SPEAKER_00 0:12

Everyone, I want you guys to give a warm welcome. You know, for someone I I think I found your page probably like a couple, I think you actually liked I think a post. And I looked into you guys your page and I saw what you guys are doing. And you know, I'm really happy to sit down and talk to you, especially as one of the first ever guests coming on our brand new show, the Chase the Unknown podcast, Logan Sandburn. Welcome, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Thank you. Uh, I really appreciate that, and I'm very honored uh to be one of the first guests. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Yeah, no, well, you know, I like I said, I was looking forward to this one. You know, I was lining what you were gonna be either one, two, or three. There was you know, with schedule and everything like that, and I'm actually kind of you know happy that this is working because this is a brand, this is our first time talking. You know, a couple of the other people there, you know, they've actually been on other shows. So I want to if we're gonna start a brand new show, we might as well start off right and start with off with somebody we've never actually talked to. But Logan, you know, give everyone a a quick rundown on you know, a little bit about yourself and and what you what you guys do.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Yeah, um, so I personally have a lot of irons in the fire. I uh I am a police officer um as a career, but uh I also do photo and video work, and then I am co-owner of Timberwolf Supply Company. And so we started that uh two years ago, or well, we launched it two years ago. Uh it's myself and a coworker of mine, another police officer. Uh his name's Tim Kincer. And um yeah, we we kind of just got an idea uh that we wanted to do something bigger and better than what we were doing, you know, doing police work. And so we decided to try and create something for ourselves. And so we spent probably almost a year trying to develop what we wanted to do and and make different business decisions on branding and and products and all that sort of stuff. And uh obviously we landed on a supplement and that's uh kind of brought us to here. It's it's been a process. Uh the the whole the whole development and business building and all of that, that's a whole different podcast. Um but yeah, it's it it's not been an easy road, uh, not to deter anybody, it's been worth it, but it's definitely uh had its challenges. And and obviously for me, uh time management with with doing kind of everything, it's it's been a lot. Um, you know, I did uh the run and gunning podcast as well. Uh I was the co-host on that for a little while. And so it's it's I've kind of dabbled in a little bit of everything uh on a personal level.

Brand Mission And Core Values

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Yeah, no, I mean uh just talking, you know, first creating a business, yeah, it's never easy, but like you said, it is it is rewarding. You know, there's there's a lot of ups and downs that I imagine, especially doing, you know, creating what you guys have created. I mean, I imagine, you know, what goes into that, you know, you you created a legit product, not for consumption and everything like that. So I can only imagine, you know, what that looked like, the testing, you know, how you actually got to where you guys are are now, you know. But then I imagine we'll we'll dabble into to some of it, and then also balancing, like, you know, family life and and everything else you're doing, hunting season, you know, you you were doing, you know, co-hosting a podcast and everything like that. But you know, explain, you know, a little bit for you know everyone out there who who doesn't know, you know, what what the company's you know messages, the idea and the and the mission for for you guys' company.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Yeah, so I guess a little bit even more uh background is I I've been into fitness and nutrition since I was probably 13 years old. Uh I started you know eating right and exercising, doing all that kind of fun stuff. Um, so I'm going on like 20 years of I guess you could call it being like in the fitness industry. Um and then I've got my nutrition certification and all that fun stuff. So I I have extensive knowledge when it comes to supplements and nutrition and all of those things. And then I've also kind of done my own research with myself uh as far as taking supplements and trying different things. And you know, I at one point in my life, like I worked at GNC, and so I've tried uh all kinds of uh different things um as far as like supplements and pre-workouts and proteins and all of that, right? And so through the course of that, um obviously had things I liked and I didn't like, and the we basically created the formula for the I guess uh to to explain it's uh the supplement's called Ranger. Uh that's the name of the actual supplement. And the the ingredients that we put into it were based off of everything that we used and liked. And so that's kind of again, like the the whole point of that is that that's what our brand stands for. It's stuff that we have used, experienced, and stuff that we like and um have found success in. And that's what we want to promote. That's what we want other people to uh experience as well. And so like some of the uh our like core values are um like fall both on like the the personal side and then also on like the hunting side. Um because like this this supplement can be used obviously for hunting, and that's why we created it, but like a lot of people just use it for everyday life or for work or other things like that. Um, it just so happens that like this is a a huge passion of mine, and so I feel like I want it's it's kind of my my target audience is people like myself, right? Um and so some of the uh the values that we hold are just like loyalty and integrity and conservation. Um and it's just the right thing is always the right thing, and that's something that we really stand by.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Yeah, no, I and I I love that, you know, that that's like a lot of people, especially with what we do, you know. You know, you look at the hunting side, the outdoor side from hunting, fishing, hiking, everything like that. Like one, I think mostly everyone that I've met in in this world that what we do, loyalty is a is a huge thing, and you know, and obviously conservation. Uh, you know, that's just like your typical known, like I don't know, too many outdoorsmen or you know, who are who are not, you know, conservation first and everything like that, you know. And it's it's great to see because like everyone you talk to, and I I love, I truly do love this community that is that's being built that we have here because you know, yeah, we people who looking outside in like, oh, we're just hunters, yada yada, yada, but like you know, it's it's way more than that, you know, the passion, you know, that we have, and it really comes down to like not everyone, but eating healthy is a big one, big part of why people like to hunt, you know, you know, wild game, you know, you can go out and hunt your food, you can go out um catch your food with fishing, and then it's also growing food too, as well. And you know, being kind of in one with nature and you know gives us this mental clarity and you know, a in a chaotic world that we kind of live in, especially if you're you live close to a city or you have a job that's very like go, go, go, go, go, you know, doing what we do, you know, it kind of brings us back to and centers us a little bit, but you know, creating what you know, what you guys have, especially, you know, I I've seen some of the ingredients, and you know, like we've we've talked in the past, like you know, lions mean and all these things, like they've just grown so much in popularity and so much just studying has gone in and how much healthier this is for for our bodies, and you know, instead of doing you know uh like the pre-workouts, the the energy drinks, uh, you know, uh that's just loaded with just sugar and all these just like bad things for us, you know. I've always believed, you know, uh mushrooms here, you know, the the Native Americans, this is this is what they use and everything like that. And they use all their resources that the land has uh gave us, you know, and this is kind of like rem reminding me of of this whole uh situation and and what we what we have here and you know looking for something that is truly uh healthy and beneficial in so many ways without you know all the the negative that you would get with you know some of the stuff um out there as well. Um very interesting and you know I I'm really like I said really excited and really excited to to use this too as well, um, you know, and and use it in my my everyday world too, because yes, I I like to work out and everything like that. You know, I my job can be you know chaotic, but I think you know it's all natural, as healthy as you can, lifestyle is is is the best one that that you're gonna get. And it's been very popular, I think, and grown in demand since since COVID has you know, when everyone really wants to be health conscious, and I think the outdoors has grown in a big way, and you know, we're we're doing all these things. So, you know, uh I I I love what you guys are are doing over there.

