Quiet Woods And Chasing The Unknown

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Every hunter has a moment when the woods go quiet, the air shows, and time slows down. And in that stillness you realize you're not chasing these games. You're chasing something that's walking to the chase the unknown changes. Where we go beyond the sound, chase the chosen, go deeper into the stories that fill the fires. The show is for the ones who sleep over the rice, who hate miles into the published land for just the chance, and we live for that silence before the shots, from the back country to the back rows. We sit down to the hunters and travelers with relentless stories. We live for the thrill, embrace the unknown, return for the stories we're telling. This is more than a podcast. This is the start of something real. Let's chase it. What's up, everyone? We are back and we are heading into the heart of the mid-Atlantic with none other than Hunter Carr of Blue Hen Outdoors, from flooded timber to the turkey woods and everything in between. Hunter's passion for the outdoors runs deep, and so does his mission to showcase raw, authentic hunts with purpose. We dive into how blue Blue Hen Outdoors got started and the grit it takes to film hunts to produce real content and what keeps them chasing those wild moments. Hunter, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. Of course, no, no problem. Um, you know, what since you're since you're new to you know the boondocks hunting podcast family from the garden estate to now the the chase the unknown, why don't you give yourself a a quick introduction?

SPEAKER_01 1:51

So my name is Hunter Carr. I'm currently living in Delaware, which is in the mid-Atlantic region of the United States. For those that don't know, I get that a lot. People say Delaware? I'm like, exactly. Um, but no, it's it's I mean, pretty much just I do blue hand outdoors and just try to keep it growing as much as I can with what I can. I mean, I try to expand everything with my Rolodex, as we'll get into in the outdoors.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

I I will say Delaware, I I I only knew Delaware of, you know, I I've been down there for for hockey tournaments and really honestly most of the part just passing through.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah, I agree with it's a pass-through state for the most part, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:42

And then the craziest thing, uh last year we were were talking about oh, like, you know, I want to go chase velvets in Kentucky. I want to go chase velvets in Kentucky, and I believe Real Tree dropped like the top like 10 or 50, whatever it was most underrated states. And one of my buddies was like, hey, like, why the hell do we want to go to Kentucky and drive hours on hours on hours where we can go to Delaware? Like, I was like, all right, like I was like, I don't really know much about Delaware, you know. I I didn't know, you know, I I was I guess uh blown absolutely away from the first trip I took down there to go scout and just how absolutely unbelievable, unbelievable Delaware is. So like I am really excited because this was my first year in Delaware hunting and everything like that. And I will tell you my expectations were just far, like hunting in Delaware just went way in above, and I had no idea it was it's like New Jersey. It's honestly just like Jersey, except for I just love you know it's a small state, but there's so much for us hunting on stateland and everything like that. Like everything is so close, and you can hit all these different WMAs and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

It's nice because like you could literally, depending on which way you go, if you go 13 or Route 1, you could really just pull up your on next to okay, hit this WMA, this WMA, this WMA, this WMA, and just go down to the beach and back, basically.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

And that's that's exactly what I did. So, you know, there's so much to do. And another reason why you know we we have the Garden State Outdoors and podcasts, and we talk so much about what it's like hunting in New Jersey, and we you know, we really hype up New Jersey because there's so much to do, and Delaware is just there with us. I mean, I the only thing I think you guys can't do, I don't think you guys have bear season, I don't think there's really any bears down there. We don't have any bears yet.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I mean, we had some that wander wander down from Jersey and from like PA and across from Maryland up in northern Delaware, but like that's not really like as an occurring thing yet.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Yeah. So were you born? You're born and raised in in Delaware?

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Born and raised in Delaware, went down to college for a little bit in North Carolina, right outside of Charlotte, and played some football before COVID hit, and then moved back home and been here ever since.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

So tell us what it's like one growing up, just just in general, what it's like growing up in Delaware. I don't really get to talk to too many people from Delaware and everything like that. Like I said, it's it is a pass-through state. Like even when we're growing up, and I was a big hockey player, like traveling all down up and coast to east coast, like we didn't run into too many Delaware uh kids and stuff like that. So, what was it like growing up in Delaware? And then how was it like um being a hunt? Like, when did you start hunting and everything like that?

SPEAKER_01 5:49

So, growing up, I always was hunting in the outdoors, hunting and fishing. My dad, he's originally from Erie, Pennsylvania, up on the Great Lakes. So when he moved down Delaware from being in the Navy, he just kind of ended up bouncing around from Publix before he hopped on a lease. And he had the lease from when I was growing up, from when I was basically born to when I was in high school, before the farmer sold the property, unfortunately, it happens, but yeah, is what it is. So, yeah, so essentially I grew up deer hunting with my dad because he's from, like I said, Erie, and that's really big up there. And granted, I did do some waterfowl, waterfowl hunting here and there when I was younger, but when I got into high school in my old years now is when I fell in love with waterfowl and fell in love with turkey hunting and fell in love with everything like I do now.

Public Land Turkeys Tags And Rules

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, no, I'm man, I I I'm really excited to talk because like waterfowls now kicked off for me in a whole nother adventure and just my obsession, everything like that. Um, you know, so you you had the the hunting background from from your father and everything like that, but what's it like with Delaware? Like, is it's kind of like I imagine like Jersey, it's not really do people frown upon like hunters and everything like that? Like, did you know a bunch of people growing up uh that also hunted as well, or was it just kind of you and your family?

