The Quiet Moment That Hooks You

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Every hunter has a moment when the woods go quiet, the air shifts, and time slows down. And in that stillness you realize you're not chasing big games. You're chasing something bigger. Welcome to the chase the unknown ages, where we go beyond the saddle past the show cameras, and deep into the stories that fuel the fires. The show is for the ones who sleep over the rut, who hike miles into the public land for just the chance, and who live for that silence before the shots, from the back country to the back roads. We sit down with hunters and trappers, with the relentless stories, we live for the thrill, embrace the unknown, and return with the stories we're telling. This is more than a podcast. This is the start of something real. Let's chase it. Boys, boys, boys. Welcome back to the Chase the Unknown. We are bringing you guys the round table segment. We got our guy, Brian, from Marsh Boys. We got your guy, the squatch from both Boondocks Hunting and Whitetail Advantage. We got some guy named Brett. I don't even know who he is. I think he likes runs some podcasts. Uh, I don't even know. Squatch, who who is this guy? Why'd you invite him?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Um, well, it's Pride Month, so we just thought we'd have Brett on in honor of that whole coalition of hosts that venture out.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

So you guys are an inclusive show.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

Well, Brett, I'm very excited to to have you here, you know, during during your month. I know getting you on the schedule is pretty hard. I'm pretty sure you were in PA yesterday at the gay pride parade, and you know, you you made it all the way back home. So uh welcome, welcome back.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Thank you. Yeah, it's it's my special month, it's my favorite month. I'm constantly traveling across the country, um, spreading the word and uh making sure everyone's understanding and accepting. And uh yeah, I I took some time out of my my busy schedule for this month to come on your show and looking forward to it, talking about whatever you want to talk about. I'm opening.

Must Have Gear And Weird Rituals

SPEAKER_04 2:27

I love it, I love it. Well, guys, we're we're gonna jump right into this. You know, I I I love doing the round table segment. We got some good questions that that we're gonna be discussing discuss uh discussing and everything like that. So why don't we jump right into it? I mean, um, you know, we're gonna start off real simple, you know, with segment one. Like, what is your your must-have gear? You know, what's the one thing that you never leave uh the truck without besides your bow? Um besides the bow, like not the most common freaking thing. Like, um, you know, it I always obviously like I carry multiple knives, but like I always gotta carry uh you know a specific knife like in my uh in my pocket.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

No, yeah, I understand. I was gonna say, you know, differing a little bit from you guys as a waterfowl hunter, it's my floating gun case. I mean, that means the world to me. Okay, whether you're in a boat, you're in the marsh, you're in a rainy field, like there's nothing I hate more than getting home and having to clean a rusted gun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

That's true. Yeah, that's it is a pain in the butt crit uh cleaning a rusted gun. I definitely know no one likes doing that, especially after like a long day and everything. Like the last thing you want to do is you know, start cleaning and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

I th I think for me, the thing that I most I had to carry, it's it's kind of like my superstition in some way. If I don't when I'm walking out to my stand on opening day, if I don't find a tr uh a turkey feather there, or on my way back, I'm done with the hunt, I have a superstition, I just feel like that season's gonna suck. And if I don't, and if I do end up finding one later on, I gotta carry that with me the entire time. Like I'll put it like in the back, like because I have like a button back on my hat, I'll put it back there and I'm I'm carrying that when I'm walking out to my stand, and that's just part of what I do. It's just my weird little superstition. If I don't find it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

I think mine is uh I always make sure that I have an extra release, you know, on on hand just in case um, you know, a lighter in case I'm up up in the mountains and stuff, I can start a fire if I have to. And um you know the good word, the good word doesn't hurt guys. I always keep a Bible or my Bible app on me. You know, it helps pass the time when you're sitting there waiting for that buck to come in and keeps you educated.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

Now, I I I was gonna ask that, so obviously you do some reading and everything. Anybody else here do some reading, especially on those really long sits where you're gonna be all day. Like I bring books and uh like I'll bring a book or something like that, or I'll have something like on my phone that I'll I'll read, or you know, I'm a big podcast guy. You know, I listen to a lot of podcasts while I'm hunting. Anybody do something like that? And though Squatch just said, you know, he'll bring the Bible and everything like that. Either YouTube bring bring anything like that uh on those all day sits.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Um I I mean I have the Bible app on my phone, and I've never taken my Bible out in the woods with me. Uh I actually just got into reading this year thanks to my fiance. So I'm sure, I'm sure this coming season I'll probably have a book in the stand with me. Um but yeah, uh I'm more or less of a podcast guy. I got one AirPod in, and then that's what I do. Yep, yep. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

I have it on my phone, but I used to what I generally do, I just can't read because my mind's constantly thinking about different millions of different different scenarios when I'm out there in the field. One thing that I gotta do to as soon as I get my stand, I gotta play a quick game of solitary on my phone. It's my little weird way of all right, I'm packed up, ready to start the hunt. I gotta pull my phone out and play solitary because it turns my mind off from work and in like real life that I'm in, and it starts focusing my brain of all right, I gotta move the card here, here, here. All right, lost whatever came over. I'm done. All right, now I'm out in the woods, and kind of like my weird switch of on and off type of deal.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

That's an interesting one. That's that's a really interesting one. Like just how like the first thing you do is you're you're playing game of solitary. Like, after I get set up, that's definitely not the first thing I'm doing. I'm usually taking notes, like I do a lot of note taking, um, just how my hunt. So, like, I like to start off like I'll look at the weather app and everything like that, and I'll I'll go start putting, you know, where I'm in, you know, the date, the time I got in, the location, um, and then I'll start, you know, the temperature, you know, the pressure and everything like that. So I have to get all that done um before like I do anything else because once the deer start moving or doesn't matter, just deer, bear, turkey, fox, whatever it is, like I'm recording everything that I'm taking, the time and which direction, everything like that. So I kind of want to have all that stuff done before I I start to do anything else. So, you know, playing playing the game though, that's that's pretty good. Like, that's a pretty good superstition. That's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah, I've already done that stuff that you've already done, Mike. Like, like that's saying when I get on my stand, like, all right, today was such and such a state. It was this weather, and the wind was coming from here, and I'm gonna be hunting in this stand. And then once I got all that done, then I start walking out to my stand. Then once I get everything backed up, I'm already ready to go, and then play in solitary. And then I start making mental notes after that. Once I start getting my brain to switch over, yeah. I don't know. I I started that um four to five years ago, and it just helped me, like I said, turn that switch off from real life into hunting mode.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

