Cold Open And Guest Welcome

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Every hundred moments in the wheels and change those days. And in that stillness, you realize you're not chasing these changes. The show is for the ones who sleep over the road. We live for the thrill. This is more than a podcast. This is the start of something real. Let's chase it. Welcome back, everyone, and we got a good one here for you guys. We got our guy Bo from Kool-Aid Arrows or Archery's arrow. Well, arrows, yes, but it is it's Kool-Aid Archery. Um, you know, arrows that me personally have been using now. This will be going on my I think third season. Every deer that I've killed in the last two and a half years, minus my one gun deer, has been off of these arrows. The whole team is shooting these arrows. We are so proud and so happy to announce. Oh, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Man, thank you guys for having me. And that's uh that's some awesome testament right there. Couple years putting them putting them to work.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

So I I love them. Um, I I think um I I think when when we were on the phone call when when we're talking uh a couple months ago and everything like that, like I I was telling you, I was I was so impressed, and you know, Frank, I think Frank was there too. Uh we we do this like archery shoot every single year. Um and we we had this iron bear, and every arrow broke except for these arrows, and uh that got me sold right there. The only thing that would happen was the collar would just pinch together, but the whole arrow was just was intact. Like if you could have gotten the collar out and put a new one in, and you would have been able to shoot it and it would have worked just fine. And that right there, I was like, okay, yep, I will uh I'll take a dozen of those arrows, put a dozen of those arrows, and then here we are two and a half years later.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Yeah, well, I'm glad you guys got to see it like in action. Uh, we've we've heard that time and time again from individuals like us, you know, real world hunters. Uh, you know, that was kind of one of the concepts behind the company was being able to provide a really high quality product for guys just like us um that are going out, spending their hard-earned money and getting really good equipment with that money. So uh, but yeah, we've we've heard that time and time again, you know, just uh from the resilience of them to the penetration to the flight and obviously the price point. So uh it's it's been it's been really cool feedback, you know, being able to visit with people that are actually out there putting them to work.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Yeah, yeah.

Bo’s First Deer And Bow Bug

SPEAKER_03 3:32

So uh for every new person that we got on, what but why don't you give everyone a quick backstory? If you know we got these new listeners who may not know who you are and everything like that. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

How far do you want me to go back?

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Hey, listen, you are if you want to go all the way back here, you're more than welcome. We always tell people, um, don't worry, if you do a lot of talking, you make our life so much easier, and we just have to sit back, pick your feet up, and be a listener.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

I love to talk. So um uh let's see, I killed my first year when I was five years old. Uh, that's when I got the got bit by the bug. Um, my dad's company had a kind of a corporate lease, uh, and there was seven or eight of us kids, you know, anywhere from five to eight years old. And we got brought down during the youth weekend to help with the doe population. Uh, so I killed a doe when I was five. Uh it was my first year I shot with a 222 rifle. Um, so dang proud of it. I had to uh uh fill dresser myself with the the oversight of my dad. So y'all can imagine how long that takes a five-year-old with uh a knife trying to clean a deer. Um, I just remember my hands being so cold. Uh, but I was so proud of that deer. And uh kind of fast forwarded uh when I was 12, I shot my first buck with my bow. Uh and since then I've killed two animals that have not been with a bow. Uh, shot a turkey in Montana and I shot an Axis deer uh back in 2018 with a rifle. Everything else I've killed since then has been with a bow. Um, so the bow hunting bugged a bit hard and uh stayed with that and kind of, you know, I guess it was probably I was 12 or 13 years old, and my stepmom at the time had one of the old like VHS cameras. Uh, so I would take that and I would go and film uh out of a box stand that we had built that was sitting about 30 yards from a feeder. Uh and I was I was filming my hunts. Uh, I wish I could find some of that old footage because I know it was just gold, classic gold, trying to imitate the guys that I saw on the Monster Bucks 2 and Monster Bucks 3, you know, the VHS we'd all wait for to come out at Academy or Walmart, you know, every year. Uh so I'm sure there's some there's some gold clips, you know, that was well before social media days. So uh but kind

Getting His Wife Into Hunting

SPEAKER_00 5:58

of started that. And then uh when I met my wife Rhonda, uh she had never hunted. Um, and I had told her, you know, hey, uh if we're gonna make this work, you know, I'm pretty much gone from the first of October through January. I was a weekend warrior, you know, I'd work, you know, my butt off Monday through Friday and some Saturday mornings to be able to go hunt, you know, on the weekends, whether it was bow season or rifle season or whatever it was. Um, she was like, Why? I've never been, I'd like to go. And I was like, Cool, meet me at this gas station at four o'clock in the morning. And she showed up and and her first hunt was a was a rough one. It was cold. Uh, I didn't have enough clothes for her, so she was cold. Uh, of course, she was all dolled up, you know, and you know, I don't think we saw anything that morning, but um, it it bit and she I got her on her first two deers. She killed a doe and a a buck with a rifle, and then said, I want to try this bow hunting thing. And so in 2005, uh turned her loose with a bow, and she's been at it as hard as I have been since then. Most expensive blessing of my life. So do you do have you experienced this?

SPEAKER_03 7:09

Like my fiance, she is a phenomenal shot, and moving into that that archery was a lot easier for her than it was for me because she just has way more patience, patience, you know, and and you know, with Frank, like we're we're all at the at the vent, you know, doing the uh the iron bear challenge. She shot better than most than most of the guys, and yet again, she doesn't have the the experience that that we have and you know as much time in the at all compared into woods, like none compared to us, and you know, on the archery range, like we're shooting constantly, constantly, but it's that patience. And a lot of females, you know, if you're looking to get into it or you're you know, you're already into it, and you know, you you want to get a bow or something like that. It is, I feel like it's a little easier of a transition for you guys because you guys have that way better, way more patient than us men are. And most women I know their shots are absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yep. Yeah, it was it's kind of a unique experience with her because she she's very much she's very good at doing the same thing consistently, uh, which we all know in the archery world, if you can do the same thing consistently, your accuracy is incredible. Uh the problem was is when we started out, we didn't know that she was left-eye dominant. Uh so we would go out there, she's right-handed, and she would shoot and just be lights out, you know. And then the next day she would shoot, and it was almost like somebody moved her sight, you know, six inches to the right. And so it finally got to the point where I'm looking at her bow and I'm like, something is not right. This took, you know, a handful of weeks. So I took her over to our bow shop and I told the owner, I was like, I can't figure it out. I don't know what she's doing, something's not right because she's on one day, she's completely off the next. And he was like, I'll take her and fix her. And about 15 minutes later, he came back and he goes, I found the problem. And I was like, What's that? And he was like, She's left eye dominant. So as soon as she gets a little bit fatigued, she tries to take over with her left eye. Let's try and put her in a left-handed bow. And so that was that was a really, really awesome to watch because it was almost like she had to relearn everything from the left-handed side. So she had zero bad habits. And ever since putting in her in a left-handed bow, uh, and and creating that muscle memory, it's it's been it's been game over for a lot of animals. So uh she's she's she's accurate as heck with it.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

So I'm I'm a little nervous now because that's sounds exactly like Bianca. Like one day she's perfectly on, and the next day I'm trying to rip my hair out because she's shooting like she's never shot before. And like I'll I'll I'll change stuff and it'll work, and then it won't work again. And I'm like, what am I doing wrong? What you know what I mean? Like, what can I why why can't I get this right for her? You know what I mean? I've never thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