Night Shift Energy Drinks To Elk Hunt

Why Ranger Is Cognitive First

Jitters Sweats Crash Versus Focus

SPEAKER_01 10:16

I appreciate that. Yeah, and obviously I I agree. It's uh the I mean our our main mission um or our mission statement is to create a more capable outdoors community, and that's that's really the goal is to to help people get away from those bad, unhealthy habits. So to deep dive the background of the brand, um I've been a police officer for 11 years, and uh the majority of that's been spent on night shift, um, you know, swapping or flipping schedules and doing all that stuff, you know, to make life uh happen. It's it's tough. And so I've relied a lot on energy drinks, drank drank a ton of them in my lifetime, unfortunately. And so in 2020, uh I decided to actually Tim went with me and a couple other guys, but we decided to go elk hunting. So we went out to Colorado, and I, you know, the typical non-resident uh thing is to drive 30 hours out there, uh you know, drive through the night, get there, and then full head of steam, like we're here, let's go uh climb the mountain. And it's exactly what we did. We drove through the night, got there. Uh, you know, I chugged a bang and then uh and then climbed a mountain and it kicked my ass. Uh I got altitude sickness and it kind of it kind of ruined the trip. Um, you know, I wasn't one to eat or drink or really do anything. It was just like it really knocked me down. Um, and that was the inception of the idea of like, okay, I need something that's gonna be better uh than than you know, drinking an energy drink or all the all the ingredients that are in that obviously had an effect on me um when I went through that much exertion. And so it took us a couple years uh to to kind of come to an agreement on what would work and what wouldn't. Um, and a couple more trips out west. Um, you know, I've been to Colorado three years, uh, or sorry, four years, Montana one year. Um, and so we've kind of done some some RD and and tried some different things. And the what we developed was something that is essentially a cognitive performance supplement versus an energy supplement. And so it's got 100 milligrams of caffeine, which is plenty. Uh, most of everything else has, you know, way more than that. Double, double, if not triple. And the our main three ingredients are lion's main ashragana quarticeps, which, like you said, are mushrooms that have traditionally been used um in eastern medicine for you know thousands of years. Uh and then obviously more recently have been research-based to provide uh the brain with everything that it needs to actually perform, both in the short term and in the long term. And and that was a huge factor for us too, is that you know, when when it comes to memory retention and like long-term brain health, this stuff, these products or sorry, these ingredients really help with that as well. Um, and so just to I guess give you the rundown, like we've got alpha GPC, uh, CoQ10, 5 HTP, tyrosine, um, theobromine, and then um acetylcardine, that all of those are essentially ingredients that help with that brain performance. That's what they that's what they're made to do. That's what how the body utilizes them. And so more so than in like you've got kind of the two different categories. So energy drinks, pre-workout, all that stuff is more of like a physical boost. You know, you're you get all you get ramped up, it gets you energized and like you're like ready to run through a brick wall kind of a feeling, right? Yeah, um, our supplement is is more tailored to get you in the zone to really like get you focused in and feel like, all right, let's get some shit done. And so the the big biggest differences are gonna be like you're not gonna get jitters, uh, where like sometimes you'll you'll drink an energy drink or anything like that, and it you'll start to get like the the shakes, right? Um, you're just like too hopped. I'm all hopped up on Mountain Dew, right? Stuff like that. Um, and then like you get an increased heart rate. Uh, so you know, you're you're really getting like blood flow, you're you're gonna get out of breath easier. Like, obviously, in my case, like I got altitude sickness because I just my body was not wanting to cooperate with me. Yeah, um, you're also gonna have a thermodynamic effect uh with the other the stuff that's in the other uh supplements where you're gonna sweat uh unnecessarily. Uh so our supplement doesn't cause that. And then um the other thing is the crash. So with energy drinks, all of that, when it goes away, it hits you, right? Two to three hours after having an energy drink, you feel like you need another one. Um, with our supplement, it just kind of goes away, it just wears, it's essentially wears off, and you just like return to normal uh versus like feeling bad about yourself for what for wanting some more.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Um yeah, and energy drinks leave you kind of like it's fiending. It's like you're kind of like a drug addict, and you're like, you need more, you need more to to feel better, you know. And I and I'll definitely say, like, I I've done you know the pre-workouts, the energy drinks, it's especially younger, not not anymore. Um I hate the tingling feeling. I hate listen, I I'm already about to do a workout. I know my heart rate is about to climb, but I shouldn't chug one down and be sitting there and my heart rate is already like up there, like it's just not like that's not natural. That's that's not you know, that's not good. And you know, you you talked about and it's a hundred percent right. Yours offers a hundred milligrams of of caffeine, where the average for um energy drinks is 300, you know, which is incredibly insane. And I'm not a like I said, I'm not a caffeine person that much, so like I'll I'll drink caffeine like I'm a big tea person, so like I'll have cat, like obviously there's caffeine in tea and everything like that, you know, like uh like a matcha or chai or something like that that's slow releasing. Um, if you drink something like for myself, you drink an energy drink, that's just gonna hit me even more than what it's gonna hit somebody who drinks energy drinks every single day. Where you know, I think also this this product that you guys have have made, and you know this supplement is can also reach people who's looking to get into like, all right, I don't want to do energy drinks, but I need a little bit of caffeine in my life to to also help me too, but also this is gonna promote uh you know, you know, better brain function, you know, cock your cognitive function and everything like that, and just gonna help you way more in every single way, and also not leave you crashing where yeah, the crash might be honestly might be the worst part because then you really don't want to do anything, and you know, it's you I know people drink you know energy drinks in the morning. I'm like, what is what is wrong with you? Because then you're going to need another one to just do your day, and we just started the day, you know what I mean? Well, where this is like you said, it's just gonna release you back down to to normal, and then you know, it's it's a good thing, you know, for hunting, for meetings, for for just so many different things in life where you're not going all the way down where you need another pick me up.