One thing I think we we just hit on all of us, but we we didn't really hit on it was our phones. We don't leave without our phones, we make sure we got our phones, and you know what more that we all check in on each other while we're out. You know, hey, did you see anything yet? Hey, what's going on? Any action? Hey, what's the weather like over there? You know, it's still dark 30, and I'm up here in the stand, I'm taking pictures and like sending them to you, you know, you guys in the group and everything else, and whatever. And you know, we we all touch base, so I think that's a good a good thing to add to that list. Like, you know, we all count on our phones. I mean, especially using on X and stuff or whatever you guys tend to use, you know, but um, you know, marking waypoints. If you're walking out, you're finding scrape lines, or you're you're just posting stuff, you know, like you're you're writing down notes. This could be a good area to to set up a blind or a stand site or little things. So I think I think you know, as much as I hate the phone, I don't want to be attached to a phone, it's also kind of like a damn necessity when you get out there because you know, especially it's opening day. I mean, we're all pumped up, we're all hoping each other knocks that big buck down or gets that big bear or that turkey, and you know, we're just so anxious for each other. I mean, gosh, I know Frank and I have either one of us has been at work and it's like, bro, what's going on? What have you got? Yeah, you know, don't tell me you knocked one down already. No, nothing yet, you know. And you it's nice to be able to reach out and touch base because years ago we didn't have that, we didn't have that at all. So you know, it's I think it's a necessity, not necessarily a necessity, but it's a thing that helps you kind of get through those long sits through that day, you know, and and makes time go by. And I think when you've got an idle mind, it kind of goes back to that uh built-in energy, the anxiousness. Maybe it helps us calm down so the deer actually will come in closer. And that's that's another reason why I just read when I read the Bible, I'm very at peace, I'm I'm relaxed, and I'll tell you, nine times out of ten, I start reading that deer show up, so it's it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Yeah, no, I'll I'll agree with that too. And you know, one more thing that I don't know how I forgot this. I'm a big hat guy, so in my truck, you'll see when especially during hunting season, I have all my killing hats lined up like on the dashboard of my truck. Like, I got my waterfowl hat, I got you know, multiple deer hats that I that I run and I'll rotate like whatever's giving me the juice, and I feel like confident with that's that's the hat. And if I kill something with it, that's gonna be the hat for like the next week or so that I'm gonna be taking with me out into the woods and everything like that until until I feel like the juice runs runs out in that hat, and then I'm like, all right, it's time to pick up a new hat, and I'll I'll pick up a new hat. But um, yeah, I got a I got a bunch of killing hats right on right on the uh right in my truck and everything. I got like seven, I think, hats in in my truck. I'm the nut when it cut I I got issues when it comes to uh to hats and everything like that. So that that's one of my gear that I can't leave, but also one of the superstitions that that I'm running to as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

I had a feeling you liked hats with your wall right there.

Old Reliable Tools Versus New Tech

SPEAKER_04 11:27

Yeah, and that's only like that, yeah. That's not even most of them. Yeah, um yeah, literally. Um, you know, one more, you know, on the the gear topic where you know, right there. Um, you know, anybody got like some an old reliable versus new tech gear? You know, what's something that stood the test of time?

SPEAKER_02 11:51

I'll start out my my 35 Marlin. I I love my 35 Marlin. I've hunted with that for you guys that aren't familiar out there if you're listening. Uh 35 Marlin was made uh years and years ago, back in the 40s. It's a lever action, short action carbine rifle. Um, it's made by a company named Marlin after uh Jim Marlin himself. Um, they have gone out of business and been rebought and retooled by Ruger, and um I I don't think they're as good uh a quality because the original Marlins you just can't beat. But my old man put that gun in my hand when I was uh 15 and I carry it every time I go out. I just love it. But there's new love this year. I got a 4570 government lever action, and that's in a Henry, and we're gonna draw first blood with that puppy this year. So, but I won't forget about the old 35. She's she's the old reliable, and I don't know how much you guys follow me on Instagram, but all the years that I've been on Instagram, I usually take like that buddy picture with my old reliable, and I sit back and I look and I go, Oh my god, I'm 50 years old. I've been carrying this thing since I was 15. Holy crap! It seems like yesterday, but yeah, that's my old reliable man. I I just love that old gun.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Uh mine, mine would have to be my fool's market hunter. It's the oldest call I have. It's it was probably made in the early, early 2000s. I have many other calls that I've used over the years that I love and love and love. But even when I got into competition calling, I went back to that market hunter because I know it so well. Um, that and if I'm on private land, gotta have a couple beers for after the hunt.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

A successful hunt. Successful hunt.

SPEAKER_04 13:45

That's true, that's very true. Um for for me, I I mean I couldn't even couldn't even tell you like obviously one of them's a hat. Um, one of them is one of the killing hats that is absolutely just beat up and destroyed it at this point. But I even though like I want to throw it away because it's so like destroyed and just like now I and I refuse to wash it. I left I left it once in the back of the tailgate, and you know, during a rainstorm, some water got in there and everything like that. And so the thing got all moldy. So all I did was I moved it to my garage and I keep it in there. I'm like, I no matter what, I'm not throwing away this hat. Like this is the OG of my killing hats. Like this thing's staying staying with me. But um, I actually have my original, my first bow I ever ever bought, my old uh PSC, um, I think PSC Stinger. And the plan is to eventually, when I learn how to work on uh bows myself, I eventually want to restring that and take it out for one like one last hunt and try to kill um like a big buck with it. Um, you know, one day, like if I get private property or something like that. Like it that's gonna be like a special type of hunt, or maybe I you know then pass it down to uh to my kids or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

That'd be badass, dude. I personally really don't have anything outside of my old um fingertip release. Uh everything I've kind of gotten out lately is brand new, or at least semi-new at this point in my career. Uh, but I always left my old fingertip release because that's how I started off. Um, hunting was with it. And ever since then, it's always been with me. Now I've got the new UV um button release, and but I've always carried that with me now as a backup in case that one was to break, or in any case of scenario, because I've always practiced with it. I know what I want to do with it, I'm gonna know how I know how it operates. So that just comes in something that's always been the back of my pocket.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

So I like how he said he really doesn't have anything in the name, something that's completely like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

I had um uh the last bow I got on my phase four. I just got that last year, and that's all that's brand new. Yeah, I really have everything else was pretty much bought brand new last year, the year before.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

I I do have one more. It's and I just thought about it. It's always been in my trapping bag because for some odd reason I always lose my dogproof setter. It's a you know, I've only been trapping to two seasons now, but since I started, I have a screwdriver, probably about 14 inches long, flathead screwdriver. And if I happen to lose my trap setter and I'm setting new traps, I I use that. And I've had that since I started trapping.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

All right. I I like that. I like that. Works like a charm. Well, welcome, brother. You you made it you made it just in time. Like you're you're you you made it just in time. I think we only did did two topics, but uh I want to hear, I want to hear what you gotta say on on this one. Um, you know, you got something um old reliable versus new tech. What's something that stood the test of time for you? A piece of equipment? A piece of equipment for myself.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Um To be honest, I know this is I'm probably like behind times here, but like um when I first started hunting all my in-laws or family's property, I would always just go all there and just lock the property and just find time. But then I'm but in mind, actually I never used an example. I never did it. Everything used in there, innan cylinderproduktion, following green, man in hand. Delarna skull avances in the fashion, delay guns in denial. So I learned they they learned a lot, I'm learning a lot, still learning a lot. Um, but yeah, I I strictly go off my lens now, obviously, which I should. Um I don't just go out there to sit because I want to sit because I'm bored or I'm not coaching CrossFit or something like that.