It may check that, it may check her her eye dominance. Um, I you know what's kind of ironic in a sense is like the more people we've talked to about that, the more that we've ran into that. Uh, when we were at the Iowa Deer Classic uh a month or so back, I was visiting with a gentleman and he told me the same thing. He was and I was and he's telling me the story, and it was almost verbatim of what had happened, you know, from my point of view with her. And I was like, You figured out you're left eye dominant. And he was like, Man, how did you know that? I was like, I ran through this with my wife 20 years ago. So, and he was like, Yeah, I had no idea. I've shot right-handed my entire life. You know, I write right-handed, you know, everything. But when it comes down to that anchor point and focusing, his left eye was taken over. And so he switched to a left-handed bow and has been doing doing really well since as well.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Wow, I it's crazy to it. No, it's crazy to hear because you would especially, you know, how you grow up. If you're a writer, you're a writer, your right eye is gonna be your dominant eye. If you're a lefty, your left eye is gonna be your dominant eye, like, and if you have that mindset from basically a little kid, like you're not gonna think anything of it when you pick up archery, or even even you know, when you go, you know, rifle hunting and stuff and stuff like that. Like, I know my cousin, he's left eye dominant, but my uncle taught him to use his right eye for hunting, um, and and stuff like that. And I I don't, you know, obviously a lot more guns are you know there for it's for righties and and and everything like that. So and I I've heard that story multiple times, but I've never heard it in the in a boat industry. Yep. And it makes sense why I it's obviously you really don't hear about it though, too, is because once you get fatigued, you don't get fatigued in rifle hunting, you know what I mean? You're or you're you know, shooting shotguns and stuff or even handguns, like you're not getting fatigued like that with bow, you know, it's a whole different world. So you you it it's it's that's that's like my mind is kind of like in a whole different like space right now of like wow, that explain, and for anyone listening, like man, if if you struggled and you have hey yeah, go go get it checked out and and just double check it. It you know, it could be that that one thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Yeah, no, and I got a question for for Bo real quick. Yeah, now would she shoot with with both both eyes open or would shoot close one eye? Like, how did you notice that she was shooting?

SPEAKER_00 12:34

I didn't I didn't pay attention then, and then so it wasn't until we switched her over that now she is shooting with both eyes open uh and and doing phenomenal at it. Uh I don't know exactly, you know, prior if she was closing her eye and and maybe that that right eye was drifting a little bit, you know, with the left eye trying to take over. I I'm not a hundred percent sure. I just know when we put her in left-handed bow, like when I tell you like her sight, like I mean, this was the string line, like her sight would be like over here, and then finally was able to like like holding the bow, looking down and like seeing, okay, it's it's actually in line. And she'd be hitting, you know, eight inches to the right. I'm like, okay, something, something is not right. Um, and so luckily having a good bow tech that thought outside the box a little bit because I would have been fighting. I mean, man, it was like every single time we went out to shoot, I was moving it left and right. Up and down was always good. It was always left and right. And, you know, of course, when he told me, you know, what it was, I was like, ah, that makes sense. And so he was like, Oh, I bet, I bet different times of the day depended on how bad she was off, because you know, as we go throughout the day, you know, our eyesight gets tired, you know, with as much as we're up and doing and the hours that we're not into sleep. Um, so if she was shooting, you know, early mid-morning, everything was okay, but late evening after a long day at the office, looking at a computer screen for a long time, you know, it was all over the place. So it was, it was kind of a it was kind of a luckily it was a we were only like two bows in when we fixed this and not like five

The Eye Dominance Problem Solved

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or six. So but got her into it and uh we kind of went the the filming route. Um we started filming for a couple of different TV shows and uh met some incredible people, got to go on a couple of really good hunts or several several really good hunts. Um and that's actually kind of like how I fell into the the arrow owning business. Um, one of the uh gentlemen that I had become friends with through a another arrow company was a designer. Uh, he had hit me up about um basically being a uh an ambassador or rep for uh this company that he was gonna come out with with the centrifugal weave. And that conversation transpired over you know several months and testings and to hey, do you want to do business together? Yeah, let's do it. And then ultimately kind of launched the business and then ended up buying him out. Um, so her and I own it 100%, but I still have him on staff as as my designer uh to help me with you know any kind of new products for you know 27 or 28. Um and it's just been rocking and rolling.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

Yeah, that that's absolutely an incredible. And you know, a lot of to to digest there, I I and I which I love. So um let's go back to when you're five real quick. Yeah, right. And you and you get your first kill. Yeah, you know, what what like I imagine like five-year-old, five-year-olds, you know, there's things that they remember, there's things that they don't. I imagine that you probably could you probably re picture that constantly in your head and and everything. That that specific hunt, like kind of take us through through that of a a hunt as a five-year-old, you know. Yeah, that's incredible. I wish at five I could have killed a deer.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

You know, it's one of those, you know, memories are a little grainy. There's certain things that really stick out, but there's, you know, I'll I'll never forget, you know, uh, we were sitting in uh an old wooden box spine in what they called the oak bottom uh in Uvalde, Texas. It was an old lake bed that had the dam had actually broke several years prior to that. Uh, but that ground was real fertile, and a lot of the uh there was still live water that came through there. So there was oak trees uh around all this, and that country's real rocky, real mesquite. So that's why they called it oak bottom. Um, and I remember the dough came out. Um, there was probably 15 or 20 deer out there. My dad told me which one to take. She was 70 yards, you know, 50, 60, 70 yards. And I just remember being so shaky, like just like just just shaking like crazy, like this the crosshairs were going everywhere. And it was an old fixed power uh, you know, red field scope, you know, on this gun. And uh I remember when I shot and it was like slow motion after that. Um, she hunched up, she ran, made a circle, and then fell over and kicked. And my dad just like looked at me like high five. And I'll never, I'll never forget. I had one of his hats on. Of course, being five, you know, an adult hat is like sliding down like all over your eyes. And I'm like trying to keep my hat up and walking over to her, you know. Man, I was just I was so excited, you know, to to do that with my dad. And, you know, now being older, looking back of like what that core memory actually, you know, it was something completely different for me than it was for him. Uh, you know, for me, you know, it was like that that that crossing of like, you know, I'm not just a five-year-old kid, you know, I'm I'm a five-year-old young man now. I've killed my first deer. And, you know, kind of being able to have that that that badge of honor of being, you know, able to say that, you know, you know, I killed my first deer. So uh it's incredible memory. Um, just just it it started a it was a the fuel for a fire. Um, and that fire is still still raging.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

So I love that. I I yeah, as a as a five-year-old, they're like, yeah, I killed a deer. Like, you don't you don't really get that now nowadays and and everything like that. And I would I would love to be a five be like be like, yeah, you know, I killed the deer at five. That is, that is absolutely amazing. Um, you know, um and then you you said so you that was one of the the deer that you killed, obviously, with with a gun and everything like that. And I I think you said you only killed like what two two or three animals, I think, with a gun, and the rest has been with the bow.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Yeah, I killed so I I killed my first deer when I was five, and then I killed a deer every year until I was 12. And then when I was 12, is is that summer is when I got my first bow and I practiced all summer at up to 30 yards uh to try and hunt with it. And the deer I killed, my first deer with my bow, man, that was a you know, I don't even want to call it a hunt because that sucker saw me drawing back about 400 times. And and how how that even, you know, to be able to say that. I mean, like I think when I first drew back, my arrow came off the rest. I ended up letting down. He's just standing there looking, he was a little spiky as about yay big, and he's just sitting there looking at me and like like he just had a death wish and finally came to full draw. You know, heart's pounding 9,000 miles an hour. Uh, he's looking at me, finally puts his head down, kicks his leg forward, and I just I let that old aluminum go. And you know, it moving all of it 100 feet per second, you know, I can still watch that fletching, you know, just flying and hit him. And he high kicks, jumps out of the feeder pin, runs about 80 yards, and then just falls over. And I was like, oh man, this is awesome. Uh, and then it was a dry spell for several years because I wouldn't hang my bow up. Um, and you know, I don't think I killed my next one with my bow until uh I was 15 or 16. I know I was driving, but I had my my learner's permit at 15. So um, but yeah, shot my second my next year with my bow when I was 15. It was a little basket rack nine point. Um, and then it's just been crazy adventures since then.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which has led you, you know, to New Jersey, which was one of the the the craziest facts. Like what what are the chances? And I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, really not too not too far, I don't, I don't think from us, probably like an hour or or so um way. Um, you know, which is it it's a such a small world that you know a Texas guy like yourself finding his way over to New Jersey and hunting in New Jersey and and everything like that.