SPEAKER_01 7:21

So growing up from like my like my a couple butt buddies in the hunting club had kids around my age growing up, so like I had those kind of friends and we all hunted together, so it was like we went to school together, so I had those kind of friends that hunted. Honestly, I'd say it's like a mixed bag here in Delaware because the more because I don't know how familiar you are with Delaware, but the C and D canal kind of like splits the state path essentially, and like that more northern part's like, oh, you hunt, and they kind of like not like frowns upon it, but like has a kind of like stick your nose up to it attitude for some people. But the more south you go, uh oh, it's everybody hunts, especially the closer you get towards the beach.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yeah, yeah. Um, I I kind of got I mean, it's a it's just where we were, it's a beautiful we're beautiful area. Delaware, like I said, I I absolutely love it.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

It's gonna be um what town do you guys go to, if you don't mind me asking.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

I want to say, I mean, I think I stayed for the hotel was in middle middleton. Okay, yeah, that's right. I'm from Middletown. Okay, cool, cool. Okay, so we were yeah, so I I believe I stayed at the hotel multiple times there in Middle Middletown, and then like just traveled all up and down that coast and everything like that. We're just just deer hunting and everything like that, all up and down the coast. Um, you know, we we tried to, I think two of my guys got on some turkeys, uh, or one of my guys, uh Payton, he got onto some turkeys and everything like that. I didn't know that because we saw so much turkeys on public land that I didn't know you had to apply for public.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

See, the the thing with Delaware is you'll see them on public land when you don't want to see them, yeah. Everywhere, like Delaware has a lot of turkeys on public land, but the draw is kind of pain in the ass.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

But it's also nice when you have friends that have private because you're allowed to hunt private for turkeys with just your license, at least as far as I know, has been told.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Yeah, that that's what we kind of came to the realization this year. Uh, because we were so excited. I mean, from the minute we started scouting, Delta, we're like, oh my, there's just birds and birds and birds, and then you know, we went to go and it's like, yeah, you didn't get the the lottery up. We're like, wait, what the hell? You gotta have a lottery to be on, but like it's so cool. And then you guys have a lot of lot of waterfowl down there, like oh yeah, we're seeing birds just everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Delaware's a very rich waterfowl state along the mid-Atlantic because it's right there with yeah, Delaware and Chesapeake Bays in Maryland and Delaware.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Yeah, I mean it's it it's it's incredible. So, like, you know, for for me here, I think it's to get to you, I think it just takes me like two hours, like legit like two hours, and it's just a straight drive.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

So are you at in Jersey North?

SPEAKER_00 10:14

I'm in, yeah, like that nort northern Jersey. Like I'm in um I'm in Summit, so that's probably like I could see the city. If I go to the roof, I could see the city. Oh New York City, yeah, yeah. But I'm still like 30 or 40, 30, 45 minute drive to to New York and everything like that. So I'm right off of 78. So it's okay, it's a quick drive, honestly, to Delaware and everything like that. Um, I I spent yeah, a good amount, especially in the early season, spent a good amount of time in Delaware. But um, you guys also have the um, and also what I like, it's a it's a two-deer state, correct? Two bucks state.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah, two bucks, uh, four does. You can pay extra to get an extra buck tag if you want, but most people just do the two bucks that it that it comes with.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

See, I I love that. I I absolutely love that. And another thing, like at least in the zone that I was hunting, there was a um, I think it's the spread, right? There has to be a minimum spread and everything like that. Um for the G.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Unless they changed it.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Uh yeah, I mean, uh, we're gonna have to double check that because I have a I had a stud that I was after, and we changed it. Yeah, I I will I'll double check that. Um, but I'm I'm pretty sure that's that's the assumption that that we were under and everything like that. Now coming from, you know, we're we're really gonna have to check that out.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Well, I know my my wife, she's originally from New Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Up uh around Trenton area. Okay, all right, yeah, yeah. And then um her well, her uncle, he has land out in Pittsburgh, and I've hunted out there. And Pennsylvania has that it's gotta be a four-on-one side rule, and I know that as far as like rules for when I do and I have also deer and water file hunted up in Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

But certain zones, yeah, certain zones here have the antler restriction, but you know, from my understanding, they're going away from that. Yeah, they're gonna be going away from that. Um, I think within the next year or something like that. Um, not all zones have it, so but I do think there are certain certain zones and everything like that that do have an antler restriction. But um, you know, whether we'll we'll 100%, I'll get I gotta text my buddy after this and be like, hey, listen, is there really an antler? Because there's a stud that I was on constantly, and he you could tell he's the more mature buck, but he had that narrow, just narrow antlers that they're basically, I think, touching each other. If they weren't touching this year and he survives, they'll hundred percent be touching next year. Did you hunt around some Mara? No, I don't know, I don't think so. I can't I can't really remember uh where the hell I was hunting. I know once I'll I'll I'm hunting, I'll I will reckon remember, I'll I'll shoot you a text and everything like that. But right now I can't just because I haven't focused on Delaware at all since um probably since I left there in November. Yeah, because I killed my buck and I went right down to Jersey or right down to Delaware after I go with my buck up here. Um, but um so for for you guys, like what what was some of your earliest memories now when when you were hunting down in Delaware?

Waterfowl Beginnings Canoes And Mentors

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Oh man, the f first and foremost, the one thing I do gotta say, and I'm blessed that I got the opportunity to hunt with this gentleman. One of the members of the lease club that my dad was on, he was uh uh a decoy painter for all the old school suspended flats, decoy makers that used to carve them out of cork and wood and all that. Uh the names escape me right now, but I will say that it hearing him talk and spending time with him, him, Mr. Paul Schurts is the gentleman's name that I hunted with you can't compare anything like that to hear the hey glory days of the Susquehanna Flats duck hunting and being able to hunt with quote unquote a local legend like that. It being a kid, it was just amazing. And then there's times where I've had to go another uh memorable time. Uh waterfowl hunting is when me and a buddy of mine and a couple of his buddies canoeed out off of some creek in the middle of the road somewhere, and oh that was just a fun time just sitting in the just the wetlands opened up by the refineries, and it was just it was really cool.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Man, that that's I I think it's it's the ultimate goal for me to get a canoe or a kayak or something like that and just paddle out to somewhere and just do a hunt, whether it's a waterfowl hunt, a deer hunt, or or whatever the case is. Like I I think when you when you look back, like getting into spots that are so hard to access and the only ways through water is it's one of my favorite ones. And I'm I'm definitely looking forward to the time when I can, but until then, you know, it it's I only get to to listen and and watch the memories of of everyone else until I until I get the the opportunity to as well. Um you know, so also like so when you're when you're in Delaware, you know, it's you're heavy on the waterfowl hunting and everything like that. Um you know, when you're when you're getting into it and when you're when you got back into it, especially after you know the college and everything like that, yeah. You didn't get to hunt when you obviously went to school and everything like that?