What New Hunters Should Learn First

SPEAKER_04 18:59

I got you on that. Um, you know, and and one more actually on the scare, like if you you for you guys to give a recommendation for a piece of equipment that to somebody who's getting into hunting, like what is something that is like an extremely like important piece of equipment from you know, like me, and I'll I'll give the example because like I know one of you guys might take this. Like, I think having a good pair of boots is like one of the most important things. Um, not only just a new hunter, but any hunter is going to really invest in, like at the end of the day, like especially us on public land and everything like that. When you're in those woods going deep and everything like that, you want a good pair of boots. You you want boots that are gonna keep you warm during during those winter months. Um, I think boots is one of those investments that it's 100% worth it, and something that everyone should really look into a little more than maybe say certain people do.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Would this be something that it's gear related?

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Could be gear, what whatever you want, it doesn't necessarily have to be gear related. I mine was just gear related.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

I would say knowledge. That's what I would say. Like if you're getting into the wood in the hunting, like let's just take hunting in general, not bow hunting specific or gun specific, but read some fucking books, get out there in the field, but read books and learn more about white-tailed deer itself, and the more that knowledge is power, and the more that you can learn about white-tailed deer, and I say white-tailed deer your enemy, but I use it as a term because in my opinion, when you're going out hunting, and you're going out to war in some capacity, how I see it. And in order to win, you gotta kill the deer, so you gotta know everything about them. So I gotta put meat in the freezer. How do I beat deer on their own turf? I gotta know everything there is about them and know them in and out. So if I know deer themselves, I know how they're operating day after day, month to month, year to year, I know their biology, I know my property, I know this and that, and I'm just out there. I would just say study, study, study. That's that's what I would say.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

I I like that. I like that you said it's like going to war because it it literally is like it's it's you have to get into the mindset of of these animals. You have to, you know, you look at what people do in the military and everything like that. Like, besides us getting shot at, it's we we're doing a lot of the a lot of the same things, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

And yeah, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say, uh, yeah, it's in order to win, you gotta put meat in the freezer. So, what do you gotta do? You gotta game plan. We're doing this months out, months out in advance, and that's what the military does. And what I was always trained in in law enforcement was know your enemy and you'll you'll succeed, and you have to prepare and and and Practice in real life situations. So in the offseason, I'm practicing Wolf a Deer comes from this type of situation and constantly think about a million different situations. Even when I'm out there in the stand, think about a million different situations that could come about. So that's something that I always preach to new hunters when they ask me questions, and something I preach on the show is study, study, study, practice, practice, practice. But you also gotta think different scenarios because you're going out there and you gotta win. Yeah, that's I can go on and on about that, but that's a quick portion of it.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

I mean, I think what I would say, adding on to that if I can, is that uh to answer that question too would be knowledge of your equipment, know your equipment inside and out, know how a safety works, know how to look beyond your target, you know, and what you intend to kill, know what's ahead of you as far as getting that animal out of the woods, how far of a drag is it gonna be, how you prepare yourself to do all that, whether you're packing it out or dragging it out, and then your preparations after that. But you know, it all goes in hand in hand, kind of like what Brett was saying. You're your the education of learning the animal that you're after, how to you know outsmart them, how to how to outwit their noses, and just know your equipment, practice with your equipment. I don't know how many people, I don't know how many people over the years that I've seen, and they they they don't even know how to like load their weapon the right way, you know, and it's like it you just sit there and you're like and you want to go hunting, really? You know, you don't know what you're even doing with a gun in your hand. I mean, how much did you go to the range and practice shooting offhand versus shooting off a bench? I mean, we don't have a I mean in my hunting blind, yes, I do have a window that I can rest on and I can take a shot, but 90% of the time you're shooting offhand. But what do you do when you go to the range? You're shooting off a bench. What the hell good is that? It's not teaching you anything. So you got to be proficient in the weaponry that you're using, you know. Know that you could draw that arrow back, and maybe your arrow might make a slight swishy sound on your rest, or you know, maybe you got a quiver that vibrates a little bit. Learn to silence those things when you're at home practicing. You know, knowing your equipment is gonna make you a more proficient hunter, and you know, it touches back even to what Mike says a good pair of boots. You can't stay in the woods if you're uncomfortable, guys. It doesn't work. So, you know, these are things that you sit and think about, and you know, like I took up saddle hunting, so I had to rush, I had to learn, I had to you know, learn along the ways. I'm better under pressure when I'm out in the woods. I just learn. So you know, but take the time, practice. Know what your eight, your your eighters are doing when you're you're setting yourself up. You can slide back, you can move forward. I mean, setting yourself up to hang your pack, picturing yourself having, like Brett said, having to take that shot at a different angle, or maybe to your weak side. Practice these things, it's all about educating yourself. Uh talk to other hunters, sit it on podcasts like this, listen when you're working, or you're you got a couple of minutes. You know, the subconscious mind will absorb a lot, even if you're busy doing something. If you hear something and you're talking, people are talking about it, you'll just automatically pick up on it, or you may remember a tip that somebody said about something. And I think that's important, that's a real key thing, especially nowadays. Uh you have to pay attention, you have to learn from your mistakes. And the the biggest thing is, like I said, it goes back to that equipment, knowing your equipment, practicing proficiently with your equipment, and then when you make that kill and that animal goes down, really that's your most rewarding moment with all the stuff, all the time that you put together, you know, making your arrows and tuning your bow and making sure you could take the freaking heart out of a deer at 40-45 yards without even blinking an eye because that muscle memory comes back like that. Why? Because you practice and you put the time in.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

So to go to have you ever seen that shot with Michael Jordan where he's talking to McMichumbo or McCumbo, he goes, McCumbo, this shot's for you, and he shoots the free throw blinded. Um, he's blinded where he shuts both his eyes. Yeah, muscle memory.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

So just to kind of call for that.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

To jump off of both of you, um, you know, as a waterfowler, I I think the most critical part is knowing your equipment and what your equipment can handle. Um, like you guys have talked about uh Onyx, I use Hunt Stand. There's another app that I also use, it's called Gnawtide. There is thousands of GPS coordinates all over the East Coast, especially in New Jersey, Maryland, New York, all the everywhere. Um know the wind, know the direction the wind's coming in, know what your boat can handle, and know the area you're boating in. I I know, especially this year and part of last year, we did a lot of open water hunting. So we're not hunting, you know, 20 foot long or 20-foot-wide ditches that we know are 15, 18 foot deep or eight foot deep, whatever it is. We're hunting open bays where at any given point that those sandbars could have shifted, and now at low tide, we're not gonna get through somewhere where we're gonna we could have got through a month ago. You know, I see it all the time out there like that. Um, you know, I've I've heard so many horror stories of guys getting stranded. You know, just this this past year, I know a guy that got stranded had the Coast Guard come in. It was a really, really scary ordeal. Don't be one of those guys. And I know it's so easy to take your boat out, you know, down to the shore uh to go striper fishing, flounder fishing, whatever is in the back bays in the summertime, where yeah, if the wind picks up, you're gonna take on three foot swells. You know, my little 16 John boat in the summertime, I can run through three foot rollers. Why? Because the water's warm, it don't bother you. In the wintertime, you hit those three-foot rollers. Now your entire boat's gonna be covered in ice, you're gonna be covered in ice, and that 20-minute boat ride is gonna feel like three hours and is gonna be a race because you didn't prepare well, and now your body can't handle it. Life jackets, obviously, New Jersey made the law this past year from November 1st. I think it's November 1st to May 1st. You have to wear a life jacket while operating a motorcraft, whether it be a jet ski, John boat, big boat, whatever it is, everybody on board, which is I think is a great thing. Um, but yeah, know your weather, where you're going. Even if you're walking into a spot, you don't want to walk you know a mile into a into a small pond and there's gonna be two foot of snow. Not that I think we'll see that in the future in Jersey, but um just I mean it's it's super crucial with the water foul deal because that water is a literal life changer.