Brain Fog And Better Decisions Afield

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Yeah, absolutely. Uh it's so I guess to go over some of the benefits, um you're you're you nailed it, uh, like focus, cognition, decision making, memory, all of that stuff's gonna be enhanced. Um, like your ability to really like bear down and and get stuff done. Um, or you know, it's I wouldn't say it like it causes tunnel vision because it obviously doesn't, but it that's kind of the feeling that you get where you're like, all right, um, you know, I'm looking down down my sights uh and I'm I'm laser focused on what I'm trying to do. And so especially like what you're talking about, where people drinking energy drinks in the morning, a lot of us, you know, when we don't get enough sleep or whether we're working odd hours or things like that, uh have brain fog. And so making decisions and and you know, uh trying to get stuff done is really difficult when you feel like that. This helps lift that right off. Um, you're like, all right, now I feel like I can actually get things accomplished today. And so like that's I think one of the biggest things for most people is is that like groggy feeling that we all get, like when you just you don't sleep enough or it's been a long week or whatever, especially like you, you know, you're out hunting, whether it's like the middle of November, right? And you're you're on day 10 and you're just like been sitting every morning, every night, or even all day, and it's just like man, I don't want to get up at 5 a.m. to you know go get in my stand. It's and you're just you know, you're dragging. It's this is that thing that'll it'll put you over the edge to be able to make make the right choice because you know if you don't, he's gonna walk by. Yeah, yeah.

Hydration Coffee And Daily Performance

Flavor Sweetness And What’s Inside

SPEAKER_00 20:48

No, it it's it's funny you say that because like that's that's the reality of it, and then yet again, so many people are just waking up three o'clock in the morning, morning, and just chugging down a freaking Red Bull or a monster, and like yet again, like I'm like, we went out waterfowl hunting, and listen, I love waterfowl hunting, don't get me wrong, but it's not it's not the same thing as deer hunting. You gotta get up early and stuff like that. But like I got guys sitting next to me that are just chugging Red Bull. I'm like, what is wrong with you? Like what is going on where where this is like all right, yet again, this is something that like if you take this, like the the benefits just so outweigh, you know, any of the the negatives that you can even remotely, you know, get to. And as as I'm hearing it, you know, as as we're talking and the research that I've done on it and everything like that, like, you know, why hurt our her bodies and hurt our ourselves and everything like that when we can we can just purely help ourselves dur, especially during, hey, if you need that extra little whatever to to get yourself going, like uh energy drinks are not going to be are not going to be it, you know, especially for you know. waterfowl head like that that's absolutely crazy you know but during deer season like who who doesn't get that feeling it's like yeah um run down like i you you need a little something to help you and to focus like how how many times have i've you know you're you're out hiking and everything like that you're running gunning and you know you get up and your energy levels do go down and then you those are when that's a time when mistakes happen you know and with with this you know I I feel like it's going to help you maybe cut down on on some of those mistakes that you know that's just so natural to to so many people that listen when you're tired that's when you know the mistakes do happen you know that's when you're gonna just sleep in and the big buck is going to to walk by or or whatever the case and you're gonna be shooting your ear and be like oh damn like I I knew I should have gotten out where versus like hey you know I get up boom you know whether you you drink this right when you get up you know you're you're driving there what whatever the case is it it is going to help like all right cool now we got this this focus and like you said you don't necessarily not tunnel vision but it's like all right you have your goal in mind the goals in mind let's let's get to that goal yeah I have a funny example of that um so you could even still get up and get to the tree stand right and we all have gone through this where we're sitting there and nothing's happening and nothing's happening and nothing's happening and you just lose focus and you're like uh I'm just gonna pull my phone out and you know that who knows how many missed opportunities that we've had because we've been staring down at our phone right whether that's he you know most of the time he's not gonna walk by in bow range with and we're not gonna notice but whether it's you know seeing him in order to make a move for tomorrow or calling them in or anything like that and the example that I have is that my buddy just showed me a video last weekend he was 200 yards from another guy in a stand and not purposefully on public land whatever the other guy came in and climbed a tree like 200 yards from him but he could see him from where he was at and probably like a 130 135 inch buck walked right behind his tree and he was buried in his phone and never even saw him probably at like 15 yards it was and he he had a he showed me the video he had a video of it it was it was almost unbelievable if there wasn't a video I probably would wouldn't have believed it but it was just like you know sometimes we just lose focus and and that's a miss it could lead to a missed opportunity and and uh to speak to you know the whole the health thing that you were talking about too um the the other benefit so the recommended dosage or not dosage but uh like mixture so they come in single serving packets of powder that you mix with water and the recommended water is like 16 to 32 ounces and so I normally mix it in like a now gene um that's 32 ounces and that really I think also helps because it's like you're hydrating yourself right um you're drink also drinking 32 ounces of water whereas like other people you know there's water and energy drinks like okay but it's first of all it's carbonated um and then you know you've got everything else that's in those the um all the chemicals and all that kind of stuff and so for me it's like and then even coffee right so coffee's a diuretic and you drink that and it's just gonna even dehydrate you more um and it's we don't have any like quote unquote hydration uh ingredients in ours but the water is the hydration ingredient right yeah so no I I agree with that and you know yet again you know coffee is another thing and I and I don't drink coffee but I know so many people who they just love coffee like by the time 10 o'clock meeting hits or whatever you're doing people are on their second third or fourth cup of coffee but then you don't want to have water either because you've already drank so much so much coffee and everything like that and yeah the people are like there's water in coffee yeah we know that but it still doesn't you're not really reaping the benefit because um you know actual coffee really just it just dehydrates you you know pulling uh i i work with kids thank god i work with kids i work with inpatient thank god they don't drink coffee but we have to do blood work a lot you know i mean i couldn't imagine doing blood work on on somebody who is already down two or three cups of of coffee i always recommend like when we're doing blood work and i'm already having difficulty as it is getting a kid's vein or whatever you need to hydrate you really need to hydrate go drink you know a couple cups of water you know go take a really hot steamy shower drink water and then come back to me you know if if we had a you know and that's yet again another reason why when you go for your yearly checkup they don't want you drinking anything they re and they definitely don't want you drinking coffee and stuff like that too as well you know I we I have to tell my grandmother the other time you know she's um in her 80s and everything like that and it's tough to get her to drink water she loves coffee and she just doesn't understand that coffee no you're actually dehydrating yourself it's you're you're not doing what you're you're supposed to do. Okay one cup of coffee whatever I I'll be reasonable with people.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