How A New Jersey Hunt Happened

SPEAKER_00 20:53

It was uh social media. Uh I had connected with a guy by the name of Joseph Elbuff uh on Facebook and Instagram, and I was actually Joseph Elbuff. Uh he he's he's been on.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

He was one of our first episodes of The Garden State. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

I don't recognize the name. I was like, wait a minute, I know that.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

So we connected on Facebook, and we were in a one of the Facebook groups like for used uh filming equipment, and I saw that a guy was selling a camera. Joe had actually commented, like, hey, great setup. So I sent him a message and I was like, Hey man, do you know this guy? He was like, Oh, yeah, I know who he is. I was like, Okay, so trusted buyer or seller, and he was like, Absolutely. So I bought it, and then we just started chatting. And come to find out we were both in law enforcement at the time and in various capacion uh various capacities. And he was like, Hey man, you want to come to Jersey and turkey hunt? And I'm like, Yeah, let's do it. Never met this guy. Guy. Um, so we flew up to Jersey, and that was a fiasco of a hunt. They lost my bowcase for three days. I didn't have any clothes, no bow. And y'all with y'all's awesome turkey hunting rules where you can only hunt like Monday and Tuesday of one week, and then you got to draw a tag for like Thursday and Friday and Saturday of the next week. And anyways, yeah, it's just a wild place. So I the the first time I met him was uh when he picked me up at the airport, and we've been like best friends since, man. Uh I love that. Got up there to deer hunt with him, killed a doe in 24. Uh only got one trip up there in 25. Um, man, it just the weather wasn't cooperating, deer weren't cooperating. Um, it seemed like they were always one step ahead of us, uh, trying to get on them. And so looking forward to going back this year. You know, it'll it'll be one of those. He's destined to put me on a buck in Jersey. So I'll I have Bo will travel. So um oh yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

But uh hopefully, hopefully one year we can get you up to uh up to bear camp too.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Dude, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

I would love to uh we love to hunt ourselves some bears, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

That's one thing I haven't done yet.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

Oh well, you listen. When you let us know you're coming, we'll we'll make sure we'll we'll be on them. We'll we'll be on them. I know the people are so tired of us talking about bears every I think bears is one of our most talked about topics on our podcast. So I'm gonna save everyone, you know, the bear topic right now. Next time we, you know, we're at camp and Bo's here and everything. We'll obviously be talking about bears, but we'll we'll save that for for next time. Um, but super, super small world. Oh my god, like really, really small. Like, yeah, he was, I think episode like somewhere had been like in the five range, like somewhere between I would say three and and maybe ten. So see, somewhere around there, but I think like episode five. Um great guy, great, great conversation. We had him on for you know the whole filming and everything like that, and and and stuff. Because we we were really new to that, and still filming was still pretty. I know obviously a lot of people have done it, but social media wasn't where it was right, you know, when we started the show in 2020. Like it was growing, you know what I mean? But now you have all these podcasts, you know, everyone does, you know, YouTube and videos, and you have Instagram reels, YouTube shorts, you have TikTok, you have so much nowadays that filming is everyday life. You know, and and sometimes it just takes this phone right here, and that that's all that you need, and it's it's it's it is incredible. Um also sometimes it is a little bit like, come on, people, we need to live without our phones and you know, really live in living

Arrow Tech From Aluminum To Carbon

SPEAKER_03 24:49

the life. But that's uh yet again a whole other uh conversation for for another day, but um, you know, going from so your first bow, aluminum arrows now to where you guys are now with you know the the you know this weave arrow design and everything like that, a huge, huge difference, you know. And anyone who's listening who's never held an aluminum arrow in their hand or never shot one, like I don't it's so hard to explain. Listen, I would love to if if I ever get my own private property, I would love to kill one uh a deer because I never got a chance to kill. I've I used them, I've practiced with them, never killed a deer with it. I would love to get my hands on some old aluminum arrows, maybe throw on the old broadhead, like those big, big broadheads, and kill a single deer. It could be a spike, it could be whatever. That would be really cool just just for an accomplishment and everything like that. But you've seen the growth in the technology and arrows, you know, kind of go on that and speak on that, leading into you know Kool-Aid and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Yeah, you know, it and it was it was kind of you know, just being a bow hunter, you know, we all saw, you know, that late 90s, early 2000s shift from aluminum into the first carbon. And then you fast forward, and then that's when you know carbon really took over, uh, and then you know, went from the standard diameter to the five millimeter, you know, coming in with a micro diameter that was just all the craze. Then you have the weaves hitting the market, um, the full metal jackets hitting the market, the, you know, and then getting into the super micros, you know, going down to the four millimeter. And now fast forwarding to, you know, kind of like it's it's really hard to like kind of reinvent the carbon arrow. Um, you know, there's not a there's not an arrow company out there that makes a bad arrow. Uh ours are just a little bit different. Um, you know, our standard carbon, 100% carbon. Uh, you know, we offer them in a zero zero three straightness, but a lot of them are spinning better than that. Uh, we're still small, so we haven't gotten into the true match grade yet. But I couldn't tell you how many times, you know, I would say it's almost weekly that I get emails or a message, a DM, you know, hey, I put these on a spine tester and these are coming in as, you know, zero zero one. Um, are you sure this is zero zero three? And I was like, no, man, that's great. And you know, if I can advertise as an O three and it's coming in better, even better for you. Uh right, right. It's cheaper on the pocketbook. And you know, with the the centrifugal weave, uh, you know, that was that was a unique feature that you know nobody had really touched on. Uh, and so that's you know, having my designer like had kind of came up with it and then bringing it to market. And then now getting it in people's hands and and watching what they are experiencing with it, uh, you know, and and I don't want to take away from our other arrows that aren't the weave, but uh, I'll just talk about the weave for just a second. Um, you know, the penetration and downran downrange accuracy. Um, you know, having real world guys, you know, say, hey, I built this arrow and it weighs exactly the same as my other arrow, but I'm getting better penetration, I'm getting better groups at longer distances, I'm actually hitting a little bit higher at longer distances. So that arrow is holding its energy downrange a lot better than what, you know, what the arrow was I shoot, I was shooting before. Why is that? And then so trying to backtrack off of that, okay, we have a result, so let's see what we're what's happening to create that result. Uh, and then uh I had one of my staff guys um did some slow-mo filming uh with several different arrows on a drawboard with a bow and going frame by frame and realizing that that the weave arrow is recovering about five one hundredths of a second faster coming out of a bow. At 20 yards doesn't mean anything. 30, not so much, but when you start hitting that 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 yard range, when you're recovering there on that out of the bow that much faster, it's maintaining that energy at longer distances, which is going to increase penetration, which is gonna increase accuracy. Um, and then to top it off, that weave just is sexy. It looks good, it looks great and equivalent, your photograph is good. Sure it does. So um, but that that's kind of where the technology is on the weave arrow. And and like I said, I don't want to take away from any of the other arrows because man, I I hear stories from our Impala, which is our our you know low-end hunter edition, you know, entry level. I don't want to take, you know, I don't want to downplay its quality by its price point or where it sits on our scale. Um, but it is our cheapest arrow. Um, it is, you know, the one that comes pre-fletched that that most of us kind of more seasoned hunters will look at that as, you know, like, oh, that's my that's my pig arrow or my groundhog arrow or my squirrel arrow. You know, if I break one, it's I'm out five bucks, six bucks. I'm not out 17, 18, 20, 25, depending on how much we have built into our each arrow. But having guys, you know, message me and say, I can't break this arrow. Um, or hey, I killed seven deer with this arrow last year. Um, and you know, or or even down here for us in the south, you know, hey, I'm I killed three pigs with this arrow. You know, normally when we shoot pigs, you know, that's a you shoot them with an old arrow because you know that that arrow is more than likely going to break, um, uh just because of how tough of an animal they are. Um, and and hearing that, you know, with with every single lineup that we have, um, in tack attack this weekend, uh, had two different guys shooting our Rattel arrow, uh, which is kind of our second level arrow, uh, come by the booth and say, Hey, uh, I I center punched a tree and all it did was mess up my half out. Or, hey, I I shot through a limb, you know, a quarter inch limb. It ripped my fletching off, but the arrow is still good. Uh, just in and that's that's real world experience. That's not something that you know we went out in the backyard and have kind of a biased opinion on. That's what people are are seeing from pretty much every lineup that we every arrow we offer in the lineup is the resilience and the toughness of it. Yeah, and and I love that.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