Gimmicks Or Game Changers In The Field

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Yeah, yeah. Anyone anyone else on on that topic? All right, we can we can move on. Um, you know, one one thing, uh, another topic is is gimmicks or game changer? Is there anything that you guys have used um that you know maybe you you see it's something that's not necessarily or something or it's like oh shit, that that's not good, you know, that's just stupid. Why would why would I get it? But you buy it anyway, and it actually turns out to be you really useful. Is there anything out there like Ozonics? I've heard great things about Ozonics. Um, you know, I I know some of their things, I a hundred percent understand how it works. Like, you know, when you're talking about their bags and everything like that, and you can use the Osonic Ozonics system. I've never been a big believer in the Ozonix one that you put up with you in the tree and everything like that. If your wind swirls up and like it's to me, I don't see how it would work. Um, so that would probably be one of mine. I imagine there's plenty of people out there that would say um that's not true at all, but you know what I mean. Ozonix um would be one of mine with the one that you use in the tree and everything like that. That's something that I just I don't I don't see how you would have to have a perfect day, perfect wind, and every and everything like that for it to to work, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

No, that I have one. Oh, I'm sorry, Squatch.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

No, go ahead, buddy.

unknown 30:27

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

I there's a lot of procs out there, but I can't remember which one there was, but that was on my mind, and it was like that just seems like a load of shit. But Oxonics was the other one where I was like, that just seems like a bunch of crap. It just seems like really you're gonna just put I don't know. I just I think most of that stuff out there in some ways just for you to spend money on their stuff and for them to make product money and for them to get rich type deal. I in my opinion, I have my own personal beliefs on scent itself, and to buy that product, I would never spend my money on that. That's one thing for sure. I wouldn't I wouldn't do if one as soon as I think of the product I'm gonna say it, but I can't think of it right now. Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

I'm sorry. So that's helpful. So two things that I I learned this year was uh Ratgetter Scents has a scent that's called hot the hot the trot. And you know, as I've used a lot of scents over the years, you know, all the big brand name ones Black Widow, Tinks, you know, uh Code Blue. I I've used just about everything under the sun. I've had a mild success with what I've used over the years, but uh I really like Gerard's products, you know, and it's not this isn't like a shameless plug out to him or anything, but I am on the field staff with him, and I did try a little bit of everything, and I've really come to notice the guy pays attention to what he's making. And I had an eight-point buck, a mature buck, running a dough, came in from the same direction. I walked into my two-man stand, and he broke off a live hot dough to run down the trail that I sprayed with that hot to trot. And I can't I can't tell you, and my other bucks that came down my trails, same same kind of scenario, spraying as I walk in. And I gotta tell you, it's not a gimmick, it's not a freaking gimmick. The stuff works, it really works. And the second one that I swear by is scent assassin. Now, believe you me, out of all the years I've been doing this, you're never ever ever gonna freaking confuse a deer as far as human scent. You can do everything under the sun. I mean, I stop washing with any kind of scented soap in August. Same hair. I do not wash my hair with like scented soap. I go pure, just plain Jane that that you know, descent stuff, and I wash my body with it to get the stuff off of me. You have to shower in the morning, especially me. I mean, I got all this hair on my face, it holds a lot of smells, right? You're never gonna beat, you're never gonna beat a deer. They're gonna smell your breath, they're gonna smell what you're doing. But any little thing helps, and I use Scent Assassin's Earth Cover Sent, especially in the early season, and I can tell you, I've got pictures to prove it. I've had the wind at my back, the deer have been standing right there, even out away from me, not just something right in my scent cone, further out where it can lay down. And I've been in the stand five, six hours. Dude, I'm telling you, the stuff works, and if it didn't work, I wouldn't use it. Um, Jimmy George is a great guy. He he uh he really like you know, he's a genuine dude, he likes your post, he doesn't ghost you. Um just a great product, man. I I and you know, you think they're gimmicks? Ah, hell, but I tell you, out of everything I've been using the longest, it's his Earth scent. And I I swear by it, that's the first thing my clothes could douse. I douse it in that. I air them out outside, and I'm good for the season, man. I just I I believe in that stuff 110, man.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Yeah, I definitely I I can definitely second second that and that squatch because I I'm also partisan in that and I use the unscented, not the dirt, the unscented. And I've had situations last year, the wind had my back, and I mean not just the light wind, I had wind coming hard at my back, and those deer had no idea I was even there at all. And I'm not just saying that because I'm part of the I think I'm saying because like like Squad was saying, the shit works, like this stuff actually freaking works.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

Yeah, I I think um you know for me, I don't the only thing I use from Scent Assassins is um to wash my clothes and everything like that. Um, but Gerard also from from Racketer, he has the same, he has a dirt spray, he has um you know unscented spray. So like I use those. Uh I think a lot of the companies now, and you know, Gerard's my guy, I've been using, I've been with him, you know, for for so long now, really good friends. Like we were literally talking earlier. You know, I I think you just where the industry comes, like Gerard to me, and like just like Squatch said, like, he really pays attention. Like, you look at just all the products, the whole line of products, you know, they are just phenomenal. The work that he goes, and then also like what I love about Gerard too is like you he takes our recommendations in there. He like, if you come up with something like hey, you know, I need I need this, and like what do you think about this? Is like, all right, let me let me go see, I'm gonna make you a bottle, right? And he he'll make stuff specially for you know, for people and everything like that. You know, you just you know, I I know a bunch of us that have said they we want specific stuff, like some of his bear, his bear stuff is absolutely phenomenal. Oh, I absolutely love his his bear stuff and everything like that, but um, like I said, for Sun Assassins, like I use their laundry detergent and everything like that. Um, and I I I'll get the the spray and I use his body, uh, his body soaps and and everything like that. Because I think it's like Squatch, you're not gonna fool a deer. You're at this point, we're just trying to slowly maybe confuse them a little bit, you know what I mean? And also I think it's it's part of what we're talking about earlier. It's you know, it's it's what we do now. Like it, it's like you start the season, like, all right, no more bathing and scent. Like, Bianca will tell me, like, I I just I stop everything. Like during the offseason, I I will put on the girliest stuff. So I don't care. Like, like, all right, Bianca will do a face mask on me. I'm like, we let's go. Do the she has these um shit. What the Bianca, what what is it called that that you have that I be rubbing on myself?