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Well, because I was playing football, so yeah, busy, busy schedule.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

So yeah, yeah, but busy schedule. So what was the process when you finally came back and everything like that? When you when you came back up to Delaware and things like that, you know, what was the process of getting back into what did you have stuff like were you were you the hunter before that you already had a lot of the equipment and everything like that, and you know, the decoys and stuff, or did you have to be like, oh like I gotta get all new decoys and everything fresh out of college, and you know, it is not the cheapest thing getting into one hunting and then getting into waterfowl hunting either. So so kind of what what was that like when you're getting back into the the waterfowl game?

SPEAKER_01 16:30

So I had I've I've had everything from growing up. I mean, my dad's had decoys and stuff, so I just banged the dust off of some of the stuff that we had. Uh the the only crazy thing I probably really had to get gear-wise was like new waiters, and as far as getting into stuff, uh turkey gear, because I didn't really turkey hunt until I came back from college.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

But outside of that, I mean I pretty much had everything. Oh, and I got a bow. I got a secondhand bow from a bow shop so I could get into bow hunting. Because I was that was one thing I wanted to get into when I was in high school before college, and then I never got the chance because I was away, but then I came back and I was like, oh well, let me get a bow off a marketplace and get it tuned up at the shop and we'll get it going.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

I love it. No, I it's and that's the cool thing, like getting, especially when you get the opportunity to just start growing as an outdoors and when you start to branch off into everything like that. What would what was the transition like, you know, from from this waterfowl hunter? Because I always tell people, like, I'm a diehard deer hunter. Um, I go crazy for deer, like that's the only thing I can think about during the deer season. And then now, like, I'm absolutely in love with the fact that waterfowl to me is very relaxing, it's fun. Oh, yeah, not saying deer hunting is not fun, and you know, everybody's gonna be like, relaxing, but yeah, it's I would stretch it relaxing, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

It's its own different principles because deer hunting, you're by yourself most of the time, you gotta be quiet and just enjoy the peace and quiet. Well, like turkey hunting, too. Yeah, but waterfowl, you have your bandit, like you have your group guys, you have your decoys, you can talk a little bit more, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

You're having food, you're having a way different fun, you're having a more social, a social fun.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Exactly. It's more social waterfowl hunting.

Switching To Bowhunting Mental Game

SPEAKER_00 18:28

So when when you went from that social to now becoming a a deer hunter and like that, and also it's just a completely different avenue where you have to worry about you know the the wind direction as for for scent and everything like that. So, what were some of the challenges going from this waterfowl hunter to now going in to be a bow hunter?

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Um there there was a little bit of challenges from being a gun hunter to go to being a bow hunter, like you have to you know range a little bit closer, more you know, wind, all that flun jazz, you can't really be shooting a bow when it's 10 to 20 mile an hour wind gusts outside. But it was all a challenge in itself, and I adapted it. So, I mean, those that go through it, you'll find your own trials and tribulations. I mean, like I said, the biggest thing for me was yardage and trying to gauge yardage from where I'm at.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Go ahead, go ahead. All right, you know, you go down to 200 yards.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah, you don't you don't really have to worry like like you do um with the bow hunting, and that's why like I rangefinder is one of the most important things to to a bow hunter, but sometimes you just don't get the opportunity also to range it in dear. I mean, the buck I killed this year didn't range in had no time at all to to range him in, so I kind of took like a just guesstimate and it worked out perfect, thank god. It worked out perfect and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

But well that and being excited and shot placement's kind of like my other biggest thing. Because it's like okay, you can take your breath, you know you're far away, you know, if you mess up or not, like you can have regroup. But with a bow, that's because there's a couple of times. I mean, my first shot with a bow, I will say probably I shouldn't have taken it, but I did gut shot the deer and lose it. We all been there, we learning experience, you know. Like I said, shot placement, and I was like, holy shit, first buck with the bow, like nerves and all that, but learning experience.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Yeah, I I think the also the the learning experience, like at least when when you're when you're waterfowl hunting, too, and this is something I talk about all the time, and I preach about it because now it's knowing as as the rookie waterfowl hunter, um, you know, is if you mess up, like you're gonna get a whole nother flock coming in, like there's just flocks on flocks. So, like it is a lot easier to also fail kind of when you're waterfowl hunting and continuously get the practice versus deer hunting.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

You may you may mess up, or you could even mess up in deer hunting and not even know that deer ever again until like probably three years later, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Exactly. So I think you know, the trial and error, like you, it's two different types of growth of of hunting. I think to to get I'd I'd much rather get a new hunter into waterfowl hunting first than transition them into uh deer hunting so they can really fall in love with hunting and the chase and everything like that. And then now, hey, you you had a great time, you know, waterfowl hunting, it was all fun and games. Well, now it's time to like you're gonna be staying up at night going. Dreaming about that deer and stressing and everything like that, but I'm the total opposite. Really?