One cup all right make sure you're though still drinking at least a couple cups of water you know like you said you know we have these things I I'm always downing you know third at least 32 ounce and then I fill it back up and I'm constantly drinking water water water and now you know the stick and everything like that and it's you're you're getting your hydration you know you're you're getting you know the cognitive function and and all the other and a little bit of that energy with the hundred milligrams of of caffeine too which is not super crazy amount enough to like okay boom it's gonna peek you up and pep you up and everything like that but you're not gonna get that crazy and um crash and I don't know correct me if I'm wrong I I didn't see there is no is there any sugar in in the in your guys supplement at all so it has sucralose uh for taste um so I guess I can touch on that the uh so our flavor is liger's blood is the name of it um it's just tiger's blood uh but we changed it to liger because of the lion's vein and so it's a strawberry watermelon coconut like a tropical flavor um I most people who know of tiger's blood it's because they eat it on a snow cone like that's where I I remember I first had it and I was like that I love this flavor and so when we were deciding on flavors it it was we got a few different samples and this one they absolutely nailed it and it tastes so good and that's honestly it it's hard to speak to because obviously people can't just know what it tastes like but yeah the one of the like the biggest selling points for us is when people try it they're like oh my gosh I never thought it would taste this good um just because of mushrooms and people have tried other stuff whether it's uh like the mushroom coffee or whatever else um different supplements and there it's uh I'm not gonna name any brands but like it doesn't taste as good as our stuff let's just say that good good I I love I listen I'm a big I have a big sweet tooth so like drinking stuff that doesn't have at least a little bit of sugar in it I know exactly what you're talking about I I remember the snow code and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Yes that's gonna give back absolutely just iconic memories of when I was growing up and everything like that but but I always tell people even a little bit of sugar is not it's not a deal breaker. Yet again you the amount that you're drinking soda the amount you drink in these energy drinks is a very very alarming amount of sugar that is that is so like not okay and yes you you know what you do need a little bit of sugar you're not gonna be able to sell you know something that just tastes like crap. I'm sorry no one at in this day and age was going to want something like you got to be very big hardo to to do that. I would probably I would probably do it I would just like it would be tough where at least you know this is going to be a drink that you can put in and at least it's gonna be in you're gonna be able to enjoy it and everything like that where it's not like every gulp was like oh my god like no this is not what I want to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Like I said I've been doing this type of stuff for like 20 years and I've been there right where it's just like this doesn't taste good but I paid for it and so I'm gonna drink it. Um and that's too funny like it it's so I don't know how much you know about like Jocko fuel.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah I've looked into it I haven't I haven't got it I've looked into it because you know I'm I am a big like I do like listening to him and like David Gog I use a lot of the their stuff for motivation but I've also looked into his stuff and everything like that. And I'm just trying to you know I like to do a lot of research on this stuff what's the best what can I go with and and everything like that. So I am I am familiar with with that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

So I don't know if you the the flag behind me is that yeah yeah yeah I see yeah yeah but uh but so jocko fuel actually had that that type of issue where they use so they use monk fruit extract to sweeten their stuff which I would eventually like to do for ours as well it's just a more natural type of sweetener but their first release of the the jocko fuel like flavors in the cans was kind of that way where I think a lot of people were super excited about and then they drank it and they were just like it's not not their butt and so they actually had to add more to you know satisfy the masses uh and their sweet tooth so it's just it's that's a funny analysis.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah that that that would have been me because yeah I got like during the off season it is I'm healthy like you know I'm working out so much more you know I'm active eating correct like I I'm I do intermediate fasting like I love love to do intermediate fasting and everything like that like and I drink a lot of water during the the season all that goes out the window the sugar cheese comes back also the holidays are coming up you know what I mean so like it it it's just like a a desserts are just getting put away at that point like I am I go to you know quick check too I'm doing an all day hunt I go to quick check real quick I want to get a sandwich and then like you see the little Debbie's or you see like and I'm like all right yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna go pick that up and I'm gonna pick a bunch and while you're out in the woods you're just downing freaking desserts and everything like that.

Stick Packs Convenience And True Dosage

SPEAKER_01 33:48

So I got a big sweet tooth so I I I completely understand but I you know it it's another thing when you're trying to you know you're making a supplement you're making a product whatever you're doing really in life you know you look at our our cereal and look at how bad everything is for is for us but like unfortunately people just don't want things that don't have that taste you know and if you're gonna do something like that you do have to please you know your customers and everything like that and you know perfect example you know what happened with Jacko and then you know the you know looking at at your guys like that is something it's like all right cool we're gonna add you know this um tiger's blood into it and everything like that guys yet again if you don't know it's not real tiger's blood um just want to give you guys a a heads up about that it is not but it does taste like it I'm just kidding I don't know hey listen a non-hunter would a hundred percent believe that we somehow went to wherever killed the tiger and drank its blood like that's extracted it yep exactly right um you know Peter's gonna clip that part um but you know it gives that something like all right cool now it's also like especially if you're you're getting someone who's who's maybe like on the younger side you know or you know teens or whatever it's easier for for people just get into this healthier habit if it does have that that good taste that that people are looking at you know and I I think that's a big part of people are dieting stuff like that like why it's so hard is because stuff is just so bland and just you know and if you don't have that discipline you're not gonna you're not gonna do it right that's that's the biggest the biggest thing for sure is like most people don't have that discipline right it's that like you said that hard o that just can do push through anything that's not most people um and so like kind of on that note the reason that we made this the way that we did with the stick packs and everything is for convenience and even like getting up and going to the woods it's like if you've got a you know you're probably are already running late because you did you know you hit snooze two or three times and now you got to stop at the gas station to get an energy drink and all right all of that it just adds up and then you're getting in after uh gray light and whatever so anyways that's why we created the stick packs so that you can just have it on you at all times it's easy to just throw in a backpack have a few in the car just anywhere that you know that you find convenient or that you would use them um there's obviously super light it just it doesn't take up any space it's easy to have around I I will 100% and you know for yet again this is this is not going to be everyone but but for a lot of our listeners and a lot of the people that we talk to like you know the six are just like I I use liquid IVs that's one of the ways that it helps me during the you know especially during the season or like when I'm doing crazy workouts and the electrolytes and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

I don't want to sit there and go to a container and have to take the thing out and dump it like boom open boom pour you know I keep all my stuff in the truck in my bag like you said you know I have I have my med kits that I that I use for you know for hunting and everything like that.