SPEAKER_03 37:05

Squats we're getting back to the LGBTQ talks here.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

The body scrub, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pride months. I mean, he's all right, you know. Yeah, all right. It it's it's the time to talk about it. Uh, you know, the body scrub, like I but once like August hits, all that goes out the window. I'm living like a basically caveman just taking regular showers with plain old you know, soap from from Sen Assassins, everything like that. And I'll say also one product I definitely believe in that I didn't find out until we had him on um was Mike um and he runs Hex. So um obviously it's it's one of the companies that we're with, but we had Mike on the show, and you know, and whoever hasn't listened to that episode, I first of all I go highly recommend that because this Hex suit is absolutely amazing. So basically, the suit cuts down our electrical input that we're putting out there. Everyone knows that all living species do put out you know electro electrical impulse of whatever whatever the hell it's called. And I'll tell you, I've had animals walking on top of me when I'm when I'm hunting from the ground. I've been you know close to big bucks where it's like they're not. I think I got spotted out of the tree, I think, once this year, once still doing the same stuff of moving and everything like that. I think I got spotted out there once. And when I was at Kill My Buck, shout out to Rack Edder, he caught that um that hot trot, but I was able to to move and everything like that. And the deer was coming head on when I was able to draw back. Now, I'm not saying it's it's a hundred percent like it could have been that I was high enough where, but the stuff does help, it especially helps with birds hunting turkeys and everything like that. I really want to test it out for waterfall, but not enough of the guys that we go with have it, so it wouldn't really be useful for me to do it or anything like that. But hex is one of those things that definitely does does work, and I definitely do believe in.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Yeah, I got a big one as far as the gimmicks go. And now in in the early 2000s, this was definitely not a gimmick. It was probably the most revolutionary decoy that ever hit the market, is and I'm not just talking brand specific. Nowadays, the spin wing. Um, I am not a fan of a spin wing decoy whatsoever. I have one. The only exception to that is hunting tight hole like wood duck holes, where they're only gonna see a glimpse of it. In my opinion, personal opinion, I am going to grab the uh some people call them a wobbler vibrator, the rippler decoys. I'm gonna grab the um Hidgeon makes them the Hidgin Splasher every single time over a spin wing. I've just had way too many instances where birds have flared off of them. Uh geese, especially, you know, if if you are lucky enough and have a field where you can hunt ducks, you're you're not gonna kill geese with a spin wing going in the field. I mean, even guys out west know that. That's why they have the remotes for them now. Um the uh like I said, wood ducks are kind of the only exception just because, you know, where I hunt wood ducks, it's a three-foot-wide stream and they're gonna be coming 60 mile an hour down, hitting the brakes for five seconds. You know, it doesn't really matter too much. You just you need that to catch their eye. Um, on the flip side, to talk about what you guys are talking about. I I I've never, you know, that's something I I've never really taken into consideration was was sent. Um I've always just watched my wind. Uh, you know, I'm sure it's it plays a huge part in it. I'm not the most avid deer hunter in the world. I go out, I shoot my buck every year, and you know, that's kind of what I do. I hunt the same spot year in, year out. I know what the wind's gonna do. I know what direction I'm not even gonna get in my truck for in the morning. Um, you know, nine times out of ten, I'm not really chasing a five, six, seven-year-old deer. I've killed one over five. Uh, but yeah, you know, I that's that's just something I don't do. I'm not saying don't do it, but that's just something I don't do. You're a big waterfowl guy. Yeah. That's just a good thing ducks don't have noses.

SPEAKER_04 41:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ducks and turkeys.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Ducks and turkeys, we eat too many little Debbie's in the in the blind.

The Wrong Wind Problem And Hard Choices

SPEAKER_04 41:25

So for for for this next part, I want to get in some scenarios with you guys and everything like that. I love hunting. I talk about hunting scenarios. Um, you know, for for somebody who, especially for for people who who are newer and everything like that, and just looking for experience, you know, you got a giant pattern, but the wind's wrong. Well, what you know, what is something that you're gonna do? Is there is there something that is there any way you can counteract that? And I I know wind is almost anything, but does it depend on the property? Is there any way, you know, you guys have properties or give some input where somebody still wants to get out? What is something that they can still do, or maybe even have a shot at at getting that buck with even the wrong wind?

SPEAKER_02 42:14

I'll go first. Um if I have I I typically the the deer that I'll target are are four and a half and above. Um doesn't mean I won't shoot a younger buck, but the best advice I can give you in all the years I've been out is if the wind's not right and it's let's say it's October, the rut maybe just starting to like fire up, the best advice I can do to tell you is get the hell out of there. Don't let them learn you. Um if you can get a better wind situation, I'll break down a piece of property, so you know it's year after year after year. When I'm sitting there, I'm I'm hunting these these same places, so you learn them pretty good. Um here is a prevailing wind mostly from the west. Uh during that time of the year, sometimes you'll get a northwest as a dominant wind. So, you know, your stand setup is crucial. If you have a buck that's moving on your cameras or whatever, and you see them, and the wind's not in your favor, just get the hell out of there. Don't go to it, go to another piece of land. You know, if you can you can free yourself up, go hunt another piece of land that day. You're you're better off because they will pattern you faster than you can pattern them, and it takes an inkling of human scent and they're gone. And they'll take a week, a week and a half that they're moseying around through somebody else's adjoining property where they can catch an arrow or a bullet, and you're gonna cry because somebody else got your buck. And that's why I say don't don't risk it. A mature Buck is one of the smartest animals out there. You have to have all the right. I mean, I killed a buck two years ago. I stayed away from the stand. I had my cameras there. My cameras are out all year. And I knew he was there. And I was like, nope, nope, I'm not going there yet. Nope. The wind's right. I'm not going there yet. You know, when I was started to move into that spot and I killed him, I saw a buck starting to chase those. I was I worked for a highway department. I was out on the roads. I seen a deer running. I said, Man, when I get home, now's the time to move into that spot. Why? Because that buck was comfortable where he lived. He's like, I don't smell anything here. There's been nothing here. I know there's that funny thing leaning against that apple tree over there, but I haven't smelt that other thing that's usually in it. So I'm cool. I can hang out there and I can stage my dough in her bedding area and I can get there. But then when he got in there, he had another inkling. Uh-oh, there's a squatch. I'm gonna get shot. And he did. So my my number one rule to live by is play that wind. If you're in jeopardy of ruining your hunt and maybe spooking that buck out of there, just be patient, move to another piece of land, try a different area, stay out of there. If you've got it where you can kind of manipulate the wind and you've set your territories up where you say, okay, well, I can sneak over up to this edge. I know we kind of skirts that that property sometimes too, and you're not jeopardizing anything, do it. You know, capitalize on it. But I'm telling you, hands down, you think you know them, they got you pinned, man. So don't blow it with a bad wind. Just just stay the hell out of there.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