And and and that that's something that you know, yet again, like would set you guys aside from from a little a lot of places because yet, like you said, you look at your your ampalas and you look at the price point, but they hold up extremely well, and you're getting look at all the feedback you're getting. And like you said, like a lot of people test arrows, broadheads, and stuff like that always on hogs. It's always like I if it if it can go through a hog and it can hold up on a hog, these are very good quality arrows or broadhead or or or whatever you're you're you're testing. So that is a that is a testament of you know what you guys got there. I I I love it all. Um, you know, it's cool. I'm gonna be using, you know, I've been using the I moved to the the the four millimeter three years ago. I don't plan on you know moving away from them. I got those, I got 12, I got a dozen upstairs right now, and then I believe because I'm running two bows this year, I got my Hoyt and I got my Matthews, I am running the five millimeter. Um, I think I went with the Nondos. Um and I I you know I've yet again another great arrow. Um, it it you could go by and look at all these arrows, and I I wish Zach was here on right now because I'm pretty sure Zach has bought every single one.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

I think he has every week. I'm like, dude, another one.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Yeah, he's he's constantly testing them, and which is great. I it makes it also a lot easier on us because, like, all right, this is this is what this one has, and like you know, this is my specs, this is what I did with this arrow, this is what I did with this is how it's shooting. Like, okay, cool. Well, obviously, I'm sticking with any otherties, but I need I wanted a different arrow because I wanted to try a different arrow. The the two different bows are gonna have two different arrows, you know what I mean. So I was like, all right, you know, these these are the ones that would I'm gonna go with. I think um Connor went with the I think Connor went with the uh limited edition final draw arrows. What'd you go with?

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Um with the I correct me if I'm wrong saying this. I went with the Mbu Boos, I think they're called MV Boo, yep.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Which I do love those. I I was I'm I was really close to getting those too. Um, yet again, I love and like you said, all these arrows, they just look so sexy, they really do. I'm a big I love arrows, I love the customization of them. Like that is a huge piece. Like, obviously, they need to hold up, they need to perform and everything like that. But you love a good, sexy custom arrow, and all these things they look good, you know. I mean, you gotta look good to feel good to kill good, like you know, it's it's all it's all gotta be in there. Um but what was so so when you guys created this and everything, what was the first arrow that you guys worked on? How long did it take to get that arrow to where you guys wanted to be before you guys pushed it, pushed it out?

SPEAKER_00 34:05

So the conversation started in October of 21. Uh, got some bear shafts of the Mbuboo in February of 22. Uh, and then we worked on that one, knowing that we had the centrifugal and a five mil, and then wanted to work it into a four mil and a six mil. Because originally that was going to be the three arrows that kind of like what we launched in a sense. Um, and through conversation, you know, and figuring out price point, figuring out, you know, okay, everybody's not a weave person. Uh, you know, some people still like a standard carbon arrow, uh, you know, even if it's a uh, you know, like a 40-ton high module carbon arrow like the Nondo or like the Inyati. Um and so we kind of backfilled a little bit off of that, and we got samples of everything in September of 2023. Uh, and so we kind of pushed some out to some guys that and and ladies that we had like kind of in our our circle of hey, take take six of these and go hunt with them and give give me feedback. Like, let me know what you think about components, let me know if they're you know, you're having any issues with the arrows, nothing like that. And I want to say, like, the 15, 20 people that we sent out, like we got all positive feedback. So we went ahead and did kind of finalize everything and launched to the public in March of 24. So it was about a two and a half year process of of getting everything done. The luck that I had with all that is, you know, the individual or the my designer, you know, he had done this for you know 20 plus years. So he had already, you know, this wasn't like just a drawn up on a random Tuesday night of like, okay, this is what we want to do. Okay, where do we go? He already he already had all the avenues of sourcing everything, of of being able to get the samples and all that. So it kind of sped up that process. It was more of figuring out what all we wanted to offer in the lineup, uh, and and then kind of getting that solidified and then coming to market with it. I love it, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Um and it's you know, everything is you know coming to market. There's there's so many things that go behind the scenes for you guys too as well, and you know what I mean. Um, but it it's gotta feel good when yeah, it kind of gets a little easier as as you guys go on, and you know, this arrow works out, that this doesn't, that you know, and you you you continue to to to make these arrows. And I know you guys also do have a a crossbow um arrow too. Is there what is the you know, for for you and you know, maybe for us out there, like is it is a little more difficult or a little easier to come out with like a crossbow, a crossbow bolt or something like that. Like what are kind of like what people look for with with

Crossbow Bolts And Future Heavy Arrows

SPEAKER_03 36:59

that?