SPEAKER_01 22:06

You stress about the waterfowl. No, no, no, no. I don't I don't as far as like taking people out, I'm the total opposite. I I because I've taken a few friends out that I want to get into and stuff. I'm like, okay, you won't go out. We'll go out, but I'm gonna see how much you want it. So because I I I'm like that aspect of things. You're public land hunting, not everything's gonna go right all the time. Situations are gonna arise. What are you gonna do to mentally? Right, and it's a lot of mental too. So it's funny because my one buddy he still talks about it to this day, the first time I ever took him deer hunting. Me and him went out to the bar till probably like 2 a.m. And then guy before to go deer hunting. And he still talks about it to this day, and he wants me to he wants me to take him out and everything and still go. And he he's he's all gone home for it. And he's like, dude, I didn't think you were like that, but he's like, You got a point. There's gonna be those days where it's like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah, no, it it is, and you know, that's the like so I'm I'm saying like a lot. That's uh I'm trying to work it, you know, doing the whole podcasting. There's words that I'm trying to work on where I don't say because I catch myself saying all the time. Oh no, you're fine, man. Well, I get it from the fiance, my mother, and like now our our our producer who should who's not here today, but he will be producing uh episodes from us from moving on forward and everything like that. He's like, You gotta stop saying this, and but whatever. I think um the mental grind of deer hunting is is like no other. It reminds me also turkey, turkey hunting, too. Mentally, like I'm a new turkey hunter. Oh, dude, learning turkeys, and it's just the direct opposite of deer hunting, so it's very frustrating. Yeah, ver so those two things right there, but deer hunting is just a absolute clusterfuck and mindfuck completely for for other reasons and and things like that. But um, you know, I I like it. Like, I got a guy who we're gonna our producer, we're gonna I'm taking him out for sure, and he is going to I'm putting him through the work, like we're working for everything, and I truly don't believe in people when you first get into hunting, and I say this I think almost every episode now, but you know, like kids, like I don't need you shooting 160-inch deer, right? It's gonna it's gonna ruin you, you know. I love the story because you're gonna want nothing but that and bigger, exactly, and it's hard to go from 160 and up, like I'm sorry it is, unless you're moving to the Midwest or you have the time and money to spend constant. Most people don't, uh but I love the stories of people, you know, their first time out, or especially bow hunting, taking a full quiver in and leaving with an empty quiver because I shot all their their arrows and they missed, or like I remember my getting into bow hunting, I struggled. Like, I yeah, it was an absolute struggle, but it mentally made me stronger because there's gonna be years where you're yes, everything's gonna come together and deer hunting, you have to do 10 and 10 out of 10 things right. And if you do nine things right, you may not get that deer.

When A Record Buck Gets Poached

SPEAKER_01 25:36

So oh yeah, oh dude you're you're not pretty quiet here. I know it because I had so I should have had the stellar state record this past year. I should have broke it. Really? For a typical gotta hear this story. All right, let's hear it. So, not to get too into getting in trouble with my friend, because it's my friend's property. Ah, okay, gotcha, gotcha, yep. And there was a situation that happened with said deer got poached. Yeah. So but yeah, I mean I I put my time in for the deer, and there's been a couple times where I should have been in the woods but wasn't, but it happens.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Yep, of course, of course.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

But it it that kind of after I found that out, I just kind of like, all right, it's waterfowl season now. No more deer. Yeah, that broke my heart.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Which is, you know, I it's it's crazy because like you don't hear that those type of stories where you hear of other failures, like, oh, like you know, I shot and I missed the deer, or I did this or did that, where it's something it's also you're like, yeah, you could have gone out a few other times and everything like that. But the way like I much rather have found out somebody killed the deer and it was done correctly and ethically, you know what I mean, versus oh well it was poached, and then it's like damn, like you there's no honor, and like it's not like oh, like yes, the the the storybook closing, like that's not a storybook closing at all.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

That's that's the most heartbreaking ending to the story.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah, it's it's like oh man, like it's there is there was no fair chase involved, like the other person who who killed it, like there wasn't a fair chase involved, like that deer deserved a fair chase, like that deer deserved to be and then also to be honored because obviously we all know when when animals are are poached and everything like that, when they or the when you know they find out animals are they take and repossession.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Oh, yeah, they don't know, take them like the only thing my friend has is just the one half of the antler, really, yeah. And he's lucky he has that.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Jeez, that's that's absolutely crazy. But I mean, listen, things happen. There, there's it's it's just one of those unfortunate things. I I found a bear um turkey hunting. I want to say last year that was definitely, definitely poached. Um, you know, it just of how fresh, not even fresh, but like yeah, yeah, it was decay, but not not enough to when, like, oh, like this happened during during the bear season and everything like that, you know, and then there's it things happen, and I I wonder too, like, I never really think of like some of the bucks that I've watched and like targeted, like ever think, like, oh, like that deer was poached, you know what I mean. I'm I'm always thinking like it was hit by a car, it was, you know, gosh, it died for some natural causes, or another hunter took it. But that's what you always want to think. But to find out and to know that it got poached, that's yeah, the dagger in the heart there, man. I wonder what the reality of the number, like, we'll never find out, but like I wonder what the reality of deer that have actually been poached that like people are just like, damn, like never even know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Too many, like, especially privates and private land and even public, like uh it's people do crazy things for well, even I don't know if you listen to uh Rogan or not, or how with him, but when Luke Bryan was all Rogan, he was like, dude, somebody shot my stag from the fucking side of the road, yeah. Yeah, on his high fence property down in Tennessee. He's like, What the hell?

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Like, yeah, people people do crazy things to to kill animals, and I that's why I don't agree with some of the laws that we have here in New Jersey and everything, like because like it puts questionable people in questionable situation situations, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

You have a lot of I've noticed because I've hunted up in Jersey from dating when I was dating my wife, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

And it Jersey has a lot of gray areas, yeah. Uh a ton, a a a ton of gray areas, so you know it's and I think you yes, there's poaching with deer, but like especially somebody like you who you're on the you know the coast and everything like that, like fishing, everyone knows like fishing is is probably the biggest, and you know, you have all these regulations and how much you can catch and size and everything like there's a lot, and I I'm not trying to be saying anything like my experience, like you get a lot a lot of the um a lot of Asian cultures and everything like that. Like, I've seen it where they're just plot plot and just catching fish and they don't care about the size and everything, like and crabbing and everything like that. Because listen, at the end of the day, that's their culture, that's what they're used to, and and everything like that. Food is food, which I a hundred percent I a hundred percent agree. Like, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

And and there's a lot of um I I know in like Delaware there's there's a lot of like Hispanic cultures that are like yeah, like that, but not to like put shade or put neighborhood down or like that, but that's what they're used to, you know, just go find food and get food and bring it back to family, yeah. They're not used to all the regulations that like we have here, or they're or it's kind of like they see them, they're like, Oh well, whatever. We we don't have that where we're at. We're trying to get food for our family, yeah.