In my opinion, obviously, we're all going based off of our own hunting experience and knowledge. So I don't just I don't just disagree with what Squatch is saying. However, with with my property that I'm specifically hunting, I've hunted on bad winds where I've only had two days of hunting on my two days off, and I'm like, fuck it, I want to get out in the woods and hunt. I don't give a shit if it fucks up my stuff. I'm gonna tell you, there's been a lot of times where I've been out there hunting and I have a west wind, and I'm like, oh perfect, they're gonna be coming from the west, they're not gonna smell me, this and that. But then again, the deer that I'm after is coming from the east, and they just come from all different fucking directions. It's just gonna happen. We'd love for them to all the plan coming from the from a certain direction, but at the end of the day, these are wild animals, they're gonna do what they do. You can't predict all these movements. Now, like Squatch said, Yes, do the best you can to eliminate your scent out there, but I have my my own personal beliefs on scent. And I'll even tell you this where I hunt is my fair rut location on a property. I need a south wind, that's the main priority wind that I need to have to hunt that area. However, I can get away with a southeast and east, and possibly a southwest west wind. If it's a north of any kind, I'm fucked because everything obviously is coming from the other direction. I pushed up the limits one day, I had a northwest wind. I was like, screw it. Something's telling me just to go sit in the stand. And Squatch knows about it because it was the deer that I missed the opportunity with that giant one. Yeah. And he came from the east, and I had a northwest wind. So they obviously were interjecting with the wind, and he was coming right into his nose. He literally was right underneath my stand. So at the same time, yes, scent is a very important thing, but obviously that showed the scent was going of me, was going right into him, and he was right underneath me, and he was just walking towards food. This wasn't the rut, this wasn't anything. This was like the second-ish week of October. Yeah, so in my opinion, do your best to petter the wind, petter the deer the best you can. There at the but at the end of the day, these are wild animals. And sometimes your your your scent might not freak them out. And like I said, me being out in the woods, I talked to Squatch about this the other day. And my personal belief, I think you can teach deer, you can train them to be like cattle in some capacity, because I strongly feel like if you're out there once every two weeks, you're out there kind of on some type of regulatory basis, then they aren't in your let's say you're out there from once a month to put your channels out there. Then October 1st comes, you're out there almost every day. Then they're like, Well, what the fuck is this smell? I don't like it, and they get freaked out. Now, if you're out there like once every two weeks, now they're starting to get used to it, it's not freaking them out as much. And now when October 1st comes, and they let's say they do smell you, they're now like, Oh, I've smelled this before, it's nothing, but then they just move about your day, and there you go. That's my point and take on it.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

I can go on, but I just want to interject because I thought of something of a way to put this. If you've ever had dogs and you scold your dog, say you smack him on the nose, you know, just give them a little tap on the nose and they back up. That's a buck smelling your scent. Okay. Now, when you say, Come on, come here, come here, come here, and they kind of like shy, they shy, and they're they're getting away from you. And then the next day they start to come back, come on, come on, you tell them, come here. And the the dog starts to finally come a little closer, a little closer, and the next day they forgot all about it. It's the same way a buck treats your scent. When they smell you, it's that smack in the nose. But they don't get hurt, there's no reaction, and they go on feeding or chasing a doe or doing what they're doing. Now, the next time that buck comes through that area, that's a smack in the nose, but wait a minute, I'm okay. I can I can go through there. So look at it like that. That's that's the little visual that I had in my head to kind of make you guys think of you know, a scolded dog is kind of like a deer that's learning the scent of a human and then learning what they can get away with with that scent, you know. It's I'm not saying like rut, if you had that wind, you know, the like say you got that dominant wind, screw the wind with during the rut, they're they're all bets are off, they're not paying attention to you. You could I've had I've walked right up on bucks just chasing dug, they're insane, they don't care about the wind, they'll come from places you never thought, but I'm saying in that early season, you know, those those October mornings, you know, where we're really starting to knuckle down on the bucks that we want to kill. Gotta be just gotta be careful, you know. I'm not saying you can't get them to come in, but just gotta be careful. But that's the best way I could give you guys a description. It's like you you know, you give that little tap to a dog and they kind of you know shy and then they start coming in slower. It's the same thing. I mean, I'm I'm all apple orchards up behind my house. How much human scent you think is back there when these guys are picking, they're picking, they're picking, and they're not the cleanest guys out there either. You know, no offense, but they they smell, I'm sure they smell a little bit. These deer get used to the scent, you know. So I got it a little easier, but I don't, you know. A deer is still a deer, it's been bred into them to to shy away from human scent, it's genetics, it's through the years of of you know being chased. They know, but yeah, that's all that's all I got.

SPEAKER_03 51:46

I was gonna say know your property. Um, yeah, know your deer, know your property. In my experience with the property, I hunt two separate pieces of property, private property. One is very, very highly exposed to the human scent. Um, whether it be me directly in there checking cameras, I trap in the later part of January. I trap my my bait. Um you know, Mike knows this. I'm a bait paw hunter. Um, I'm a meat, I'm a meat guy. I don't chase horns a whole lot. I I you know, I expect when I go into the woods, because I don't do it three, four times a week, I expect to go in the woods and get a chance at a deer. Whether that be bad wind, good wind, you know, rain, whatever, you know, overcast, whatever you want to talk about with that. So I'm very peculiar on the days. I pay very, very close attention to my deer patterns. Um, you know, obviously I think everybody can agree does are a little easier to pattern, you know, they're not as as fluky as bucks are. You know, they're not running a five-mile circuit, seven-mile circuit. Um, but I think if if you have a consistent food source the way I do it, you know, I hunt eighty yards off of a bed, you know, and like I said, I'm very particular the days I go in, you know, um, not to you know consistently run deer out of a bed. I'm not shooting eight deer a year off these properties, I'm shooting one to two deer off of a property. Um, but you know as I keep coming back to um if you know your deer movement, if you know the property, what it's been exposed to, what you're exposing to it, just like Brett and Squatch said, um, you know, I don't think a bad wind can hurt you. If you make it hurt you, it will. You know, like I said priorly, I don't I I wash with the regular soap I do every day. But before I go into the woods, I have some kind of scent eliminator, you know, just something to block it out to help. You know, I don't want to go in there smelling like vanilla lavender, you know. Um, but yeah, I I've I've killed plenty of deer with the wind, you know, with the wind coming from behind me, blowing right on the bait pile. But it's because I'm in there just like Brett said, you know, every every two weeks, you know, every week, just doing something, like I said, whether it be baiting, checking piles, checking traps, uh, checking cameras, doing whatever. Yeah, that's that's that's just me.

Another Hunter Close By On Public

SPEAKER_04 54:15

So well we'll we'll do we'll do one more. We're getting to the hour point. We'll have to do this again. Um, and definitely with the scenarios. I you know, I I love the scenarios that that that we have here, and I want I want to do this segment a little more with the scenarios and everything like that. But here's one you're deep in on public land, mid-November, and hear another hunter grunting 100 yards away. Are you gonna signal and back out, stay put, and hope he pushes deer to you, try to outcall him, or is there something else that well, what would your game plan be in that scenario? You got a hunter, best part of the year, 100 yards away, just grunting, do going going crazy?