Product Trials And The Freeze Dried Pivot

SPEAKER_01 37:17

I keep stuff in there um into my to go bag you know everything that everyday life you know whenever I go to and we went to the zoo for you know a family I had I have stuff in you know it's you just never know but it's so much easier carrying a stick than it is you know just having you know the the regular jugs and everything like that and have to scooping and everything but also you're getting the the proper amount to with the stick you know right you know you don't have to worry about oh am I do I need to put more in do I have to da da da da boom you get the stick boom you know quick easy boom especially for someone who's on the go or you're you're out in the woods and stuff like that and you know hiking up a big mountain where wherever the hell you are and you know you just take it out boom put it in shake it up and you're you're good to go and it's not gonna take any too much extra time out of of your day out of your hunt out of maybe you have to go you're in business meeting or or running around with the kids you know I I imagine for you know yeah and I imagine you know all the all the parents out there they're like yeah you know running around the kids they got sports here they got to go do this boom boom boom you take one of these you know and it's it's just gonna get you into that zone and just like all right cool let's let's get this done let's let's get on with the day and you know hit up uh your everyday uh life that you got going on yeah no you're absolutely right I mean I like even going out west and you know packing like a five or so day uh pack like throwing five of those just for one a day into a backpack like takes up zero space it takes up I mean it they're uh let me look I think they're like eight ounces or sorry not not eight ounces eight grams so 0.29 ounces so you know they they they weigh nothing um it's just a a a little bit of powder and um but no more specifically to speak to what you said of the proper dosage like we all know those random uh like proteins and pre-workouts where it's like a heaping the the proper dose is a heaping scoop it's like what does that even mean um so unless you're like my wife who will look at the serving size in grams and then scoop it out and put it on a scale and then put it in yeah um you know unless you're doing that type of stuff you're probably not doing the proper dosage and so it's it's again easy convenient it's all there um just ready to go for you yeah no and that's very specific but there are people that do I I just you know most people just don't have the time to do I I love that she's she's committed to to doing it that way um so real quick when when we go back and you know when you're when you're starting this and you know I know you know the big stories you you chug the bang and you know you climb them out and you got altitude sickness you know from when you guys decided to start this and everything you know what were some of the trials and errors that you guys um you know had to to deal with you know when you decided to to start this adventure yeah so I guess first and foremost the the biggest one was we actually wanted to start with freeze dried meals um and do those first because again with me being a nutrition and all of that I felt like what was out there wasn't helping people helping fuel people uh the proper way for hunts like that and and so that was the kind of the change again I was trying to help the hunting community uh that ended up being a giant hurdle that it was 2020 there was a lot of like supply shortages and all of this different stuff that like really was it just wasn't going to happen. So we kind of pivoted and I was like okay well what if we did a supplement instead it still has the same type of effect um that helps people get through you know again like preventing like the altitude sickness and all of that stuff that I ran into just in a different way. It again it it still aligns with our mission of you know creating a more capable outdoors community just in an another aspect and so the the biggest thing back then was just finding the right dosages of of each ingredient. And I guess to speak to that real quick like you're what we have in our supplement is you're rarely going to find them in these dosages by themselves. Let alone all together so like if you were to go buy a lion's main supplement or go buy uh an ashwagana supplement like yeah you could take as enough as you need it but in a serving size you're not gonna get the same amount that you're getting in our stakes and obviously there's there is such a thing as too much like it's not gonna hurt you but you're essentially wasting it at that point. And we kind of we found what the effective dose that we liked for ourselves and that's what we decided to go with. And so um that was a a a big thing was just deciding on what we wanted in it. And so we looked at supplements that we had used and uh had success with and that we liked the effects of and really built a comprehensive list. I mean it it is like a a very detailed there's a lot of ingredients but they're all for specific purposes and once we got that nailed down it was finding a manufacturer that could make it for us that was another big hurdle. Uh again this is all just like building a business type of stuff right yeah yeah um so we we found a manufacturer and which I think is actually in New Jersey oh really it's it's makers nutrition I don't I honestly can't remember that was three or four years ago at this point. But so we found them we got them uh to you know produce our supplement and um we Obviously, we had to build the brand. So everything that goes into building a brand, uh, from like logos and uh like we obviously have core values, but we had to write them down. We had to go through all of these different things to decide who we were as a company and what how we wanted to move forward and how we wanted to brand ourselves and then build a following. Like that's a another huge uh hurdle. Like when nobody knows about your stuff, no, nobody's gonna buy your stuff, right? And so you have to let people know and get a following and and get people on board. But first and foremost, you have to have a good product. So we decided on like the tiger camo uh for the sticks, um, just to to give it like a cool look of yeah, again, like it's tiger camo. Um and then also like a uh a little uh I like I don't want to say a throwback, but uh a shout out to like the Vietnam era um yeah military. Uh we both like that kind of stuff. So, anyways, it was um all of those decisions, like it doesn't seem like oh yeah, it's that you know, it's easy to do, but like when you pile all of that stuff together, it's just like a whole process of building that it's it's very I wish I would have had this supplement to like in order to do all these steps first, yeah, um, to create it, uh, so that you know, like working on the business. Um, but anyways, yeah, so like once we actually got everything designed and got it manufactured and got the product in our hands, it was just getting it out there. Um, and I and it's I mean it still is like I obviously wouldn't call us like super successful at all. Um, we're we're really like still new, like we it's been two years, but we're still fighting, all right. Um and we just want to let people know about ourselves, like that we're trying to help people, um, we're trying to create again like a better, healthier community that is really gonna thrive, and that obviously we can't produce success for people, like they've got to put in the work to be able to do that. But our sub the goal of our supplement is to help people accomplish that. And I think that for us, like one of the biggest or one of our other values is leadership and leading by example. And so if anybody follows me or has followed me or wants to follow me, like that's what I put out there, whether it's working out, um, scouting, like doing all of the necessary things to lead to success, is you know, the work that I'm putting in so that other people can look at that and hopefully be motivated to do it themselves.

Branding Choices And The Wolf Logo

SPEAKER_00 47:28

No, I I I love it. And you know, we we're we're looking in right now. Um, you know, I'm on your guys' Instagram page and I have the website up. It is something that when for everyone who doesn't know, when you're when you're starting something like this, when you're you're creating stuff, how important is it you need to create something that's gonna catch somebody's eye? You know, when you know we we do the trade, you know, we do the shows and everything like that. And you know, I tell my my fiance she she heads up, you know, kind of you know, making sure all these events are going well and you know organizing and all these things because she does very well at that. It's like what is going to catch somebody's eye walking walking by? I don't know. Are you have you guys gotten into stores yet?

