. And I think a lot of people listening to this are probably shocked right now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:48

I I don't know what it is ever since I was a young kid. I eating pheasant. Um, pheasant was like pheasant is like a delicacy to me. Um, and I don't I don't do a lot of upland hunting anymore. Um, just because of Jersey's wild.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:05

Yeah, because exactly. You got guys driving, you know, 10 guys deep driving pheasant. By the time, you know, I mean it's it's just not something I I do anymore. But um, so for me, it goes pheasant, white tail, ducks. Um, but I do love bear. Um, obviously, we don't really get them down where I am, so like it's usually if I have a buddy going up to go bear hunt, you know, and and get some meat left over. Um I don't know how I would describe it to people who a don't know wild game and B don't know bear. It's it is kind of like hard, I would say, to describe it. You know, it is a fatty meat. Um and uh it's funny too because like of you know, bears are they're omnivorous, obviously, but I would say especially like black bears in New Jersey, like the the the omnivorous, like the the carnivore part of the omnivore is like they're not eating deer, they're not eating a ton of fish, you know what I mean? It's it's no, so they are very good tasting animal. They are they're very they are very good. Um, but yeah, for me it goes it goes pheasant white-tailed duck.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:17

If you get brookwork with the bear, the problem is people will get junk bears. That's the problem. I always tell people it really like if you get a junk bear, it's not gonna taste good because I've had people in Jersey be like, Oh, it's disgusting. Well, where are you hunting? And they'll tell me where they're hunting, and it's like, well, there's a giant junkyard there, or you know, they're probably having a trash bear. If it, you know, if you you get a good and they don't, yeah, they don't eat that much deer, like yeah, if the opportunity comes, which I've even seen deer eat freaking meat before, like you know, I mean, animals are opportunist, you know what I mean. Um so chickens, chickens eat meat. I don't think people realize that chickens eat everything, yeah. But if you want a real healthy chicken, and we're not talking about the the ones that are just kept in the cages, you know what I mean? Yeah, you throw it a a dead carcass, they are gonna pick, and that is a part of what they do. Um, you know, so so you get that everyone. The fish thing, and you know, I've heard things with the and we're very lucky that our bears do not eat fish like that. Yeah, that's the one thing that would really turn a lot of people off. I just wish we got blueberry bears. We don't have any blueberry bears. No, I've heard no, like obviously from Steven Renel, like a blueberry bear is a bucketless black bear for me, is eventually to get a a blueberry bear. Uh, that would be absolutely um phenomenal. But I I I like your top three, I definitely do. I I think for me, man, I do love elk, like I really do, but I think for me it would be uh my top three is ducks in it, venison is in it, and then bears in it. Yeah, in that order, I I think just because I eat so much deer, I would go deer number one, yeah. But and then bear, then duck, but at any moment, it's like when I'm eating that said animal, it that's like my one. I'm like, oh my god, like this is this is the best thing ever. Like when I eat duck and stuff like that, I'm like, this is phenomenal. Like how this is the best thing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:26

So ducks, duck's a super interesting one, too, right? So, like, just like the like you said with the junk bears, like there's a huge difference between a puddle duck and a diver duck, yeah. And then so I've talked to a lot of hunters because obviously, like in the Midwest, like you know, mallory hunting and everything like that, like you know, the flooded cornfields and all that stuff. And I I I was talking to somebody one time about you know, bufflehead, and and and I'm like, there's a huge difference between a bufflehead, some guy's getting in the Midwest, and a bufflehead I'm jump shooting out on the salt marsh. You know what I mean? That that's a big difference between that. So, like people's perception, well, it's it's people's reality. It's not even perception, it's reality, right? So it's like, you know, if if you're eating a if you're eating a two or three hundred pound whitetail at the end of the rut in in a cold, you know, Iowa winter or something like that, that's gonna taste a lot different than if you're eating an early season two-year-old buck here on the east coast, you know. So like when people talk about you know, the the what venison tastes like or what bear tastes like, duck tastes like it's nobody takes into account, you know, the region, the the locality, and everything like that. So, but I I I I like what you said about the bears and what they eat because I relate it so much to ducks. Ducks, yeah, ducks, ducks are I love duck hunting, jump shooting ducks um is probably my favorite type of hunting of all. Um, and uh because it's active, you know, it's like a spot and stalk method of a animal.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:58

You're yeah it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:00

It's fun stalk hunting an animal that you're probably gonna miss, you know what I mean? You know, and and uh but yeah, so and again, I I I live on the coast, so like most of the duck hunting I do is the salt marsh and and things like that, so and it's a lot of divers, and like I've had to learn ways to make divers taste good, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:17

I uh so and and that's the thing, I I generally think you can really, for the most part, make almost anything taste good. You know, liver has been yet too we haven't established that one yet, but like I watch a cooking show. Oh my god, and I I watch them all the time. I was actually watching them on the way home from from work and everything like that. Um, he goes Max the Meat, he goes by Max the Meat guy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:43

Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:45

So I watch a lot of, especially when he does like wild game stuff, because I'm always interested. He's not a hunter, so I'm always interested to see what you know how he cooks it, what he thinks, and and everything like that. Um, you know, so it it's it's just one of those things that just watching him and and how he how he does it and how he went about it and trying all these different animals, and it's like wow, like okay, I I I I I get it. I get where he's coming from with the gaminess. He always like, oh, where there's this gaminess, there's a gaminess. And like I personally, it's like I'm like, uh, it's probably how the animal was killed, you know. And that's been my thing for the years that people are like, oh, well, animals are I'm like, no, I'm like when I bow hunt a deer, listen, I've shot deer and they're dead in 30 uh 30 seconds, 45 seconds, right? I'm getting down and I'm getting to work. I'm trying to get that thing done and to the butcher as as quickly as I can so it can start cooling off in the freezer. That right there it is gonna help. You know, if you shoot a deer in the guts and you don't go back to find it for 12, 14, 15 hours, I think that deer is gonna taste way different than the deer that that I shot, you know, the deer the day before. Age is a big thing, like you said. You know, I mean that big rutted up buck at the end of end of the rut that's in the 200 pounds versus you know, even even that this deer, he tastes, he tastes great. You know what I mean? It and it's so cool to see that, but you gotta make things you make things taste good. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:28

And and it's people like they like think that that's like I I have a shirt. Actually, I got dude, I gotta get it out soon on on my I gotta get my web store up like now so I can get these shirts out for Christmas. Um, but I have a shirt, it's really funny because people always tell me, Oh, you you you put too much seasoning on your venison, you put too much seasoning on your venison. So the front of it, like right here, is a snow globe with a couple deer in it, and they're getting snowed on, and it says, you know, get sauce, you know, blah blah blah. And on the back, the snow globe is open, and Santa is the snow is seasoning the deer, and it says tis the seasoning. I love that. So, like, yeah, you and like people like me will love that shirt. They're like, You can make anything taste good. It's like, yeah, you can. What's the problem with that? What's the problem with making things taste good?

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:16

You know, my and my my font fiance will agree with you a hundred percent on that, and that's her take. She didn't grow up in this, she didn't grow up eating wild game and everything like that for me. And I always tell people there, there's two different sides of me. Every time I try a new animal, I want to do it with the least amount of season. God forbid, if I'm ever in a a situation where you know I'm out surviving the woods, I need to know that I can eat everything. So I always tell people, like, listen, I could kill a deer, cut it up real quick, throw it on the fire, and eat it without seasoning, right? But that seasoning and doing all that cooking, the extra flavors. When you're sitting out at home and that that's what you want, yeah. When I'm when I'm at camp and we're we're on camp, okay. I get it. Sometimes we don't have the time to season stuff, a little salt, a little pepper, you know what I mean? And and there you go, we'll cook it real quick on the fire, you know what I mean. But when you get the chance, why not? She is a she has turned herself into a phenomenal cook, and I think hunting has been a big part of why she's gotten so good at cooking because she wants to be able to eat all this meat herself, too. Yeah, um, and especially the ground meat. Like she's a big ground meat fanatic, and we're you know, we've been working on you know the backstrap and you know, doing doing other cuts and everything like that, which she's okay with. Um, but it's bringing out that flavor and to be able to use all different of the flavor that's gotten her really excited and gotten her to become a very good chef in in her own way. Um, and I and it could work with anybody out there who's struggling with with eating venison, like and there are hunters that struggle with eating venison. Oh yeah, you know, I mean, listen, more more seasoning, more flavor is not it ain't gonna kill you. It's it it's not, it's gonna make it better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:14

It's the same with people who like they look at my videos when I do ground venison videos and they're like, What's all that? What's all that white stuff in there? That looks that looks like you're using beef. And I'm like, no, I I add fat. Like, I add, you know, I'll add pork fat or I'll add beef fat, or you know, and sometimes I'll a lot of people do, which is normal. Yeah, and I can't tell you how many people are like, I don't add any fat to my ground venison. I'm like, what are you eating? Sand? Like, there's no fat on a deer, like what and the fat that isn't on a deer, you don't want to eat. Like, what do you mean you don't add fat to your venison? Like, that's that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:47

Like for for me, I go to the butcher because that right now we don't have anywhere we're where we can do it ourselves. That's gonna be another thing that we'll be working on at some point, too, as well. And the question always is do you want it without anything? Do you want beef or do you want pork fat? Yeah, there you go. There, there's it binds, especially if you're making burgers or something, you need it to bind so you can actually make the patty. How can you make if you're doing a venison burger and you don't have any of that fat, how are you gonna get it to bind? How are you gonna get it to make an actual patty? Because then it's just gonna be falling apart and everything like that, and you're just gonna be pissed off. Oh man. Um yeah, we we we could we could talk all day. I uh I'm gonna go one more because I know you still got an episode that that you gotta get out. We definitely gotta get you get you on uh so for some more episodes. Definitely, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:47