SPEAKER_01 54:59

IDL, get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_04 55:01

I usually well, yeah, because I mean you're on private property, so if somebody was was on your property, I you'd do way more than that.

unknown 55:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

So I'm on private my own private property and someone a hundred yards away on on their own property, or are they on my property? How big's how big's your property? My property is 80 acres.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

So I mean, if they're I mean, I guess if you're on the edge, but wherever your main rut spot is, is that like a hundred yards away from from the other property?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Yeah, because there it's probably I can hear them running their lawnmower and leaf blower and their turkey saws all up and down the fucking road, and they're probably like I don't know, good 600 yards away, but I can hear them like they're right next to me. Yeah, I want to text them and yell at them like, shut the fuck up, I'm trying to hunt.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

Um is that what what what would you do with your neighbor in that instance if I don't know if your neighbor hunts and all, but if he was hunting or had somebody come out on their land or whatever, and you know, this guy's being is grunting and kind of being a a disturbance because we all know just grunting your your your ass off doesn't really do much in in that situation. Not at least, I mean sometimes, yeah, maybe, but for the most part, I I you would think it's gonna have more of a negative effect.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

I would in my scenario, in that scenario, because I have my neighbor's number, I'll text him like, hey man, I like last year, for instance, it was like every day getting leading up to the rut, even in the rut, and he's a hunter too, but he's primarily a rifle hunter, and bastard, yeah. I know, right? Fucking prick. Uh, he's just leaf blower calore going. I'm just losing my mind, and I'm just like, dude, shut the fuck up, man. So I think at this point, I'm like, hey man, respectfully, we hunt right next to each other. You know, I'm out here during R3 season. At least 95% of the time, I'm gonna be there's a 95% chance I'm gonna be out in the woods, and you know that. But it's hard to to do that because I that's the only time I see them is during the hunting season, so we don't have that type of relationship. But I think you should at least like approach it in some nice way, like, hey man, is there any way you can do that earlier in the day or some other day or some shit like that? Because I get it, leaves are falling and stuff like that, but because I wouldn't want to be doing that if he's out there hunting, but then if he's doing it to me, I'm gonna be a dick, I'll do it right back. I don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:39

Might might as well.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

I I think there's a way to go about it. And if like I said, if I I have his number, so I think just sending a text message, hey, is there anything that we can do to work this out where I'm not messing up your hunt, you're not messing up my hunt with the leaf blowers and all this noise and grunting and all this crap. Or even if he let's say I don't have his phone number, just walk up to his house and be like, hey man, and just talk it out like that. Because we're all hunters, we're all trying to help each other in some way be successful out in the woods. So I don't think there's anything wrong. You're like, hey, I'm out here hunting, I've noticed this has been going on, this kind of been getting on my frustration. Is there anything that we can do about it? And if he tells you no, go fuck off. Well, then that's the best you can do, it's his property. Yeah, but at least you can say you tried.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

So so the question was if you're out hunting and somebody is grunning a hundred yards away from you, not on public land, you're on your land, and they're on no for just just for just for Brett, it was on it was on private because I know I know uh Brett doesn't do much public, but the the question would be um you're where the hell is it? Uh you're deep in on public mid-November, and you hear another hunter grunting a hundred yards away. Would you signal and back out, stay put and hope he pushes deer to you, try to call him out? Or you know, do you what what else could would you would you possibly do?

SPEAKER_02 59:16

I mean, I would I've been in that situation before on public, um, especially up on the DEP land that I hunt. Um, and typically I kind of know who's in that area. If I do hear something, uh, out of courtesy, I'll try to skirt further in or away from whoever that noise is. Um I've had it be where you're sitting there, you'll hear somebody grunting or rattling, and sometimes a buck will just you know cruise past them and come right to you. Um, but most of the time I I don't like people, like I try to get away from people on a safety issue kind of thing. Yeah. So I just, you know, if if if I'm that close and I either see the person rattling, hear them making grunt calls, I'm just gonna really like sneak out, just kind of like distance myself, maybe double the distance or or triple the distance away from them where I'm going. There's been tons of times though I've been up up on those mountains. You'll you know, and you're cutting a track and you'll you'll see somebody sitting on a rock. Well, hey, gentle wave up and just keep on moving along and just get to your own little spot so you can hang out, you know, or do whatever. But no, I I don't really I just try to get away from people. I mean, uh like on private, I've had it where idiots will drive down the edge of the property line in the good orchard, shoot out the window of their truck, don't even get out to check and see if they hit the animal, and then keep riding around the orchard, you know, as it's dark or getting dark, and I've emptied my magazine on my 40 just to scare them off out of there to let them know I was there. Jeez. So well, you know, they're shooting they're shooting at me in the tree line and they don't know I'm there. Exactly. And uh farmers are there. No, I'm not I'm not taking I'm not taking aim at them or anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:16

Yeah, yeah. No, I I didn't think you were taking aim at them. Yeah, no, it's just wild that people I hate that people do shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

I mean, I've watched, I actually have it recorded, I'll show you sometime. The guy literally is creeping along through the orchard. I'm in the thick orchard that's private land, and there's an open orchard next to that land, and I'm watching them, and I'm like, this guy's for real. I'm like, you know, it's the last freaking 10 minutes of light, and he's gonna come cruising here, and then ba boom, and I'm like, Are you shitting me? You know, and it's like then he drives like another couple rows up, ba boom again. I'm like, nah, no, we're not having this. So, you know, I took my 40 out and just emptied the mag and he like flew out of there, you know. So, but you know, you stupid games with stupid prizes, you know. I I kind of give what people put out there and just give it back, you know. If you're considerate, you're polite, we don't have an issue. If you're a dick, I'm a bigger dick. So that's all there is to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

Yeah. I'll uh I I would I I have two answers to that. If it's after a le if it's like between 10 and 11 o'clock, I'm probably just gonna scurry out of there. Um chances are if he's grunting like that, rattling like that, he probably doesn't quite know exactly what he's doing. Yep. And he's already messed the hunt up prior to even making any noise. Um if it's before 10, 11 o'clock, you know, I do I do deer hunt some private land, and 90% of the private land in South Jersey, you're gonna find fields on it. Um I'm probably gonna move to a field edge, knowing, you know, getting as far away from him as I can. Uh that's just, I mean, that's what I would do. I I that's just kind of, you know, even just deer hunting in general. I've always migrated to field edges, uh, farm fields, you know, even 15, 20 yards inside the woods, looking out of the farm field. So if I have the opportunity to, even if it's a forced opportunity, that's that's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