SPEAKER_00 36:59

You know, the the crossbow game has evolved tremendously over the last five or six years. Um, you know, uh now you're getting into companies that are actually like patenting uh their knocking system and having their own bolts. So it's kind of eliminating a little bit of the aftermath, if you will. Um so you know, the crossbow bolt wasn't something that we tried to push super hard and heavy. It was more of like a necessity, uh, because I would get the, you know, the dad that would call and want to order arrows, and then, you know, he wants to take his kiddos with him, but they're not drawing a compound back. But he does have, you know, uh an older crossbow or even some of the new ones, the the lower end ones that will shoot our bolts. Um, but as far as like the manufacturing aspect of it, um, you know, it's just a it's a thick walled standard diameter, um, you know, a little bit fatter than a standard diameter uh carbon arrow. Uh it's just cut down to 22 inches. So I mean you're talking about, you know, the spine ratings probably somewhere in like the 100, 120 range, uh, you know, and then beefing it up with a brass insert, having some good veins on the end. And, you know, it's uh, you know, my buddy up in Oklahoma uh killed two deer over 170 last year with them. Uh and he was like, these fly great, these perform great. I'm like, yeah, awesome. You know, I'm I'm glad you trusted us with them. Yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, that's good. No, no, no. I was gonna say it that that was that that and like the target arrows um were kind of like a uh a necessity in a sense to kind of complete, you know, we we were we were 90%, if you will. Uh but now having the the 23s and 27s and crossbow bolts, I've I've pretty much hit all of the market. Um the only thing that I don't have is like a super, super heavy arrow. You know, the Mbubu is our heaviest arrow. Uh so kind of toying around with, you know, coming out with something more evolved towards like a true dangerous game arrow, you know, something that's gonna be in that 15 to 17 GPI, because I think our booboo gets up to like 12.2. Uh so just having the capability of getting up in that 750 to 800 grain range, you know, for the K Buffalo, the hippo, the Crocs, you know, what these pHs are requiring for dangerous game. Um, not so much anything that we would really find here on the North American continent, but like being able to go into the African side.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

So no, that that which is crazy. Yet again, I mean, as a company-wise, you you these are things that you do have to think of because you know, your everyday hunter, yeah. You know, uh on North America, you're you're not gonna be heading out and and hunting animals like you know, hippos or you know, crocodiles or or or or anything, those things, you know, you could be like Zach who goes out and you know takes a you know takes a bison and everything like that. You know, you know what I mean, but for for the most part, yeah, that that's not gonna happen, but you gotta also give the give those options and build something for that because you know what? There is, of course, a niche of people who do like to travel to to Africa and and hunt these animals and and things like that, which you know I mean, once someone's calling or someone's looking, you know, I imagine once somebody one time says, Hey, do you guys have this? And you don't, you're like, Hey, you know, whoever you got to, you know, you this is something that we need to make. You know, you know what I mean, or you know, once your customers are already coming and you know, they're deer hunters, and the one year they they book a trip to Africa, and they're you know, they call you up, bell, and they're like, Hey, you know what? I need something that I could take out. I want to take your arrows out there because it's what I use. I need something out in Africa, and now you're like, Okay, hey, team, this is now our next step, and this is what we we gotta work out. And and it, you know, that that's you know how all these things come come to fruition and and and everything like that. And it's uh it's it's an interesting process to to see and to listen.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

It is, you know, learning so much about the back end of the business, you know, we're all bow hunters on the front end, but learning the back end to where kind of catering to the masses, uh, that has been that has been a huge learning curve because you know, up until really, you know, getting involved heavy with this company, you know, if if if I ordered arrows or I got sent arrows, you know, I knew they were in my spine. Uh I knew what length I needed to cut them. So they were, you know, they were they were cut, inserts were put in, field points were put on, they were fletched, and then they were shot. And that was about it. If one of them flew a little funny, it became a practice arrow. Uh, you know, if it hit a little bit to the right, you know, and you know, I never weighed them, I never spun them, you know, it was just kind of like, okay, this is what it is. And so now I have, you know, have this wide range of of bow hunters. You know, I have the guys that'll be like, I don't care what it says, I don't care what color it is, I want it to be, you know, I want it to kill something. Okay, cool, I got you. And then I have the guys that are like meticulous, you know, I want them to all weigh within, you know, point, you know, one tenth of a grain of each other. It's like, all right, we'll we'll make it work, we'll figure it out. So uh, you know, huge spectrum of of people to kind of cater to, but I have yet to have any any negative feedback um outside of the performance of them. Um, and that that has been really cool. Um, it's been really awesome to see, like even this past weekend in Oklahoma, you know, that was at the Broken Bow Tac. There were people that I had no knowledge of who they were that had purchased our arrows either through friends or through different dealers or something like that. They were coming by and be like, oh my God, I've been I shot y'all's arrows all last year. Let me show you this buck I killed. And dude, you talk about getting goosebumps. Like, it's like there's there was not a bad story that I heard, and there was not a story that just didn't get me kind of like giddy inside of like, man, that's so awesome. That you know, that that's my product, you know, that's kind of cool. And all these people have been successful with it and like and love it and uh continue to trust, you know, what we're putting out uh to put in their quiver because you know, at at that full draw moment, you know, you've got to trust all your equipment, and having that trust is means the world to me. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

It's crazy enough. Like I I look at so you know, the let all the deer that I killed, I broke two arrows this year, and it had nothing to do with the arrow. It was all up close shots, like my buck, or the doe I shot, and I I'll still never and I have it on film and everything like that, hit her, and when she fell, the arrow went through her, but she fell on top of the arrow. And that's how my arrow finally broke. You know what I mean? And that happened twice this year with with the doe and the buck within there were You know, quartering quartering away shots, you know, the the arrow goes through and when they fall, I mean, listen, there's there isn't anything, you know, you can you can do about that, right? But when it goes through, hits shoulder, goes through and bury like I've had these things bury in the opposite shoulder, and you know, other arrows have have broken like that, you know what I mean. Um I'm still pulling usually I'm pulling it out like you know, the the one dough out like, oh my god, this thing is this thing's stuck in there and everything like that. But it like that's that's the only thing this year out of the years, and it's like, well, it doesn't really matter what you could be using, you know, this oh my god, arrow that you think is a thousand dollars. And listen, if you shoot it and it goes through in the deer or bear or whatever falls on it, the arrow's gonna break no matter what. It doesn't matter, you know what I mean. So I I always tell like I've been uh yeah, you you tell Frank, like I was I was so happy when you know when we got this all done with you guys and everything like that. And like I I've been talking about these arrow, you know, these arrows for the last three years, yeah. Um and it it's a product, and and why, like, you know, and I tell everyone, like, hey, listen, like if we're using the product, let's because we believe in it, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna use something I don't believe in, and it's once we start using it, it's almost it's very hard to get us off of off of it. So pretty much keep using it and using

Picking Arrows For Speed Or Weight

SPEAKER_03 45:33

and using it. But arrows are I don't know, love, love, love them. What is what what are you running, you know, for for your setups and everything?