I love it, dude. I feel like you and I just hitting it off. I love it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:51

Right, right. Um, listen, any anything that we do from the game dinner to any events you ever, and if we're ever I go down to I'll be down in South Jersey. I travel down there every once in a while. Now I got guys down down there that are part of the team that are down South Jersey and everything like that. Maybe one day we'll we'll get a hunt together and everything like that. But anything that we could do, you know, we we'd love to have you and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:13

But thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:15

Your I know you know you gave us your top three, you know what so far has been your number one? If you could set aside all the meals that you've made, what would be your number one or favorite one that you've been able to record and post and put out there?

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:36

Um venison well, I called them taquitos, but they were really flautests. But like the venison flout uh taquito video that I did. Okay, yeah, yeah. That was that I remember so one of my best friends, Mike, when we were teenagers, I made him venison cheesesteaks, you know, 20 something years ago. And um I to this day he still talks about the venison cheesesteaks. And I remember when I made those flautas, the kidos. Um I remember calling him and being like, dude, these are better than the cheesesteaks. Like I like I, you know, so like so like that is like a kind of like a generic thing. Um, but the I there's a video on my channel that I did, it's a backstrap that I did with like a red wine chocolate sauce that I that I did.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:26

Um yeah, I saw that one. Yes, yes, yeah. That was that was a nocious. I just want to let you know, you when I saw chocolate sauce, I was like, I need to have that too.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:35

Yeah, so that that one was delicious. That one is very easy to do. But the reason I bring that up is my dad, um, I made him that and I didn't tell him what it was. I said, just eat this. You're never gonna guess what it is, just tell me what you think. And he literally was like taking his fork and trying to like get every little last bit of sauce out of the bowl. And he's like, You gotta tell me what it was. And I told him what it was, and he was blown away. So I think those are those are probably my top two to to make is the the taquitos and the and the um and the the backstrap with the the red bond chocolate sauce.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:08

Yeah, no, I mean I I everything has been has been great. Chocolate sauce, uh love, love that right there. Um, I imagine I I we we will be making a bunch of these recipes, um, especially once hunting season dies down when we have some more some more time and and everything like that to to ourselves and everything like that. But like I said, um the way you do it, very, very simple, very easy for for people to follow along and everything like that, and quick and everything like that. Really, really looking forward to some of the other things that that you have going on and everything like that. I definitely when that shirt gets available, let me know because I gotta get that the seasoning for for my fiance. Um, she she would love that right there and everything like that. But man, it it's been an absolute pleasure having you on. The time flew, everyone out there. Listen, we'll we'll do better next time when we're talking, we'll talk more food stuff and and everything like that the next time. I know we didn't we say that now, we probably won't. Um you know, um, but I mean, oh, one thing. Oh my god, what the hell is it called? Uh it's one of my favorite things. I don't know if you you've made it yet. I I um a venison wellington. Have you tried that yet?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:27

I I did, I made it. It's on my I made it, it's on my channel. Very good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:30

I gotta I gotta go find that then.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:32

Yeah, it's uh last last year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:35

Okay, I gotta I gotta find that. Um, because I gotta show her so she can she can make that for me. Um I had a beef wellington for the first time two years ago at one of the steakhouse where they make phenomenal food, and it was one of the best things I have ever had, and I would love to have that in a venison a venison uh well venison dish. And I that right there, I don't know what it is. I think it's because of um the man himself, um Gordon Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, I obsess with with watching all his stuff. Um same with her. So that's where I've gotten it from. But now that I know that you've tried it, I am going to go, I'm gonna go look and and try to find that one um and and give it a look. But uh, Sean, any any last words?

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:31

Um yeah, first of all, thank you for having me. Had a blast. This was a good time. Um, you and I definitely have the same the mindset of uh on a lot of things, which which was cool. Um, sorry for the people listening to us ramble. Um, but they're they're so used to it. So all I say, all I say is um get your friends out hunting, get your family out hunting. Um, and um, you know, if if you have an idea, something you want to do, um, I forget who this quote actually is attributed to as a public speaker, but it's it's something that I I kind of have been living my life by lately with everything. Um, people overestimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do in a decade. So get out there if you have a plan, you have it something you want to do. Like I'm just a guy who started making videos and it started getting big, and and I get to share my heritage and and my love of the outdoors with people now because of it. So I hope all of you who are listening get to kind of follow your dreams too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:32

Yeah, no, perfectly said. Um, everyone, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We kick are kicking off 2026 with an absolute banger. Hope you guys enjoyed it. If you are not already following along, make sure you go give him a follow. The link is gonna be down in the description below his Instagram. Go check it out. Absolutely amazing stuff going on. And guys, we'll see you guys next time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:59

See ya.