How about you, Craig? I've had nothing but shitty luck on public land, so I gave that up. I just have my family land now. But um last year, so I'm in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and right off of how I phone you want what the bay is. There's a piece of public, yeah, it's like 62 acres, but like 55. So but there is a plug-up high line and then it's actually butter than two private line than the backstab. I mean I always cover the summer time or two and I don't know what you like and IP from one hundred parts, otherwise, like he be two, you know. I mean, I'll tell you how close you can be doing two and two gun and lower ten years from the in and try to be on clear and we're gonna have another general bag in the private line. I still properly but I think it's the public open there. Another 20 yards. You know what I'm saying, what they meant to be like joining life and uh And you know, whether I shoot a basket eight or whatever, you know, I don't know what's even out there. But those guys made it pretty difficult. And then I had one instance also same spot. I um I gave it like, I don't know, three weeks. And I I would drive by a 41. I could just see over like the highway railings, you know, never seen vehicles, never seen vehicles. I'm like, okay, maybe they're just done, maybe they got a deer out of there. Went back there to go hunt again. No one came in there. So I'm like, okay, you know, I seen two dollars that night, whatever. And I got to my truck and there was a note on my truck. And the the node said, we've seen your truck here before, and you come back again, we'll slash your tires. I'm like, oh my god. So it's like, like, whatever. Like, I could have gone through all the whole should be a little called a DNR. I know a lot of like a lot of good buddies that are DRs here are like around the Green Bay area. And I'm thinking to myself, like, what am I doing? I got all this private land, you know, and it's just like, but it's like, I'm not gonna do this no more. Like, I'm not gonna get notes in my truck. I'm not gonna have guys follow me in the woods, you know. I mean, like I said, the property, it's a big property, but it's like I said, it's it's all marsh, it's all cagtails and it's all watered, but to think of that one high piece to that guy's private land. And it's just like the two instances I had, I was like, I'm done and I haven't touched public land since. I mean, I cut and I know I'm gonna I I eventually want to, but like now that I got my family's land, like that I think to a T, you know, to a pin. And right now we got actually um two bucks on telecam and come through. And it was May 23rd, and he was absolutely huge already. And that that was the first thing I've ever seen in my life, like having bucks out there that big already in May uh May 23rd. So I was like, you know, this year is gonna be all private land. I know I'm safe, I'm enjoying it with my brother-in-law, sister-in-law. Don't have to worry about any bullshit. We know the neighbors, the neighbors are awesome to us. So it's like, I'm gonna go enjoy this jar and have fun. So I'm I'm done with public land for a little while.

Closing Thoughts And Listener Talk

SPEAKER_04 1:08:00

Yeah, no, I I I don't I don't blame you with that. That that's kind of crazy. Um for me, like it would really just depend on the time of the year. Um, and well, not even time of the year, obviously it's said November, but you know what the property, how big the property is, you know, kind of like Squatch says, you know, I don't really like being around people anyway, but there's a way where you can also use that to your advantage as well. So, you know, as much as he could be, you know, if he's grunting like that or doing rattling like that, probably doesn't really know what he what he's doing and everything like that. So, you know, you can kind of work around him. Um, that's kind of what I would do. Usually in November, I'm probably gonna stay in the woods anyway, or by 11 o'clock noon time, um, you know, like like Brian said, he he would get out. Like, I'm probably gonna go run to the truck real quick and go get to my my next spot. You know, if it hasn't worked out for me in that one spot, like I usually move um spots a lot. Um, you know, Squatch knows that a lot about me and Frank, you know, our guys, like I do a lot of moving and I don't like if it doesn't work out for me, or you know, I got show cameras everywhere, there's spots that have bucks moving midday. There's gonna be spots that have, you know, early evening and everything like that. So I'm really trying to go find those deer. So as frustrating as another hunter screwing up, you know, the hunt and everything like that, you know, I I can either use it as my advantage and you know, move 200 yards off of them, maybe cut him off from where I think maybe those deer could be coming or or moving or whatever the case, or I'm just gonna just pack up anywhere with the saddle equipment. I've gotten pretty good and pretty quick at getting down and going to a new spot and setting up um within within the time limit. So I'd probably do that and just wait for uh whatever spots the hottest I would I would go to next. So um but boys the round table segment is back. It was a pleasure getting getting you guys back to to join us. I I love doing these things, but I definitely want to do at least a few more with with you guys and and different guys and everything like that, and get a lot more in the of the scenarios in there too, of what what we would do in that scenario. I definitely would gotta come up with um some waterfowl ones, or Brian can come up with some waterfowl ones and kind of teach us. Like I said, this is my second year. I'm still new into waterfowl. So um, I know a lot of us here either don't waterfowl or are beginners and stuff like that. So very interested see what he would do and everything like that in certain addiction. Yes, it is. I I will say everyone out there who hasn't done it yet, it is a absolute addiction, and it is so much fun to do um obsessed with waterfowl and everything like that. But uh guys, any any last words?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:59

Uh I'll say it's June, so if we need some new guys, I'm sure I can find some for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Well, what what type of guys are we talking about here? Squash is kind, or let anyone run with it, but but yeah, we'll we'll we'll we'll take your we'll take your uh Washington guys that you're talking about before uh before the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

I gotta say, I have two loyal listeners from Washington, not Washington State, Washington, DC. And that surprised me the most out of the podcast. What? Uh having the having the uh listeners from Washington DC.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:47

Oh yeah, yeah, we I noticed yeah, we had uh 11 downloads um today just from the state of Washington. I was like, nice. We're the fucking furthest from being politically correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:00

No, I will I we've talked to some guys from Washington. They're you know, there's some there's some good old boys out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

Yeah, we talked to Gary from Green um Washington, and he's a great guy. We love talking to him. He makes his own duck calls, right, Squatch? Yeah, yeah, he's cool. Yeah, and there's a lot of people that are if you want to use the term Republican and right-wing theory, and they think American, but yeah, there's a lot of people out there that are hardworking guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:25

Oh, I I guess DC as well. Yeah, Washington State has one of my favorite towns. I what is it called? Walla Walla, Washington, or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:35

Walla walla walla walla.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

And SSL Brett makes with his boyfriend.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:45

In the five years that we've been doing this show, LA, I've only had two people listen to the 200 and something episodes from from LA. California does not give our show much love. I I don't really have too many Cali Cali listens there, but I don't think I have any what I'm going through them now. I don't think I have any Washington. Um never. I don't think I've had anybody from Washington. What the hell? Washington not giving us love?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

We I think there's there's only been three states that we haven't reached. It's it's been really cool to track that.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:19

I think the most I gotta get Brett on more often. That's what it is. Brett just gives them those those vibes.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:27

It's the low it's the low tone. I think the most we had out of California at a time was like 10. Right now we're sitting at two.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

Really? Yeah, I do think it's your screen vibe, though, like talking into that big black microphone in front of your face.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:47

I'll say this my buddy, he was like, You see that microphone you're talking into? Like, yeah, my microphone looks like a big black dick that you're talking into. It doesn't help when Dave's sending you pictures and you're trying to have an actual show and you're trying to be professional, and you have to use a microphone to cover up your laughing, and all you do is you look at your phone, you just see a big dick run on your face.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

Oh, yeah, he takes a beat in the turn of the show, man. Big time, but yeah, all right, boys.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:25

It was an absolute pleasure. Appreciate you all for coming on. Everyone, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I hope you love the the little banter that that we had back and forth and everything like that. And we'll see you guys next time. All right, thanks. See you guys.