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Yeah, which were you running? So last year, uh I ran the N Yatis. Um, I'd never shot a four mil. Uh, so I I built me a dozen and I was like, this is what I'm gonna hunt with. And I had the best season of my life. Um, I killed seven deer, uh, six bucks in three states. Um, it was insane. Um, had really good performance out of them. I think out of the I I shot eight animals uh and I broke three. Uh one was on a big pig. Um, I stuck him, and I was he was so close when I passed through my arrow buried in the ground, and when he spun, it broke off. So I didn't give him a chance to go all the way through him. Um, one of the bucks I shot, uh, kind of a hard quartering away shot, and I hit right in the knuckle of the shoulder. Um, and it came through almost to the fletching before he kicked his leg. And when he kicked his leg, it snapped. Uh, and then the other one, kind of what you're talking about. Um, I shot a uh a doe quartering, or she was completely broadside, and it hit the back of her scapula, uh, slowed it down just enough to where when she spun, she fell and she snapped right at the knock end and then got up and ran about 30 yards and then fell over. Um, but those are the three that I broke. All the rest of them, you know, passed through. I shot two bucks with the same arrow and still have it. It's kind of a special arrow. I I killed my fifth buck on the anniversary date of my one of my best friends that got killed in the line of duty. Uh, so I I I had his initials written on my fletching or his uh badge number on my fletching. So it was it was it was really cool um to to get that buck with that arrow. And so that one, that one definitely got retired. Uh it's hanging, it's hanging with that skull. So uh, but yeah, I ran the inyatis last year. Um this year I'm gonna be running the inboo-boos. Um I uh I I just I I like a little bit of a heavier arrow. Um, I'm a five mil guy. Uh I I I kind of I kind of ran the inyatis and because I I wanted to be able to say that I have field tested and killed something with everything that I have in my lineup. Uh the only one that I have not killed anything with or killed any animals with is my end lobu, which is the uh 246 and the 1k weave. I just haven't built them. Um, you know, going from a five, a four mil and a five mil back up to a six. I feel like I'm shooting uh, you know, a boom handle. This thing looks like it's so huge. Um but uh I have I have several guys that shoot them. Uh have some guys up in Utah that swear by them. Uh they killed several mule deer and elk last year with them. Got a got a guy in Missouri that's killed several, I think he killed two bears last year and four or five deer. Uh he loves them. He shoots them for his uh indoor leaks too. Uh and so he swears by them. I just I just haven't built them. Every other arrow that we offer, I've killed something with.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Um so eventually you'll you'll get there and and everything like that. I yeah, I imagine, you know, yeah, going from a four, like if you yeah, if you're like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna do it this year, you know, going from a four to a six, like, yeah, oh man, what it's like wouldn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

That would that be toothpick to a number two pencil, man. Like it's such a weird difference.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

So yeah, I I'm I'm stuck on the fours right now. I mean, obviously, I I I also have the fives now as as well, but yeah, I I got the fours and like never shot fours before, you know, like it, like you know, we're saying, and yeah, I just fell in love with them. Where now it's like, all right, like I always want it in my quiver, at least, you know, in my in my main main hunting bow that I use, like that's that's what I want to run, you know. And you know, we pair our stuff, every everything with you know, several broadheads and everything like that. So like it's just the combo that that we love running. But um, you know, you it for for the people that are listening or you know, people that are that are you know, they may have some questions, like obviously if you're like a a mid-level guy where you don't want to spend, oh my god, but you you want to spend more than than the minimum, you know, and maybe somebody who's looking for more speed um than anything. Like what are you recommending from from your lineup?

SPEAKER_00 49:56

You know, um my first question to them would be what diameter they want to run. Um, and if if if they want to run like a five mil, uh they want to get into that that first level of micro, uh, the retell. Um, it's a great price point arrow. It retails for like $150 a dozen, uh, 100% carbon, strong as heck. I actually killed my buffalo, my American bison with one of them. Uh, I've killed several pigs with them. Uh, they're an extremely tough arrow. They're a little on the heavier side from someone looking to gain speed. Um, you know, kind of, but again, you know, it kind of goes back to that price point that people want to want to be in. Um, if they want to shoot something a little bit lighter uh and don't mind going into a standard diameter, the the Impala, uh, you know, coming in that that mid-8s on a 300 spine is going to give them, you know, that total build out of around, you know, say 440 to 460. So if they're shooting, you know, anything north of 70, uh, they're still gonna be hitting incredible speeds. It's just a standard diameter arrow. Um, so it kind of depends on what what their what their range is. But those are the two that I would recommend from like price point. You're talking 85 bucks a dozen to 150 bucks a dozen. Uh, and then if they want to upgrade from there, they can get into the Mbuo Boo. I think it's right at like 200 a dozen. Um, and then going into the Nondo and then Goolaby. Now that's gonna be my two arrows that I would recommend for like someone, uh, you know, the Nondo, if somebody is truly looking for speed, I mean, you're talking about a 300 spine arrow that comes in at 7.2 grains per inch. I mean, it's screaming, smoking fast. Uh, you know, it's and then if they want the four mil going within Yadis, um, you know, uh a 7.8 grains an inch on a 300 spine, uh, you know, in a four mil is is smoking. Um, I had a guy from this weekend bought some 350 spine uh for his setup. I think he's 68 pounds, like 27-inch draw, um, something around there. And he built the Inyatis out. Um, and he sent me a text earlier, he was getting 314 feet per second out of them um and just screaming fast. Um so I told him, I was like, good for you. You only have one pin out to 40. So uh, you know, you ain't gonna miss. So uh but you know, our our lineup goes 85 to 250, roughly, um, 244.99, uh, eight different arrows, you know, it all different GPIs, um, and can pretty much match somebody with whatever their their their goal is, their accomplishment of what they want to get out of that dozen arrows. Um, you know, uh from an all-around aspect to uh a true tax setup to uh to a true like, hey, I'm just gonna hunt whitales, um, to hey, I'm going after big game, whatever the case may be. You know, we can pretty much accommodate anybody and and and and make it work to where it's not gonna break the bank, uh, and then also where they'll be completely satisfied with the product that they purchased.

SPEAKER_03 52:59

Yeah, love, love that. I know Frank, you're more of a heavy arrow guy versus me. Um I'm I'm more I'm more dial for that for that speed and everything like that. Um it's you know, it I like it still to obviously pack a punch and everything like that, but you know, love love that love that speed. Um, you know, so there it's great. And you know, like I said, you got the lineup where you can mix, match, and go all different ways and and different different avenues and everything like that. Like, how long did it take you to get your setup kind of like where it is? Like, you know, obviously you've been doing this for years and years, you've been bow hunting since since 12 and everything like that, you know. But you know, the the trial and error for for yourself personally for for your arrows, and you know, yet again, that would be going from aluminums to yeah what you have now, like that you got to test everything and kind and move into that direction.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

You know, I I went I hunted with the Nondos in 24. Um, and that was a a relatively light. I built the 250 spine. I want to say I came in somewhere in that like 460, 470 range, uh, you know, on the 250 spine with my draw weight and draw length. Um loved them. Uh they they performed great. I only killed one deer um with them. Uh I didn't have any opportunities, any pigs or any does. I shot a pretty decent eight point up in Oklahoma. Um, and then when I wanted to switch over to the four mils, you know, I knew I was gonna have to retune my bow uh and kind of get everything set up. So when I got my RX9 in, um, you know, I I just took, I knew what length I needed them cut. Um I knew, you know, that my arrows were kind of pre-built in a sense of what I needed. Uh, it was just making sure they were gonna tune. We didn't know if we needed to play with like a hundred grain head or 125, depending on, you know, how they how they tuned out. And uh man, it wasn't long. It it only took about, I'm gonna say less than 30 minutes once we got the bow rigged uh and got everything kind of centered and paper tuned and and dialed in, uh, going from 20 to out to 60, about 30 minutes. Um, and just just fine-tuning at that point, you know, adjusting micro adjustments on on my site, you know, to kind of zero that 60-yard pin in, and then you know, obviously, you know, getting it zeroed at 60 just made 20 that much bigger and that much tighter. So um it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 55:23

I I love that like that's one of my favorite things. It's like, yeah, when when you're at 60 and you're zeroing at 60, and then you you come back to like yeah, you know, especially for us here in Jersey. I you know I don't know what it kind of looks like for you in Texas, but a lot of the areas, you know, especially where Frank is, or like if I'm up in West Jersey, like it's in tight, like 20, you get a lot of 20-yard shots, and and closer than that, some a lot of swamps and and and stuff like that, thick, nasty stuff. So, like yeah, it's great shooting up to 60. It's great having that pin, you know what I mean. But you know, in those certain situations, it's like, oh man, like yeah, when you're it's like shooting a beach ball at 20 when you're practicing at 60, zeroing it at 60. And everything. I I love it. It's one of my I feel like I feel like one of the best shooters when I'm when I'm when I practice out far, like I'll be at 80 sometimes, and I'll I'll try it, I'll try it at 100. I'm like, all right, I'm not that good. Let me go back to 20. I'm like, oh wow, look at how easy this is.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