Blue Hen Outdoors Brand And Content

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Wait, and which everything is, and I will say at least everything is is probably eaten. Like, I like they they eat every like everything, which which I love, like yes, I do love that part. Does it does it suck? Is it is it that gray area where man, like I respect that you're so good at catching all this fish and everything like that. But listen, at the thing, rules are rule, so that's why I've always grown up. Like, listen, if you're breaking a rule, you're breaking a rule. I I'm not gonna say anything, but if you get caught, take the responsibility of hey, listen, I got caught and I fucked up and and everything like that, and and take your punishment, you know. I mean, uh, it's I don't it's a it's an interesting situation. Um yeah, so now let I I definitely want to talk about you know the company, you know, Blue Hen Outdoors. First of all, the logo. I absolutely love the logo. How how did you come up with that logo? It's oh this is AI generated.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

I thought okay, cool. I'll I'll do it was there for like an hour and a half on like on like three different AI platforms, just trying to just like find one that I like. I was like, Oh, that looks cool.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

I I I like it. I actually I like it a lot. It's definitely it's definitely different. So, where where did the name come from, blue hen? Like, where did that first and what was the trial era? My hardest thing has always been coming up with with names and everything like that. I remember that that's always the biggest pain in the butt. Then you also don't want to be like other people and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

So blue hen, I saw as like, okay, that's different. And it's kind of like a nod to Delaware, because that's the state bird for Delaware, the blue hen, University of Delaware, that's their mascot, the blue hens. Yeah, so I was like, that's kind of like my nod to where I'm from without saying where I'm from, and being like uh first state hunting or Delaware hunting or whatever. I just thought it'd be cool and different. And at first we were blue hen bow hunting, and that's just kind of like I started doing everything when bow season kicked around, so I was like, Oh, that's kind of like has a nice little ring to it, blue hen bow hunting. And then as I got into waterfowl season, I'm like, oh, I just I don't just bow hunt, I do a little bit of everything. So then I kind of rebranded it to Blue Hat Outdoors, and especially as being a big waterfowl guy and everything like that. Well, right, how how how my seasons go is from whenever bow season opens for deer to Thanksgiving, that's deer season. From Thanksgiving to the end of waterfowl season, that's waterfowl season. Yeah, and then I just got my trapping license this year, so I'm gonna trap after waterfowl season and get into that and give me something to keep me busy before turkey, and then we're all into turkey season, and then after turkey season, I go fishing till it's time to go deer hunting again.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

I respect that. It's basically you got the same kind of schedule that that I got, like deer season, deer season boat, like and then bear season for us, like when we live and die by bear season over over here and everything like that. But then I start, especially if I've killed my buck and everything like that, once Thanksgiving hits that rut's winding down, everything like that. Then I start transitioning into like all right, it's waterfowl hunting time. You know, I I may I'll I'll go out here in New Jersey for six days and everything like that. It's kind of I really don't care about killing anything during six day. I it's more of just like, hey, going out with the boys, just having fun, like last camping, everything like that. Like, not really, I'm not really big big of a gun hunter. Like, I love bow hunting and everything like that, but um, but then once that switch and once that switch, I don't I didn't do a I don't think I did a bow hunt after yeah, once waterfowl started, like the only thing that we did was just waterfowl hunt, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

That's all that's the it's just the gear switch.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

So what what so you got your trapping license? What where you got that in in Delaware and everything like that? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Got it in Delaware. They did uh Delaware lets you sit so Delaware you can do Illinois or Kansas's online course and they accept it, or you go do the sit-in and do everything like a okay, like a regular hunter safety course. But I just was sitting at work to one day board. I was like, oh let me just do this real quick and got it done.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Man, I that's something that I would love to do. Like that's that's the goal list. Every everyone knows who lets it like that's the goal for for myself and a lot of the guys in boondocks hunting and everything like that. Uh, we had a um our our game dinner, our second annual game dinner. You know, we had uh Austin uh autumn make it autumn McKee come down, PA, trap a girl, everything like that. And she was talking about trapping, and that's something that I really want to get into. Um, I think it's we have to take a two-day class here. We can't do it online. We have to do a two-day in-person class. I I so that's that's coming eventually, but you know what, what what is it like gonna be trapping down there? Like, is it how's because I don't know what the predator population really looks like down there? Um, just because of the few experience of like I said, it was my first year down there, and I only spent from August to probably September-ish, once the deer season really kicked off here. So, what's your what's the predator population kind of look like over there?

SPEAKER_01 36:34

So, as far as predators go, we don't really have any big predators outside of like foxes and coyotes. I mean, you guys have bears and some bobcats and stuff like that up north.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Yeah, we we're not allowed, so we're not allowed to capture or hunt bobcats. Um it's and their number is definitely growing, like it it's definitely growing. You're seeing them probably every year, at least on trail camera and stuff like that, which I love. I absolutely love it. Um, but yeah, we have some big coyotes, we have a lot of coyotes, though. Like our coyote number is is booming.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Yeah, so I don't really know anybody down here that traps coyotes if I were barn into or meet somebody.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah, so my trapping catalyst is actually the Marsh Boys from up in Jersey, yeah, yeah, they do a lot of um raccoons and stuff like that, and I went on a trap line with them for uh coons, and uh he was showing me like a couple stuff for otters and stuff like that before he dropped his otter. But um, yeah, so I was like, oh that's cool, and then they kind of like were my catalyst to get my license, but I'm probably gonna end up. I mean, if I figure out how to trap coyotes around me, I probably will, but for the most part, I'm probably gonna do like raccoons and like beavers and minks and stuff like that. Try to do like nice fur stuff.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Listen, raccoons good eating. I will say so.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

I've heard I want I I do want to try one. That is my goal. If I trap one, I want to try one.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Rec raccoons good even eating, and I've heard a lot about beaver. I have heard beaver is really good. Um, having gotten the opportunity, like I said, I'm not I'm just gonna hopefully be getting into trapping within the next year or or so, and everything like that. Um, but I mean beaver would would be absolutely amazing, and you know, like you said, shout out the marsh boys, like they're those guys are great. Absolutely, absolutely love those guys. Um and they yeah, they've we're trapping hard this year, uh, for sure. Um now Blue Hen, you guys got a podcast now. Yeah, what is that? What is the transition now into into the podcast? How how's that going for you for you guys?