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Uh we have a few different locations that like are uh have like put it up on shelves in their stores, but I wouldn't say we're like in stores yet.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Okay, you know the box. I mean, first of all, the logo. Let's let's talk about the logo. Love the logo. Um, you know, it's it's simple, but it's also like it catches people's, it's gonna catch people's attention.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Can I can I give a shout-out for that real quick? Yeah, yes, go ahead. So uh Jonathan Griswold is the one that actually uh designed that and he works for now for Black Rifle Coffee and does all of all of their bag designs. And so yeah, this was back when he was freelancing still, and before they hired him on. And so he did it. I absolutely agree, he did a fantastic job with our logo. I absolutely love it. Um, wolves have always been something that's very like near and dear to my heart. For I honestly, I don't know why. I just it picked it up when I was young, and so I it was very important for me to have that incorporated, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Well, then even the name, you know, Timberwolves supply, you know, company that it's yet again. That's that's a name that is going to catch, and then you have it says ranger on it. Like for somebody who say outside, if I if I was just a ri like, okay, what the name who doesn't love the name Ranger? That could mean so many things from from the military to a lot of people have their pets, like it just could mean so much. Like, okay, what is this actually? And then I love it, it does say like Legger's blood on it, you know. As the it's like, okay, that's another thing for for somebody who a either knows what Legger's blood is or doesn't. It's like these are all things that catch people's eye.

Why It’s Named Ranger

SPEAKER_01 50:03

So can I speak? Can I speak to the ranger real quick? Yep, uh, yeah, so that was it. It obviously, I think most people like they jump first to like a ranger, like an army ranger, um, which is obviously a high class, like you have to put in some damn work to get to to get that tab, right? And uh or the scroll. The tab the tab and the scroll are different. I I can't speak to it. I was never uh in the military. Um, I am in law enforcement, it's a whole different role, but anyways, like it means something still to in that realm. Um, but the real reason that we chose it is that it's a so in Lord of the Rings, Arigan is a ranger. I love it. And and so that was kind of our like uh Easter egg of a of a for the name, but more importantly, it's it's just somebody who ranges, right? It's somebody who explores, who is just out like I I wouldn't call them like I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it. Um, because I don't think I've actually broken it down before for people. Uh but it's it's what we do as hunters, it's it's scouting, it's exploring, it's you know, tracking, like woodsmanship, it's all of the comprehensive things that we take on as uh outdoorsmen that are important to us, it kind of all wrapped up into one one name, and that's why we chose that.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

I I love that and the fact that you brought up Lord of the Rings, one of my favorite I love all the Lord of the Ring movies, and you know, and that's kind of like it's exactly what we are. Yes, everyone thinks of military and everything, and I 100% agree. Most people who say rangers, that's that's what I think of, right? But it's exactly what what we are too as well. I mean, look at look at what we get to do, and it really goes back to you know, I always get reminded of Lord of the Rings too, because look at exactly what you know what what he did and and everything like that, and you know, in our ways, that's that's exactly like what we're doing whenever we go out to the woods. Like, I get that feeling, especially, you know, we you got the bow, yeah, we don't have the sword, but you know, we have the bow and everything like that. Some people will have the you know have a gun, and and just depends on what. And you're out in the mountains, you're out in, you know, you could be swamps, you could be out in cornfield, there's axe feeds. There's there's so much that you can do, but you're exploring. We're getting you know, boots on the ground, we're heading out, you know, we're scouting, you know, especially during hunting. You have to be stealthy, you have to play so many different things. You're playing the wind, the thermals, you know, your spot and stalking it just depends on what you're doing, but it doesn't get more complete than that. You're not more of a you're a ranger than than what people really think you are, and you know, it's I I I love that too, you know. I I really do. That that that's that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Um, you know, so yeah, that's why I wanted to speak to it because I I think a lot of people don't uh understand quite how much I'm very one of the or very much one of those people that likes a lot of nuance, and and so it's uh I don't do anything not for a reason, if that makes sense.

The Five Year Plan And More Products

SPEAKER_00 53:40

I I absolutely love it. Um, you know, we're we're getting close to that hour mark. So I want to get in a few more things before before I let you go here and everything like that. Um, you know, what do you guys what you know what do you guys see yourselves in the next five years? Is is there anything you know new that you want to do? Obviously, continue pushing this and everything like that. What what is the the five-year plan for you guys over there?

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Yeah, I think what the next step for us is gonna be adding some more flavors. Uh, we we have some ideas, we had some that we tried out that needed some tweaking and stuff like that. I do eventually want to get into the freeze-dried meals. Uh, it's just it's gonna be a bigger step. And so I think that we need some more uh success with this product first to in in order to be able to take that uh next step towards that. And and that was kind of the the reason that we named it Timberwolf Supply Company is that we eventually want to have uh you know a full lineup of of stuff to be able to again create a more capable outdoor community. So that's gonna be like Ranger that would be uh you know a performance supplement, and then you've got food that we want to be also performance nutrition, like that sort of thing. Um, and then you could you know keep going on as far as like supplying the hunter with what they need uh to to perform. And so I think that uh the next five years is is gonna be taking steps towards that. So it's it's really just trying to continue to build the brand uh and build an audience that for us right now that's again like going back to it. If you if people don't know about your stuff, they're not gonna buy your stuff. And and so we're just trying to spread the word of what what we have and to offer and how it helps people, you know, whatever it is that you're doing. Uh the one of my favorite uh I don't know what you want to call him, he's not a celebrity, uh, he's my business coach, it's Rob Bailey. And uh they created a different supplement. It was called Onward, and the tagline for that was whatever your work may be. And that's kind of like that kind of idea is is what I want this to also have. Like Ranger, it can be whatever it is that you're doing, it's gonna help. It's not specifically a pre-workout, but you could use it as one. It's not an energy drink, but you could use it as one. It's not coffee, but you could use it in the morning to wake up. Like it has so many uh different options for use that that's really like I want people to understand that that it's not just like a hunting supplement.

When To Take It And Sleep

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Now, quick quick question. So on another, you know, somebody has you know wants to try this out, you know. What is your best like when's the best time of the day do you think to to use this? I know obviously everyone's days are different, schedule, you know, but you know, have you seen an optimum time, you know, to kind of use this uh supplement?