This is this is no joke. We're we're kind of the same way. Uh, you know, most of our setups that I hunted, you know, last year, outside of Missouri, you know, I shot my buck in Missouri at 38 yards, which was my furthest shot. Um it's kind of outside of that, I mean, my all the deer, the other five bucks I killed were all less than 25 yards. Um, my closest one was nine. Uh my buck in Oklahoma, I shot at nine yards out of a ground line. Um, and so I'm I'm in the same category as you guys, like with setups. Um, you know, there's there's uh several setups that that I could potentially shoot that far if I needed to, but try and, you know, manipulate, you know, either the trail or if we're hunting over any kind of bait uh to have it at that distance that you know, that 20, 25 and in um to where we can minimize the the reaction time of the animal uh and then also maximize our practicing. You know, if we're shooting at 40, you know, every day leading up to the season, that that 18 yard shot is a chip shot, you know. Uh that's that that's that two foot putt when we've been draining 10 footers. So um, you know, uh and and I do that with you know all my buddies with my wife is you know, hey, when you when during the summer, like why you have time when it's cool and evening, stretch it out to that 70, 80, 90 yards, get comfortable shooting that and watch how much tighter your 20 yard groups get. Uh, you know, and and still do that to this day, um, warming up, getting ready for the season. Uh, we do that. It's one of the things I love about the TAC events, man, is you know, it's gonna, it's gonna test that, you know, that's great. You're you're zoned in at 20, but what about that 85 yard shot through trees across water and all that stuff? You know, they they do an incredible job of setting up those courses to to test that that you know your abilities behind

Practice Habits That Translate To Hunting

SPEAKER_00 58:05

the bow.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

So yeah, I I I love that, you know, I and I always tell everyone and my how my like, you know, obviously, you know, you're you're staying in shape, you know. I you know, most people, not everyone, you don't have to, you know. I I I do listen, I don't like being out of shape during to start, you know, from September to to November because I'm out of hiking, you know, and and everything I'm doing. And then when it comes to dragging deer out or or bear out or something like that, like being out of shape is the worst thing you can you could possibly do. You know what I mean? But it it also helps with the with your shooting too, you know. And I'll I'll start, you know, probably once turkey season's done here is when you know it's all right, now it's time to hit the range at least three times a week. And then as we get closer, it goes a four times a week, five times a week, you know what I mean? And but you start like, you know, your first you know, couple, you know, two weeks. Yeah, I'll start at 20, right? But then after that, and what the closer we get, I won't shoot 20 until my last, like maybe shot. Maybe I'll do a shot at 20 at the end of my my session, or maybe I'll take like two or three at at 20 at the end of the session, but always starts usually at like minimum 40. Yep, usually 60. I like to start at I'll shoot at 60 for a while. Maybe I'll stretch it to 70, 80, and then you finish with a 20. And like like I was saying earlier, it's like, oh wow, you are the best shot when you when you've been doing that the whole entire session, and you just go to shoot one. And you know, I mean, like it's I I have we have a buddy, American Mike, you know, he he was you know, he was practicing one summer always out of far range, always, but never shooting at 20. And the one deer he shot at in the open day, he goes, I shot right over it. He goes, I shot right over it, and bounced to like 37, 40 yards, and he goes, I got another shot and I smoked it. He was he was like so. You definitely have to shoot, yes, practice further, but don't forget to to shoot at least once or twice at 20 yards.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

Yeah, I I kind of do a little bit of the same. Um, you know, as season winds down, you know, there's there's some days that I'll get out there and I'll shoot, you know, 20, 30 arrows. But one of the things that I like to do is kind of when my day's ending, you know, I'm already a little bit fatigued. Uh maybe it's right after I hit the gym, um, is I have targets at 60, 30, and 20 in my backyard. And I'll do one arrow, uh, one arrow at 60, one arrow at 30, one arrow at 20. And if all three hit where I'm I'm done, uh, I call it good. Uh, but I do one arrow and then that way it makes me, you know, I don't, I can't make that shot back up. Uh, I have to go through my entire shot process to make sure that you know everything's zoned in and dialed in and then do that, you know, three or four times, you know, leading up to like whatever hunt I'm going to. So I know that I I feel that confidence of knowing, hey, I got one shot at you know this distance and I know I can hit it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:00

Yeah, no, I it's perfectly sad. And I I think that that's a smart like you know, for you know, yeah, right, especially in August. I'll I'll go out and I'll I'll start my morning before I work, you know, usually before I work out cold and I'll shoot one arrow. That's it. Yeah, that's how I'll start my day, and it better be a good shot. You know, usually usually usually it's a battery. I'm like, oh crap, let me go grab that arrow, let me let me do it again. But it's not realistic, like yet again, like when once you get into that tree and stuff like that, or you're in the blind or whatever, you're not going to you're not warmed up, you're not gonna, you know, you you could be sitting for hours and hours until you know you you get a shot opportunity. So taking shots cold, yeah, you gotta do honestly. I don't I don't stretch before you know I shoot, like just do the one arrow. When I do a lot, yes, I'll stretch, but because you know when I'm in that that saddle, I'm in some awkward positions, and your your body's gonna get sh sore, your back's gonna get sore. Like you, you know, you have to be prepared to have those situations. Yet again, why attack is so important and why so many people love doing it, you know what I mean? Um it gets you prepared, it gets you ready for that real world sim simulation for for hunting. So um, yeah, the the preparation is key, knowing your arrows are key, knowing everything is key, but getting it done also in the system, you know, um for for us here. Good thing we don't switch our stuff very often. You know what I mean? I I know Frank switched over to to to to you guys and everything like this this year. We had two guys switch over.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

Yeah, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

You know what I mean? So that's gonna that's gonna be the trial of okay, like June starts hitting. Hey, now we now I really gotta start shooting and everything like that. Get the broad head to do everything like that. If you're someone like me who does I don't have to do any of that, you know, I I know what what I what I got, you know, unless I buy a brand new boat. But for anyone listening, it's the same thing. If you switch it, you know, it doesn't matter who you use, you switch broadheads. If you get a saddle or you're you're you know you're new to tree stands or black ground blind or whatever it is, you want to get comfortable now doing it before you you head out to the woods.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

Absolutely. Practice like you play.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

Yeah, yeah, no, practice like you play. But but we're we're we're almost at the at the

Dream Hunts Community And Final Plug

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

end here. You know, I I got uh a one I I ask everybody, um, you know, you have two weeks, money's not an option, doesn't matter where it is, you know, it it's two weeks. What is your dream animal and where?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:52

That's a loaded question. Uh I would say if I had two weeks, money completely no option. Uh I'm hitting somewhere mid-September for bugling elk. Um, elk is on my list. And you know, ever since I was a kid watching, you know, those those monster buck videos when they'd have that one or two hunts mixed in there, uh elk is elk is on my list. You know, whitell is obviously my my main priority, you know. That's that's where my bread and butter, but two weeks, money, no option, go anywhere. Yeah, I'm going somewhere with some some big bullsby going.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