SPEAKER_01 38:55

Like it's what what's the uh yeah, what's kind of the the that's going uh pretty great, actually, but way better than I thought it was gonna be. So kind of to backtrack on how Blue Hunt Outdoors started, my one friend that I hunt with down here in Delaware a lot, and my wife, when we would hang out, we'd watch a lot of hunting videos or like fishing videos or whatever, and I still do it to this day at home, and she's like, Oh, that's all you really watch is hunting and fishing videos. Why don't you start doing them? I'm like, hmm, why not? And there, and you can you can kind of just for those that want to see Blue Hand Outdoors on Instagram and TikTok, you can look at my page and see. I do have a little bit of a personality when it comes to things, so I try to keep it fun and loose and have fun with it, and then just from doing the videos and all that, I was like, Well, what's the next logical thing? Well, that's everybody's doing a podcast, so let's do a podcast, right? So I'm trying to keep it not different, but I wanna kind of like how Meat Eater does theirs, like have a little bit of everything on the podcast, if that makes sense, but just have it all back to the outdoors world somehow, some way.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

I I I absolutely love that. Like, that's kind of what I mean. Like you said, one first of all, everyone is doing podcasts. I mean right, it's it's a thing to do, which you know, I I do love seeing people do it, like it's it's great.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

I mean, it's it's great for for clubs and getting other people on, and oh yeah, and I like I love talking to people like how we're talking and getting different information, stories, and different. I mean, granted, we're kind of like the same area of the country, but some guys that I've talked to on my show from like Georgia, Nebraska, yeah, Mississippi, just hearing how they hunt in those kind of areas of the country is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Yeah, no, I I I agree. Um, you know, I've I've made a lot of great relationships all over the country now. Like I said, we we do events and you know stuff like that, but podcasting has become the it's the new wave, it's it's been going on, you know. We've been five years strong. Everyone, you know, all the people who who know us, they they know that now with with two shows and everything like that. But we've kind of gone through that like meat eater, I think, has been a lot of people's like goal, starting place and goal. And you know, that's where I got into like the idea in mind was during during COVID. I was like, Well, why don't we do this before like everyone else starts jumping on on doing that?

SPEAKER_01 41:34

And and not to cut you off, but covet's kind of when everything kind of had that resurgence back into hunting and fishing. Everybody's like, Oh, let me go get my own food because then one knows what's gonna happen to the world.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

A hundred a hundred percent, and you know, a big part of that is meteor. Like, I I got doctors at at work and everything, like, yeah, like you know that show meat eater. And I'm like, Oh yeah, of course I know that show meat eater. Like, they watch the Netflix series, they watch, they listen to the YouTube, yeah, or they're the YouTube, the pot, everything like that. And he does a very obviously phenomenal job at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Oh, yeah, Steve's a very knowledgeable guy.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

So he yeah, every I think everyone, you know, gives homage to to him and everything that when it comes to podcasting, like and then of course, and you know, all the other shows like the hunting public, they came out with their podcasts. Like, I think it's just kind of the thing to do when now when you're when you have the brand and when you're you're creating something, it's also right.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

It just keeps it all just rolls into one again. It's like you have the podcast, you have merch, you have this, you have that.

Future Guests Dream Hunts Turkey Obsession

SPEAKER_00 42:33

Yeah, yeah. Which it's a lot, it and it's a grind, and it's a whole different type of grind. Now you're it's a never-ending grind. So hunting is just like a never-ending thing for for us and everyone who's doing it serious, but you guys from the Marsh Boys to to you know, Alex from Buck Down and like a lot of our our guys that we're we're really close with and everything like that. But um, yeah, it it's great to see, and we're we're really looking forward to to seeing more from from you guys and everything like that. Um, you know, what what has been, you know, obviously besides connecting, like what's been one of your other like something that you didn't expect to happen when you created the the podcast? Like, what was something like oh like you know you had no expectation to, and then it it just popped up like oh my god, like this is so cool.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

So honestly, some of the guests that I'm gonna have on here the next couple months as we roll through summer. So I have um a couple I don't want to name drop and like spoil it, but do you have somebody from Me Eater coming on? Do you I think I know who I think I know who it is. Do you have um here take a guess and I'll say yes or no?

SPEAKER_00 43:48

Uh what's face? Uh the guy that was either just on Marsh Boys, um, I forgot his name. Um Damn, what the hell is it? Um Yeah. Nope. Stanfield. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

But it is a waterfowl guy.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Oh, okay. All right. So then maybe I don't don't know who who it is.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

But um having him on. This summer I want to get into spear fishing, so I'm having a couple spear fishing guy, like big big time spear fishing guys on, which I'm excited about and gonna pick their brain about. Um yeah, just and then I got a couple uh international people that want to come on, like talk about uh some honey in Africa. Uh I'm trying the guy I'm trying to have on. Talk about uh Marco Polo sheep in Kazakhstan. Oh wow, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

I that's pretty that's really unique. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Yeah, what um I have a friend of mine that we're gonna talk uh athletes in wild game and that kind of thing as a coach at down at Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

Okay, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

I'm excited for that one.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

That's great. I I yeah, I absolutely love that. And I and I also that's another thing, like a pot like people do one get the like, especially us, like the smaller brands and everything. Like, obviously, we're no meat eater and stuff, so they get the but it's like one, it's so cool of like a lot of the podcasts. Like we get the same people on, but then we get so many different people because there's so many people to get to, right? And everyone, like you get this one person from Africa. Well, I've had after people on from Africa, but they're not gonna be the same. Like, then you maybe you know, from all different backgrounds, like, yeah, you people do get the same, but I love when also shows get completely different. People, it's like, oh, like, cool, like this is another aspect of right of Africa, or you know, spearfisher, like that. That's so that's so cool. Like, I I kind of try to do that and look into that, but the more I've talked about Africa, I had no interest in African hunting. I will not say that.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

As soon as I started this and got a few guys from Africa to hit me up, uh hit me up and like want to do some stuff, I've just had a burning desire to get there.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

The the interest to Africa and then talking to these people and and like like I knew it was never about trophy hunting, like I I I've always known that, but always here the confirmation and and things like that is completely like it's like all right, like this is amazing, like this is this is something that I would be so proud of doing, and yeah, there's a lot of people who disagree, but you know what? At the end of the day, the meat goes to the the villages, like this is what pays a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

And and that's that's kind of what was a big selling point for me when I was talking to people. They were like, Oh, yeah, like the only thing you really take back is the truth the trophy aspect. I'm like, and I was kind of like, huh? But then as they got into it, they're like, Yeah, you know, like we get like we'll cook for you in camp, so you can say you've tried it, but we give the meat to the villages and as kind of like a thank you for letting them have outsiders come in, and yeah, that symbiotic relationship. I was like, Oh wow, that's awesome!