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Yeah, I I mean again, it you're right, it does depend kind of on schedule, but I think you could use it in the morning, like drinking it in the morning does help just lift that grogginess, that fog, uh, that a lot of people feel that prevents them from getting that early morning work done. Or like when you just don't feel like getting to the stand or you know, whatever it is. But I did want to speak to that because a lot of people are worried about like if I take this book for an evening hunt, like am I gonna be able to sleep tonight? And really, I think that all comes down to like your personal tolerance for caffeine, that's all it is. Most people we're a caffeine-addicted society, and so most people 100 milligrams really isn't a ton, it's not gonna touch you in the way that like somebody who doesn't normally drink caffeine would. And so if you are not caffeine sensitive, I've had people take it as late as like six, seven, eight o'clock and go to bed at 11, and it doesn't, you know, it's not affecting your sleep at all, to where the next morning you wake up and you're like, uh, yeah, or you can't sleep, or anything like that. It's and I we have found too that like our REM sleep has been better when we take this like okay, uh continuously, just like as far as getting into that like deeper sleep and having like dreams and doing all of that, like it's you sleep harder, I guess, if that makes sense.

Mushroom Myths And Safety Questions

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Very, very interesting. Uh, that's gonna, I mean, I track all all my stuff and everything like that. I I track my sleep, so uh, I'm I'm pretty interested to to also see that and and everything like that, and you know, see how it affects me. Like, I'm gonna be someone who takes it earlier in the day. Um, I'll never forget. I told you I'm I I love to drink tea and everything like that. And at the time I was drinking, this was like three or four years ago, I was just got introduced to matcha, you know, and I I had no idea about matcha, I just knew it was green, and I was like, what the hell? And it's tea, right? And I'll never forget, like, I was about to leave work, and I think it was like seven or eight o'clock at night, and somebody, one of my coworkers, had ordered me, you know, a large matcha, and I was about to leave, and I was like, Oh crap, like, all right, like thanks for ordering it, but like I'm about to go, it's nighttime, but let me just just down it down. So I chugged the whole entire thing, went home, yada yada, did whatever. I'm laying in bed trying to go to sleep, but like my eyes are just wide awake, and I'm like, what the hell's going on? Like, I can't fall asleep. And you know, my fiance, she goes, What's going on? I was like, Yeah, like I don't know, I can't fall asleep. She goes, Well, what would you would you drink or eat tonight? I go, Yeah, like that uh, and then I was like, Yeah, but then you know, I also had you know a large matcha, and she goes, Are you serious? I go, No, like, yeah, yeah, like this is what I had. Like, what's this? She goes, Do you know how much caffeine is actually in my and it's also like a a slow release caffeine? So like it just like slowly just and I was wide awake, just staring at the at the ceiling and everything like that. And I was like, Oh, like, okay, so that's only a a morning time thing until I get used to it, you know. I definitely would try it for you know, evening hunt, especially like from work. If you're somebody who's working all day and then you know, you got time to get out in the evening and everything like that, like it is gonna be not 100% 100 milligrams. This society right now is obsessed with with caffeine, which it studies to show a little bit of caffeine is is very healthy for you. Too much caffeine caffeine is not, you know, and and this is this has like that that perfect balance and everything like that. So very interested to to see about the REM sleep and everything like that, and you know, overall just just what it has. Um, you know, for the people that are who don't know, you know, are still a little on the fence about you know trying products that have mushrooms in it and everything like that. And obviously, they're extremely healthy, they're they're used a lot more than I think people tend to seem, but what you know, kind of like give, I guess, you know, a little rundown on on that for somebody who's maybe on that on that nervous side to to try something like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

Yeah. Uh first I wanted to speak to the the whole like the slow release thing. So mixing it with 32 ounces of water kind of only allows you to drink so much at a time, anyways. So it is almost like a slow release, depending on how fast you drink it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:55

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:55

Um, and so I mean, we've I've put it in like a 12-ounce water bottle and just chugged it, and then I've also drank it in, you know, uh probably more than 32. It's probably like 40 or 45 ounces, and you know, it's the effects aren't necessarily that different, it's just like the concentration of how it tastes and how fast you drink it, and then how fast you have to pee afterwards, right? Um, but no, just to speak to the mushroom side of it, like that's always the reaction we get, right, is like that they think it's psilocybin and like they're microdosing psilocybin or something, and it's like that's no, those are different mushrooms. I'm not legally allowed to put that in a supplement. Like, that's not how that works. Um, no, these are legitimate mushrooms that again have been used for thousands of years um in medicine, and and now we're using them to try and enhance our daily lives. And a lot of people will buy them again separately in capsules, whether it's uh the ashragandha or the lion's mane or uh the cordyceps. And well, I guess to speak to that one too. I don't know how many people have watched The Last of Us, but yeah, love that. I we're very excited for that uh to start soon, right? Yeah, I am too. Uh, so that that's the other one we get is is people think is this gonna turn me into one of those things?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Um, that's not quite how things work. I I've been asked that question to like, oh, I think my first like is this possible? I go at that type of level, no, right? There have been like with certain insects, you you do hear of like you know, but I go, you gotta this is a complete to do it to a human body on that type of level, uh it's unheard of, and scientists do believe it's never going to happen. It's a TV show, it's a great well, it was a great video game, they're making it into a great TV show, you know. This is not going to taking something like that is not gonna turn you into a fungi killing um zombie, basically, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Yeah, I it's uh it's the some of the questions we get are are pretty funny. Uh so I guess the peep anyone that's on the fence, uh it's the uh I guess to answer your question, there's nothing to necessarily be afraid of. Uh, like I said, the dosages are they're clinically proven at the dosages that they're at for a reason. Um, like we didn't just pick them willy-nilly, you know, or like say, oh yes, more is better. We picked the dosages that we did uh for a specific purpose because you know it's research backed and all of that sort of thing. And you're gonna get with the combination of everything the results that you're looking for for sure.

Dream Hunts And Remote Alaska

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

Love it, love it. Um one more, two more, three more, two quick, quick ones though. Um, you know, we we've asked this every every for the last five years on the Guardians Stay Outdoors and podcast. It's one of my favorite questions asked, and it's it's kind of become this huge thing. You know, if you money was not a thing, you had two weeks. What what is your dream animal to go hunt?