Yeah, I I love that's usually what most people say is is is is um quick quick question because it just popped up in my head. Are you someone do you are you you know from from yourself and from the team and and you know, maybe from you know their everyone who reaches out to you? Do you kind of know like all the animals your you know your arrows have been sent through it and killed? Like, do you yeah, yeah, you do what what are some well you know are what is what is still missing that you can't wait for you finally get like a a DM or a text or a call or or whatever it is?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Um man that I I've had I couldn't tell you honestly because I've had mule deer, I've had elk. Um, I think caribou is one missing. Uh I've had grizzly. Um, okay. I wasn't had yeah, had it had a guy in Russia kill a big grizzly over there, one of those big giants. That's cool. Yeah, uh y'all that picture will be posted here pretty soon. I just got him today. I love it. So I love it. He shot it with the amphizi, um, said it performed phenomenal, got a pass-through on it. So uh yeah, big old giant brown bear. Um, I've had I've had Cape Buffalo. Um, had a gentleman uh go and kill Cape about a month ago in South Africa. Um Man, I, you know, wild, crazy. I would say maybe like crocodile or alligator. I don't think I've had any of those yet. Uh, ton of pigs, ton of whitetail, Avalina. Um I would say like some of like the more exotic things. Uh, you know, the some of like the higher end, if you will, exotics on Africa. Um, you know, giraffe, hippo, uh, stuff like that, that's not so commonly bow hunted. But other than that, I think I've pretty much covered all the bases on them. Um but that being said, I still get excited when I have the first time buyer call and tell me that they smoked the dough, all the way up to, you know, the guy that killed a 196 inch deer last year in Missouri, you know, with it. Um, all the stories in between that, man. I, you know, I love seeing them. I love hearing about them. You know, and and shameless plug here. The phone number on the website goes to my cell phone. I answer it. Um, the email address on the website goes to my email address. I respond to them. Um, I would much rather spend an hour on the phone with you and let's change some hunt, let's exchange some hunting stories before, let's let's build a relationship before you ever spend a dollar. Um, I'm all about the community. Um, I want, I want to know, and I know this is almost impossible, but I want to know each and every person that has, you know, utilized my arrows. I want to know what they what their experience was with them. I want to know what they were able to, you know, take with them. Uh, and I want to know what their next animal is. Uh, and I I try and do that. Um, you know, my guys that were with me this past weekend in Oklahoma were kind of laughing is because I mean, I'd have people come up, you know, and it it was a business transaction to begin with, but then I'm gonna start picking your brain, like, hey, what do you plan on hunting? You know, tell me what you got scheduled for this year, what'd you do last year? And, you know, I'm spending 20, 30 minutes talking to each and every person. I I I want them to know how I would feel, like if I'm going to purchase something from a company. If if I got to like truly talk to someone that's invested in that company, much less the owner, uh, and and they showed an interest in what I had going on, then they bought a customer for life. And that's what I want. Um, you know, I want this community to to know that they can reach out to me at any point in time and let's let's exchange some hunting stories. Heck, let's share hunt camp somewhere. Um, let's let's go take some game together. You know, I don't care if it's Havelina in South Texas or Bear up in Jersey, wink wink. Uh, you know, so yeah, let's let's let's exchange, let's spend some time in camp together. Let's exchange some hunting stories, let's let's grow it as far as God will let me to grow it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

So a hundred percent. Yeah, can I can I've said it better? Yeah, and that and that's you know, that's part of also like what we love doing too. You know, it's you know, we're we love that whole family and and tight knit, you know, everyone, you know, for boondocks, you know, we're we're all you know family, and you know, we're always on the phone with each other, talking to each other. Um, you know, and and some of the stuff is personal, and you know what I mean, like if someone's having a bad day or you know, something you know terrible happened and stuff like that, we're we're there for each other. So it's not just it's not just hunting stuff and everything like that. But then when you we get into the to the hunting stuff or the shows that we do and everything like that, you know, we talk, you know, hey, listen, you you you want to come out and hunt, you know, we'll go take you out on a hunt. You know, we we host a a wild game dinner here in Jersey, you know, that we've been growing and everything like that. And like if you want to come, like, hey, come. Like it is a very well family-oriented, we'll we'll sit there, we'll talk to you, you know. If you I always tell people, you know, people hit me up like, oh, like what does it take to come on the podcast? You just don't have to be a poacher. That's my only rule. Just just don't be a poacher, you know what I mean? It's a pretty simple thing. Like, I don't care if you know you yeah, you maybe have even shot a deer yet, you know what I mean? Because you know what? That's still very knowledgeable advice that you could be giving to somebody out there, you know what I mean? Or you could be asking us, you know what I mean, and you could find something from from just our conversation doing on the podcast where maybe you you pick up something and and you learn something, you know what I mean, and that will help you help you moving forward. Like, I don't I don't care, like, yeah, you know what, and and if you shoot a 160, 190, or 200 in here, cool. If you want to come on, that that's great, you know what I mean. But honestly, I'll tell you, some of our most popular episodes are with uh uh you know more of a Joe Schmo who doesn't have 50,000 Instagram followers that maybe has a couple hundred Instagram followers, you know what I mean? So I I I generally don't care. This is about family, it's about unity, it's about growing the outdoors and and everything like that. Um, so yeah, we we we love it. Yes, bear bear camp is is gonna be on a full butt. We do it every single we do it every single year. This is this is our thing, you know what I mean, to to do and and everything like that. So we'll we'll we'll definitely be looking forward out. I know what one more, one more. You gotta be happy with with the with your stars over there.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

Oh man, we play tonight too. So yeah, uh, I am. I that uh the game, you know, after the first game, I was kind of like, oh, here we go, and uh we'll see what tonight does. So hopefully, you know, our first game uh up in their home turf, can we can we can lay it on them?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

So yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing nothing like uh playoff hockey out. Oh, dude. Definitely say that love it. Yeah, um, but listen, Bo, it was great getting you on. We we really appreciate it. We love your arrows, you know. Everyone, you know, if you have not checked out his arrows, make sure you go check them out. There's gonna be a link in the description below. Go check out Kool-Aid Arrows. Um, Bo, he he even on his his personal Instagram too, like he says, he's always answering and everything like that. I reached out to through him over there and everything like that. We emailed back and forth. We hopped on a phone call before we really even knew each other and everything like that. Um, he he really does mean it. He he gets back to you, he and and everything like that. We cannot wait to see what what comes in in the future and everything like that. We're really excited uh to be a part of this, and and you know, we're we're ecstatic. And also, anyone looking for arrows to be uh made for you guys, our boy Zach, Echoes of the Hunt, he also is is building arrows and everything like that, building them like crazy. He has a lot of good preset ones that that already has done too, like that. I think he has that retro 70s one that that that I like a lot. Um, he has that and and everything like that. And if you got any questions for him, reach out, reach out to him. Bo, any last words?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:48

Thank you guys for being a part of this and uh thoroughly enjoyed this man.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:53

No, we we we love it, we appreciate it. Thank you for and we'll we'll definitely get you back on that that's without a doubt. Yep, we'll we'll you know we'll we'll do a lot of planning and everything like that. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

Yep, I can't wait to shoot them, Bo. And now that I know that that actually goes to your cell phone, first the first dough I smoke, I'm gonna be calling you. Heck yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:15

Yeah, I'm all about it, man. I love I love I love being able to experience the that recovery and the that joy of that hunt. So absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:24

So all right, everyone. We hope you guys enjoyed this episode, and we'll see you guys next time.