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Yeah, yeah, and it makes sense because you can also hunt a lot of animals while you're there. I think like my buddies, they went over there, they were like almost every day they're killing like a different animal and they get to try it every night, and they said the food was phenomenal, and then boom, it's it's given to the villages, and it which makes sense too to bring all that meat home, like it's a lot, it's a lot of money, so like, yes, that and there's also the chance of spoilage, yes, that that too, and I know there's a lot of laws and regulations and and everything like that. So instead of wasting all that meat, like give it to the people who really need it, and you know, I I always say, like, people always like, oh, well, are you trophy hunting? And I go, No, I don't call it trophy, but it's like they're like, Oh, so like what do you do with the antlers? I'm like, Don't get don't get me wrong. Am I mounting something? Yes, but that's not like that's not the whole aspect of it. No, that that's not like yes, it's it's the second part, like, oh, it's great to get all that meat or or do whatever conservation, wherever the case is, get the hide, anything done. That's the second prize that you get. Like, it's a it's a bonus. Like shooting a big buck, like at the end of the day, I still get all that meat, and I'm gonna keep all that meat, and I'm gonna eat that deer and everything like that. You know, having having a big, you know, big buck and everything like that's that's the bonus. Like, that's the part that's like, all right, cool. Hey, this deer that we're eating, this is this is him right here, or you know, whatever the case where it's like I don't trophy hunting to me, the only time it would be trophy hunting is if literally like it's just and you know, people may not agree, but like some rich prick who doesn't really enjoy hunting at all, just wants to go get off by just killing something, and and that's really it, but has no idea what to do with hunting and everything like that, just has the money to go do it. Like to me, that's no, that's not hunting, that's not at all. Like what we do, we take it, it's it's just a whole different level, you know, and it's not a you know a pissing competition to see that I'm an alpha because I killed a lion. Yes, I would love to go kill a lion. Don't get me wrong. I I used to never want that, but then yet again, doing all the research and everything like that has gotten me to the point where it's like, all right, like I think I'm comfortable enough with going to do this, um, you know, especially in a place where if it's going to help the the villages and everything like that, like I yeah, I have no issues with with doing that at all.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Oh yeah. I mean, like my whole biggest thing is like while a lot of people as and is kind of like because from dating my wife and interacting with some of her friends, not to throw shade on Jersey, but a lot of people in Jersey are you could throw shade on Jersey, don't we? I do it all, we do it all the time, or or or or cityized, so to say, or more not as rural as we are, so to speak. I'm trying to say it's the nice way possible without offending anybody. But um they were like, Well, why do you go? They kind of had the whole, oh, you go kill innocent animals, or you this and that, like, well, yes and no, it's a conservation aspect. I don't just kill them and leave them out there, I bring them home, I process, I make the meat out of them, and on top of all that, my biggest point to people, and if anybody has an argument against me or with me for hunting, I'm like, okay, name something that you can go in God's grocery store, get the most organic, all natural food you can get. You go and you not just the sun rises and the sun sets, but also in the moments where it's just sitting still, you're in God's canvas as He's making the artwork for you. Yeah, like how how how can you argue against that?

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Yeah, no, I I 100% agree. And it mentally it's it's great for you, physically, it's great for you. The the benefits just there's just so many benefits like to to what we do and everything like that. Um, but um a few more questions that you know I got for you and everything like that is you know, in the next five years, like what is what is one of your goals in in the next five years for for Blue Hen Outdoors?

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Just keep growing. I mean, um right now I have a son getting ready to come any day now.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

No, congratulations!

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Thank you. So I know that's gonna be kind of like putting a little put a little bit of brakes on things, but yeah, I want to try to get it and grow it as much as I can. And I also want to have this, even if it dies off, I want to have it for my son to be like, hey, look, I made these connections, I made these friends, I've done this and that, and I love it. Kind of like have it be a help him have a catalyst to get into it. Not saying that I'm gonna be big and famous for like meat eater at any point. Is that the goal? Is it gonna happen? Who knows? But that's the dream. That's why I tell people that's the dream, right? But to have maybe my son see me in that light, and uh be like, oh, my dad did this, and him watch those videos of like the THP guys or Meat Eater or whoever else you want to say, and then him be like, Oh, well, my dad's like them guys, he does videos and podcasts and this and that. So why can't I go do it? You know, like that's kind of like what made me want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

I love it. I love that. And it's yeah, the it's family first. I mean, this and that's another thing. Hunting and fishing, the outdoors, it's a lot, it's all family oriented. Like at the end, yes, you do you do stuff by yourself, but like the memories that you make, and it's just it's absolutely unbelievable. Um what it what is your dream hunt? If you can go on any hunt, what would it be?

SPEAKER_01 53:16

You're killing me.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Money's not an option two weeks. It's our biggest question on the show.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Money's not an option two weeks. I'd have to say can I give a couple answers? Because I got a couple. I'd have to say Africa. Africa's definitely on the list, and I'm doing the date the dangerous seven or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

Um I've I've been given this opportunity, and these are all opportunities I've been given, and like I would love to take two. Um waterfowl hunting in South America, that's on the list. That's a cool one. And I recently got invited to go do that, so I have to see logistics on that. But that's cool. That that'd be awesome to go do. And then uh Hawaii, just Hawaii. 'Cause cause because turkey hunting, fishing, spear fishing, and just bow hunting in general, you're bow hunting in the grocery store. I mean, everything out there is feral pigs, feral cows, feral chickens, feral sheep. That I mean that's pretty cool to do.