What Chase The Unknown Means

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

That's a great question. Because I I was thinking about this because I I've worked a couple trade shows over the last weeks, and I've seen some some serious guided hunts being promoted. Same here. And money would definitely have to not be a factor. Um man, I think. I think what like uh the the I don't know I think some of like the uh the hunts that I've seen like Cam Han's do with the the elk on like the Indian reservations and stuff I I just I still am like fascinated with elk hunting and and I love it and I think that the experience is just so cool but also like being uh like airplaned in on like a um a seaplane or whatever they're called um into like rural like super remote Alaska or super remote Canada or something like that to either hunt bear or or moose I think that would be an experience that would be just unlike any other so it would definitely be that just something like super remote something that you you know other people have may not never have walked on this land type of a thing I a hundred percent agree with you everyone knows mine is it's moose there's there's no Alaskan you know and and I and I always tell people and I always like don't get me wrong like I I want to hunt elk somewhere and I I have a feeling I will like I think that one's way more achievable um than first of all the money aspect of going to Alaska and but you know then it's like you you have to just train like crazy it's you know me I'm not the best at flying so like I would have to fly I think all the way to California then fly to and then you have to get on a little plane like there's so much that goes into it you know you have to pack you know a certain amount of stuff for two weeks but you can't overpack and and things like that where I think Alaska is just such a difficult hunt and to plan and to pay for and and everything like that um where versus you know Colorado you hear a lot more people going to Colorado to Utah to New Mexico to hunt you know um elk and everything like that and that that's always going to be my thing like even if it wasn't a moose hunt like a grizzly hunt like I've seen K yeah the Cam Hayes uh episode where he was out um hunting grizzlies and they he shot that giant grizzly and you know they're a little worried and and everything like that and just like I I was freaking out just sitting here watching oh my god my my heart rate just you know started rising and like that that right there is then like listen at the end of the day if something happens you are totally screwed because you are in no man's land very few if any have encountered that animal you know have walked where where you have walked and everything like that so I I 100% agree with you right there. Um our show you know chase the unknown it all started with you know we we developed this catchphrase you know chase the unknown what does chase the unknown mean to us everything like that you know you hear that you know what what would chase the unknown mean to you uh being a being a ranger um I I mean that's that was the goal of of kind of going out west for me was exploring places that I've never been that are unfamiliar to me and essentially having new experiences it's I mean being out west is in the mountains is like a whole a whole different animal um you you realize how vast things are and in the terrain and all of that just it changes your perspective on things for sure and so kind of the that idea of like always searching for that next ridge uh or like trying to go over that next ridge uh to find out what's on the other side that that sort of mentality of being a ranger in that aspect of like just looking to explore just to find out what's out there that that sort of mentality I think is is what that would mean to me.

Final Takeaways And How To Reach Them

SPEAKER_00 1:10:27

I love it yeah that's completely accurate and I yet again I I just I love the the whole the ranger thing you know I love where where it came from and you know and things like that and it's it's it's 100% true you know I always tell people like what we do there's just I mean there's just so much unknown you know and as much as you may think you know when we get out there into the woods and everything like that we really don't know you know and it it's so exciting but my one thing you know I always like I'm like all right I'm gonna go a couple what's what's beyond that you know that wood line what's and I I get there and I'm like then I see something else I'm like okay yeah what is a what's past that ridge like all right now I'm gonna hit the ridge and like you're always pushing yourself to to find more you know to to explore more and everything like that and then you know I I I love that you you know you said that yeah the the uh that mentality even like and then when you don't go to that next ridge and you decide to turn around and go home you're it's always in your mind right like what was over there what did I miss like it's it's a crazy feeling but I think that that that sums it up pretty well I like it um Logan I mean it's it's been a great episode um extremely happy that this was the first one for for the chase the unknown you know I I'm excited I I already put in a a shipment to to try this out really looking forward to it um you know and getting you know something new into my life and like I said you know when we talked you know a couple weeks ago like this has been something that I've been looking at into trying um you know I wanted to to talk to you and everything like that because you you never get to really talk to these people you know you don't get to firsthand you know get some information you know um and I think that is a huge you know uh benefit to to a lot of people where you'd be like hey you get to talk or you get the questions answered on on a podcast and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

So you know really looking forward to that um you know any any last words from from you yeah I I think I mean if anybody has questions like that or wants to reach out we're a small business we're very reachable um you know whether it's DMs or whether uh you know a message on Facebook anything like that like we're very personable. I hope that I come off as approachable and that you know people feel like they can they can talk to me because it's it's something that we are striving to do is is to help people at the end of the day. And so if something's holding you back just reach out like you know I'll give you my phone number we can chat on the phone like anything like that. Uh but I mean other than that like I'm really looking forward to getting this stuff in people's hands and having them try it out because it's really made a difference in a lot of people's lives like you've we've we're working with a couple different people that have some like TBI type stuff going on and it is they've you know given us feedback that it it has helped tremendously in just their ability to function uh which is I mean I couldn't I couldn't have ever imagined that when we created it that we would be getting feedback like that. And it's it's really like life changing for me to think that I created something that's helping someone to that extent which is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:04

I I couldn't ask for more right yeah and that's kind of like where I first heard of it you know through the military you know people having you know TBI or um hockey guys having CTE and I I think we talked about this on on the phone that like you know one of the guys um I mean he was a mess and I when I mean a mess just like and it was so unfortunate he dealt with so many concussions and and all these you know uh traumatic injuries to his brain and everything like that. And he he's a big component to um doing stuff like that you know using mushrooms in a in a positive way and you know for his cognitive function and everything like that and it's uh helped with the anxiety depression and and everything like that. So um big part of where where I got picked this up uh a couple years ago on the map and everything like that of you know my interests so and it's something you know I even um I'm a hockey player and I you know I know I've developed some some issues and everything like that and you know really looking forward to to using this like like I said so um love the you know love that and yeah like I said anyone who has any questions I mean yes definitely feel free I will tell you you know I DM'd him he sent me his number and we we talked on the phone I think like a couple days later and everything like that you know we've texts here and there and you know now he's on the show he's very you know very approachable you know great great great guy you know had a hell of a conversation you know I hope everyone enjoyed this episode you know and we definitely look for looking forward to you know if getting you on again and you know uh talking maybe some some more about hunting you know we we didn't get to get to the whole hunting aspect but you know you know talking to you a little further about hunting and some of your adventures out west and everything like that um you know we're we would definitely look forward to to that but you know we appreciate you coming on absolutely thank you very much for having me no problem everyone go check them out in the in the comments below the description the Instagram page everything like that go check out their product it is a phenomenal product you guys are going to love it um and you know we'll see you guys next time