SPEAKER_00 54:33

That is I I love that. Yeah, then Hawaii is the one that you don't hear too many people talk about at all.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

No, but Hawaii is definitely on the list.

SPEAKER_00 54:44

Um and then, you know, one one thing I definitely want to, you know, with this show and everything like Chase the Unknown, like what is when you hear Chase the Unknown, what what does that mean to you to you for in a hunting aspect?

SPEAKER_01 54:59

I mean, that's pretty that I mean that kind of when I hear that, that just sums up what I do as a hunter, you know what I mean? I mean, that's that's that's all we do. That's what drives us to keep doing it. It's like, okay, you go see a buck, but it's like you keep going after him, you never know when you're gonna come back, you know. So is that unknown? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Yeah, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

But like like just that that statement in itself, chasing the unknown for a hunter is what keeps them going, in my opinion. Like that's just that is a summary of a hunter's drive, essentially.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Agreed. Now, one big question I have for you, you know, you're you're a waterfowl hunter, then you're you're a bow hunter too. You you do all these things. Like, if you can only pick one though, from waterfowl to turkeys to deer, to what would it be? Would it be waterfowl? Would it be deer?

SPEAKER_01 55:53

Oh turkey hunt.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Turkey, oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

I'm I'm a turkey fiend. I I go every weekend I can. If I can get a turkey trip in the year, I will take it. I I ever since I started turkey hunting three or four years ago now, from just seeing the first gobbler come in at 120 yards, hearing him, seeing him strut, I've just been hooked ever since.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

I love I love that. I wasn't expecting that answer. I really wasn't. I I love that. Um well you know when what's your experience? Like, real quick before we we get going or anything, like for for turkey hunting, like you what has been your your biggest heartache that's so far been with honey, uh turkey hunting? Because I think there's a lot more heartache with turkey hunting, as right now, where I am with just my knowledge of turkeys and you know being a rookie when it comes to to turkeys and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

The heartache, the the biggest heartache for me is not getting one. Me too. Like it, like, like you like it feels like you can do everything right, but you don't get one. But but uh but but on a note to that, any day I'm in the turkey woods and I hear a turkey gobble is a good day for me.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

I agree. That's uh it's and I think that just goes also in general with hunting. Like my aspect of of success when I go out into the woods is you know what the target animal I'm going for, like if I see animals, you know, if I see deer, if I see turkey, if I see whatever it is, like that's a success, especially like what I do is I do a lot of hanging hunts, and like as a turkey hunter, I'm also a a turkey hunter who just uh run and gun all over the place. Like that's that's my style of of hunting. So like if I can get on birds, you know, if I could see birds, like that means a lot to me, and that's the that's the most important thing to me. And then killing the whole killing part that comes after, like, then that's another um success and accomplishment after after that.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

See, as much as I want to kill a turkey, because I have because I personally haven't gotten one yet. I mean it's been three. Damn, don't worry, we're in the same boat. But it it comes with time, you know, and three or four years, you gotta learn when you start. But the biggest thing that I like is seeing how close I can get to him, or how on top of him I can get without him knowing.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

Before he knows I'm there and makes a move, you know what I mean? If that makes sense. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

No, it a hundred percent does.

SPEAKER_01 58:41

Like, like it makes like it makes me feel like okay, I'm of an apex predator that I think I am when it comes to hunting. To trick a turkey and get that close to him.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Agreed, absolutely agreed, and they're hard, they're difficult. Like deer are very curious animals versus turkey. They don't they don't do the curiosity like deer do. No, getting close to them are is completely is a completely different game. Um, you know, so I absolutely love it.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Now, you know, and and with turkeys, sound scares them, they don't want to go towards it or get curious with like some deer do. They're like, Oh, maybe it's a deer walking, or oh, maybe it's a squirrel. No, they hear something, they're they're gone.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

They they are gone. Those little legs are going. I love the way they run. Like, that's one of my favorite things. Like, when they run, like I am cracking up, but you know, it's it's oh it's it's a challenge that's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

Uh-huh. Well, it was funny by one friend that I mentioned that I took out deer hunting for the first time and saw how bad he wanted it. I took him last year down to South Carolina and I didn't shoot because I wanted him to have the opportunity being a trip and everything to go get a bird and have the cool story and everything. But um, no, it was funny. So we went down and he he whiffed twice, but anyway, happens. One of the times he whiffed, the bird got up and flew away. He he literally turned and looked at me, he's like, Bird, turkeys fly. I'm like, what? Yes, they fly.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

Yeah, yes, they do, and people like people who don't know honey, like especially like they're like, Oh, I didn't know turkeys fly. I'm like, Yeah, they do. I they're not gonna fly for long, but they no, but they don't fly enough to get up into the tree, yeah. Yeah, um, you know, I absolutely love that that you've been able to come on today.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Um, I appreciate the opportunity and thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Of course. Any any other last words before we get going?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

No, if uh anybody wants to uh holler at me or see any more of my content or check out my uh podcast, Blue Hen Outdoors on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, Prime, and then Blue Hen Outdoors on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube to see videos if you want to check them out.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

Yeah, no, definitely. And the link is going to be down in the description below. Listen, one thing we definitely because now I know where you I'm gonna be hitting you up when I when I go to Delaware and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Because you you said you're a big bear guy, and I tried to get on a bear last year.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

Oh, listen.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

So come down. So if you can put me on a bear, I can help you out with some stuff down here.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Hell yeah. No, we um I'll let you know because we're gonna be doing bear camp and everything like that. We'll be camping out. I'm I'm telling the the marsh boys to come too. I I've I've talked to them about it and everything like that. So we might have a big, hopefully, we have a decent good number. But yeah, we'll be out all week.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

So I'd be down to come up for bear camp.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Yeah, definitely. So I'll I'll keep you updated and everything like that. Um, like I said, everyone, make sure you go check them out. Everyone, I hope you guys enjoy this episode, and we'll see you guys next time.